Guest guest Posted May 23, 2006 Report Share Posted May 23, 2006 Hmm, these allopaths are referring people to the Internet? I thought we're not supposed to believe what we read on the Internet. Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2006 Report Share Posted June 10, 2006 welcome to the group. What state are you in? I'm in PA. We didn't start the IEP until school age (5). Up until then it was an IFSP but Nic did attend a program that sounds like yours. Before that all therapies were in our home. Looking forward to learning more about your family. Di Introduction Hello, My name is ann and I am Mommy to GBB triplets who are now 2 1/2 years old (wow, already?). My DD has Down's Syndrome and is about to start the whole IEP process. She is currently in a school, funded by the regional center, which is parent participated where she has several kinds of therapy and sessions twice a week for about two hours (going up to three days a week in July). She isn't speaking yet, but just got ear tubes, so we are hoping to see progress in that area. She is the most beautiful little girl, and the light of my life. I mostly just want to network with as many DS parents as possible so I can make sure I am doing the most for her, especially in her education. I hope to get to know all of you and your little blessings very well. Thank you ann www.kwiat3.blogspot.com __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2006 Report Share Posted July 3, 2006 > My motivation for writing and my first question > is: What suggestions do you all have for base note > 'must haves'. I have a pretty good selection of > other notes but feel like I'd like to build up my > base notes. I have the usual suspects like > benzoin, labdanum, oak moss, vetiver, patchouli and > frankincense. > > Thanks - > > Elise Hi Elise I might suggest that you round out your bases by adding some of the following: clary sage absolute, lavender concrete, tonka, pine balsam absolute, green tea absolute, red tea absolute, tobacco absolute, opoponax. The clary sage absolute and lavender concrete in particular will be nice in the base if you're going for something light and floraly or citrusy. Cheers! -Patty __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2006 Report Share Posted July 4, 2006 At 03:54 PM 7/3/2006, you wrote: > My motivation for writing and my first question is: What suggestions > do you all have for base note 'must haves'. I have a pretty good > selection of other notes but feel like I'd like to build up my base > notes. I have the usual suspects like benzoin, labdanum, oak moss, > vetiver, patchouli and frankincense. Hi Elise: Do you have a good book to refer to? Good websites bookmarked? That's always a good idea. Seaweed absolute, choya (VERY smokey, use minute amounts), myrrh, cedarwood (yes, it can persist), vanilla, balsam peru, balsam tolu. Anya http://artisannaturalperfumers.com The Artisan Natural Perfumers Guild http://.com The premier site on Natural Perfume / Biggest, most dynamic natural perfumery chat group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2006 Report Share Posted July 4, 2006 At 05:46 PM 7/3/2006, you wrote: >Hi Elise > >I might suggest that you round out your bases by >adding some of the following: clary sage absolute, >lavender concrete, tonka, pine balsam absolute, green >tea absolute, red tea absolute, tobacco absolute, >opoponax. The clary sage absolute and lavender >concrete in particular will be nice in the base if >you're going for something light and floraly or >citrusy. Cheers! > >-Patty Patty -- someone who is more awake than me and filling in the gaps beautifully! I want to add beeswax absolute or " bee goo " tincture -- get to know a beekeeper and ask if they can give you the endcap and soft wax scrapings when they clean the hive, and plonk it into alcohol, set for six months, and filter. Great fixative. Anya http://artisannaturalperfumers.com The Artisan Natural Perfumers Guild http://.com The premier site on Natural Perfume / Biggest, most dynamic natural perfumery chat group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 > > Guess which designer perfume these ingredients belong to? > > INGREDIENTS: ALCOHOL. PARFUM (FRAGRANCE). BENZYL SALICYLATE. LIMNENE. > HYDROXY CITRONELLAL. EUGENOL. LINALOOL. GERANIOL. COUMARIM. HEXYL CINNAMAL. > CITRONELLOL. BENZYL BENZOATE. HYDROXYISOHEXYL 3. CYCLOHEXENE CARBOXALDEHYDE. > CINNAMYL ALCOHO. EVERNIA FURFURACEA EXTRACT. BENZYLE ALCOHOL. EVERNIA > PRUNASTRE EXTRACT. CITRAL. > ISOEUGENOL. BENZYL CINNAMATE. AMYL CINNAMAL. > > > Since march 11, 2005 the ingredients of all cosmetics, and that includes perfumes, sold within the EU have to be labeled on the packaging the 7th amendment of the European directive on cosmetics). The very Honorable Monsieur YSL who always claimed that only natural ingredients were used in his formulas, sorry I meant compositions, is probably having a nervous breakdown and is in need of aromatherapy. Sadly enough this perfume contains > 20 out of the 26 dangerous chemicals the EU lightly calls allergens that cosmetic manufacturers have to print on the packaging if they are in the> product. Switzerland is still debating whether it should do the same. > > Hi, my name is n and I just joined the group. The group came to my attention because I am very allergic to almost all commercial perfumes on the market. I know that there are four years of messages that I am going to go over before I start asking questions. Good for you n! I wish the U.S. would adopt the same standards. I understand that fragrance designers may not want to admit to which essential oils (and synthetic fragrances) they use (intellectual property) but they should list the other ingredients. Good for you! is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 > > > > Guess which designer perfume these ingredients belong to? > > > > INGREDIENTS: ALCOHOL. PARFUM (FRAGRANCE). BENZYL SALICYLATE. > LIMNENE. > > HYDROXY CITRONELLAL. EUGENOL. LINALOOL. GERANIOL. COUMARIM. > HEXYL CINNAMAL. > > CITRONELLOL. BENZYL BENZOATE. HYDROXYISOHEXYL 3. CYCLOHEXENE > CARBOXALDEHYDE. > > CINNAMYL ALCOHO. EVERNIA FURFURACEA EXTRACT. BENZYLE ALCOHOL. > EVERNIA > > PRUNASTRE EXTRACT. CITRAL. > > ISOEUGENOL. BENZYL CINNAMATE. AMYL CINNAMAL. > > > > > > Since march 11, 2005 the ingredients of all cosmetics, and that > includes perfumes, sold within the EU have to be labeled on the packaging the 7th amendment of the European directive on cosmetics). The very Honorable Monsieur YSL who always claimed that only natural ingredients were used in his formulas, sorry I meant compositions, is probably having a nervous breakdown and is in need of aromatherapy. Sadly enough this perfume contains > > 20 out of the 26 dangerous chemicals the EU lightly calls > allergens that cosmetic manufacturers have to print on the packaging if they are in the> product. Switzerland is still debating whether it should do the same. > > > > Hi, my name is n and I just joined the group. The group came > to my attention because I am very allergic to almost all commercial > perfumes on the market. I know that there are four years of messages that I am going to go over before I start asking questions. > > Good for you n! I wish the U.S. would adopt the same standards. > I understand that fragrance designers may not want to admit to which essential oils (and synthetic fragrances) they use (intellectual > property) but they should list the other ingredients. Good for you! > > is > This is really a lot of allergens for one composition, but they are not necessarily all synthetic. Except for amyl cinnamal, hexyl cinnamal, hydroxycitronellal and hydroxyisohexyl 3-cyclohexene carboxaldehyde, all of the chemicals listed could be there because they are natural constituents of essential oils or absolutes. The two extracts are of course natural. If you are allergic to any of the naturally-occurring chemicals or extracts, you could react to a totally natural fragrance contaning them. Allergies are always concentration-dependent, so below a certain (unknown) level you will not react, even to something you are allergic to. Some believe there is a " quenching " effect, where other natural constituents reduce the potency of alleregens, but total negation is unlikely, and the evidence that quenching exists is not very solid. So please don't assume that you cannot react to natural fragrances. The are large differences in the potency of the 26 allergens - oakmoss extract and isoeugenol are VERY much more likely to cause reactions than, say, farensol or linalool. This was not taken into account by the EU legislators, who have produced, by any real scientific standard, an abominable and highly flawed piece of legislation. Tisserand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 > Good for you n! I wish the U.S. would adopt the > same standards. > I understand that fragrance designers may not want > to admit to which essential oils (and synthetic > fragrances) they use (intellectual > property) but they should list the other > ingredients. Good for you! > > is HI is, Welcome to the group! FYI, and for everyone else on the group, the U.S. FDA does require that ingredients be listed on cosmetic products, and in a particular manner. You can read about it on their website at: http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/cos-lab1.html I believe that only specific fragance ingredients are exempted, and may simply be referred to as " fragrance " . This is important information for all of us to know when we are making products and selling them to the public. I have seen an alarming number of products offered by small companies that don't comply with the FDA labeling regulations at all, either because they are unaware of the rules or just think nobody will care if they don't comply.It's a good set-up for a lawsuit. -Patty __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 > > > Good for you n! I wish the U.S. would adopt the > > same standards. > > I understand that fragrance designers may not want > > to admit to which essential oils (and synthetic > > fragrances) they use (intellectual > > property) but they should list the other > > ingredients. Good for you! > > > > is > > > HI is, > > Welcome to the group! FYI, and for everyone else on > the group, the U.S. FDA does require that ingredients > be listed on cosmetic products, and in a particular > manner. You can read about it on their website at: > > http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/cos-lab1.html > > I believe that only specific fragance ingredients are > exempted, and may simply be referred to as > " fragrance " . > > This is important information for all of us to know > when we are making products and selling them to the > public. I have seen an alarming number of products > offered by small companies that don't comply with the > FDA labeling regulations at all, either because they > are unaware of the rules or just think nobody will > care if they don't comply.It's a good set-up for a > lawsuit. > > -Patty > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2006 Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 > > > INGREDIENTS: ALCOHOL. PARFUM (FRAGRANCE). BENZYL SALICYLATE. > > LIMNENE. > > > HYDROXY CITRONELLAL. EUGENOL. LINALOOL. GERANIOL. COUMARIM. > > HEXYL CINNAMAL. > > > CITRONELLOL. BENZYL BENZOATE. HYDROXYISOHEXYL 3. CYCLOHEXENE > > CARBOXALDEHYDE. > > > CINNAMYL ALCOHO. EVERNIA FURFURACEA EXTRACT. BENZYLE ALCOHOL. > > EVERNIA > > > PRUNASTRE EXTRACT. CITRAL. > > > ISOEUGENOL. BENZYL CINNAMATE. AMYL CINNAMAL. > > > This is really a lot of allergens for one composition, but they are > not necessarily all synthetic. Except for amyl cinnamal, hexyl > cinnamal, hydroxycitronellal and hydroxyisohexyl 3-cyclohexene > carboxaldehyde, all of the chemicals listed could be there because > they are natural constituents of essential oils or absolutes. The > two extracts are of course natural. > > If you are allergic to any of the naturally-occurring chemicals or > extracts, you could react to a totally natural fragrance contaning > them. Allergies are always concentration-dependent, so below a > certain (unknown) level you will not react, even to something you > are allergic to. Some believe there is a " quenching " effect, where > other natural constituents reduce the potency of alleregens, but > total negation is unlikely, and the evidence that quenching exists > is not very solid. So please don't assume that you cannot react to > natural fragrances. > > The are large differences in the potency of the 26 allergens - > oakmoss extract and isoeugenol are VERY much more likely to cause > reactions than, say, farensol or linalool. This was not taken into > account by the EU legislators, who have produced, by any real > scientific standard, an abominable and highly flawed piece of > legislation. > > Tisserand , I was about to chime in when I saw your post. I have been studying and experimenting with some natural isolates off and on, and find that chemical names can be quite intimidating to some. Afterall everything breaks down to a code somewhere down the line. Something as simple as water can look like a big ugly monster when given a long unpronouncable name. I also agree that many things can cause reaction. I have a great suspicion that synthetic fragrance oils, isolates (natural and not) and nature identicals, are less likely to be the culprits, than say,..... the compound additives, modified stabalizers, boosters, fixatives, extenders, etc.... Allergic reaction from, Isolates that have been spliced, diced and thrown back together, into a compound or new aroma chemical, can be much more difficult to evaluate , than that of known dermal irritants in basic off the shelf essential oils. How much and how often...... What , where is the level of irritation. Only the individual can make that call. Best to do a skin test, before using products that one thinks questionable. and just adopt a policy of self policing. Peace, Z............... Zz's Petals, Parfume Moderne http://www.zzspetals.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 > > > > > INGREDIENTS: ALCOHOL. PARFUM (FRAGRANCE). BENZYL SALICYLATE. > > > LIMNENE. > > > > HYDROXY CITRONELLAL. EUGENOL. LINALOOL. GERANIOL. COUMARIM. > > > HEXYL CINNAMAL. > > > > CITRONELLOL. BENZYL BENZOATE. HYDROXYISOHEXYL 3. CYCLOHEXENE > > > CARBOXALDEHYDE. > > > > CINNAMYL ALCOHO. EVERNIA FURFURACEA EXTRACT. BENZYLE ALCOHOL. > > > EVERNIA > > > > PRUNASTRE EXTRACT. CITRAL. > > > > ISOEUGENOL. BENZYL CINNAMATE. AMYL CINNAMAL. > > > > > > This is really a lot of allergens for one composition, but they are > > not necessarily all synthetic. Except for amyl cinnamal, hexyl > > cinnamal, hydroxycitronellal and hydroxyisohexyl 3-cyclohexene > > carboxaldehyde, all of the chemicals listed could be there because > > they are natural constituents of essential oils or absolutes. The > > two extracts are of course natural. > > > > Tisserand > > , I was about to chime in when I saw your post. > I have been studying and experimenting with some natural isolates off > and on, and find that chemical names can be quite intimidating to > some. Afterall everything breaks down to a code somewhere down the > line. Something as simple as water can look like a big ugly monster > when given a long unpronouncable name. This is an excellent point, and to illustrate: 46% 2,6-Dimethyl-2,7-octadien-6-yl ethanoate 44% 2,6-Dimethyl-2,7-octadien-6-ol 3% 5-Methyl-2-(1-methylethenyl)-4-hexen-1-yl ethanoate 2% [1R-(1R*,4E,9S*)]-4,11,11-Trimethyl-8-methylenebicyclo[7.2.0]undec-4-ene 1.5% 4-Methyl-1-(1-methylethyl)-3-cyclohexen-1-ol 1.2% (Z)-3,7-Dimethyl-1,3,6-octatriene 1% endo-1,7,7-Trimethylbicyclo[2.2.1]heptan-2-ol 0.7% ?,?,4-Trimethyl-3-cyclohexene-1-methanol 0.2% 3-octanone 0.1% (E)-3,7-Dimethyl-1,3,6-octatriene + trace constituents Probably sounds pretty chemical and weird, but it's also known as...well, how about I throw this open to the group to identify? > I also agree that many things can cause reaction. I have a great > suspicion that synthetic fragrance oils, isolates (natural and not) > and nature identicals, are less likely to be the culprits, than > say,..... the compound additives, modified stabalizers, boosters, > fixatives, extenders, etc.... > Allergic reaction from, Isolates that have been spliced, diced and > thrown back together, > into a compound or new aroma chemical, can be much more difficult to > evaluate , than that of known dermal irritants in basic off the shelf > essential oils. > How much and how often...... > What , where is the level of irritation. Only the individual can make > that call. Best to do a skin test, before using products that one > thinks questionable. and just adopt a policy of self policing. > Peace, Z............... > I can't disagree, though I would add that I do not encourage people to do skin tests, as this may either tell you nothing useful, or cause problems, depending on how you do it. Some of those new to the group may not appreciate that there is a great difference between an isolate (derived from an essential oil) and a synthetic (often a chemical that does not occur in nature). Many isolates can also be made synthetically. I guess one of the reasons we prefer to use naturals is that we are suspicious of the safety of chemicals, and many of the synthetics used in commercial fragrances are of unkown toxicity. Commercial fragrances very often contain phthalates and synthetic musks, both of which can lead to a host of problems, both healthwise and environmental. There's also the fact that manufacturing a synthetic chemical takes a lot of energy - it's usually a multi-staged process - and produces waste material. Let's stick with the wonderful creations of nature, while also appreciating that they are composed of chemicals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2006 Report Share Posted July 13, 2006 Anya <mccoy@...> wrote: At 05:46 PM 7/3/2006, you wrote: >Hi Elise > >I might suggest that you round out your bases by >adding some of the following: clary sage absolute, >lavender concrete, tonka, pine balsam absolute, green >tea absolute, red tea absolute, tobacco absolute, >opoponax. The clary sage absolute and lavender >concrete in particular will be nice in the base if >you're going for something light and floraly or >citrusy. Cheers! > >-Patty Patty -- someone who is more awake than me and filling in the gaps beautifully! I want to add beeswax absolute or " bee goo " tincture -- get to know a beekeeper and ask if they can give you the endcap and soft wax scrapings when they clean the hive, and plonk it into alcohol, set for six months, and filter. Great fixative. Anya Hi Patty and Anya - Thanks for your suggestions! I ordered a number of bases as well as a few other items. Everything was delivered yesterday and I had a lovely evening yesterday getting acquainted with all the new scents. I love the deep, dark intense base notes the best. My current challenge is to try something herbal or floral and light with either the clary sage or lavender. I'm not so good with light and herbal especially. Smelling like sandalwood today ..... Elise Hollywood, Fl www.tambela.com --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 from Lighthouse farms AND ALL THE RECENT NEW MEMBERS, I'd like to WELCOME each and every one of you and THANK all of you for finding us! As you can see on the website, we are now solidly over 400 members! This is quite amazing in such a short time and it thrills me to no end. Let's just keep making it better. I hope more of you will take a minute and give us a nice introduction like did! I'm hoping we can get as many of our new members to join us at the upcoming August 12th FOOD SWAP which is one of our most important events of the year. About 4 times a year we have this thing called a 'swap " but it's really just a sharing, meeting, greeting, putting faces to names, fun event. Anatomy of a Trad Foods Swap Meet 1) We meet at a nice " green " location, this time a State Park on the Mississippi. The entire building is green, recycled, non-toxic and gorgeous!! The park is wonderful too, bring walking shoes and binoculars. 2) First off, we have an enormous POT LUCK lunch featuring all these nice items you hear about. Bring an entree you are famous for, experimenting with or that's something that has come from your garden or other sources. Also bring your own silverware and dishware (if possible). We will have clean up facilities and plenty of tables and chairs. 3) Then we have a short program, usually a LECTURE or DISCUSSION about a particular farm or food item of interest. 4) Then people who have brought food to SWAP/TRADE or BUY can explain what they have and we open it up for whatever anyone wants to do. 5) We never charge for these events but there is always some expense such as tablecloths, silverware, plates, and a nominal room use fee. For this will will be PASSING THE HAT so bring a few bucks along to keep our Free Range event alive. Typical " swap " items have included RAW HONEY, EGGS, DUCK EGGS, TROUT, SEASALT, MAPLE SYRUP, JAMS, SAUERKRAUT, KIM CHEE, SAUCES, DRESSINGS, HERBS, VEGETABLES, GREENS, BISON, LAMB, GOAT, BEEF, CHICKEN, TURKEY, ALL SORTS OF CHEESES, AND MUCH MORE. Some times there ares some great NT or related BOOKS available as well as other interesting information. If you have nothing to bring for swapping, just BRING LOTS OF MONEY! Seriously, you will NEVER get better food or better prices. Bring coolers and boxes and make sure none of the farmers or food bringers go home with what they brought! Oh, and by the way, this is open to the public so BRING LOTS OF FRIENDS AND RELATIVES!!! Incidentally, I am hosting a similar event on that exact day in Illinois and will sadly be absent from our event! Ouch, that hurts!!! However Joe, Mark, Therese and many others have done a fabulous job on past swaps and are already putting in their volunteer hours setting up this next event. Will Winter Moderator for Trad Foods MN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 Hi , I am new too! I have a 9 month old daughter and I have chosen not to vaccinate her for the same reasons. Your post has summed up exactly the mental and emotional debate I have with myself due to others constantly challenging my decision not " protect " my daughter. I am so disturbed at how health care professionals, some friends and even family have told me I am a bad mom because of this choice. And like you even though I know in my heart I am doing the right thing, I still feel so much anxiety over my decision. I have been involved in dog rescue and naturalpathic care of my dogs for several years and I know the hazards and have seen first hand the damage vaccination can do to animals. I have not vaccinated my pets for over 7 years so I was not about to rush out and vaccinate my daughter either! I have joined this list to educate myself and to gain confidence in my decision not to vaccinate. Steph Duran <nicers88@...> wrote: Hello! I am new to this group and thrilled to become a part of such a strong and vital network! I have a 6 year old daughter and 5 month old son. I fully vaccinated my daughter, with apprehension, and have yet to do so with my son. I chose to vaccinate my daughter because I was 99% unaware of the dangers and conspiracy surrounding vaccines, however began to have my doubts when she contracted shingles at age 2 from the varricella vaccine. Then I had a friend adamant on not vaccinating her son. I honestly was appalled at her decision because like so many people I was ill informed and figured the benefits outweighed the risks. I questioned her and learned of her research. Then when I became pregnant with my son, I could not escape the truth. The decision not to vaccinate is truly one of the hardest and most painful decisions to make. My husband is very skeptical of not vaccinating, although mostly willing to trust and learn with me. No one in my cirlce of family and friends agree's with my decision and I admit I am constantly second guessing myself! I innately KNOW I do not want to vaccinate, yet I am filled with anxiety with the thought I have left my son suseptible to a killer disease. And although I know the many reasons and benefits on not vaccinating, I just can't seem to find peace with my decision. Recent Activity 9 New Members Visit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2006 Report Share Posted August 8, 2006 Hi Steph, Welcome and thanks for your reply! It is helpful to know that other mothers are dealing with the same issues and emotions. After a while you start to feel so alone in your choice. I was just telling this to another mother that wrote me also that the health and well being of our children is of utmost importance. And although like you say, we know about the danger of vaxing, we just just can't seem to shake the anxiety. I find myself worrying that my son or daughter, as I quit vaxing her 2 years ago, will contract something dangerous. I hear stories of children that weren't vaxed that came down with a strain that killed them and what a shame as that could have been prevented and my heart sinks in my stomache. So I just keep telling myself I need to make my decision, accept it for the valid reasons, continue to educate myself as much as possible, create the most healthy lifestyle for my family, build a strong support network and then put the rest in God's hands! I think with the support of this group-it will be much easier! It is also so comforting to hear of other non vaxed children and how healthy they are! This dispels the myth and propaganda we are constantly fed. So parents please keep sharing of your stories about your children and their health, it helps other mothers like me that are still acclamating to this new choice and lifestyle. Take care, Steph MacNeill <rebels_mommy@...> wrote: Hi , I am new too! I have a 9 month old daughter and I have chosen not to vaccinate her for the same reasons. Your post has summed up exactly the mental and emotional debate I have with myself due to others constantly challenging my decision not " protect " my daughter. I am so disturbed at how health care professionals, some friends and even family have told me I am a bad mom because of this choice. And like you even though I know in my heart I am doing the right thing, I still feel so much anxiety over my decision. I have been involved in dog rescue and naturalpathic care of my dogs for several years and I know the hazards and have seen first hand the damage vaccination can do to animals. I have not vaccinated my pets for over 7 years so I was not about to rush out and vaccinate my daughter either! I have joined this list to educate myself and to gain confidence in my decision not to vaccinate. Steph Duran <nicers88@...> wrote: Hello! I am new to this group and thrilled to become a part of such a strong and vital network! I have a 6 year old daughter and 5 month old son. I fully vaccinated my daughter, with apprehension, and have yet to do so with my son. I chose to vaccinate my daughter because I was 99% unaware of the dangers and conspiracy surrounding vaccines, however began to have my doubts when she contracted shingles at age 2 from the varricella vaccine. Then I had a friend adamant on not vaccinating her son. I honestly was appalled at her decision because like so many people I was ill informed and figured the benefits outweighed the risks. I questioned her and learned of her research. Then when I became pregnant with my son, I could not escape the truth. The decision not to vaccinate is truly one of the hardest and most painful decisions to make. My husband is very skeptical of not vaccinating, although mostly willing to trust and learn with me. No one in my cirlce of family and friends agree's with my decision and I admit I am constantly second guessing myself! I innately KNOW I do not want to vaccinate, yet I am filled with anxiety with the thought I have left my son suseptible to a killer disease. And although I know the many reasons and benefits on not vaccinating, I just can't seem to find peace with my decision. Recent Activity 9 New Members Visit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2006 Report Share Posted August 14, 2006 Hi Michele, I truly believe that these kind of genetic diseases can be overcome in following generations by not vaxing. We have a genetic health problem in our family and we stopeed vaxing our son, due to eczema however. I do believe that you can reverse the cycle by breastfeeding, dietary changes and not vaxing. Ingrid > > Hello - > > I'm and have three children - 16 yr, 15 yr, 11 weeks. We have a maternally transmitted, ultimately terminal disease: mitochondrial cytopathy. We didn't know it was running through my maternal history until my oldest daughter was muscle biopsied at age 3. You cannot tell that me or my 11-week-old are affected. This is the same disease that Mattie Stepanek (Oprah's young visionary friend) had, although they called it a rare form of muscular dystrophy (it is a cousin to muscular dystrophy and some funding does cover us under the MDA umbrella). > > My 16 yo daughter has severe mental retardation, severe autism, low tone, and severe scoliosis. My 15 yo has mild MR, mild autism, and a RAGING seizure disorder. > > I knew there was something wrong with my oldest by the time she was six weeks old. When she turned three she experienced a series of developmental regressions, the last nearly drawing her completely inside herself. The autism was diagnosed at that point. My 15 yo daughter's autism became apparent around the age of five or six. > > Autism is a possibility for this disease, although one of the distant and rare complications. So, no doctor will ever consider the autism as vax trauma. For a very long time I would've agreed - that is, until I read the CDC findings that have finally been released by the Freedom of Information Act that were promptly buried once the original report was made. My oldest was born in 1989, and my second daughter in 1991. Do those dates sound familiar??? Yes, that was when the CDC pushed for a firestorm of increased vaxing filled with mercury. I am so angry I could spit nails. Like the good little mommy (um, or was that cattle head?) I followed all the prescribed vaxes in order to SAVE MY CHILDREN . . . . .! *ominous background music supplied* I was spoon fed my intellectual decisions back then and injured my children in the process. > > Well, the baby WILL NOT be vaxed. Ever. Because our strain of the mitochondrial disorder is 100% maternally transmitted, Dr. Shoffner here in Atlanta will surely be very interested to continue our family case study, because she is ahead of schedule developmentally. Neither of my older girls were ever on time. > > Because I'm choosing not to vax, though, I want to make sure I stay on top of new information when it comes time to vocalize my concerns and legitimize my decision not to vax. > > Thank you for allowing me to join and to rant for just a bit! > > Fagan Morrow > ariashheart@... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2006 Report Share Posted August 15, 2006 , I'm so sorry to hear about the disease you mentioned and the problems that your oldest children have. I'm glad you were able to find this group. God bless, Angie On Sunday, August 13, 2006, at 08:58 AM, & Morrow wrote: > Hello - > > I'm and have three children - 16 yr, 15 yr, 11 weeks. We have > a maternally transmitted, ultimately terminal disease: mitochondrial > cytopathy. We didn't know it was running through my maternal history > until my oldest daughter was muscle biopsied at age 3. You cannot tell > that me or my 11-week-old are affected. This is the same disease that > Mattie Stepanek (Oprah's young visionary friend) had, although they > called it a rare form of muscular dystrophy (it is a cousin to > muscular dystrophy and some funding does cover us under the MDA > umbrella). > > My 16 yo daughter has severe mental retardation, severe autism, low > tone, and severe scoliosis. My 15 yo has mild MR, mild autism, and a > RAGING seizure disorder. > > I knew there was something wrong with my oldest by the time she was > six weeks old. When she turned three she experienced a series of > developmental regressions, the last nearly drawing her completely > inside herself. The autism was diagnosed at that point. My 15 yo > daughter's autism became apparent around the age of five or six. > > Autism is a possibility for this disease, although one of the distant > and rare complications. So, no doctor will ever consider the autism as > vax trauma. For a very long time I would've agreed - that is, until I > read the CDC findings that have finally been released by the Freedom > of Information Act that were promptly buried once the original report > was made. My oldest was born in 1989, and my second daughter in 1991. > Do those dates sound familiar??? Yes, that was when the CDC pushed for > a firestorm of increased vaxing filled with mercury. I am so angry I > could spit nails. Like the good little mommy (um, or was that cattle > head?) I followed all the prescribed vaxes in order to SAVE MY > CHILDREN . . . . .! *ominous background music supplied* I was spoon > fed my intellectual decisions back then and injured my children in the > process. > > Well, the baby WILL NOT be vaxed. Ever. Because our strain of the > mitochondrial disorder is 100% maternally transmitted, Dr. Shoffner > here in Atlanta will surely be very interested to continue our family > case study, because she is ahead of schedule developmentally. Neither > of my older girls were ever on time. > > Because I'm choosing not to vax, though, I want to make sure I stay on > top of new information when it comes time to vocalize my concerns and > legitimize my decision not to vax. > > Thank you for allowing me to join and to rant for just a bit! > > Fagan Morrow > ariashheart@... > > Welcome NEW members - please introduce > yourselves > > Hi all, > Back from traveling for a few days. > > I've added many new members - welcome and please introduce yourselves! > > You'll learn lots and get lots of support. > Also start with my webpages > http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm > > and will be starting new classes in the fall > http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm > http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo2.htm > Sheri > listowner > > -------------------------------------------------------- > Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath > Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK > $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account > earthmysteriestours@... voicemail US 530-740-0561 > (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail > Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm > Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - > http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm > Reality of the Diseases & Treatment - > http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm > Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 Hi Debs Good to see ya on the list! Enjoy! Best wishes introduction hi guys, i have just joined the group and must say a hello to you all wherever you may be. my name is debbie, i am a nurse who has completed medics offshore training recently. another medic told me about the website so here i am... i have just finished my third trip offshore so am just getting to grips with it all.. so to all out there hello and goodbye no doubt i will cross paths with some of you if not already!! take care debbie --------------------------------- All New - Tired of Vi@gr@! come-ons? Let our SpamGuard protect you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 Thanks man!!! hope you are ok.. thanks for all your wonderful help... hope you have good leave... will talk soon... debs Parkinson <gary.parkinson@...> wrote: Hi Debs Good to see ya on the list! Enjoy! Best wishes introduction hi guys, i have just joined the group and must say a hello to you all wherever you may be. my name is debbie, i am a nurse who has completed medics offshore training recently. another medic told me about the website so here i am... i have just finished my third trip offshore so am just getting to grips with it all.. so to all out there hello and goodbye no doubt i will cross paths with some of you if not already!! take care debbie --------------------------------- All New - Tired of Vi@gr@! come-ons? Let our SpamGuard protect you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2006 Report Share Posted September 16, 2006 just to say hi debs ,im new tothis forum too ,welcome and good luck in your new venture. Barry debs desouza <doobyq1@...> wrote: Thanks man!!! hope you are ok.. thanks for all your wonderful help... hope you have good leave... will talk soon... debs Parkinson <gary.parkinson@...> wrote: Hi Debs Good to see ya on the list! Enjoy! Best wishes introduction hi guys, i have just joined the group and must say a hello to you all wherever you may be. my name is debbie, i am a nurse who has completed medics offshore training recently. another medic told me about the website so here i am... i have just finished my third trip offshore so am just getting to grips with it all.. so to all out there hello and goodbye no doubt i will cross paths with some of you if not already!! take care debbie --------------------------------- All New - Tired of Vi@gr@! come-ons? Let our SpamGuard protect you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2006 Report Share Posted September 26, 2006 My old ped. kept referring me to the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia site. It's only the MOST pro-vaccine site there is. That's when I left. Welcome, --------------------------------- Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2006 Report Share Posted September 26, 2006 Yep, that's the one I was referred to as well. I got so mad reading it. It had this whole attitude: oh, you silly parents! Stop worrying about this stuff and TRUST us!!! I printed out some of the info and ended up writing all kinds of snide remarks in the margins. At any rate, it never gave me what I wanted: hard statistics on how many cases and deaths of each illness on the LAST year before kids were vaxed, current rates so I could compare to current rates (probably estimates only) of serious damage by each vax. Nobody wants to give you actual numbers. Or they say " 10 people contracted this illness and two died, " but they don't tell you if they were children or not, which is important since some of the illnesses can be quite worse in adults. They often don't tell you if the people who got it were vaxxed, or if they had other problems, like were they immunocompromised. -Angie On Tuesday, September 26, 2006, at 04:09 PM, Sheri B. wrote: > My old ped. kept referring me to the Children's Hospital of > Philadelphia site. It's only the MOST pro-vaccine site there is. > That's when I left. > > Welcome, > > > --------------------------------- > Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. Check it out. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2006 Report Share Posted September 28, 2006 > > Hi, > > My name is Eva and I live in Ireland with my husband and 2 year old > daughter, I am in awe of the amount of experience on this list so you may > not hear much for me. My background is mostly in herbology and medical > aromatherapy though I have aquired an interest in perfumes in the last year > or so. I am a dedicated dilettante when it comes to scent, perhaps one day > I will have the chance to aquire more expert knowledge maybe even attend a > formal class. > > Eva Well how're ya Eva agus ta failte! (Irish for welcome for all of you *non* Irish members, GLOAT We're thin on the ground in this group, although I think Anya our lovely group Mother has a bit of the old Irish stock in her boy!!! Anyway, you couldn't be in safer hands. You probably aren't Irish at all I'm just thinking, but sure there is an old Irish belief that anyone who steps foot on Irish soil, even for a minute gets a bit o' the blood of the land in their veins ( I just made that up! but it sounds good) anyway I'm totally mad, I love making real perfume and I love this group. Ruth from Galway, Ireland http://www.whitewitch.ie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2006 Report Share Posted September 28, 2006 OT ruth wrote: > We're thin on the ground in this group, although I think Anya our > lovely group Mother has a bit of the old Irish stock in her boy!!! I actually wrote that,it looks so nuts, but it is to be said with an Irish accent...a bit o' the aoul Irish shtock in her baye! It does not mean in her 'boy' HA HA HA I crack myself up! Ruth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 Edited to correct topposting: On 9/28/06, Ruth Ruane <ruth@...> wrote: > > > > Well how're ya Eva agus ta failte! > (Irish for welcome for all of you *non* Irish members, GLOAT > We're thin on the ground in this group, although I think Anya our > lovely group Mother has a bit of the old Irish stock in her boy!!! > Anyway, you couldn't be in safer hands. You probably aren't Irish at > all I'm just thinking, but sure there is an old Irish belief that > anyone who steps foot on Irish soil, even for a minute gets a bit o' > the blood of the land in their veins ( I just made that up! but it > sounds good) anyway I'm totally mad, I love making real perfume and I > love this group. > I'm actually German by birth but moved to Ireland when I was 8 years old, since then I have spent more time in Germany and 12 years in the United States and have just returned to Ireland a year ago. I imported my american husband who still has a somewhat bemused expression on his face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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