Introduction

[Guest guest]

, I agree totally with Kimberley. Cancel any further baby checkups

until you feel better about your facts. I would recommend reading the

following three books:

The Vaccine Guide - Making an informed choice - Randall Neustaedter

What your doctor may NOT tell you about children's vaccines - Cave

and a book which I found very empowering, although written in the 80's is

How to raise a healthy child in spite of your doctor - Dr Mendelsohn

Read these three books and you will be far more informed and secure in your

decisions, until then - I would not take my baby near a doctor who might try

convince me to do something I wasn't informed about.

Keep us updated

Fern and Zoë

Re: Introduction

,

You're okay.....but I think you'll start feeling better once you get this

grasp: You are your child's ultimate authority about what is done to and

with them. Build up some " will power " in knowing that your child is not the

property of your pediatrician or even the government. Remember that your

child depends on you and puts a lot of trust in you 24/7 for their

well-being in all aspects. Doctors are not " god " when it comes to truly

knowing what is best for each individual child. Try VERY hard not to

passively accept the ped's " suggestions. " Hold off on further vaccinations

until you can feel so much more confident in your authoritative position

with your child. You tell that ped that they don't own your child. The

decision to vax or not vax your child is yours an yours alone. Don't give

your pediatrician ANY authority when it comes to your decisions concerning

your child. You take ALL the authority. The purpose of having a

pediatrician is not to be told " you don't know anything about what's good

for your child " or take over your parental rights/authority to ANY degree.

You let him know that. If you have to, raise your voice! Any pediatrician

that gives you any implication that you know nothing, and he knows

everything....IS NOT OUT FOR YOUR CHILD'S BEST INTEREST. You talk down to

him if and when you have to. SHE IS YOUR CHILD.....NOT THEIRS.

Kimberley

[Guest guest]

Hi , nice to meet you. I had to chuckle at the brussel sprouts. My

daughters favorite is broccolli, or little trees as she calls them.

.

H <vaccineinfo@...> wrote:

Hello -

My name is , Mom to 3yr old Grace and 1yr old Aden. My children have

never been vaccinated and have seen a chiropractor since the day they were

born.

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[Guest guest]

my website is an easy read if they will read it!

All the best,

" Parents should decide through informed choice, which vaccines if any should

be

given to their children "

Vaccine Information

[Guest guest]

Thanks I fixed it now!

All the best,

" Parents should decide through informed choice, which vaccines if any should

be

given to their children "

Vaccine Information or vaccinetruth.org

[Guest guest]

hi wendy,

your link doesn't show up as a link here. just thought

i'd let you know.

claudia

--- lovthatlea@... wrote: > my website is an easy

read if they will read it!

>

> All the best,

>

> " Parents should decide through informed choice,

> which vaccines if any should

> be

> given to their children "

> Vaccine Information

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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Welcome!

My husband was initially more into the " science " and I was more concerned

with the morality of it all, but as I researched (and talked his ears off!)

we found that we are both on the same team, so who cares! In the end, bad

science is bad morality, if you ask me.

We are glad you are here, however you got here.

Jami

Naperville, IL

introduction

> My name is and I have 11-month-old b/g twins. They are not

> vaccinated. The reason why I joined this group is because my husband

> and I decided to revisit the issue of vaccines once they were a year

> old. From just reading the little that I have, I am so glad that I

> did not get them vaccinated! I am very lucky in that I have a very

> supportive ped, so I don't have any pressure from that side. I

> actually think having a supportive ped is very out of the ordinary.

> MY husband is also very supportive, but he is not doing any of the

> research like I am. In his mind it's a " number's game. " Is there a

> greater chance of getting the disease or getting a reaction from the

> disease? So I guess that's one of my questions. It also seems that

> from the little reading that I have done, some diseases may be

> beneficial to a child's immune system. Am I correct? Obviously I

> need to do more research, but I would love some input on my first

> two questions.

> Thanks so much,

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi , welcome. You are definately in the right place to get the information

you need.

sderven <sderven@...> wrote:

My name is and I have 11-month-old b/g twins. They are not

vaccinated. The reason why I joined this group is because my husband

and I decided to revisit the issue of vaccines once they were a year

old. From just reading the little that I have, I am so glad that I

did not get them vaccinated! I am very lucky in that I have a very

supportive ped, so I don't have any pressure from that side. I

actually think having a supportive ped is very out of the ordinary.

MY husband is also very supportive, but he is not doing any of the

research like I am. In his mind it's a " number's game. " Is there a

greater chance of getting the disease or getting a reaction from the

disease? So I guess that's one of my questions. It also seems that

from the little reading that I have done, some diseases may be

beneficial to a child's immune system. Am I correct? Obviously I

need to do more research, but I would love some input on my first

two questions.

Thanks so much,

[Guest guest]

Hi Graham,

Welcome to the group. Would you be the same Graham Simpson who worked

with me and Ian Sharpe in Baku about 4-5 years ago. He was ex-navy and

extraordinarily interested in male GU medicine !!!

Owen Donnelly

Nifty Copper Mine, Western Australia

> grahamsimpson@... <grahamsimpson@...> wrote:

>

> Hello,

>

> My name is Graham Simpson. Since leaving the Royal

> Navy in 1993, I have had the great opportunity of

> working on standby vessels, oilrigs, platforms, Diving

> Support Vessels as an Offshore Medic. I am returning

> back offshore this year after a short break and I look

> forward to chatting to some of you soon.

>

> Regards

>

> Graham Simpson

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 09:42:17 +1100,

owen.donnelly@... wrote:

Hi Owen,

Long time no see. Yes, you are correct. I did work

alongside yourself and Ian whilst in Baku. I was on

the local platform with Fuad and Azer, with the

occassional visit to the local oil terminal and your

luxurious offices in Baku.

It has been a while, hope your well and working hard as

always.

Regards

Graham

Hi Graham,

Welcome to the group. Would you be the same Graham

Simpson who worked

with me and Ian Sharpe in Baku about 4-5 years ago. He

was ex-navy and

extraordinarily interested in male GU medicine !!!

Owen Donnelly

Nifty Copper Mine, Western Australia

> >

>

[Guest guest]

A great big WELCOME to Katy and family:

You're gonna love it here on this list! I love the part of your post about

people not believing your children are twins. I had friends in school that

were twins and they didn't look anything like each other either. One was brown

haired and overweight and the other one was blonde and skinny as a rail. No

one believed them either and most of the time the skinny one is the one that

used to get into fights over not being believed (she said she was tired of being

called a 'liar'.) LOL!!

Terry

Mom to Evan, 8, DS and to Kohl, 2, nda

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katy@... writes:

<<

Hi,

I am new to your group, so let me introduce myself. My name is Katy, I am

married and have three children a 6 almost 7 year old son and 4 yr old

twins, and Tyler. Tyler is the one that has DS. We live in Northern

Virginia. It has been very interesting raising the twins, many people don't

believe me that they are twins due to the big size difference.

looks like a 5/6 year old and Tyler is the size of a 2yr old. Tyler has

been very healthy, he did not have any heart problems after birth and except

for speach he is pretty close to doing meeting milestones for 4 yr olds. He

does need to work on some fine motor skills but his hands are so small that

most scissors are to big for him to hold.

Katy

mom to 6, and Tyler (DS) 4. >>

[Guest guest]

welcome to the list, jessica!

you're one courageous woman to think about vaccines

before you even have a child! and i guess your

experience with your critters teaches you how to treat

allopathic medicos. :-) i'd say, simply ignore them.

ignore their demands for " wellbabyvisits " which were

only invented so *they* could jab the little ones.

we haven't seen a medico for years now, except my

husband, who was stupid enough to do so because he was

so desperate to get his knee sorted out so he could

play another season of cricket (some stupid sport in

the UK, similar to baseball).

dd's last visit to one of those smiling serial killers

in white clothing was when she was 7, she's now 14 and

doing better than ever before. ds's last visit was at

his 2 months " well baby " visit when the doc fell out

with me over vaccinating because i laughed at him when

he said that in the UK diphtheria is rampant (i had

been living in the UK until 4 months previously and

surely would know if there were any diphtheria

cases!).

you go girl, follow your heart and read the

information here and don't believe a word! research it

all yourself and you'll come to your own conclusion.

:-)

claudia

--- jessicaanne13 <jessicaanne13@...> wrote: >

Hi everyone--I thought I would take the time to

> introduce myself as I

> joined this group last week. My name is and

> I'm 22 years

> old, living in Atlanta, GA. I became interested in

> the issue of

> vaccinations after I got my first dog almost 2 years

> ago. I was

> searching on the internet for the highest quality

> dog food and from

> there my whole way of looking at the world changed

> pretty

> dramatically. I stumbled across raw feeding/the

> BARF diet which I

> now swear by, and I have the heatlhiest pug in the

> whole world!

> lol. From there I started joining raw diet list

> serves, where I

> started to learn about the vaccination issue.

> Unfortunately, by the

> time I learned there were negative effects to

> vaccines, Tucker had

> already had all of his " puppy shots " (A $99 pkg. I

> could barely

> afford but I had no doubts at the time that I was

> doing the right

> thing!). Since then he has received no additional

> shots, but I have

> received my unfair share of grief from almost every

> vet I've tried to

> talk to about my beleifs on diet & vaccines. I

> finally did find a

> vet who is somewhat more holistic in her beliefs and

> doesn't mind

> that I chose not to vaccinate or feed " dog food, "

> however she's so

> far away from me--I wonder what I would do sometimes

> if I was in an

> emergency situation and had to rush Tucker to a vet

> for whatever

> reason. God knows they'd want vax records and I'm

> scared to death of

> a vet vaccinating my dog without permission, just

> like what happened

> to one person on the list.

> That said, as strong as my beliefs were against

> vaccinating my dog,

> these beliefs only recently started crossing over to

> the human side

> of things when I read Jordan 's boon, Patient

> Heal Thyself,

> which talked about the possible link of his MMR

> vaccine to Chrone's

> disease. This started to worry me in regards to all

> of the

> vaccinations I myself have received: all of the

> regular ones that

> children get, Tetnus and whatever else was required

> before I enrolled

> in University, as well as the req'd vax when I went

> on a Semester at

> Sea in Fall '01. I was 19 at the time and I

> received more

> vaccinations than I can recall (it didn't matter to

> me at the time,

> seemed perfectly safe). I know for a fact I received

> MMR, Hep A & B,

> yellow fever, and I know there were more...

> The main reason I'm here however is to become

> familiarized with the

> facts and uncertainties about vaccinations so that I

> will be able to

> stand behind my decision not to vaccinate any of my

> own children when

> that time comes. It's difficult enough with my dog

> and I know I'm

> going to face 10x the number of challenges with

> children.

> I've enjoyed reading through most of the posts over

> the last week and

> I look forward to learning much more. I'm sure I'll

> remain pretty

> silent in the near future however because all of

> this is a lot to

> take in.

> Thanks for reading:)

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Thank you, Anya, for the welcome. I am fairly new to the natural perfume " arena "

and look forward to learning from this group.

By day, I am a public relations specialist. During the " off hours " I make soap,

creams and the like. I really enjoy it! Thank you for allowing me to be a part

of your group.

Shana Brown

[Guest guest]

I thought I would include some of my goals here so - just another way

to hold myself accountable.

In 4 weeks I will: Weigh 170 lbs and have a body fat % of 37.

In 6 weeks I will: Weigh 167 and have a body fat % of 35

In 8 weeks I will: Weigh 163/33%

In 12 weeks I will: Weigh 157/29%

My ultimate Goal is 130lbs and less then 20% But since I haven't been

below 175 since I graduated Highschool (16 years ago) it's hard to say

what my goal will ultimately be until I get closer to it.

Other then the pure numbers I have other goals:

1) - Terminator Arms. Even under the fat I think I have pretty shaply

arms and I can't wait to see what they look like under all that

2) - Run a Marathon. I started on Tuesday with my marathon running

program. First goal (of course) is to run a 5K but eventually I plan

to run in a Marathon Next August

3) - Six Pack. Yes the ever present 'six pack' goal. Even if it's

only for a day I want to see it... just once

4) Be healthy and happy! One of the biggest motivators for excercise,

for me, is to be able to engage in activities that most people don't

consider... like biking 26 miles, sea kyacking, white water rafting...

(all things I did last year)

5) 10 Pushups, 10 Pullups, 10 Headstand pushups...Yes I dream BIG..

I'm sure there are more goals in there, but that's all I can come up

right now...

[Guest guest]

those are great goals. I like the way you say " i will " . Tony

Robbins would be proud!!

in NZ

C1W9D5

> I thought I would include some of my goals here so - just another

way

> to hold myself accountable.

>

> In 4 weeks I will: Weigh 170 lbs and have a body fat % of 37.

> In 6 weeks I will: Weigh 167 and have a body fat % of 35

> In 8 weeks I will: Weigh 163/33%

> In 12 weeks I will: Weigh 157/29%

>

> My ultimate Goal is 130lbs and less then 20% But since I haven't

been

> below 175 since I graduated Highschool (16 years ago) it's hard to

say

> what my goal will ultimately be until I get closer to it.

>

> Other then the pure numbers I have other goals:

>

> 1) - Terminator Arms. Even under the fat I think I have pretty

shaply

> arms and I can't wait to see what they look like under all that

> 2) - Run a Marathon. I started on Tuesday with my marathon running

> program. First goal (of course) is to run a 5K but eventually I

plan

> to run in a Marathon Next August

> 3) - Six Pack. Yes the ever present 'six pack' goal. Even if it's

> only for a day I want to see it... just once

> 4) Be healthy and happy! One of the biggest motivators for

excercise,

> for me, is to be able to engage in activities that most people don't

> consider... like biking 26 miles, sea kyacking, white water

rafting...

> (all things I did last year)

> 5) 10 Pushups, 10 Pullups, 10 Headstand pushups...Yes I dream BIG..

>

> I'm sure there are more goals in there, but that's all I can come up

> right now...

[Guest guest]

Maybe add

" I will eat clean 6 meals a day 6 days a week "

" I will do 3 HIIT cardio sessions and 3 weight training sessions a

week "

" I will complete 12 weeks "

I used those goals myself because they were independent of the

outcome.

[Guest guest]

Good Points! I do know that I need to focus on what I CAN control

and My actions are controlable, my body's RE-actions are not Still

not setting TANGEABLE goals has been part of why I've 'drifted'

through the winter months.

My current progress pictures are posted - but I WILL be posting new

and improved photos in four weeks!

[Guest guest]

Welcome!

in WI

Introduction

> Hi all,

>

> My name is Martyn, and I'm starting up the BFL challenge with

> my husband. I was into bodybuilding in the 80s long before BFL. Then

> I learned to train from books and going to the gym. I worked out with

> some " big " fellas too, which was a lot of work just changing out

> their plates but it was a blast.

>

> I got pregnant shortly after my " best ever " body comp (13.5 - 14.5%

> for a year), and thought it wouldn't matter what I gained, as it

> would be soooo easy to lose. Ha. I trained throughout the pregnancy

> but my energy was so low I could barely drag myself to work and back,

> let alone climb on my bike. When all was said and done, I'd gained 80

> lbs. Yikes. I had my bodyfat tested after about a month, and it was

> around 54%. I thought I'd die. How on earth could that be possible?

> Yet, there it was.

>

> I took off the weight with a clean diet and working out - all I had

> for equipment was a rickety little 110 lb. weight bench set and my

> trusty Schwinn Air Dyne. It took about nine months to get the weight

> back off, and I've never been under 20% since then. I think I look

> okay, but I'd still like to get back into better shape, so

> I've " dabbled " off and on with my training.

>

> My work is focused on weight loss and sports performance - I'm a

> body/mind therapist, using NLP and EFT techniques (plus what I've

> learned and developed in over 25 years of working on myself).

>

> So I wanted to say hello and send a wave. I officially started

> yesterday - my husband proudly said (after one workout mind you) how

> he could tell a difference! These forums are so great for being to

> join up with like minded people, ask questions, and get motivation

> and support. Just the idea of " putting it out there " that you are

> going to accept a challenge is worthwhile. I encourage any other

> lurkers to come out of hiding ;-)

>

> Here are my before/after pictures from the baby weight. I called it

> the Amazing Shrinking Leotard because I was too poor to buy any new

> workout duds and wore the same stretchy leotard the entire time.

> Eventually I had to throw it away because it had become so stretched

> out - I think it was a Jane Fonda style. LOL.

> http://www.onemorebite-weightloss.com/beforeafter.html

>

>

> http://www.OneMoreBite-Weightloss.com

> Ending Emotional Eating, One Bite at a Time

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Welcome, Bridgett! Thanks for posting!

I'll be interested in knowing how you like Yogalites 2, as I am

finding out, newbie Vidiot that I am, that many of the dvd's

commonly available at Ross or Target for example are too easy. I'm

an aerobics instructor so I need tougher workouts too!

in this group recommended a good one called Power Yoga for

Happiness, and I got my double dvd set in the mail today. I can

hardly wait to try it! Thanks again ! Here is the link:

http://www.vancouveryoga.com/poweryogavideo.html

And there's no shame in Better Sex Through Yoga videos! All formats

are open to discussion. And hey, I have a friend coming next month,

perhaps I should pick up a copy myself and get that chakra opened

up, heh heh!

> Hello everyone,

> My name is Bridgett, and I am a college student, who does not

> always have the time or money for an aerobics class. Exercise

videos

> are perfect for me. Right now , I am working on three different

> ones, and my main goals are flexibility and core strength.

> I am working on Yogalites Level one (by Urla), which

is

> a little too easy for me, because I do a lot of Yoga. I plan on

> buying Level 2, because the workout does seem nice.

> Another video of mine is Taebo Cardio. The workout is

> challenging; however if a person performs the movements

incorreclty,

> the video is not much of a workout. Blanks is so motivating,

> and inspirational.

> The third video is Better Sex Through Yoga Level 2(I hope no

one

> is offended by the name). The moves are semi-challenging for me,

> and I feel that I am gaining the strenth required for yoga, and

more

> flexibility. I will probably move on to the thrid video soon.

> Does anyone have good pilates videos to recommend? There are

so

> many types of pilates, and I do not know the differences.

> Bridgett

[Guest guest]

> Welcome, Bridgett! Thanks for posting!

Hi ,

I think I will try Yoga For Happiness. It sounds like you are

pretty fit, but I am not as in shape. Yoga workouts are easy for me,

but aerobic workouts are not. Hopefully, my Taebo videotape will

help me to get into better aerobic shape. I have begun to order my

videos from Amazon, because I have also had trouble finding good

workout videos in the local stores.

Bridgett

> I'll be interested in knowing how you like Yogalites 2, as I am

> finding out, newbie Vidiot that I am, that many of the dvd's

> commonly available at Ross or Target for example are too easy. I'm

> an aerobics instructor so I need tougher workouts too!

>

> in this group recommended a good one called Power Yoga for

> Happiness, and I got my double dvd set in the mail today. I can

> hardly wait to try it! Thanks again ! Here is the link:

>

> http://www.vancouveryoga.com/poweryogavideo.html

>

> And there's no shame in Better Sex Through Yoga videos! All

formats

> are open to discussion. And hey, I have a friend coming next

month,

> perhaps I should pick up a copy myself and get that chakra opened

> up, heh heh!

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Simon, To be honest as far as I know there are very few positions for Rig

Doctors and I don't know too many doctors who would move in to a rig medics

position without being desperate, however there are positions for project

doctors going out to fill the requirments of ex pats working in remote

locations, usually with a medic on site as well. These are normally the big

projects with lots of ex pats involved. To get in I would advise you contact a

couple of the main agecies for these things which would be Abermed industrial

Doctors, Fran Dey would be a good contact on Tel: 01224 624314, AON in Aberdeen,

can't remember the Tel number, or Expro logistics in Glostershire may be able to

help. As I said the contracts for doctors seem to be a bit scarse but normally

are of a major construction nature.

Best Regards

Ian.

Introduction

Hello, all.

My name is Simon Bloodworth, currently the Regimental Medical Officer for 1st

Battalion Royal Irish Regiment.

I am looking for info on training and employment prospects, primarily for rig

medic work (and rig doctor) for when I get out of the Army.

I wish I had good advice to give on kit et al, but as an ex HM Forces medics can

tell you, I rarely see any good kit to be able to tell you about. If anybody

wants to do a media article on " Crap kit through the ages " , I can tell you a

load......

Regards,

Simon

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Welcome simon, I'm Gaz Rothwell currently at 5 GS in Preston, I was with the

2nd Battalion Irish Rangers in the Eighties, plenty of advice here and ex

squaddies, as well as still serving, Enjoy.

[Guest guest]

hi debbie!!! and dont forget to mention that weight watchers, in addition

to cathe and the firm have made you the woman you are today!! i am

seriously thinking of joining WW. but i havent gotten up the nerve (or the

money) yet.

*~*~*~*~*

Carolyn

RE:

Hi all, my name is Debbie and I just joined this list. I am 38 years old

and in the best shape of my life, thanks to Cathe & the Firm!

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Wow! Debbie Now THAT'S inspiring! A size 4? you give me hope! I

have a good 40 lbs. more to go and I just love hearing these success

stories! You rock, Sistah!

> Hi all, my name is Debbie and I just joined this list. I am 38

years old and

> in the best shape of my life, thanks to Cathe & the Firm! I am 5'

6 " and I'm

> usually at 125 lbs. I wear a size 4 and about two years ago, I

wouldn't have

> believe it, I have NEVER been in a size 4!! I LOVE working out

and I work

> out 6 days a week with one rest day. I am married to a wonderful

man and have

> two step-kids, one is married and the other moved in with his

mother in

> December. It's nice just being us two, I am enjoying it!!!

>

> I'm anxious to get to know everyone and I'm certainly glad

joined

> another fitness list I'm on to tell me about this one! Hi !!!

> ´¨¨)) -:¦:-

> ¸.·´ .·´¨¨))

> ((¸¸.·´ ..·´ -:¦:- Debbie in OH

> -:¦:- ((¸¸.·´*

[Guest guest]

How in the world did I forget to mention WW??? OMG!!! Thank you Carolyn!! I have been on WW for I think a little more then two years and have been at my goal weight for over a year. I still follow the plan, but I leave myself one day to eat what I want.

´¨¨)) -:¦:-¸.·´ .·´¨¨))((¸¸.·´ ..·´ -:¦:- Debbie in OH-:¦:- ((¸¸.·´*

In a message dated 4/30/04 8:53:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time, pvisser@... writes:

hi debbie!!! and dont forget to mention that weight watchers, in additionto cathe and the firm have made you the woman you are today!! i amseriously thinking of joining WW. but i havent gotten up the nerve (or themoney) yet.*~*~*~*~*CarolynRE:Hi all, my name is Debbie and I just joined this list. I am 38 years oldand in the best shape of my life, thanks to Cathe & the Firm!

[Guest guest]

Thanks !!! If I can do it, anyone can. I tell ya, I LOVE FOOD!!! I'm a lot like on Friends.

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In a message dated 4/30/04 10:23:20 AM Pacific Daylight Time, pinkpussycat@... writes:

Wow! Debbie Now THAT'S inspiring! A size 4? you give me hope! I have a good 40 lbs. more to go and I just love hearing these success stories! You rock, Sistah!