Thyroid testing

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With TSH parameters being so wide, I use Broda Temperature test and the iodine patch test, both recommended by Brownstein MD and , MD.

Dicken Weatherby, ND, recommends using Free T3, Free T4 and Reverse T3. rT3 is influenced by liver DX, heavy metals and oxidative stress, though, making it a little unreliable.

If the patient has high cholesterol and triglycerides, is overweight and can't lose weight and has a history of fatigue and/or cold extremities, start thinking hypothyroid.

I haven't had much luck with the Achilles Return reflex, though many docs do say it works for them.

The Feb 2002 issue of Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism said that among disease-free population (those who do not have thyroid antibodies or dx thyroid disease) the mean TSH is 1.5

Hope that helps.

Christian Mathisen, DC, CCWFN

Certified Clinician in Whole Food Nutrition

3654 S pacific Hwy

Medford, OR 97501

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Thyroid Testing

What do you all currently recommend for "comprehensive" thyroid testing? What labs/companies, and what specific panels? Thanks in advance. (:-)

M. s, D.C.

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Christian and all; I have a good friend that actually as been struggling

for years with what I believe to be hypothyroidism, but when her M.D. does

the usual blood work they tell her she is within the normal values. I know

they are wrong but cant do anything about it from here. What I would like

is a referral in the Quebec city area or general help I could get her to

try on her own.

Thanks ahead for your expertise,

M. Cote D.C.

Silverton

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> With TSH parameters being so wide, I use Broda Temperature test and

> the iodine patch test, both recommended by Brownstein MD and

> , MD.

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> Dicken Weatherby, ND, recommends using Free T3, Free T4 and Reverse T3.

> rT3 is influenced by liver DX, heavy metals and oxidative stress, though,

> making it a little unreliable.

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> If the patient has high cholesterol and triglycerides, is overweight and

> can't lose weight and has a history of fatigue and/or cold extremities,

> start thinking hypothyroid.

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> I haven't had much luck with the Achilles Return reflex, though many docs

> do say it works for them.

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> The Feb 2002 issue of Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism

> said that among disease-free population (those who do not have thyroid

> antibodies or dx thyroid disease) the mean TSH is 1.5

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> Hope that helps.

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> Christian Mathisen, DC, CCWFN

> Certified Clinician in Whole Food Nutrition

> 3654 S pacific Hwy

> Medford, OR 97501

> cmathdc@...

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> Thyroid Testing

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> What do you all currently recommend for " comprehensive " thyroid testing?

> What labs/companies, and what specific panels? Thanks in advance.

> (:-)

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> M. s, D.C.

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A comprehensive thyroid exam should include TSH, Free T4 and T3. If the TSH

comes back as high (>2.0), then run autoantibodies (TPO +TGA). Most hypothyroid

is autoimmune and the antibodies are rarely run by conventional docs. Their

reference range for thyroid is WAY too big. Any TSH above 2.0 is starting to

creep up into hypothyroidism. If the antibodies are negative look at adrenal

function, a chronically stressed person's adrenals will tug at their thyroid. If

the TSH is low first consider pituitary dysfunction and then autoimmune.

Cheers

Chlebowski, D.C.

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> What do you all currently recommend for " comprehensive " thyroid testing? What

labs/companies, and what specific panels? Thanks in advance. (:-)

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> M. s, D.C.

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I agree. I use Direct Labs which is very affordable. If I have a patient that is having many thyroid symptoms, I just order the autoimmune tests alone with the standard blood tests. I have used axillary temp, evaluation of the meridians, muscle testing of the endocrine related muscles but most importantly symptoms and history. Many of the leading lecturers say that up to 80 % of hypothyroidism is autoimmune and that we must look at food allergies and toxic reactions as the cause. Treating the Thyroid alone yields poor results as this is an entire Hypothalamic-Pituitary Axis condition. The gut and liver must be addressed first. 80 plus per cent of T4 to T3 conversion occurs in the liver and gut. Also, exorcise is essential as the Thyroid hormones are largely secreted into the lymphatic system. Read Brownstein, read Kharrazian. These cases are being missed all the time with patients being given every imaginable dx from depression (chemical imbalance) to fibromyalgia.

Domby D.C. DIBAKPO Box 1108Scappoose, Oregon, USA97056phone 503 543-3195 Re: Thyroid Testing

A comprehensive thyroid exam should include TSH, Free T4 and T3. If the TSH comes back as high (>2.0), then run autoantibodies (TPO +TGA). Most hypothyroid is autoimmune and the antibodies are rarely run by conventional docs. Their reference range for thyroid is WAY too big. Any TSH above 2.0 is starting to creep up into hypothyroidism. If the antibodies are negative look at adrenal function, a chronically stressed person's adrenals will tug at their thyroid. If the TSH is low first consider pituitary dysfunction and then autoimmune.CheersChlebowski, D.C.>> What do you all currently recommend for "comprehensive" thyroid testing? What labs/companies, and what specific panels? Thanks in advance. (:-)> > M. s, D.C.>

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Look to her PUFA intake.....when the polyunsaturated oil intake is high, T4 is prevented from disconnecting from T3 ergo no activation. If the thyroid is wnl and low, this is moreoften the culprit than thyroid dysfunction.

Inadequate saturated fat intake (ie, coconut oil) puts the pufas way out of proportion and the triggering enzyme is not created.

Think horses before you think zebras.

Sunny

Sunny Kierstyn, RN DC Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon 2677 Willakenzie Road, 7CEugene, Oregon, 97401541- 654-0850; Fx; 541- 654-0834www.drsunnykierstyn.com

cmathdc@...CC: ; drbobdc83@...From: cote@...Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 16:04:28 -0800Subject: Re: Thyroid Testing

Christian and all; I have a good friend that actually as been strugglingfor years with what I believe to be hypothyroidism, but when her M.D. doesthe usual blood work they tell her she is within the normal values. I knowthey are wrong but cant do anything about it from here. What I would likeis a referral in the Quebec city area or general help I could get her totry on her own.Thanks ahead for your expertise, M. Cote D.C.Silverton> ,>> With TSH parameters being so wide, I use Broda Temperature test and> the iodine patch test, both recommended by Brownstein MD and > , MD.>> Dicken Weatherby, ND, recommends using Free T3, Free T4 and Reverse T3.> rT3 is influenced by liver DX, heavy metals and oxidative stress, though,> making it a little unreliable.>> If the patient has high cholesterol and triglycerides, is overweight and> can't lose weight and has a history of fatigue and/or cold extremities,> start thinking hypothyroid.>> I haven't had much luck with the Achilles Return reflex, though many docs> do say it works for them.>> The Feb 2002 issue of Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism> said that among disease-free population (those who do not have thyroid> antibodies or dx thyroid disease) the mean TSH is 1.5>> Hope that helps.>> Christian Mathisen, DC, CCWFN> Certified Clinician in Whole Food Nutrition> 3654 S pacific Hwy> Medford, OR 97501> cmathdc@...>>>> Thyroid Testing>>>>> What do you all currently recommend for "comprehensive" thyroid testing?> What labs/companies, and what specific panels? Thanks in advance.> (:-)>> M. s, D.C.>>

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Consider contacting Labrix Labs in Oregon City.

Joan Schultze, DC

Lake Oswego

Re: Thyroid Testing

A comprehensive thyroid exam should include TSH, Free T4 and T3. If the TSH comes back as high (>2.0), then run autoantibodies (TPO +TGA). Most hypothyroid is autoimmune and the antibodies are rarely run by conventional docs. Their reference range for thyroid is WAY too big. Any TSH above 2.0 is starting to creep up into hypothyroidism. If the antibodies are negative look at adrenal function, a chronically stressed person's adrenals will tug at their thyroid. If the TSH is low first consider pituitary dysfunction and then autoimmune.CheersChlebowski, D.C.>> What do you all currently recommend for "comprehensive" thyroid testing? What labs/companies, and what specific panels? Thanks in advance. (:-)> > M. s, D.C.>

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And your friend won't be able to get natural thyroid, since that is a RX

only and she has to fall outside the established parameters, or her doc will

get slapped for not treating according to the " consensus of medical

opinion. "

Christian

Thyroid Testing

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Hi, two weeks ago I ordered Nurti Adrenal and Armour (1/4 grain) with the

intention of finding my own balance in desperation. I haven't started taking

either. On Wednesday I went back to the doctor and she has agreed to test my

Thyroid again (with that condescending look and sigh) (last tested in 2009).

The test is scheduled for 27th Feb. should I hold off on starting my Nutiri

Adrenal and Armour until after the tests? Do they build up in your system

masking the true levels or are they immediately metabolised and therefore won't

alter the blood results?

Just to give a bit more background. In November 2011 I cut out all Wheat, sugar

and other carbs. I've been eating a diet of protein, non carby veggies and

dairy, never exceeding 1200 calories per day and havent lost a single pound.

I've had my Vit D tested - I'm at 52.7 nmol - reported as adequate? D3 =

49.0nmol/l and D2 = 3.7 nmol/L Ive been supplementing Vit B 12 and taking

probiotics and omega 3 fish oils.

Any advise would be much appreciated.

Thanks

Jane

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Most definitely hold off starting Armour thyroid and always

remember for future testing. Whenever you get a date to have your blood drawn,

stop the thyroid hormone the day before and don't take any on the morning you

go for the test. This is because the T3 in natural thyroid extract peaks in the

blood after 2 to 3 hours after taking it. If you took it the day of the blood

draw your GP would panic seeing this high level of T3 and tell you to cut back

on your thyroid hormone, which often causes panic all round, especially in

those who know little to nothing about thyroid hormones. T3 has a very short

half life.

Luv - Sheila

Hi, two weeks ago I ordered Nurti Adrenal and

Armour (1/4 grain) with the intention of finding my own balance in desperation.

I haven't started taking either. On Wednesday I went back to the doctor and she

has agreed to test my Thyroid again (with that condescending look and sigh)

(last tested in 2009). The test is scheduled for 27th Feb. should I hold off on

starting my Nutiri Adrenal and Armour until after the tests? Do they build up

in your system masking the true levels or are they immediately metabolised and

therefore won't alter the blood results?

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hello jane

i think if it were me i would hold off starting both nutri adrenal and armour;

the t4 component in the armour will buld up (albeit slowly)whereas the t3

component will be more quickly utilised. given that you don't yet have a

diagnosis and 27 feb isn't too far away, it would make sense to get a baseline

set of results.

i came across this bit of information a couple of days ago " TSH can be affected

by your hydration status. Drink a lot of water right

before the blood draw, and TSH will go down " ...it would make sense therefore to

NOT drink water before your test.

another thing is that if you suspect you have low adrenals, i think it is

usually recomended to start on adrenal support for a couple of weeks or so

before adding in thyroid supplementation.

the adrenals (at the very least) need a good amount of vitamin c and the b

vitamins (particulary pantothenic acid/b5)...it might help you to supplement

both of these but do take a b complex as well ...too much of one b vit can

imbalance the others. vitamin c is best taken in divided doses, you could start

with 500mg two or three times a day and see how you go.

trish

trish

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> Hi, two weeks ago I ordered Nurti Adrenal and Armour (1/4 grain) with the

intention of finding my own balance in desperation. I haven't started taking

either. On Wednesday I went back to the doctor and she has agreed to test my

Thyroid again (with that condescending look and sigh) (last tested in 2009).

The test is scheduled for 27th Feb. should I hold off on starting my Nutiri

Adrenal and Armour until after the tests? Do they build up in your system

masking the true levels or are they immediately metabolised and therefore won't

alter the blood results?

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Hi Connie, thanks for your message. I'm a huge fan of livin' la vida low carb

as well as Taubes and Paleo diets. I' was following the unrestricted

calories but found my appetite (pleasantly) much reduced as a result of the

proteins and fats so the restricted calories was more natural than effort.

Thanks

Jane

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> Hi Jane,

> I joined this forum only recently so have no advice on thyroid-related

> questions but I noticed you mentioned that you are on low-carb diet yet

> apply the principles of a calorie-restricted (= low-fat) diet.

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Great, another Taubes fan I posted an amazon link to the book 'Trick or Treat' by Barry Groves in another post earlier today, they both complement each other, you may want to check him out, too! Cheers,C. xx >> Hi Connie, thanks for your message. I'm a huge fan of livin' la vida low carb as well as Taubes and Paleo diets. I' was following the unrestricted calories but found my appetite (pleasantly) much reduced as a result of the proteins and fats so the restricted calories was more natural than effort.> > Thanks> Jane> xx