advice please

January 9, 2001

Last summer, when Ian was at his absolute worst, we did consider placing him

somewhere else. Life at home was just miserable, and we were desperate. We

didn't. We consulted a crisis intervention organization (check with your

local hospital), and they were able to help us.

Just this afternoon, we took a tour of a local respite house, where Ian will

be going to have dinner next week, and have an overnight. He's so excited,

and so are we all. It really will be respite.

My advice -- hang in there, check your resources, look into everything even

remotely possible.

Best wishes,

CK,

Mom to Ian (2/89),

(9/90),

and Rose (6/94)

January 11, 2001

Chickeniemom,

What do you need advice for? So your seeing if your child has another dx?

Or is the behavior normal?

>

When I was younger I used to hit kids. I don't know why but I guess because

I didn't know how to stop. I don't remember my parents doing anything

except maybe telling me to stop and they put me in my room. Eventually I

stopped I think when I was 12 or 13. Just do what you normally do to love

him, that's all you can do. Right now my brother is 17, and well he's doing

bad stuff. My parents are the same way- their's nothing they can do to stop

him, and their's nothing they can do to change my brother's behaivior. My

parent's just love him just how they always have.

>

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January 11, 2001

I don't understand the question.

>From: " sara cohen " <pastmidvale@...>

>Reply-egroups

>egroups

>Subject: Re: advice please

>Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 11:41:10 -0500

>

>As the mother of a fifteen year old with sometimes attacking behaviors I

>would like to ask some questions that you could think about BEFORE you

>think of out of home placment. My husband and I also are opeators of a

>family based treatment home for kids with MR/ehaviors although to date

>none

>of us (there are six families in the program) have been asked to take kids

>like ours!

>

>Questions: Has anyone helped you do a funtional analysis of his ehavior?

>Sometimes just knowing that you will be writing down what preceeds the

>behavior/what was the behavior/what was the result (also called ABC for

>antecedent, behavior, consequence. Is the school doing a functioal analsis

>of EACH incident? This data collecting can help pin point things that set

>off your son. Have you cut his nails? I cut Elie's every week and keep

>them as sort as possible. I don't want him clawing people, but I also want

>to be able to scrub his hands clean of school bacteria before he infects

>our

>house! Have you disussed medication options? We have seen a great

>decrease

>in abusive behavior (towards others) with proper medication. Reading this

>list, I know you realize that no one med works for all our kids. Sometimes

>one must try different things. Are you receiving wrap services to modify

>his behavior? Does your state or county have this capability? Do you have

>a case manager fom the county or funding area?

>

>I have childen in my home who with proper supports to the family couldhave

>stayed home. I also have chldren who have no families so their options are

>here or an institution.

>

>If you feel that you have exhausted all possibilities for your child at

>home

>and cannot get the support you need to keep him home, then why not explore

>family based treatment? This is where a family with father and mother home

>all the time (no outside work) will work to modify your child's behavior

>through a individual family treatment plan with the goal being to return

>home as soon as possible.

>

>Explore your options and let us know how things go. Many of us have been

>in

>your shoes!!!

>

>Sara, Mom to Elie now 15yo and hooked this week on Phil

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January 12, 2001

Sara,

I am interested in the ABC eval you spoke of. Is this something that

school personell should be familiar with? I have asked many times for

what happened right before a certain behavior occurred, but they insist

there was " Nothing " to bring that on. Who would I go to that should have

the skills to do this assessment?

Thanks

mary

> >

> >As the mother of a fifteen year old with sometimes attacking

> behaviors I

> >would like to ask some questions that you could think about BEFORE

> you

> >think of out of home placment. My husband and I also are opeators

> of a

> >family based treatment home for kids with MR/ehaviors although to

> date

> >none

> >of us (there are six families in the program) have been asked to

> take kids

> >like ours!

> >

> >Questions: Has anyone helped you do a funtional analysis of his

> ehavior?

> >Sometimes just knowing that you will be writing down what preceeds

> the

> >behavior/what was the behavior/what was the result (also called

> ABC for

> >antecedent, behavior, consequence. Is the school doing a functioal

> analsis

> >of EACH incident? This data collecting can help pin point things

> that set

> >off your son. Have you cut his nails? I cut Elie's every week and

> keep

> >them as sort as possible. I don't want him clawing people, but I

> also want

> >to be able to scrub his hands clean of school bacteria before he

> infects

> >our

> >house! Have you disussed medication options? We have seen a great

>

> >decrease

> >in abusive behavior (towards others) with proper medication.

> Reading this

> >list, I know you realize that no one med works for all our kids.

> Sometimes

> >one must try different things. Are you receiving wrap services to

> modify

> >his behavior? Does your state or county have this capability? Do

> you have

> >a case manager fom the county or funding area?

> >

> >I have childen in my home who with proper supports to the family

> couldhave

> >stayed home. I also have chldren who have no families so their

> options are

> >here or an institution.

> >

> >If you feel that you have exhausted all possibilities for your

> child at

> >home

> >and cannot get the support you need to keep him home, then why not

> explore

> >family based treatment? This is where a family with father and

> mother home

> >all the time (no outside work) will work to modify your child's

> behavior

> >through a individual family treatment plan with the goal being to

> return

> >home as soon as possible.

> >

> >Explore your options and let us know how things go. Many of us

> have been

> >in

> >your shoes!!!

> >

> >Sara, Mom to Elie now 15yo and hooked this week on Phil

> >_________________________________________________________________

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> >

>

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January 13, 2001

Have they seen a doc or specialist about this? Maybe just a parent support

group?

>From: " Dunning " <brink_00@...>

>Reply-egroups

>egroups

>Subject: Re: advice please

>Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 19:17:36 -0600

>

>Chickeniemom,

>

> What do you need advice for? So your seeing if your child has another

>dx?

> Or is the behavior normal?

> >

>When I was younger I used to hit kids. I don't know why but I guess

>because

>I didn't know how to stop. I don't remember my parents doing anything

>except maybe telling me to stop and they put me in my room. Eventually I

>stopped I think when I was 12 or 13. Just do what you normally do to love

>him, that's all you can do. Right now my brother is 17, and well he's

>doing

>bad stuff. My parents are the same way- their's nothing they can do to

>stop

>him, and their's nothing they can do to change my brother's behaivior. My

>parent's just love him just how they always have.

>

> >

>

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July 11, 2001

Hi First of all never say never!! I'm not

an OS and I don't know what condition your knee(s)

are in, but at the same time think positive! OS's can

be wrong. So don't give up. Best advice is to try to

get a job which involves a lot less standing (easier

said than done!!!) I believe this will reduce the

inflammation and make you more comfortable... Second

thing... DO try the glucosamine. As far as I am aware it

does NOT affect blood sugar level. I don't think it

actually contains sugar or glucose in a form which affects

blood sugar level. A friend of mine is a diabetic and

he takes glucosamine without ill-effects. So take

the glucosamine... monitor yourself (just in case)

and you should probably be OK. If you don't want to

take glucosamine then take chondroitin alone. This is

supposed to be as effective as glucosamine, although the

combination of the two is thought to work synergistically.

But as far as I am aware you should be OK with the

glucosamine. See this link

too: <a href=http://www.drtheo.com

target=new>http://www.drtheo.com</a> Joe

July 11, 2001

But see Bucko's post #1293 for caution about chondroitin!

July 11, 2001

Ay Joe. I think our Navy person is a woman so I hope she doesn't have to worry

about issues of the prostate.

July 12, 2001

Margaret - Where have you been? Sorry to hear about you husband. I think he

should ck it out, since it is getting worse and not better. Do you have a

chiropractor you could call?

You should pop over to Momwithminds -they were asking about you. Take care,

Jill

July 12, 2001

Dena - I would be interested in hear about the oils. I have a good friend who

is 32 and needs two hip replacements due to degenerative disease too. Thanks,

Jill

July 12, 2001

Margaret,

If you are interested in the alternative practice of Essential Oils, I have

used them on my husband for the past year. He was in need of hip

replacement, degenerative disease everywhere, they have been most effective

for my family. Let me know, many blessings,

Doc and Dena

15:13

Radical and Rejected by the Establishment

www.spiritualaroma.com

ADVICE PLEASE

> I'm looking for advice please. My husband did a silly thing... he jumped

> off the roof of our van on to a big trampoline on the 4th of July and hurt

> his leg. It is very painful and aches but it doesn't act like it is

> broken. It did not swell, he can walk on it, there's not one outward sign

> that it is hurt. It aches real bad, especially at night. When he puts

> pressure on it, it doesn't hurt but when pressure is off, it hurts. It

> hurts to touch it. The pain began under his knee but he aches on the top

> of his foot too. He said the pain has now moved to near his butt. Could

> this be a pinched nerve and what do you do for it? I am reluctant to send

> him to the doctor... I am almost sure they are going to x-ray it and I

> don't think it is broke. I know they will give him some sort of pain

> medication and tell him to be off of it. I know that! Should I still

have

> him go? Any advice would be helpful.

>

> Blessings Be

>

> Margaret White

>

July 12, 2001

sounds like the muscle is damaged - will need to see a dr for that

Kathy

: I'm looking for advice please. My husband did a silly thing... he

jumped

: off the roof of our van on to a big trampoline on the 4th of July and

hurt

: his leg. It is very painful and aches but it doesn't act like it is

: broken. It did not swell, he can walk on it, there's not one outward

sign

: that it is hurt. It aches real bad, especially at night. When he puts

: pressure on it, it doesn't hurt but when pressure is off, it hurts.

It

: hurts to touch it. The pain began under his knee but he aches on the

top

: of his foot too. He said the pain has now moved to near his butt.

Could

: this be a pinched nerve and what do you do for it? I am reluctant to

send

: him to the doctor... I am almost sure they are going to x-ray it and I

: don't think it is broke. I know they will give him some sort of pain

: medication and tell him to be off of it. I know that! Should I still

have

: him go? Any advice would be helpful.

:

: Blessings Be

:

: Margaret White

July 12, 2001

Hello Jill... all. He did go to our Chiropractor yesterday and they did

traction and gave him an alignment. He felt better for about 2 hours, then

it got bad again. I am worried because it is getting worse.

To tell you all where I've been. I have made the decision to quit my full

time job and stay home to educate and be a mommy to my babies (ages 2 and

4). My last day is July 31 so pray for me in this transition. I have been

working like crazy so I can save money so things have been hectic.

Margaret White

JILBAIT@...

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Margaret - Where have you been? Sorry to hear about you husband. I think he

should ck it out, since it is getting worse and not better. Do you have a

chiropractor you could call?

You should pop over to Momwithminds -they were asking about you. Take care,

Jill

July 12, 2001

Any idea what they will do for muscle damage other than wait for it to

heal? I sort of feel like it is muscle damage too. Can you tell I just

don't do doctors?

Margaret White

" K & T "

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03:31 PM

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sounds like the muscle is damaged - will need to see a dr for that

Kathy

: I'm looking for advice please. My husband did a silly thing... he

jumped

: off the roof of our van on to a big trampoline on the 4th of July and

hurt

: his leg. It is very painful and aches but it doesn't act like it is

: broken. It did not swell, he can walk on it, there's not one outward

sign

: that it is hurt. It aches real bad, especially at night. When he puts

: pressure on it, it doesn't hurt but when pressure is off, it hurts.

It

: hurts to touch it. The pain began under his knee but he aches on the

top

: of his foot too. He said the pain has now moved to near his butt.

Could

: this be a pinched nerve and what do you do for it? I am reluctant to

send

: him to the doctor... I am almost sure they are going to x-ray it and I

: don't think it is broke. I know they will give him some sort of pain

: medication and tell him to be off of it. I know that! Should I still

have

: him go? Any advice would be helpful.

:

: Blessings Be

:

: Margaret White

July 12, 2001

Dena, Please share... you can email me private if you need. Thanks.

Margaret White

" Dena "

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02:55 PM

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Margaret,

If you are interested in the alternative practice of Essential Oils, I have

used them on my husband for the past year. He was in need of hip

replacement, degenerative disease everywhere, they have been most effective

for my family. Let me know, many blessings,

Doc and Dena

15:13

Radical and Rejected by the Establishment

www.spiritualaroma.com

ADVICE PLEASE

> I'm looking for advice please. My husband did a silly thing... he jumped

> off the roof of our van on to a big trampoline on the 4th of July and

hurt

> his leg. It is very painful and aches but it doesn't act like it is

> broken. It did not swell, he can walk on it, there's not one outward

sign

> that it is hurt. It aches real bad, especially at night. When he puts

> pressure on it, it doesn't hurt but when pressure is off, it hurts. It

> hurts to touch it. The pain began under his knee but he aches on the top

> of his foot too. He said the pain has now moved to near his butt. Could

> this be a pinched nerve and what do you do for it? I am reluctant to

send

> him to the doctor... I am almost sure they are going to x-ray it and I

> don't think it is broke. I know they will give him some sort of pain

> medication and tell him to be off of it. I know that! Should I still

have

> him go? Any advice would be helpful.

>

> Blessings Be

>

> Margaret White

>

July 12, 2001

Personally, I would go to a doctor or chiropractor. One area that allopaths

are good at is emergency medicine and orthopedics (mechanical stuff). If it

is broken, or the muscle is damaged or whatever, he would be told to do

different things. If it heals improperly, he might have long term problems

that could have been avoided. You can always just use the doctor or

chiropractor for diagnostic purposes only, and take or leave their advice.

Sandy

ADVICE PLEASE

I'm looking for advice please. My husband did a silly thing... he jumped

off the roof of our van on to a big trampoline on the 4th of July and hurt

his leg. It is very painful and aches but it doesn't act like it is

broken. It did not swell, he can walk on it, there's not one outward sign

that it is hurt. It aches real bad, especially at night. When he puts

pressure on it, it doesn't hurt but when pressure is off, it hurts. It

hurts to touch it. The pain began under his knee but he aches on the top

of his foot too. He said the pain has now moved to near his butt. Could

this be a pinched nerve and what do you do for it? I am reluctant to send

him to the doctor... I am almost sure they are going to x-ray it and I

don't think it is broke. I know they will give him some sort of pain

medication and tell him to be off of it. I know that! Should I still have

him go? Any advice would be helpful.

Blessings Be

Margaret White

July 12, 2001

I got the part about having already gone to the chiropractor after I sent my

letter. Sorry. Sandy

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