Guest guest Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Caroline, With a tsh of 2.4 he is hypothyroid in almost every country in the world, apart from Britain. For some odd reason we have a higher tsh threshold and when questioned about this, we are fobbed off with lies and excuses. It's down to money we think, they won't lower the threshold because then more people will need treatment. The high cholesterol is indicative of hypothyroidism and in fact used to be one of the ways that thyroid problems were diagnosed, before the tsh test. It would be worth checking his D3 levels (£20 to d it privately from the nhs lab in birmngham) because D3 is made from cholesterol. If there is low D3, the cholesterol builds up and waits for a sunny day, so it can be turned into d3. Seeing Dr Skinner would be good, but there is plenty you can do for yourself first. Try writing to the doctor listing all of the symptoms (check list in the files) thyroid treatment/files/ and request a trial of T4. and get the thyroid antibodies measured. If the doc refuses you can get tests done privately by dealing with the lab direct. (details in the files) Statins are counter indicated with hypothyroidism...... so not really a good idea...... If the doctor says his thyrois is not responsible for his symptoms, then ask what is causing them...... they are real, so what is the docs diagnosis? > > TSH 2.41 (0.35-4.94) > T4 12.9 (9-19) > > colesterol 8.5 (<4.5) - I think this was total col but not sure. > > They sent him for more blood tests and LDL came back at 5.9 (<4.8) > > He has to go back and I am expecting them to put him on statins, can any one advise? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Hi there, try not to let them give him statins, the best thing to do is go and see Dr S or Dr P.the thing is even if you don`t have autoimmune problems , you may get a down grading of all hormones with age.but his T4 is to low , it should be a lot higher. the fact he has high cholesterol is a bad sign also.you may wont to get his adrenals tested first and if you can not get a referral , self treat him. it is not that hard to do with our helpyou can get back to some normal life as what happens to you affects you and vise versa . angel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Caroline Have a look at Files in this website, " Statins..Hidden dangers " . Hans .... I am expecting them to put him on statins... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Thanks for the replys. Yes I thought the TSH was high enough I also forgot to say that over the last 5 years he has gone from being Mr Toasty to always complaining about being cold. I self treat myself so am ok with that but would like if possible to get his treatment paid for. Will look at getting some mopre tests and back to Dr's after the weekend, we're away now as I'm entering my first dog show in 20 years. Have a lovely weekend everyone. C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 It's also worth getting testosterone tested. If you Google male menopause (andropause), do the symptoms fit? Balding lower legs can be adrenal. http://www.diagnose-me.com/questionnaire/Q2651.html Maybe he has multiple deficiencies? Chris > > I have long suspected my hubby of being hypo. He is always falling asleep, puts weight on easily despite low carb diet, is lethergic, has no hair on his calves, low libido, very forgetful etc etc. > > I persuaded him to go to doctors and he got the following results Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 Caroline, high doses of the flushing Niacin (350mgs) and high doses of CoEnzymeQ10 (300mgs) are highly recommended to lower high cholesterol and these are both natural products. The non flushing Niacin is no good so don't be persuaded that it is - at least, not for the purpose of lowering high cholesterol. Flushing can be uncomfortable and comes on about half an hour after taking it, so best to take it at night just after a good meal when this helps reduce the flushing, which makes you tingle quite strongly over the whole area of your skin. It lasts for around half to three quarters of an hour. Taking an aspirin has the effect of easing it too. Luv - Sheila Thanks for the replys. Yes I thought the TSH was high enough I also forgot to say that over the last 5 years he has gone from being Mr Toasty to always complaining about being cold. I self treat myself so am ok with that but would like if possible to get his treatment paid for. Will look at getting some mopre tests and back to Dr's after the weekend, we're away now as I'm entering my first dog show in 20 years. Have a lovely weekend everyone. C No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4829 - Release Date: 02/24/12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 Hello Caroline It is likely that your hubby's high cholesterol has been caused by his low metabolism. This causes plaques to build up in the blood. Before accepting any Statin therapy however, I would highly recommend that you read this very interesting interview with this chappie who has done numerous studies into the different brands of Statins - some plain bad, some better and some good. Your hubby should read this too as it will help him decide which way to go, and those brands he should refuse should his doctor try to press them on him. Statin Therapy: Risks vs Benefit: An Expert Interview With Eliot A. Brinton, MD http://www.medscape.org/viewarticle/481357 However, you could try the natural route by taking 300mgs CoEnzymeQ10 together with 350mgs Niacin (vitamin B3) - the flushing kind. Luv - Sheila colesterol 8.5 (<4.5) - I think this was total col but not sure. They sent him for more blood tests and LDL came back at 5.9 (<4.8) He has to go back and I am expecting them to put him on statins, can any one advise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 Hi Shelia Thanks for the reply, I think personally that it is his thyroid. TSH 2.41 (0.35-4.94)T4 12.9 (9-19) I know these results don’t say he is hypo but he has gone from constantly warm to always cold and his health has gone down at the same time. I am hoping to get a referral to Dr Skinner but doubt it will happen. Caroline Hello CarolineIt is likely that your hubby's high cholesterol has been caused by his low metabolism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2012 Report Share Posted March 6, 2012 My Hubby went back to Dr's today. He had a TSH of 2.45. Having taken everyones comments he stated that this was considered hypo in most european countries. His Spanish Dr said " Yes in Spain I would treat you. " The Dr tried to convince him to tae statins, but Neil has a bit of a win with this practice for 10 years they treated him for reflux, all the time he was unable to sleep for coughing and was telling them it was not reflux. Eventually Professor Ilovereflux wrote a letter saying your symptoms scream of asmatha but I will treat you with these six reflux treatments on at a time!!! We rang asmatha societ and she said she could here it was asmatha over the phone so we asked dr of a trial of meds, reluctantly he agreed, when Neil got better over night the Dr had to apologiser. Sorry for the rant. Now the Dr is doing more blood tests a TFT (not sure what that covers) and a thyroid antibodies. My question is if these come back and they stil won't treat his thyroid is there an endo local to doncaster it would be worth being referred to? If not should we try referral to Dr Skinner? What do you ask Dr to referre you to Dr Skinner? Thanks C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2012 Report Share Posted March 6, 2012 Hi, I'm from Doncaster and I would say whatever you do DON'T! see the supposed seasoned Endocrinologists there! I was patronized, spoken down to and not treated even with a TSH of over 7! (IT WAS 70 AT ONE POINT!) They said that 'it must be getting better on its own' fools! Say to your GP rather than a referral to Doncaster you would like one to see Dr Skinner and I would pay the private fee (they cannot refuse to do this if they were willing to refer you to Donny). This is what I ended up doing and I could of saved myself months and months of pain and suffering. They are truly useless at DRI and made me feel like I was nuts so if your husbands tsh is 2.45 they won't even entertain you. Please don't waste your time with them. xx Oh and don't go to Sheffield either! even private! bad choice again on my part.. just see Dr S hes the man! > > > > C > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2012 Report Share Posted March 6, 2012 > Say to your GP rather than a referral to Doncaster you would like one to see Dr Skinner and I would pay the private fee (they cannot refuse to do this if they were willing to refer you to Donny). This is what I ended up doing and I could of saved myself months and months of pain and suffering. Sorry to barge in on the thread.... - I must have missed your report.... how did your appointment go with Dr. Skinner? love, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2012 Report Share Posted March 6, 2012 Hi Thanks for the answer and its nice to hear about someone so close. They are all idiots these Dr's but pleased to see Dr s is getting you better. Best Caroline > Hi, > > I'm from Doncaster and I would say whatever you do DON'T! see the supposed seasoned Endocrinologists there! I was patronized, spoken down to and not treated even with a TSH of over 7! (IT WAS 70 AT ONE POINT!) They said that 'it must be getting better on its own' fools! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 Hi Caroline I have sent you a list of doctors recommended by our members. These doctors will treat using some form of T3, either synthetic or natural if you can't get your health back on L-thyroxine-only, so they must know a little more about the functioning of the thyroid than other doctors. I hope you find somebody here who will help. It sounds as if you would be better off finding a GP who actually knows a little bit about medicine, as your present GP's education is rather lacking. When his results come back, post the results to us here together with the reference range and we will do what we can to help with their interpretation. He should also get his levels of iron, transferrin saturation%, ferritin, vitamin B12, vitamin D3, magnesium, folate, copper and zinc tested, as it is often found these can be very low in patients suffering with symptoms of hypothyroidism. Luv - Sheila Now the Dr is doing more blood tests a TFT (not sure what that covers) and a thyroid antibodies. My question is if these come back and they stil won't treat his thyroid is there an endo local to doncaster it would be worth being referred to? If not should we try referral to Dr Skinner? What do you ask Dr to referre you to Dr Skinner? Thanks C No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4853 - Release Date: 03/05/12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 No worries Caroline, like I said I wish I'd of just gone to see Dr S and another Dr I saw as recommended by Shelia sooner. Just get all the tests done that your husband needs whether that be on the NHS if you can or private and go and see one of the forward thinking Drs on the list. At Doncaster I was rushed in and out not listened to and just wasted loads of time with my baby messing about with them. I had also gone private before (not with someone on the list) and wasted hundreds of thousands of pounds under his care. I went along with a private laproscopy cos he said my abdominal pain and hormonal problems could be down to endometriosis (even though I had never had menstrual problems). I'd never had an op before and had a 4 month old at the time it was horrendeous and guess what? No endometriosis! Please have your husband go with one of the trusted Drs on the list. Hi ! yes went to see Dr S he was great! I'd seen Shelias endo the week before and he was also excellent (wasn't expecting to get the Dr S appointment so quickly) so I went to see him too. They both agreed that it was autoimmune which is what I wanted clarification of and both said I should start again on thyroxine and give it a good go which I've been doing. Started on a really small 12.5mg dose and then up to 25mg and ready to go onto 50mg soon. I have noticed a real difference, head fog is lifting and my energy levels are rising too. Still got muscles pains but they are also easing. Fingers crossed I'm getting there!!! They both said that I should not just settle for feeling ok and if after having a good go at the thyroxine I'm not feeling great I should try T3 or natural. I feel so supported by them both. Thank you so much for all your help and advice . I'll keep you updated! (SORRY FOR THE BUTTING IN CAROLINE!) Luv xx > > Say to your GP rather than a referral to Doncaster you would like one > to see Dr Skinner and I would pay the private fee (they cannot refuse to > do this if they were willing to refer you to Donny). This is what I > ended up doing and I could of saved myself months and months of pain and > suffering. > > > > Sorry to barge in on the thread.... - I must have missed your > report.... how did your appointment go with Dr. Skinner? > > love, > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 Finally gots some more results back for hubby He has classic hypo symptoms, cold, tired, gaining weight, lethergic - gone from healthy fit individual to crawling out of bed and from toasty to always cold. He just had thyroid tests redone and of course came back normal. Dr won't do anymore tests as want him to go on statins tsh 2.16 (.35 - 4.94) t4 13.6 (9 - 19) thyroid antibodies <30 (normal 0-50) We did not get an actual number for antibodies so don't know if he actually had any can anyone shed some light on these new results and what he should do now. Thanks Caroline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 Hi Caroline Well, the results do fit within the normal range, but that doesn't mean a great deal, does it. Is your GP willing to try your husband on thyroxine? does your husband only have thyroid symptoms, or other symptoms too? has this come on all of a sudden? chris > > > Finally gots some more results back for hubby > > He has classic hypo symptoms, cold, tired, gaining weight, lethergic - gone from healthy fit individual to crawling out of bed and from toasty to always cold. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2012 Report Share Posted March 22, 2012 Hi Chris Answers in message below: > > Hi Caroline > > Well, the results do fit within the normal range, but that doesn't mean a great deal, does it. > > Is your GP willing to try your husband on thyroxine? He is a spanish GP and said he would treat in spain but not here. > does your husband only have thyroid symptoms, or other symptoms too? He also has high cholestrol - thyroid to me and low but stable body temps in the 97.6 area. He has asmatha (took us 10 years to get diagnoised) But to be honest his symptoms scream low thyroid to me, the thing is they are not major bad, just life draining. > > has this come on all of a sudden? It has been gradually over about 5 years, he is 48 has an active job and about a stone overweight. > > > chris > Thanks for any advice Caroline > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2012 Report Share Posted March 22, 2012 Hi there, asthma, is to do with the Adrenal hormones.!!!! angel. who`s gran suffered with asthma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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