RE: Re: Dr Skinner's GMC meeting

[Guest guest]

Youre behind the times Sian, he received another letter today to appear before them as another doctor has now complained that he is treating patients with thyroxin who are within the normal range.    The very thing they let him off for yesterday.   GMC seems to have serious loss of short term memory.    

LilianOn 23 February 2012 14:06, sebrown@... <sebrown@...> wrote:

 

I am glad it went well for him.

I wish they would leave him alone!!!

Sian

[Guest guest]

They have no intention of doing that Sian - they are on a

definite campaign now to wear him down. The GMC are likely to be sending him

another letter next week, and the week after, or perhaps two the week after

that telling him that yet more GP's have sent in complaints that their patient

went to see him and he started them on thyroid hormone replacement when their

blood tests were within the normal range. I think this will now escalate. The

GMC are doing nothing to stop these doctors from sending in complaints.

Every country appears to have different reference ranges for

TSH(which is what I assume they are talking about) from the USA range of 0.3 to

3.0 - from Germany, Belgium, Sweden and other European countries of 0.3 to 2.5

(with a recommendation from Belgium the upper level be brought down to 1.5 and

the different ranges in the UK of 0.5 to 5.6 - or the RCP/BTA range of 0.5 to

10.0. Nobody can agree what a normal reference range should be.

Luv - Sheila

I am glad it went well for him.

I wish they would leave him alone!!!

Sian

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[Guest guest]

Is there a body who watches how public money is spent?   Perhaps a complaint to them about how the GMC keeps on doing the same old same old, with our money.Lilian

They have no intention of doing that Sian - they are on a

definite campaign now to wear him down. The GMC are likely to be sending him

another letter next week, and the week after, or perhaps two the week after

that telling him that yet more GP's have sent in complaints that their patient

went to see him and he started them on thyroid hormone replacement when their

blood tests were within the normal range. I think this will now escalate. The

GMC are doing nothing to stop these doctors from sending in complaints.

[Guest guest]

I am already on to a freelance scientific journalist who is very

interested in this story, but we cannot do much this week because I can't get

into my office and he has another urgent project this week. It will happen.

Luv - Sheila

I suspect that, under their constitution, the

GMC have no choice but to tell Dr S there has been another complaint. However,

it is within their powers to dismiss the new, and any future, complaint on the

same ground as being vexatious and this is what they ought to do otherwise they

stand accused of participating in a campaign against Dr S. I would have thought

it possible to drum up some interest from the newspapers over this campaign

especially if the GMC is seen not to be playing fair.

TC

[Guest guest]

Hi

But

they will still have to reckon with TPA - and TPA will be here to do

whatever is possible to help and support our members all our members . Sad, but

because of the parlous state of affairs within the NHS most are left with no

option other than to go down the self treatment route if they are ever to

regain their health, and TPA will encourage this at all times. Leaving members

without the help and support they need and without the necessary information they

need to lead them down this road safely, is irresponsible. Most members have

been totally failed by their NHS GP or endocrinologist. I guess we have no

choice but to carry on doing this because it is doubtful that things are going

to change in the near future. As you say, once Dr Skinner and Dr

Peatfield are no longer around, good thyroid support groups will be needed, as

more and more people will be joining them, simply because there will be nowhere

else for them to go. Most are being left without any other option but to go

down the self treatment route, and we have to help them to do this, otherwise,

without this, they are left with nothing, and will continue to remain suffering

the symptoms. Doing this through organisations such as TPA will help them to do

this safely and effectively and that can bring nothing but good.

Dr Peatfield feels passionate

about the subject of self treatment. So much so that he is waiting for his

latest book to be published, and this is ALL ABOUT SELF TREATMENT for thyroid

and associated conditions and he goes into this in detail. He says that this

book will be his legacy to those suffering with thyroid and associated

conditions. On our web site, he wrote

" This

topic has been raised on some Internet Thyroid forums recently, and provoked

alarms and anxieties which are inappropriate and unnecessary. Because the

diagnosis and treatment of thyroid and adrenal disorder is so badly managed by

doctors and endocrinologists, web sites, like ours, are there to help people out

of the morass; and by providing information and guidance help them to diagnose

and treat themselves. This is the whole basis of the many, many support groups

throughout the world; since to seek medical advice may be to have the diagnosis

denied, and treatment given, to be either wrong or inadequate. The fact is that

in seeking knowledge about their illness, people are perfectly able to think

for themselves, and to make decisions about their treatment. The immense amount

of self help medication available in chemists and supermarkets means that

people can be left, perfectly safely, to work things out. To suggest that they

can't, and that it's too dangerous, is quite insulting. With any medication,

there are inevitably some risks, but they are vanishingly small with thyroid

and adrenals, and people can learn a great deal from the patient information leaflets.

With thyroid, the dose is worked up gradually, whilst monitoring how one feels,

and checking temperature and pulse. If the dosage is too much (or too little)

the patient becomes quickly aware of it and can act accordingly. Seeking out

the advice of a doctor, who may have denied the diagnosis, or given wrong or

insufficient treatment, is not going to help, and could be harmful. The problem

of rapid pulse rate, irregular pulse, or Atrial fibrillation DOES occur but it

is very rare, and though it may be uncomfortable, certainly doesn't warrant the

charges loudly proclaimed in some quarters, partially by doctors who should

know better. We know of no fatality. Usually people take the common sense

approach and stop medicating for a few days, restarting at a lower dose.

Usually effective guidance can be obtained from Internet thyroid forums and

thyroid web sites. Since many doctors misdiagnose, and consequently mistreat

patients with the symptoms of hypothyroidism, the latter are left with NO

OPTION but to learn, for their own salvation, about thyroid and adrenal

problems and self medicate.

I

am particularly sad because many people have been so frightened by what they

have read that they have stopped treatment. Finding, as has been suggested, an

alternative doctor is frequently quite impossible – so people have simply

no alternative but to self medicate both natural support and prescription

medication.

To

make them feel frightened and guilty for doing so is unkind and unjust. It's

the sort of thing patients have come to expect from doctors, not those who have

dedicated themselves to helping those to educating and helping sufferers.

We

can look at some medications, in particular: the use of adrenal glandular

supplements, for example, Dr 's Adrenal Rebuilder, or Nutri's Adrenal

Glandular Support in the UK , is perfectly safe in any context. Hydrocortisone

is a bit different, of course, but few people with adrenal issues are going to

utilise more than 20 or 30mgs daily – doses which are well within the

physiological range. Prednisolone, also widely used, is limited to 5mgs or

7.5mgs daily.

Natural

desiccated thyroid is built up gradually, monitoring symptoms, temperature,

pulse, until optimum response is obtained. The patients know how they feel and

need no advice (or unnecessary blood tests) from doctors. If the optimum dose

IS exceeded – well, as I said, you, the patient, will know.

Thyroxine

is another and quite similar case in point; and the dose will be decided

perfectly safely by the patient, following a slow and careful appraisal of,

lets face it, how one feels.

Doctors

get very excited about liothyronine (T3), since it has a rapid effect in the

system. If you increase the dose, like a bull at a gate, ignoring guidelines

written everywhere, an inadvertent high level may indeed cause palpitations or,

rarely, Atrial fibrillation. So you stop it, or reduce it for a few days. No

need to panic, no alarms about heart attacks, a favourite frightener used by

doctors to bully patients into submission. Seeking the advice of a doctor, who

may have denied the diagnosis, is not going to help one bit.

Whether

doctors like it or not, or if it is disapproved of in other quarters, patients

can be left to make decisions on their own; it is not dangerous or damaging.

Promoting fear, alarm and despondency has no place in helping people to find

relief from their illness. "

Luv

- Sheila

This is all hugely depressing. If a doctor

can't treat with thyroxine when someone has numbers that are within range then

what is the chance that they'll ever begin to treat with T4/T3, natural thyroid

or god forbid T3? This country is so retrograde.

I don't know what it is going to take to change it.

When Dr. Skinner and Dr. P eventually retire of their own accord it doesn't

bode well as we'll have even fewer people to go to.

>

> You're behind the times Sian, he received another letter today to appear

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[Guest guest]

Had to giggle at that! How do our male members like being referred to as 'Skinnerettes' ?? Talk about making massive generalisations - erm, wouldn't that tie in nicely to the sexist theory?LolDawn M From: tandcpace <tandcpace@...> thyroid treatment Sent: Friday, 24

February 2012, 10:29 Subject: Re: Dr Skinner's GMC meeting

Hi Sheila

Be sure to mention that we are now labelled as Skinnerettes by the GMC!

TC

>

> I am already on to a freelance scientific journalist who is very interested

> in this story,

[Guest guest]

Personally, I am appalled and angered by this obvious sexist label. I think that in the interest of justice and human rights, the GMC should dismiss any and all complaints against Dr S and concentrate their investigations on dealing with the real problem of discrimination before they do anything else! If the GMC are going to be insulting, I demand the right to equal opportunity in being insulted. More public money must be spent on researching and testing an acceptable name for the male supporters of Dr S.

lol

From: D Mckinley <de_mckinley@...>"thyroid treatment " <thyroid treatment > Sent: Friday, 24 February 2012, 19:49Subject: Re: Re: Dr Skinner's GMC meeting

Had to giggle at that! How do our male members like being referred to as 'Skinnerettes' ?? Talk about making massive generalisations - erm, wouldn't that tie in nicely to the sexist theory?

Lol

Dawn M

From: tandcpace <tandcpace@...>thyroid treatment Sent: Friday, 24 February 2012, 10:29Subject: Re: Dr Skinner's GMC meeting

Hi SheilaBe sure to mention that we are now labelled as Skinnerettes by the GMC!TC>> I am already on to a freelance scientific journalist who is very interested> in this story,

[Guest guest]

That made me laugh Steve, but we need to get the word 'Skinner'

into the title. So far, for males, 'Skinnerites' seems to fit best.

Thanks for trying though. Any more thoughts???

Luv - Sheila

Skinheads ?

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[Guest guest]

Don't need to spend any money finding an acceptable name for the

male supporters of Dr S , how about Skinners, or Skinnerites - and

Skinnerettes for the ladies?

Luv - Sheila

If the GMC are going to be insulting, I demand the right to equal

opportunity in being insulted. More public money must be spent on researching

and testing an acceptable name for the male supporters of Dr S.

lol

Had to

giggle at that! How do our male members like being referred to as

'Skinnerettes' ?? Talk about making massive generalisations - erm, wouldn't

that tie in nicely to the sexist theory?

Lol

Dawn M

From:

tandcpace <tandcpace@...>

thyroid treatment

Sent: Friday, 24 February 2012, 10:29

Subject: Re: Dr Skinner's GMC meeting

Hi Sheila

Be sure to mention that we are now labelled as Skinnerettes by the GMC!

TC

>

> I am already on to a freelance scientific journalist who is very

interested

> in this story,

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