Guest guest Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 Hi Heidi- your family sounds very similar in age and " function " to mine I have found that BJ chews his thumb allot and we have given him a rubber " chewie " - a piece of pyhsio therapy blue plastic tubing, and we pin a length of it to his shirt- and when he starts to chew his thumb we direct him to the chewie. We did this because about 2 years ago he chewed both his thumbs bad enough to swell and to puss.....so needless to say we try to discourage him chewing his thumbs Natsha prompted BJ to chew his chewie this morning when she saw him chewing his thumb................... We also find that BJ imitates his sibs allot- but that behaviour will soon pass (((Hugs))) Heidi Kile wrote: > >Hi all! I have been on and off this list for the past 8 years. (Ds) >is 8 yrs old, and in a 3rd grade cross categorical classroom. This year she >is learning to read! I have to remind her to " sound it out " sometimes, but >otherwise she is making progress with her reading! Her two medical >concerns: 1. She has hearing aids 2. Tetralogy of Fallot... she had a >full repair when she was 5 months old. > >Big brother is in 4th grade and will be 10 yrs old in couple of >weeks. Dave & I have been married for almost 13 yrs. I am a stay at home >mom and a PartyLite consultant, Dave is in the Marine Corps... (6 more >years until retirement!). We are currently stationed at the Armed Forces >School of Music in Norfolk, and live in Virginia Beach. > >~Heidi > > > > > > -- Aussie Leis- mum to BJ - 7 - ds, Natasha 2.5 and 1 " He felt that his whole life was some kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it. " (1952 - 2001), " The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 Hi Heidi- your family sounds very similar in age and " function " to mine I have found that BJ chews his thumb allot and we have given him a rubber " chewie " - a piece of pyhsio therapy blue plastic tubing, and we pin a length of it to his shirt- and when he starts to chew his thumb we direct him to the chewie. We did this because about 2 years ago he chewed both his thumbs bad enough to swell and to puss.....so needless to say we try to discourage him chewing his thumbs Natsha prompted BJ to chew his chewie this morning when she saw him chewing his thumb................... We also find that BJ imitates his sibs allot- but that behaviour will soon pass (((Hugs))) Heidi Kile wrote: > >Hi all! I have been on and off this list for the past 8 years. (Ds) >is 8 yrs old, and in a 3rd grade cross categorical classroom. This year she >is learning to read! I have to remind her to " sound it out " sometimes, but >otherwise she is making progress with her reading! Her two medical >concerns: 1. She has hearing aids 2. Tetralogy of Fallot... she had a >full repair when she was 5 months old. > >Big brother is in 4th grade and will be 10 yrs old in couple of >weeks. Dave & I have been married for almost 13 yrs. I am a stay at home >mom and a PartyLite consultant, Dave is in the Marine Corps... (6 more >years until retirement!). We are currently stationed at the Armed Forces >School of Music in Norfolk, and live in Virginia Beach. > >~Heidi > > > > > > -- Aussie Leis- mum to BJ - 7 - ds, Natasha 2.5 and 1 " He felt that his whole life was some kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it. " (1952 - 2001), " The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2005 Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 >The Welsh Harlequin > Ducks are an extremely rare & useful breed we are working to > preserve. Thank YOU for preserving a rare breed and for ditching the monoculture mentality that the corporations are always pushing! ~Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2005 Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 Patti, thanks for the continuing introduction and invitation to come to the country! When's dinner? No, just kidding, but really: What a swell idea. Pretty tempting actually. It's AMAZING how much organic and sustainable ag food we are bringing into the TC area these days. I'm pretty happy about it. Thanks so much for coming into our lives. Looks like we will be needing more duck eggs. I guess this is still a trial period but all your eggs got eaten! The last eggs went today and I could have used more. I'll pop for another 6 dozen and then rely on everyone here to come pick them up. We can discuss delivery by e-mail perhaps. Note to all: Darren did find us tonight, his timing was great, he got to join our every Wedensday night PIZZA NIGHT and I have to say he is one delightful person. None of us recognized him, he looks so different on his TV show " Bewitched " . Anyway he's a charming and interesting young man and a welcome addition to the Trad-Foods group! Darren will be giving a presentation soon in our Trad-Foods lecture series around the issues of Aurevedic Nutrition. Will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 Dear Will and Rebekah, Thanks again for the pizza and I had a blast! I will be ordering Sally Fallon's book soon and am excited to read it. My Mother and I will start working on the Aurevedic Nutrition presentation and think all will find it interesting. If anyone has questions feel free to ask as I am learning about Aurvedic Nutrition myself. I am going Ice Fishing this weekend and hope to cacth lots of nutrient rich fresh fish or at least a break from the three jobs. I hope everyone has a great weekend and looking forward to chatting soon. P.S. I definitely want to get some of those duck eggs next time and rebekah, (I think thats how you spell it, tell me if I'm wrong) the brownies were amazing! Thanks again, Darren s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Hi Naomi, Welcome to the group. I am sure you will find a huge amount of support and encouragement here for your views and opinions. I'm Sue, in the UK, mum to dd Robyn who's now 7 and completely unvaxed, nor Vitamin K. Decided before she was born that was the way we were going and only feel more grateful that we made that decision with every day that goes past. Here in the UK there is no mandatory vaccination - at present - but there is nevertheless immense pressure from health professionals to get babies vaxed. Most comes from good intentions - and we know what they say about the Road to Hell! - but it is also money-driven because doctors are financially rewarded to quite a hefty level for high vaccination rates. Maybe it's easier for me than others here - I am an older mum who is definitely a rebel and bucks the system wherever I can (!), I had all the childhood illnesses (including pertussis, despite being vaxed) with no ill-effects and all my friends had them too, I have a (vaccine-damaged) husband who is 100% supportive of not vaxing, and I am a practising aromatherapist and reflexologist, and student classical homoeopath so I know I have nothing to fear from these *vaccine preventable* dis-eases. But even so, at times it's hard to stick to your guns when everyone around you is berating you for your *irresponsibility*. In actual fact, you are taking the most responsible step it is possible for a parent to take in protecting the future health and welfare of your baby. Do urge your husband to read and research on this subject as much as he possibly can, and to keep an open mind until he can make a truly *informed* decision. Once the vaxes are given, they can't be taken back. I think it's a good compromise at this stage to hold off until one year, but hopefully in that year he will truly be able to realise that there is nothing good about vaccination, nor anything effective. Nor anything safe - and the damage doesn't need to be immediately apparent. Not sure if you're planning to breastfeed or not - I know you'll get great support in Australia if you do - but that is your best starting point in the quest for good health for your child. Enjoy the list - there are some wonderful folk here. Love, light and peace, Sue " As well consult a butcher on the value of vegetarianism as a doctor on the worth of vaccination. " - Bernard Shaw > Introduction > > > > > I am 7 months pregnant. I live in Australia. And I > panicked a couple of months ago, when I found out that > Australian babies are being vaccinated for Hep B at > birth, as a matter of course. > > Things are calming down a bit. I have refused > permission for the Hep B vaccine - my baby has no risk > factors (except possibly the hospital it will be born > in - and a vaccine won't do anything about that > anyway). I'm a little concerned that the hospital will > ignore my wishes - but I will keep you informed. > > Unfortunately, husband and I disagree on vaccinations, and our > compromise is that the baby will receive selected > vaccinations at no younger than about 12 months... > MMR, as it stands here will not be administered at any stage. > > I have located a paediatrician who is a 'vaccination > specialist': he refuses point blank to administer the > MMR, and strongly recommends that babies don't begin a > vaccination programme until 12 months, and tends to > separate out the DTP. A lot of the things that made > sense to me before I had heard about him. > > I have a Bachelor of Science in Ecology, and even if > they could create the 'perfect' vaccine (which they can't) > I still think it is the wrong way to go. People (including > the majority of medical professionals) do not seem to > understand the role of disease on populations and > individuals. > > I have already been called a 'bad mother' > because of this decision. That won't change my mind > - but it doesn't make me feel good. I am looking forward to finding > people who feel similarly, as I can't tell you how alone I feel at the > moment. > > Cheers > > Naomi > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Hi Naomi You are not alone, there is lots of us who think the same way as you. I am Australian also but currently living in France. I have 3 totally unvaxed children, (aged 10, 8 and 5), they are all healthy and happy. Stick to your guns about the Hep B, all my children were homebirths so I never had this problem, but I think it may help to have your refusal on paper, have you written a birth plan at all? I hope in the 12 months you have chosen to delay the vaxes that you are able to convince your husband to not vax at all. Good luck, this is a great place to start! Best wishes, Debbie > > I am 7 months pregnant. I live in Australia. And I > panicked a couple of months ago, when I found out that > Australian babies are being vaccinated for Hep B at > birth, as a matter of course. > > Things are calming down a bit. I have refused > permission for the Hep B vaccine - my baby has no risk > factors (except possibly the hospital it will be born > in - and a vaccine won't do anything about that > anyway). I'm a little concerned that the hospital will > ignore my wishes - but I will keep you informed. > > Unfortunately, husband and I disagree on vaccinations, and our > compromise is that the baby will receive selected > vaccinations at no younger than about 12 months... > MMR, as it stands here will not be administered at any stage. > > I have located a paediatrician who is a 'vaccination > specialist': he refuses point blank to administer the > MMR, and strongly recommends that babies don't begin a > vaccination programme until 12 months, and tends to > separate out the DTP. A lot of the things that made > sense to me before I had heard about him. > > I have a Bachelor of Science in Ecology, and even if > they could create the 'perfect' vaccine (which they can't) > I still think it is the wrong way to go. People (including > the majority of medical professionals) do not seem to > understand the role of disease on populations and > individuals. > > I have already been called a 'bad mother' > because of this decision. That won't change my mind > - but it doesn't make me feel good. I am looking forward to finding > people who feel similarly, as I can't tell you how alone I feel at the > moment. > > Cheers > > Naomi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 I believe that if the Heb B vacc was totally safe and ethical there would be no need to have a signed consent. Signatures are usually there to protect the hospital/docs/nurses in case something goes wrong. Do you know what the wording is on the form? Also, it sounds like your doctor would back you up on the refusal, if he will be there for your delivery he can state the refusal right there. Have you seen the vaccine package insert? Courage my love Maya On 24-Jan-05, at 12:33 AM, galah_1@... wrote: > > I am 7 months pregnant. I live in Australia. And I > panicked a couple of months ago, when I found out that > Australian babies are being vaccinated for Hep B at > birth, as a matter of course. > > Things are calming down a bit. I have refused > permission for the Hep B vaccine - my baby has no risk > factors (except possibly the hospital it will be born > in - and a vaccine won't do anything about that > anyway). I'm a little concerned that the hospital will > ignore my wishes - but I will keep you informed. > > Unfortunately, husband and I disagree on vaccinations, and our > compromise is that the baby will receive selected > vaccinations at no younger than about 12 months... > MMR, as it stands here will not be administered at any stage. > > I have located a paediatrician who is a 'vaccination > specialist': he refuses point blank to administer the > MMR, and strongly recommends that babies don't begin a > vaccination programme until 12 months, and tends to > separate out the DTP. A lot of the things that made > sense to me before I had heard about him. > > I have a Bachelor of Science in Ecology, and even if > they could create the 'perfect' vaccine (which they can't) > I still think it is the wrong way to go. People (including > the majority of medical professionals) do not seem to > understand the role of disease on populations and > individuals. > > I have already been called a 'bad mother' > because of this decision. That won't change my mind > - but it doesn't make me feel good. I am looking forward to finding > people who feel similarly, as I can't tell you how alone I feel at the > moment. > > Cheers > > Naomi > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Welcome Naomi. this is a great group. Introduction > > > I am 7 months pregnant. I live in Australia. And I > panicked a couple of months ago, when I found out that > Australian babies are being vaccinated for Hep B at > birth, as a matter of course. > > Things are calming down a bit. I have refused > permission for the Hep B vaccine - my baby has no risk > factors (except possibly the hospital it will be born > in - and a vaccine won't do anything about that > anyway). I'm a little concerned that the hospital will > ignore my wishes - but I will keep you informed. > > Unfortunately, husband and I disagree on vaccinations, and our > compromise is that the baby will receive selected > vaccinations at no younger than about 12 months... > MMR, as it stands here will not be administered at any stage. > > I have located a paediatrician who is a 'vaccination > specialist': he refuses point blank to administer the > MMR, and strongly recommends that babies don't begin a > vaccination programme until 12 months, and tends to > separate out the DTP. A lot of the things that made > sense to me before I had heard about him. > > I have a Bachelor of Science in Ecology, and even if > they could create the 'perfect' vaccine (which they can't) > I still think it is the wrong way to go. People (including > the majority of medical professionals) do not seem to > understand the role of disease on populations and > individuals. > > I have already been called a 'bad mother' > because of this decision. That won't change my mind > - but it doesn't make me feel good. I am looking forward to finding > people who feel similarly, as I can't tell you how alone I feel at the > moment. > > Cheers > > Naomi > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Gosh Naomi. See from the numbers here how many people feel the same and have healthy unvaxed children, and ask a vaccine damaged babys mother how bad she feels! Don't listen to people who bad mouth you, they are to ignorant or easily led to find out for themselves, doesn't mean you have to do the same. My daughters unvaxed and 20 months and totally well. never had anything yet. Dh was worried at first, tended to recite official things with no understanding, but being a scientist he had to see the scientific way of analysing things and admit i had valid points. If you need to do something then definately wait till the 12 months and go with selected combos/part vaxing - question everything. bw A (uk) In Vaccinations , galah_1@y... wrote: > > I am 7 months pregnant. I live in Australia. And I > panicked a couple of months ago, when I found out that > Australian babies are being vaccinated for Hep B at > birth, as a matter of course. > > Things are calming down a bit. I have refused > permission for the Hep B vaccine - my baby has no risk > factors (except possibly the hospital it will be born > in - and a vaccine won't do anything about that > anyway). I'm a little concerned that the hospital will > ignore my wishes - but I will keep you informed. > > Unfortunately, husband and I disagree on vaccinations, and our > compromise is that the baby will receive selected > vaccinations at no younger than about 12 months... > MMR, as it stands here will not be administered at any stage. > > I have located a paediatrician who is a 'vaccination > specialist': he refuses point blank to administer the > MMR, and strongly recommends that babies don't begin a > vaccination programme until 12 months, and tends to > separate out the DTP. A lot of the things that made > sense to me before I had heard about him. > > I have a Bachelor of Science in Ecology, and even if > they could create the 'perfect' vaccine (which they can't) > I still think it is the wrong way to go. People (including > the majority of medical professionals) do not seem to > understand the role of disease on populations and > individuals. > > I have already been called a 'bad mother' > because of this decision. That won't change my mind > - but it doesn't make me feel good. I am looking forward to finding > people who feel similarly, as I can't tell you how alone I feel at the > moment. > > Cheers > > Naomi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 i think it's fairly 'normal' for the male partners to take longer to come around... there are quite a few of us here whose husbands/partners were opposed to not vaccinating. most of them do come around, if only for the reason that the mother does most of the research and intimidates him with her knew found knowledge ;-) ignorant people will call you a bad mother for all sorts of reasons, but they ALL come down to fear on their part, because THEY are not sure whether they are doing the right thing... you'll get over that one eventually, but in the meantime, it might be helpful if you ask them 'and why exactly do you say that?' you may find that most of them loose confidence and either turn away or start stuttering. some will give you some half-hearted reason which no doubt you'll be able to dispel with your knowledge. keep reading, read as much research as you can stomach and take their conclusions apart. if you have a gut feeling about connections between different vaccine ingredients, go to pubmed and search to find what you're looking for. i totally understand that it doesn't make you feel good to be called a bad parent (been there...), but you will get over it, after a while it won't affect you, simply because you know, deep within as well as with your knowledge that those people are afraid of you and therefore attack you in the only way they know. it simply scares people who follow the mainstream ways that there are some who question things that are considered 'good' or 'healthy' and they automatically go into attack mode. we stopped vaccinating a long time ago, my youngest (7) has never been to school, we don't buy into the religion of medicine. we still get attacked, yes, but we manage to live peacefully and with a clear conscience. and that clear conscience is more important to both my husband and me than the approval of the sheople. :-) claudia p.s. you do have great resources in oz! there are the AVN (australian vaccination network) and there is viera scheibner, one of our time's greatest medical researchers. if she ever gives a talk near you, go see her, her talks are worth every second! > In Vaccinations , galah_1@y... > wrote: > > > > I am 7 months pregnant. I live in Australia. And > I > > panicked a couple of months ago, when I found out > that > > Australian babies are being vaccinated for Hep B > at > > birth, as a matter of course. > > > > Things are calming down a bit. I have refused > > permission for the Hep B vaccine - my baby has no > risk > > factors (except possibly the hospital it will be > born > > in - and a vaccine won't do anything about that > > anyway). I'm a little concerned that the hospital > will > > ignore my wishes - but I will keep you informed. > > > > Unfortunately, husband and I disagree on > vaccinations, and our > > compromise is that the baby will receive selected > > vaccinations at no younger than about 12 months... > > MMR, as it stands here will not be administered at > any stage. > > > > I have located a paediatrician who is a > 'vaccination > > specialist': he refuses point blank to administer > the > > MMR, and strongly recommends that babies don't > begin a > > vaccination programme until 12 months, and tends > to > > separate out the DTP. A lot of the things that > made > > sense to me before I had heard about him. > > > > I have a Bachelor of Science in Ecology, and even > if > > they could create the 'perfect' vaccine (which > they can't) > > I still think it is the wrong way to go. People > (including > > the majority of medical professionals) do not seem > to > > understand the role of disease on populations and > > individuals. > > > > I have already been called a 'bad mother' > > because of this decision. That won't change my > mind > > - but it doesn't make me feel good. I am looking > forward to > finding > > people who feel similarly, as I can't tell you how > alone I feel at > the > > moment. > > > > Cheers > > > > Naomi > > > > ===== http://www.himalayasalt.co.uk http://www.he-ed.org.uk " We shall no longer hang on to the tails of public opinion or to a non- existent authority on matters utterly unknown and strange. We shall gradually become experts ourselves in the mastery of the knowledge of the Future. " Wilhelm Reich ___________________________________________________________ ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 > Do urge your husband to read and research on this subject as much as he > possibly can, and to keep an open mind until he can make a truly *informed* > decision. Once the vaxes are given, they can't be taken back. I think it's > a good compromise at this stage to hold off until one year, but hopefully in > that year he will truly be able to realise that there is nothing good about > vaccination, nor anything effective. Nor anything safe - and the damage > doesn't need to be immediately apparent. This is the bane of my life. He won't read any of the stuff I show him, he won't even look in the Mims (Australia's list of drugs and what's in them). I congratulated him one day on keeping an open mind... and then we fought, because he made it completely apparent that his mind was not open - he was just letting 'me have my way'. I'd give anything to hear him say, " Under no circumstance will I inject (or consent to the injection of) Mercury into my baby. " > Not sure if you're planning to breastfeed or not - I know you'll get great > support in Australia if you do - but that is your best starting point in the > quest for good health for your child. Like diseases, I am concerned that most people don't understand the role of breastfeeding in populations and the advantages that have evolved for both mother and baby. If all goes well, and I expect that it will - I will be breastfeeding. Thanks for your support! Cheers Naomi (Australia) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Hi Naomi, Im an Aussie too. 6 months pregnant. I wasn't aware they had introduced Hep B at birth. Thanks for bringing it up. I don't expect to have anything done that I don't approve of, but it is always good to be ready for the worst. And you are not alone anymore. Plenty of people here to give you support in your decision. . Proserpine Qld galah_1@... wrote: I am 7 months pregnant. I live in Australia. And I panicked a couple of months ago, when I found out that Australian babies are being vaccinated for Hep B at birth, as a matter of course. Things are calming down a bit. I have refused permission for the Hep B vaccine - my baby has no risk factors (except possibly the hospital it will be born in - and a vaccine won't do anything about that anyway). I'm a little concerned that the hospital will ignore my wishes - but I will keep you informed. Unfortunately, husband and I disagree on vaccinations, and our compromise is that the baby will receive selected vaccinations at no younger than about 12 months... MMR, as it stands here will not be administered at any stage. I have located a paediatrician who is a 'vaccination specialist': he refuses point blank to administer the MMR, and strongly recommends that babies don't begin a vaccination programme until 12 months, and tends to separate out the DTP. A lot of the things that made sense to me before I had heard about him. I have a Bachelor of Science in Ecology, and even if they could create the 'perfect' vaccine (which they can't) I still think it is the wrong way to go. People (including the majority of medical professionals) do not seem to understand the role of disease on populations and individuals. I have already been called a 'bad mother' because of this decision. That won't change my mind - but it doesn't make me feel good. I am looking forward to finding people who feel similarly, as I can't tell you how alone I feel at the moment. Cheers Naomi --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Happy to give the heads up, . We only found out because we went to a parenting class. I'd also like to point out, that about a month ago I told a hospital midwife that we didn't want the Hep B vaccine. And she told me to 'bring in my research' when I was coming in in labour, so I could discuss it with the hospital then. I pointed out to her that it was a bullying tactic. I was there 3 months before labour 'open' to discuss the matter in a calm and unpressed manner. And their insistance on discussing it at such an emotional/ hormonal and exhausting moment was - unfair. She just shrugged and told me to 'bring in my paperwork' to the delivery. I didn't know about the 'friendly' paeditrician at that point, but I will be telling the hospital we have a paeditrician who will be handling all our vaccinations. The hospital now has on file a signed document by both me and dh stating that we do not consent to the Hep B vaccine being given to the baby. Hubby is under strict instructions to stay with the baby at all times in the hospital (which, I was pleased to learn is also the hospital's preferrence). I have another midwives' appointment today, and I am hoping I can put all this to rest. Naomi NSW, Australia > Hi Naomi, Im an Aussie too. 6 months pregnant. I wasn't aware they had introduced Hep B at birth. Thanks for bringing it up. I don't expect to have anything done that I don't approve of, but it is always good to be ready for the worst. And you are not alone anymore. Plenty of people here to give you support in your decision. > . > Proserpine Qld Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Hi Naomi. You are not alone with this group. Letting our daughter get the Hep-B vaccine at birth' and further thimerosal-based vaacine later, was the biggest mistake my wife and I ever made. It is better to be safe and have a few nuts saying bad things about you than to have your child suffer a lifetime of mercury-induced autism. Thimerosal destroyed our daughter's life. If we had known then that vaccines contain poisons we never would have allowed our daughter to be vaccinated. Count your blessings and avoid the thimerosal at all costs! Tim, Rose, and Sheryl. Re: Introduction Gosh Naomi. See from the numbers here how many people feel the same and have healthy unvaxed children, and ask a vaccine damaged babys mother how bad she feels! Don't listen to people who bad mouth you, they are to ignorant or easily led to find out for themselves, doesn't mean you have to do the same. My daughters unvaxed and 20 months and totally well. never had anything yet. Dh was worried at first, tended to recite official things with no understanding, but being a scientist he had to see the scientific way of analysing things and admit i had valid points. If you need to do something then definately wait till the 12 months and go with selected combos/part vaxing - question everything. bw A (uk) In Vaccinations , galah_1@y... wrote: > > I am 7 months pregnant. I live in Australia. And I > panicked a couple of months ago, when I found out that > Australian babies are being vaccinated for Hep B at > birth, as a matter of course. > > Things are calming down a bit. I have refused > permission for the Hep B vaccine - my baby has no risk > factors (except possibly the hospital it will be born > in - and a vaccine won't do anything about that > anyway). I'm a little concerned that the hospital will > ignore my wishes - but I will keep you informed. > > Unfortunately, husband and I disagree on vaccinations, and our > compromise is that the baby will receive selected > vaccinations at no younger than about 12 months... > MMR, as it stands here will not be administered at any stage. > > I have located a paediatrician who is a 'vaccination > specialist': he refuses point blank to administer the > MMR, and strongly recommends that babies don't begin a > vaccination programme until 12 months, and tends to > separate out the DTP. A lot of the things that made > sense to me before I had heard about him. > > I have a Bachelor of Science in Ecology, and even if > they could create the 'perfect' vaccine (which they can't) > I still think it is the wrong way to go. People (including > the majority of medical professionals) do not seem to > understand the role of disease on populations and > individuals. > > I have already been called a 'bad mother' > because of this decision. That won't change my mind > - but it doesn't make me feel good. I am looking forward to finding > people who feel similarly, as I can't tell you how alone I feel at the > moment. > > Cheers > > Naomi ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Dear Tim, Thanks for your encouragement. My heart goes out to you. I find it unbelievable that the midwife I first discussed this with - started by telling me that she didn't even know there was Mercury in the vaccines. (How can they be so obsessed with vaccinations and so anti-anti-vaccine when they know so little about it?) And then she moved on to ask me - and it wasn't the first time I had come across this question: " Don't you eat fish? " I sometimes wish I could answer that question with " No, I'm a vegetarian. " Unfortunately, I answered it with, " Yes, but I minimise my mercury intake that way - by choosing 'clean fish' and removing any visible mercury. " But I will in future be answering with, " Tell me you can see the difference between an adult ingesting some mercury and a baby being injected with it? " I am grateful to this website, already - you can't imagine how nice it is to hear that I am doing the right thing. But I was going to stick to this - nothing, but nothing is more important to me than my baby. Not fitting in, not having an easy life or even avoiding such labels as 'bad mother'... No vaccines with mercury! Cheers Naomi NSW, Australia > Hi Naomi. You are not alone with this group. Letting our daughter get the Hep-B vaccine at birth' and further thimerosal-based vaacine later, was the biggest mistake my wife and I ever made. It is better to be safe and have a few nuts saying bad things about you than to have your child suffer a lifetime of mercury-induced autism. Thimerosal destroyed our daughter's life. If we had known then that vaccines contain poisons we never would have allowed our daughter to be vaccinated. Count your blessings and avoid the thimerosal at all costs! Tim, Rose, and Sheryl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 Boy! You are in the RIGHT place!! You will LOVE it here. When Hannah (now 5) was born, the people on this list saved my sanity and literally saved Hannah's life!! Thanks to some really astute readers on the list, Hannah was sent to a different doctor and her heart defect correctly diagnosed. I can't tell you how much I LOVE the people on this list. I'm very happy that you found us!! Connie Mom to Hannah and a bunch of other hooligans In a message dated 2/21/2005 11:52:10 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, gygls73@... writes: Hello there! My name is Nina. I'm wife to Mark, mom to Tiana age 9 and Ashlee age 6 (CwDS). I am so glad I found this group. Let me explain a bit. My pregnancy was great with Ashlee. All tests were normal. In fact I worked up to the day before I had her. Delivery was fine (if you call being induced fine). At right after Ashlee was born she stuck her tongue out. The doctor also noticed a fatty fold on the back of her neck. So tests were ordered. At Ashlee's 2 week check up I was ushered into a very small room. And I was informed that Ashlee has DS. The shock hit and I sat in a daze for almost 6 months. Unfortunately for me. I had a student doctor. I didn't know about any of the EI programs until after Ashlee was 6 months old. I basically slipped through the cracks you could say. But once I found out. Ashlee has had all the programs I could find. And she is a handful. She's my little ball of fire. Constantly on the go. And she doesn't stop for anyone. So here I am. Mom to a 9 year old who suddenly is talking like a teenager. This I am not ready for at all. And my 6 year old has a thing for taking everything out of her toybox, putting it back in, just to take it out again. I just moved to Nebraska from Washington state a year ago. And I just got my internet service back. So if I gave the impression that I am lonely, I am. The town I live in is like living back in the day when you don't discuss disabilities with anyone. So I really don't have anyone out here I can talk with. Or discuss my worries with. Honestly, I hope I can do that here. Thanks for listening. Nina Wife to Mark, Mom to Tiana age 9 and Ashlee age 6 CwDS www.geocities.com/gygls73 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 Boy! You are in the RIGHT place!! You will LOVE it here. When Hannah (now 5) was born, the people on this list saved my sanity and literally saved Hannah's life!! Thanks to some really astute readers on the list, Hannah was sent to a different doctor and her heart defect correctly diagnosed. I can't tell you how much I LOVE the people on this list. I'm very happy that you found us!! Connie Mom to Hannah and a bunch of other hooligans In a message dated 2/21/2005 11:52:10 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, gygls73@... writes: Hello there! My name is Nina. I'm wife to Mark, mom to Tiana age 9 and Ashlee age 6 (CwDS). I am so glad I found this group. Let me explain a bit. My pregnancy was great with Ashlee. All tests were normal. In fact I worked up to the day before I had her. Delivery was fine (if you call being induced fine). At right after Ashlee was born she stuck her tongue out. The doctor also noticed a fatty fold on the back of her neck. So tests were ordered. At Ashlee's 2 week check up I was ushered into a very small room. And I was informed that Ashlee has DS. The shock hit and I sat in a daze for almost 6 months. Unfortunately for me. I had a student doctor. I didn't know about any of the EI programs until after Ashlee was 6 months old. I basically slipped through the cracks you could say. But once I found out. Ashlee has had all the programs I could find. And she is a handful. She's my little ball of fire. Constantly on the go. And she doesn't stop for anyone. So here I am. Mom to a 9 year old who suddenly is talking like a teenager. This I am not ready for at all. And my 6 year old has a thing for taking everything out of her toybox, putting it back in, just to take it out again. I just moved to Nebraska from Washington state a year ago. And I just got my internet service back. So if I gave the impression that I am lonely, I am. The town I live in is like living back in the day when you don't discuss disabilities with anyone. So I really don't have anyone out here I can talk with. Or discuss my worries with. Honestly, I hope I can do that here. Thanks for listening. Nina Wife to Mark, Mom to Tiana age 9 and Ashlee age 6 CwDS www.geocities.com/gygls73 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 Would you believe Kansas City was originally called Possum Trot? Sure glad that didn't stick. I'd like Pickleville better. Jessie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 Would you believe Kansas City was originally called Possum Trot? Sure glad that didn't stick. I'd like Pickleville better. Jessie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 Hi Mandy! I live in Bladen. It's about 47 miles south of Hastings. HAve you heard of it? I heard it was originally called " Pickleville " . ( I thought my in laws were kidding when they told me that.) Nina Wife to Mark and mom to Tiana age 9 and Ashlee age 6 www.geocities.com/gygls73 hisfirstwife <hisfirstwife@...> wrote: Nina- Hello - and welcome!! I see you live in Nebraska too!! We are on a farm by Verdigre (Northeast NE) What town do you live in? Mandy mom to 4 under 5 -- In , " gygls73 " wrote: > > Hello there! My name is Nina. I'm wife to Mark, mom to Tiana age 9 > and Ashlee age 6 (CwDS). I am so glad I found this group. Let me > explain a bit. > > My pregnancy was great with Ashlee. All tests were normal. In fact I > worked up to the day before I had her. Delivery was fine (if you > call being induced fine). At right after Ashlee was born she stuck > her tongue out. The doctor also noticed a fatty fold on the back of > her neck. So tests were ordered. At Ashlee's 2 week check up I was > ushered into a very small room. And I was informed that Ashlee has > DS. The shock hit and I sat in a daze for almost 6 months. > > Unfortunately for me. I had a student doctor. I didn't know about > any of the EI programs until after Ashlee was 6 months old. I > basically slipped through the cracks you could say. But once I found > out. Ashlee has had all the programs I could find. And she is a > handful. She's my little ball of fire. Constantly on the go. And she > doesn't stop for anyone. > > So here I am. Mom to a 9 year old who suddenly is talking like a > teenager. This I am not ready for at all. And my 6 year old has a > thing for taking everything out of her toybox, putting it back in, > just to take it out again. > > I just moved to Nebraska from Washington state a year ago. And I > just got my internet service back. So if I gave the impression that > I am lonely, I am. The town I live in is like living back in the day > when you don't discuss disabilities with anyone. So I really don't > have anyone out here I can talk with. Or discuss my worries with. > Honestly, I hope I can do that here. Thanks for listening. > > Nina Wife to Mark, Mom to Tiana age 9 and Ashlee age 6 CwDS > www.geocities.com/gygls73 __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 Hi Mandy! I live in Bladen. It's about 47 miles south of Hastings. HAve you heard of it? I heard it was originally called " Pickleville " . ( I thought my in laws were kidding when they told me that.) Nina Wife to Mark and mom to Tiana age 9 and Ashlee age 6 www.geocities.com/gygls73 hisfirstwife <hisfirstwife@...> wrote: Nina- Hello - and welcome!! I see you live in Nebraska too!! We are on a farm by Verdigre (Northeast NE) What town do you live in? Mandy mom to 4 under 5 -- In , " gygls73 " wrote: > > Hello there! My name is Nina. I'm wife to Mark, mom to Tiana age 9 > and Ashlee age 6 (CwDS). I am so glad I found this group. Let me > explain a bit. > > My pregnancy was great with Ashlee. All tests were normal. In fact I > worked up to the day before I had her. Delivery was fine (if you > call being induced fine). At right after Ashlee was born she stuck > her tongue out. The doctor also noticed a fatty fold on the back of > her neck. So tests were ordered. At Ashlee's 2 week check up I was > ushered into a very small room. And I was informed that Ashlee has > DS. The shock hit and I sat in a daze for almost 6 months. > > Unfortunately for me. I had a student doctor. I didn't know about > any of the EI programs until after Ashlee was 6 months old. I > basically slipped through the cracks you could say. But once I found > out. Ashlee has had all the programs I could find. And she is a > handful. She's my little ball of fire. Constantly on the go. And she > doesn't stop for anyone. > > So here I am. Mom to a 9 year old who suddenly is talking like a > teenager. This I am not ready for at all. And my 6 year old has a > thing for taking everything out of her toybox, putting it back in, > just to take it out again. > > I just moved to Nebraska from Washington state a year ago. And I > just got my internet service back. So if I gave the impression that > I am lonely, I am. The town I live in is like living back in the day > when you don't discuss disabilities with anyone. So I really don't > have anyone out here I can talk with. Or discuss my worries with. > Honestly, I hope I can do that here. Thanks for listening. > > Nina Wife to Mark, Mom to Tiana age 9 and Ashlee age 6 CwDS > www.geocities.com/gygls73 __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 I think I've gone as far as I > can with the current ortho, I like him, but he's a generalist, so any > recommendations for top notch orthos in or around Northern California > would be great. http://www.stoneclinic.com/ http://www.iasm.com/ > > Thanks in advance for any advice, You're welcome Mike MT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 So if I did the math right, you're 40. There's a new substance they make knee replacements out of called oxinium by one company ( & Nephew, http://www.smithnephew.com/us/Standard.asp?NodeId=2926), which is oxidized zirconium -- and there's another company that makes the same material. It lasts up to 80% longer than the cobalt-chromium alloy they use in most knee replacements but hasn't really caught on here yet. You can, however, find doctors who will use it if you insist. You might have to pay for the extra cost (over what your insurance company will pay). The reason people have to get more than one implant is that the cobalt-chromium femoral surface wears out the polyethylene tibial surface by shedding small bits of the metal & grinding that metal on the polyethylene. The zirconium doesn't disintegrate as rapidly, thus the 80% longer life. Cobalt-chromium lasts 10 yrs or so, and most people can only get 2 replacements (because of the amt of bone they remove when they put a new one in) -- some can go for 3. So let's say you got a zirconium replacement and 18 years later you got another one. That would give you 36 years of functioning knee. You'd be 76 when it came time for the 3rd replacement. And surely by then they would have come up with something that would last longer or require less bone removal. And in any case, you would have had 36 good mid-life years of activity. You should do a lot of research before deciding on what you want -- esp. w/r/t cemented vs. cementless. Ann Hey folks, Glad to find this group. I've been suffering from CP off-and-on for 26 years, starting at age 14 when my ankles had to be fused because I had club feet. Have had 2 knee surgeries on my right knee, a lateral retinacular release about 7 years ago, and a revision operation 2 years ago removing a large chunk of vascularized scar tissue that was causing the knee to mis-track. Things were great after the second surgery until about 6 weeks ago, when something popped when I was getting off the floor from playing with my 2 year old. Repeat MRI didn't reveal any new injuries, but ortho said the CP was much worse (as well as new arthritic lesions worsening the pre-existing PFS) and there was nothing he could do about it but put me on Bextra. Bottom line is I need a new knee, but I'm way too young to get it replaced. I'm taking 30 mg of Bextra per day, and still barely functioning -- problems driving and with the stairs, not to mention chasing the two year old :-) I'd love to blame this on being out of shape and just put in more PT time, however, my quads have never been in better shape. I was working out at Curves at least 3X per week (not going past 30 degrees on any of the leg machines) before the injury, now I'm doing 2X per week and doing 150 leg lifts per day on days I am not doing a full work out. I have Type 1 diabetes and am on an insulin pump, so I want to avoid cortisone like the plague, but I am insterested in this Synovisc I read about to see if it will help me. I think I've gone as far as I can with the current ortho, I like him, but he's a generalist, so any recommendations for top notch orthos in or around Northern California would be great. Thanks in advance for any advice, Sheri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 In a message dated 2/21/2005 10:51:53 AM Central Standard Time, gygls73@... writes: Hello there! My name is Nina. I'm wife to Mark, mom to Tiana age 9 and Ashlee age 6 (CwDS). I am so glad I found this group. Let me explain a bit. HI Nina Im a bit late reading mail, stomach virus violently ran through our house, hitting me last uggggggggggggggggggg the pain was like labor pain and we all know how that su*#s lol You sound very familiar, screen name and all .............. did you ever go to the DS AOL chats in the past? if so, Im Kathy mom to Sara now 13 heehee Glad you are here Kathy mom to Sara 13 ¸...¸ ___/ /\ \___ ¸...¸ ,·´º o`·, /__/ _/\_ \__\ ,·´º o`·, ```)¨(´´´ | | | | | | | | | ```)¨(´´´ ¸,.-·²°´ ¸,.-·~·~·-.,¸ `°²·-.¸ As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord. Josh. 24:15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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