Introduction

[Guest guest]

in my opinion i find Peds to be the worst DR's for kids a good family

practice might be the answer for you. Dr mendelson also agreed that the PEDs

were the worst. I have had Nothing but bad luck with them. Good luch and

welcome

AMY

MOMMY TO 4 KIDDIES

Chelsea 10

Carrigian 6

5

Chaela Noelle 20 mo

When you know better. You do better..Maya Angelo

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[Guest guest]

Thank you for contacting us and letting us know of your interest in our

'affliction.' I for one am looking foward to your knowledge and

participation in our group.

Ma

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>Reply-achalasia

>achalasia

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>Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 18:52:44 -0000

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Hi: My name is Jay Pasricha and I am a gastroenterologist with a

special interest in achalasia and related disorders of

gastrointestinal motility. Dick Lahn has asked me join this group and

help answer some of the medical questions that come up. I would be

pleased to do this but before I can begin, I have to obtain

permission from my University as well as clarify any liability issues

that may arise from my participation (that's just life in the US of

A!). In the next few days, I will hopefully be able to get these

issues behind me and make some contributions to the group.

I hope this year is a lot better for everybody! Good luck and best

wishes.

[Guest guest]

Well, our family doctor who I loved until recently said...and I do quote " Just

because your child has CP doesn't mean she will be retarded " . That was the last

time I will ever step foot in that place. First of all, I can't believe she

dared talk down to me like that knowing I teach kids with special needs...and

secondly, she actually used the word retarded???? Who says that anymore?

K.

Re: introduction

in my opinion i find Peds to be the worst DR's for kids a good family

practice might be the answer for you. Dr mendelson also agreed that the PEDs

were the worst. I have had Nothing but bad luck with them. Good luch and

welcome

AMY

MOMMY TO 4 KIDDIES

Chelsea 10

Carrigian 6

5

Chaela Noelle 20 mo

When you know better. You do better..Maya Angelo

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HREF= " http://www.theforgotten.com/vaccines " >Did you know</A>

<A

HREF= " http://hometown.aol.com/chevy974/myhomepagebaby.html " >The Haskett

bunch</A> <A HREF= " http://babiesonline.com/babies/c/chaela/ " >Chaela, born

12/22/2000</A>

[Guest guest]

Re: introduction

> in my opinion i find Peds to be the worst DR's for kids a good family

> practice might be the answer for you. Dr mendelson also agreed that the

PEDs

> were the worst. I have had Nothing but bad luck with them. Good luch and

> welcome

The priest like holders of the holy grail--vaccines. Don't seem to get them

so much here in the UK--luckily our GP is OK. Peds seem to have the biggest

salaries which has to come from disease most of which they cause with

vaccines.

Mendelsohn hit the nail on the head with them in this case over

breastfeeding http://www.whale.to/v/mendelsohn4.html which is a main

source of income, not least from bottle milk companies.

" I accused doctors of still failing to give women detailed information about

the immunological benefits to babies of breastmilk, at which point the only

woman paediatrician got very upset at me, and said that was a mother's

choice, just like abortion. I looked her square in the face and asked if she

had children, and her answer was " Yes " I then raised my eyebrows and " Who

you bottlefed, right? " She instantly got up and left. I think the unspoken

implications got through loud and clear. " --

john

[Guest guest]

Hi,

My name is Dorothy, I am 44 and from NY. I just joined this group yesterday and like many of you have tried everthing under the sun to loose weight. I topped the scale at 310, 2 weeks ago and decided that I really needed to work on this really bad. I have been reading alot of the back messages and have found that alot of you use or have used the FOODMOVER by . Is that easy to follow? I have been checking for the set on ebay but right now I can't afford to get it. I am just trying to eat less right now. I also have a doctor's appointment to check my thyroid, because my legs and hands have been swelling up alot lately with no apparent cause. So maybe that is also part of my problem, will let you all know what I find out.

My main problem is I eat when I am stressed out and that is everyday that I work. You see I work as a Resident Counselor in a Group Home for Mentally Retarded/ Developementally Disabled Adults. The home I work at has the lowest functioning and highest behaviors. We are in constant fear of being hurt by one of the patients. So I go home stressed everyday and my favorite thing is CHOCOLATE. Right now I don't have any chocolate around and it is killing me but so far so good, I haven't broke yet.

I was so excited about the Chicken Fat song that I forgot to introduce

myself. I am Vicki and also live in Wisconsin only on the other end of

the state than most of you. I am 48 and at today's weigh in I weighed

244 lbs. I hope to get down to 160. I went to a one on one weight

counselor about 10 years ago and although the program worked for me, I

fell into bad habits so I am going back on that program (without the

counselor and cost) to see if I can do it alone (with all of your

support). The gist of the program is basically you can eat everything in

moderation and stick to about 1200 calories. You do need to choose from

each group so you maintain a balanced diet. And, most important! You

write EVERYTHING you eat down. Also drink lots of water. I have tried

many fad diets in the past but have been waylaid by most of them as they

were not balanced and gave me head aches. My doctor suggested I lose,

even suggested I look into some more drastic measures. But when I

inquired as to how they work, he said for most people they did not!

Well, helloooo! Why would I want to do something that had that high of a

failure rate. Just to pad his pocket book? I don't think so.

I have started a limited strength training (8 minutes with2 5 lb

weights). What a surprise to find that that sets me huffing. I also have

a treadmill and a stationary bike that will need dusting off in the near

future.

Since there are quite a few newbies, anyone else want to intoduce

themselves?

Vicki

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/6/03 4:42:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, daf300@... writes:

I have been reading alot of the back messages and have found that alot of you use or have used the FOODMOVER by . Is that easy to follow?

I love my food mover, I have used it for nearly 2 years. It is so easy to follow and it is a sensible balanced meal plan. I dare anybody to take it from me! LOL

Rae

260/150/150

"Obstacles are those frightful things you see when you take your eyes off your goal"

[Guest guest]

Hi Jen,

The major component of bitter almond oil is benzaldehyde one of the

breakdown products of the cyanic glycoside amygdalin. One of the other

breakdown components is hydrocyanic acid, usually being carefully removed by

processing. It was shown in the nineties, by C-14 analysis, that much of the

so called bitter almond oil on the market is really relabelled synthetic

benzaldehyde. So now benzaldehyde is chemically made instead from cinnamic

aldehyde from cassia oil to pass the test. Everyone knows whats going on but

nobody pulls them up for it. A bit like the oil of wintergreen and methyl

salicylate situation.

I'm not sure if you can obtain bitter almond oil which still contains 2-4%

natural cyanide in the US. Anyway if you can, I guess a reason not to use it

in aromatherapy would be the potential death of you client, or you, if you

just consumed 2 or 3 drops of it. Cyanide free bitter almond oil is fine in

flavourings, but in spite of what aromatherapy dogma might tell you,

aldehydes like benzaldehyde can present irritating and sensitising skin

problems in use, especially since benzaldehyde will oxidise to benzoic acid

(although you are hardly likely to ice your clients torso with insoluble

benzoic acid crystals!).

My advice is just stick to eating marzipan!

Tony

www.tonyburfield.co.uk

introduction

> Hi all!

>

> After a few weeks of lurking, I too thought it was time to introduce

myself. My name is Jen, and I have recently started studying perfumery and

aromatherapy. I have really enjoyed the posts from this group.

>

> I have been doing a lot of reasearch about EO companies lately. I got

some Christmas cash, and am planning on making a BIG purchase of oils soon.

I'm trying to find companies that can produce certificates, and will

purchase a few of the same oils in small quantities from different sources

to nose them out myself before making a large purchase. Any other help you

all can provide on how to discern quality oils would be welcome.

>

> Also, I have a quick question. I have read that bitter almond is

dangerous for use in aromatherapy. Why is this? and would it be suitable

for perfumery or diffusion? I adore the smell!

>

> Thanks!

>

> Jen

>

>

[Guest guest]

I love my food mover too. It is a great way for me to keep on track.

Jelayne

Re: introduction

I have been reading alot of the back messages and have found that alot of you use or have used the FOODMOVER by . Is that easy to follow? I love my food mover, I have used it for nearly 2 years. It is so easy to follow and it is a sensible balanced meal plan. I dare anybody to take it from me! LOL Rae 260/150/150

[Guest guest]

Hi Tatjana,

since we'll be facing the same probs as you do (whoever knows when

we're finally done with the process...), I did save some info which

was posted to the list before.

Go read the messages 49791 and 49793 and you'll find out about

excemptions for greencard.

good luck,

tanja

[Guest guest]

Hi Tatjana,

I also nursed my kids exclusively for the first year. They are all

significantly taller than there peers (even though dh and I are of

average height), and they never even had a sniffle that first year

(with the exception of my youngest who got chicken pox at 7 months,

and that, of course, was intentional). My husband had planned to

become a doctor (before the Air Force intervened) and we researched

how nutrition is taught (or rather, not taught) in US medical

schools; only 1/3 taught any classes on nutrition, and only 1/3 of

those required a single class of their med students. When it comes

to nutrition, doctors are the last people I'd talk to. I'm glad you

are trusting your own instincts!

Laurie

> Hi,

>

> my name is Tatjana and I am a mom of 4 boys ( 7, 5 and 2 years and

7 months) and a girl (4 years).

> We are originally from germany but now living in th US since Feb.

2001.

> My oldest 2 boys and my daughter are vaccinated as it was

recommended in germany but after my 2 year old was born I stopped

all vaccinations and the little ones never received any shot.

> I am still afraid of both sides, the side effects of vaccinations

and diseases like Polio, tetanus, diphtheria etc. so I need any

information I can get to make my decision.

>

> My husband thinks I am crazy and he can not see a problem to

vaccinate the kids but my 2 year old boy is unfortunately allergic

to all cow´s milk products and that is a big issue for my not to do

this.

> Also my 5 year old had speech problems after his last MMR, it was

like he was drunk and now after years his speech is finally getting

better.

> When I asked our German doctor about this she said he is immature

and it has nothing to do with the shot!

>

> Our ped here in the US accept my decision not to vaccinate (maybe

he thinks I am a crazy European) but I really don´t like to go to

any doctor at all.

> The last time I was there he recommended cereals for a 4 month old

baby to improve his iron.

> I told him I only want to breastfeed the first year but he was

concerned that the baby is not getting enough vitamins and minerals.

> He said my boy is a really big baby (he was 10 lb 15 when he was

born, unfortunately hypoglycemic and had to stay 9 days in the NICU

before we could bring him home) and he needs more then just milk!?

> Anyway I still nurse him and we are both happy!!

>

> My other big problem is that our visa is running out this year and

to getting a green card normally you must have all the shots.

> I had a big fight about this with my husband because he can´t

understand my position .

> As I mentioned vaccinations are no problem for him and if the only

reason not getting the green card is vaccination he wants the kids

to have them.

> I really hope I can find a way but what if the only way is going

back to Germany!?

>

> I hope everyone can understand my pathetic English .

>

> Tatjana

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Fran,

You are sort of in my area.. ( list ma)

We live about 75 miles straight west of ville!

Lucinda

Introduction

My name is Fran Wolfe-. I'm 31 years old and happily married. We

recently purchased five acres in rural Florida and build a house on it. I've

made bath and body products before, but this is the first time in quite a

while that I've had room to do so again. We're thinking of establishing a

local line of naturally made bath and body products under the farm's name

(Foxfire Farm) which we can market at the local flea markets. Monetary gain

aside, I love making my own products and look forward to using them. This

is the first time in quite a few years that I've had a tub large enough for

me to use bath products with.

Fran Wolfe-

ville, FL

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* -----Original Message-----

* From: Pat [mailto:pturner1@...]

* My name is Pat, I live in coastal Georgia Between Savannah

* and Brunswick .

Hi, Pat!

We're practically neighbors; I live in ville, Florida --- about two

hours away from the Savannah/Brunswick area.

Fran Wolfe-

ville, FL

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[Guest guest]

Cool.

Introduction

Dear

I'm the managing editor of Child and Adolescent Mental Health in Primary

Care (CAMHiPC), published by PriMHE. Manning has pointed me in the

direction of your excellent group. I am interested in knowing about the

current/topical issues affecting health visitors and school nurses in

relation to CAMH would also welcome feedback from your members about the

issues that HVs and SNs would like to see discussed in such a journal.

Regards,

Fiona McGuinness

[Guest guest]

In our area HVs are now working with Solihull psychotherapeutic intervention

tool on Tier 1/2 to reduce the load and share ('Liberating the Talents') the

work overload currently experienced by CAMHS. We are also working towards

psychotherapeutic input by HVs to reduce the Community Paediatrician work

load on constipation and encopresis which is a growing work volume. I would

like to know what other issues or pathways other CAMHS teams are setting up

to reduce the wait times.

Introduction

> Dear

>

> I'm the managing editor of Child and Adolescent Mental Health in Primary

> Care (CAMHiPC), published by PriMHE. Manning has pointed me in the

> direction of your excellent group. I am interested in knowing about the

> current/topical issues affecting health visitors and school nurses in

> relation to CAMH would also welcome feedback from your members about the

> issues that HVs and SNs would like to see discussed in such a journal.

>

> Regards,

>

> Fiona McGuinness

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Simone,

You couldn't have joined a better group. I encourage you to research and learn

all you can about vaccines. I wish I had before I had children. I have five

children and one on the way. My last child is completely unvaxed and what a

world of difference in her development and health compared to my other children!

In fact, my family made note of this at Christmas time and felt that there was a

distinctive difference in her compared to my other children in comparing their

development.

Also, her feeding (she was breastfeed) and sleeping routine was excellent.

I believe that all my children, except for my youngest, were affected to some

degree by vaccines.

I have one child with ASD and another with severe far sightedness--her eyes were

normal and then by age two she started having problems. I am convinced that her

vision problems are a result of a delayed and/or gradual reaction to DPT. (My

homeopath agrees)

Knowing what I know now it would be easier for me to live with my child getting

a disease naturally than to have held their little bodies while a disease

causing poisonous cocktail is injected into them. Everyday now I have to live

with the fact that I subjected them to dangerous vaccine. I know I didn't know

then and trusted the docs., but my heart still aches everyday because I didn't

know and had to learn the hard way.

You do not want to learn the hard way. It will damage the most precious thing

in your life--your child. And you can not go back.

Sincerely,

Lynda Nixon

Introduction

HI Everyone,

I have been a member for some weeks now - and after signing up for Sheris

Homeopathy Class thought I should post an introduction.

My name is Simone - I'm 32 and we live in Baltimore, MD - we being me and DH

Mike, 42. We dont have children yet - but I have been interested for a long

time in the dangers of vaccinating children. The dairy topic actually bought

me out of lurkdom - I avoid dairy where I can as it can also effect

fertility. I believe dairy is a poison in our bodies and can be held

responsible for a number of problems that " we " suffer from - I have articles

somewhere mentioning a particular sugar our bodies cant handle and how this

effects fertility in women. Anyway, thats just my opinion.

Thanks for having me,

Simone

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[Guest guest]

Introduction

>

>

> Dear

>

> I'm the managing editor of Child and Adolescent Mental Health in Primary

> Care (CAMHiPC), published by PriMHE. Manning has pointed me in the

> direction of your excellent group. I am interested in knowing about the

> current/topical issues affecting health visitors and school nurses in

> relation to CAMH would also welcome feedback from your members about the

> issues that HVs and SNs would like to see discussed in such a journal.

>

> Regards,

>

> Fiona McGuinness

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi , Welcome. I have done this in a pinch. I go to the allopathic doc

and get a diagnosis then treat homeopathically. Did this just recently when

my son had croup and the homeopath was out of town. Doc said croup so I went

to the health food store and got croup remedy and he was well by the next

day. Allopathic doc wanted to give him steroid shot!!! Geesh...but they are

good for the yearly eye checks but that is all I use them for.

All the best,

" Parents should decide through informed choice, which vaccines if any should

be

given to their children "

<A HREF= " http://www.theforgotten.com/vaccines/ " > Vaccine Information</A>

[Guest guest]

Welcome !

Congratulations on the impending arrival of your baby.

We took the financial plunge this year and now my 2 children (ages 13 and 11)

and I all are under the care of a homeopath. Unfortunately my children have had

all the " required " vaccinations (except chicken pox) so there are many issues to

deal with in their situation. Your baby will have the advantage of starting

with a cleaner slate, so to speak. Our insurance doesn't cover homeopathy

either (are there any that do??) But I feel it's money well spent to get us all

on the road to healthier living. We have to make some sacrifices along the way,

but I feel it's well worth it. I think most homeopaths are willing to work with

their clients on the financial end. (Mine is VERY reasonable. Money is not

the motivation for what they do...)

Kay

----- Original Message -----

I have just joined this group and would like to introduce myself. I

live in North Carolina and am due with my first child in August.

One of my concerns is that all the holistic doctors and homeopaths

around here are not covered by insurance and are so expensive to go

to. I'd rather go to a homeopath or holistic doctor than to an

allopathic doctor. I am concerned that I will have trouble finding

good care for my son or daughter. Does anyone have any suggestions

on what to do in this regard?

[Guest guest]

,

Hello and welcome to the group. You ask a very good question. I am fairly new

to the group so maybe someone else might have the answer. How do you get a

religious exemption for a baby and do you really need one? I am due with a baby

at the end of March. I requested continuous room in care, as long as all goes

well, to make sure no one goes near my newborn with a dangerous vaccine needle.

My homeopath says I should get a contract? Maybe a lawyer is necessary to make

sure the hospital doesn't do one of those kind favors so to speak. (Inject your

child anyway thinking they are helping the child) Home birth would be the

better way to go, but at my age and I have varicosities, I decided to go to the

hospital.

Lynda

Introduction

Also, I was wondering if anyone knows how to go about getting a

religious exemption for a baby? Do I need to see a lawyer?

I look forward to conversing and learning more with all of you!

[Guest guest]

My insurance pays for my homeopath. I have blue cross blue shield. It may be

because he is a pediatrician turned homeopath and still maintains his medical

license. There may be others like that. Call your insurance and check.

" Parents should decide through informed choice, which vaccines if any should

be

given to their children "

<A HREF= " http://www.theforgotten.com/vaccines/ " > Vaccine Information</A>

[Guest guest]

I told the hospital up front that I did not want any vaccine given to my

baby. At least until he was older. That quieted them down, and gave me more

credibility with them. :-) sometimes I'm just patronizing people. :-) And

somewhere in my paperwork there was a box to check and a signature line to

sign saying I wanted it given to him. So when I got to that part, I made

sure to again tell them I didn't want it. And I didn't sign.

I'm personally finding this much easier than my mom told me it would be. I

know everyone wont, but I do think IDIVIDUALS in the medical field are

lightening up some and realizing that, at the very least, this is america and

no one can force us to do something wee deem uneccesary or dangerous. :-) I

know they still try, but in many cases they have no grounds.

" He was conscious of a thousand odors floating in the air, each one connected

with a thousand thoughts, and hopes, and joys, and cares long, long

forgotten. "

Dickens - A Christmas Carol.

[Guest guest]

,

I sent you a note offlist. I will get the NC info to you today.

hugs!

in Wilmington, NC

[Guest guest]

Also, make sure you have someone designated to be with the baby at all times.

If for some reason they take the baby for a test, bath, whatever...that's often

when I've heard of shots being given without permission.

L.

Proud mom to Autumn 1-13-97 & Zoe 8-8-00

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[Guest guest]

Welcome,

I've only been on for a week now and I really feel at peace now. I've had so

many questions that hadn't been answered for such a long time. Like you the

more I dug the more stunned I became. My family had always been led to think

we had genetic problems. And we believed it like the phrase 'hook, line and

sinker,' (does that fit)? So when something happened we just thought it was

our bad genes. It wasn't until the past seven years when four of the

children in our family reacted to closely to the date of their vaccines (my

sisters son reacted merely 10 hours after his MMR) and have changed

dramatically afterwards that it really sunk in. Autism isn't the only

reaction, one small young cousin only two years old reacted badly and now

suffers severe thrombocytopenia (low platelets of the blood)

We had thought a reaction meant autism but as in everything I read I

discovered that including autism, vaccines were linked to this and other

conditions my family have suffered in the past three generations, multiple

sclerosis, lupus, fibromyaglia, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Guillan Barre

Syndrome, asthma, diabetes, gastrointestinal disorders, anemia, leukemia, and

other cancers, Gulf War Syndrome. It just went on and on.

I did not cry. I relate differently to emotional subjects. I was very

excited that the answers were so simple and right there. The mathematics

just fitting. But my sister, my brother, sister in law and quite a few of my

cousins seemed to cry more and get upset the more we found out.

At least now we are on the right path and are finally united as a family..

Juli ASD (NVLD is too confusing) mother to Nicollette Rett Syndrome w/autism

[Guest guest]

Your story is so tragic.and one I hear more and more!

You have SOME GREAT homeopaths in Wisconsin. Why don't you try that first.

That is certainly what I would do.

http://www.homeopathy-cures.com

click on find a homeopath

and tell me who is near you!

I don't blame you for feeling betrayed................I don't know what I'd

do if were you........it all just makes me sick and I would like to see all

the doctors and people in jail, prsonally!

Sheri

At 01:25 PM 02/27/2003 EST, you wrote:

>Hello!

>

>My name is and I live in Wisconsin. We have three beautiful boys,

ages

>1, 2, and 13. I dove into this issue last August when a friend of mine told

>me about the three exemptions available in our state. I was stunned, as a

>year before I had tried to turn down the chx pox vaccine for our middle son,

>and was told that they had just mandated it for school admission. I

>verbalized to my doctor how uncomfortable I was with that and how I did not

>feel it was necessary. I then stated that I felt I had no choice if I

wanted

>my son to go to school. She just sat there and gave me a blank look, then

>asked me if I wanted all the vaccines.

>

>Well, 4 weeks later my son had a very high fever and a rash. A week after

>that he had the sudden onset of bowel problems, which have persisted now for

>1-1/2 years. My baby was due for his 12 month vaxes the day after my friend

>informed me of the exemptions. I felt so betrayed by my doctor that I

>canceled the appointment and decided that I was going to start digging. And

>dig I did. I stayed up very late for 4 months reading and learning all I

>could. I was shocked at what I found, and cried that I had let them do this

>to my children. My instinct had told me to check into all of these vaccines

>since they had mandated so many more between the birth of my first son, and

>10 years later my second son. Then the chx pox vaccine mandated? It just

>sounded fishy. I felt so guilty that I did not take the time to do this.

>

>My youngest son also has had bowel problems. Our middle son had a remission

>from his bowel problems for two months last summer, but then it came back,

>and our youngest started with the same thing. I am thinking of taking all 3

>boys to Dr. Tenpenny's Clinic in Ohio. It will be a stretch for us

>financially, but I feel that we need to undue some damage.

>

>I now volunteer for the NVIC and am helping to organize a state group here

in

>Wisconsin. I am looking forward to conversing with all of you!

>

>, Wisconsin

>

>

>