Introduction

[Guest guest]

Welcome, . You came to the right place. Discussing and debating happens

to be something we do well here. Wouldn't you be the lucky one to have had a

true case of influenza that lasted only three days! I had it once in my life and

I was down for the better part of a week.....Anita

WordLight@... wrote: I love to debate and discuss things, but this subject

has been extremely frustrating. I think possibly it is because allopathic

physicians are not prepared to truly discuss the concerns? They are in huge

denial about virtually all questions or concerns that come up with vaccines.

Recently I had a febrile illness and was off work for 3 days, and when I

returned, I was scornfully accused by one of my co-workers of having had the flu

but concealing it, since I didn't take the fluvax. Go figure.

Thanks for listening,

in Virginia

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On 2/1/07, WordLight@... <WordLight@...> wrote:

>

> Hi everyone--I have been reading all the file info and looking at Sheri's

> website today. Vaccinations are on my mind probably several days a week. I

> keep reading and learning more. My first two children are older, they had

> all their vaccines (except my first was before the hepvax was a

> requirement). At the time I was a pediatric nurse. I was more involved in

> education but I did give some vaccines in the nursery, and at the office, on

> occasion. I have always had a more natural view on health than I was taught

> as a nurse, so I always had questions about vaccines, but it was just

> something we did.

>

> The first time I had a real problem was when we were giving hepvaxes in

> the nursery to newborns before discharge, then they were all recalled,

> because they had thimerosol, or some kind of preservative, mercury, that

> would be bad for infants. Then shortly after, they were restarted, and the

> mercury was supposed to be out, but again, the second time, they were all

> recalled. After that, I never was the same about vaccines. I began to

> investigate on the Internet and reading all I could find. I already knew

> not to trust drug companies or allopathic medicine, but I was pretty

> distressed that I myself had administered vaccines with thimerosol to

> infants! I also noticed that when parents called or came to the office with

> clear adverse reactions, there was no effort whatsoever made to report

> these. Why not?

>

> My third child was born in 2001 and he has had no vaccines. My daughters

> were given flumist by their father (we are divorced), and my oldest that

> very night developed wheezing for the first time, which she has

> intermittently to this day. My husband has a chronic illness and lots of

> cognitive problems, but he is also afraid, and he has had flu and pneumovax

> and also chicken pox vaccine. I did talk to him frankly about those, but he

> made his own decision. The girls are due for their 14 year boosters, and

> the highly recommended hpv vaccine (unbelievably), which we declined.

>

> There are three pediatricians in the practice we use, and I have had to

> have the discussion with all three. I did complete the Commonwealth of

> Virginia decline form and placed it in all of the children's charts. This

> has made no difference. I tell them that as a Christian, I think it would

> be wrong before God for me to have my children or myself vaccinated. How

> could you argue with that? They manage to do so, and most of what they have

> to say is related to epidemiology. How does that affect my responsibility

> to care for my child?

>

> I now work in L & D, delivering babies, care of moms and babes, and also in

> the nursery. We do give hepvaxes and MMRs but I just omit to do them and so

> far nobody's really noticed the pattern, I guess. If it came to an issue, I

> would have to do it, but my coworkers are wonderful so I don't believe it

> would ever come up. I do have the opportunity to explain the hepvax consent

> form to parents. We have two sections, either sign here for allowing the

> vaccine, or sign there to decline. I review the booklet where, at the very

> least, parents should consider the risk factors for hepatitis b and

> understand that their newborn does not fall into these categories.

>

> I know this is long, sorry. Last is that now the hospital is required to

> keep a record of everyone who gets the fluvax, and if you don't, they want

> to document the reason why. So, in an effort to cut the conversation short

> and get out of that situation, I said, " Because for me to receive it would

> be a sin. " You would think that would shock them quiet, but they went on

> and on, it was truly a lot of pressure.

>

> I love to debate and discuss things, but this subject has been extremely

> frustrating. I think possibly it is because allopathic physicians are not

> prepared to truly discuss the concerns? They are in huge denial about

> virtually all questions or concerns that come up with vaccines. Recently I

> had a febrile illness and was off work for 3 days, and when I returned, I

> was scornfully accused by one of my co-workers of having had the flu but

> concealing it, since I didn't take the fluvax. Go figure.

>

> Thanks for listening,

> in Virginia

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Holly: I live in the Shenandoah Valley, not far from onburg.

In a message dated 2/1/2007 8:40:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

mensrea320@... writes:

in Virginia

I'm in VA too . What part are you?

Holly

Virginia Beach

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Kay! I have read a ton about homeopathy but I guess it seems like

you have to have either formal training or an intuition for it. We paid the

big bucks for my husband to consult with a homeopath and it did nothing at

all, whatsoever, and I don't know why. How did you know what to do? What did

you use when you had the flu?

Thanks,

In a message dated 2/2/2007 11:21:39 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

dr-ky@... writes:

Welcome ,

You'll find this to be a great list for information and support.

I am former pediatric and obstetric RN, myself. It bothers me, too, to

think of all the vaccines I gave to children and new moms when I was an RN.

My children are teens now and were fully vaxed through their kindergarten

shots. I've since learned about the dangers of vaccines, and no one in our

family (including the dog!) will be vaxed anymore. : ) My kids now have

religious exemptions for school, and we've never been questioned about those

so far.

We now use homeopathy exclusively and are much better off for it.

I recently had the flu and was better in less than 24 hours with homeopathy.

Kay

[Guest guest]

Welcome ,

You'll find this to be a great list for information and support.

I am former pediatric and obstetric RN, myself. It bothers me, too, to

think of all the vaccines I gave to children and new moms when I was an RN.

My children are teens now and were fully vaxed through their kindergarten

shots. I've since learned about the dangers of vaccines, and no one in our

family (including the dog!) will be vaxed anymore. : ) My kids now have

religious exemptions for school, and we've never been questioned about those

so far.

We now use homeopathy exclusively and are much better off for it.

I recently had the flu and was better in less than 24 hours with homeopathy.

Kay

Introduction

> Hi everyone--I have been reading all the file info and looking at Sheri's

> website today. Vaccinations are on my mind probably several days a week.

> I keep reading and learning more. My first two children are older, they

> had all their vaccines (except my first was before the hepvax was a

> requirement). At the time I was a pediatric nurse. I was more involved

> in education but I did give some vaccines in the nursery, and at the

> office, on occasion. I have always had a more natural view on health than

> I was taught as a nurse, so I always had questions about vaccines, but it

> was just something we did.

> in Virginia

[Guest guest]

Welcome ,

You'll find this to be a great list for information and support.

I am former pediatric and obstetric RN, myself. It bothers me, too, to

think of all the vaccines I gave to children and new moms when I was an RN.

My children are teens now and were fully vaxed through their kindergarten

shots. I've since learned about the dangers of vaccines, and no one in our

family (including the dog!) will be vaxed anymore. : ) My kids now have

religious exemptions for school, and we've never been questioned about those

so far.

We now use homeopathy exclusively and are much better off for it.

I recently had the flu and was better in less than 24 hours with homeopathy.

Kay

Introduction

> Hi everyone--I have been reading all the file info and looking at Sheri's

> website today. Vaccinations are on my mind probably several days a week.

> I keep reading and learning more. My first two children are older, they

> had all their vaccines (except my first was before the hepvax was a

> requirement). At the time I was a pediatric nurse. I was more involved

> in education but I did give some vaccines in the nursery, and at the

> office, on occasion. I have always had a more natural view on health than

> I was taught as a nurse, so I always had questions about vaccines, but it

> was just something we did.

> in Virginia

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I started about 5 years ago by taking Sheri Nakken's online Introduction to

Homeopathy class. I have since taken 2 or 3 other online courses, and I do

alot of independent reading. Here is a link to a site with a wealth of

information on homeopathy: http://www.simillimum.com/

Unfortunately people who dabble in homeopathy or who don't practice

according to Hahnemann's advanced methods end up doing more harm than good

to the reputation of homeopathy. Sheri N. can give you some names of

homeopaths that she recommends. There are MANY mediocre ones out there. I

went through 2 others before finding my current homeopath.

I don't recommend anyone treat chronic issues themselves. It does take

formal training and an intuition for one to be an effective homeopath.

The remedy I came up with after repertorizing my flu symptoms would not

necessarily be the one someone else would get. It's based on each

individual's symptoms. There are no less than 15 remedies that might fit

the typical " flu " picture. What I learned in Sheri N's class and the

others I've taken have helped give me a working knowledge for treating

acutes within my family. It's not always so cut and dried though. We do

have a homeopath though that I try to consult with before even attempting to

treat myself or my family, since giving an acute remedy can affect the

chronic symptom picture.

I highly recommend homeopathy. It's an amazing science!

Kay

Re: Introduction

>

> Thanks, Kay! I have read a ton about homeopathy but I guess it seems

> like

> you have to have either formal training or an intuition for it. We paid

> the

> big bucks for my husband to consult with a homeopath and it did nothing

> at

> all, whatsoever, and I don't know why. How did you know what to do?

> What did

> you use when you had the flu?

>

> Thanks,

>

[Guest guest]

I highly recommend homeopathy. It's an amazing science!

Kay

--------------------------------------------------------

I second Kay's suggestion! I also wanted to add that treatment of chronic

disease issues is generally not a quick fix. You really have to be patient and

stay on course. My daughter has been under treatment for about a year now for

her mild ezcema. She's just shy of 3 years old and even at her young age, it's

taking a while! She is definitely improving though. One of my dogs is also

under the care of a homeopath. We've seen improvements in her general health

and temperment that training just wasn't fixing.

Definitely look into finding a homeopath that practices correctly!

Chris

[Guest guest]

>Hi Kay and ,

yes, I can confirm this too, since taking Sheri's course on homopathy,

I have learned so much and feel more confident to treat acute illness,

but never chronic. I always believed in homeopathy and even more so

when it cured my eczema but I wanted to learn more and how to treat my

son if he has a childhood illness, or other acute illnesses and I am

so grateful that I am doing this course.

I can really recommend it, it does not take much time but you do need

to keep up with the lessons weekly to benefit from it.

Ingrid

> Hi ,

>

> I started about 5 years ago by taking Sheri Nakken's online

Introduction to

> Homeopathy class. I have since taken 2 or 3 other online courses,

and I do

> alot of independent reading. Here is a link to a site with a

wealth of

> information on homeopathy: http://www.simillimum.com/

>

> Unfortunately people who dabble in homeopathy or who don't practice

> according to Hahnemann's advanced methods end up doing more harm

than good

> to the reputation of homeopathy. Sheri N. can give you some names of

> homeopaths that she recommends. There are MANY mediocre ones out

there. I

> went through 2 others before finding my current homeopath.

>

> I don't recommend anyone treat chronic issues themselves. It does take

> formal training and an intuition for one to be an effective homeopath.

>

> The remedy I came up with after repertorizing my flu symptoms would not

> necessarily be the one someone else would get. It's based on each

> individual's symptoms. There are no less than 15 remedies that

might fit

> the typical " flu " picture. What I learned in Sheri N's class and the

> others I've taken have helped give me a working knowledge for treating

> acutes within my family. It's not always so cut and dried though.

We do

> have a homeopath though that I try to consult with before even

attempting to

> treat myself or my family, since giving an acute remedy can affect the

> chronic symptom picture.

>

> I highly recommend homeopathy. It's an amazing science!

>

> Kay

>

> -

[Guest guest]

Thanks, y'all. I will keep this in mind for hopefully soon. I don't often

have any extra money, so it will depend on that. It's nice to hear from some

real people who have been able to do it!

In a message dated 2/3/2007 4:09:19 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

ingrid_schebesch@... writes:

Hi Kay and ,

yes, I can confirm this too, since taking Sheri's course on homopathy,

I have learned so much and feel more confident to treat acute illness,

but never chronic. I always believed in homeopathy and even more so

when it cured my eczema but I wanted to learn more and how to treat my

son if he has a childhood illness, or other acute illnesses and I am

so grateful that I am doing this course.

I can really recommend it, it does not take much time but you do need

to keep up with the lessons weekly to benefit from it.

Ingrid

> Hi ,

>

> I started about 5 years ago by taking Sheri Nakken's online

Introduction to

> Homeopathy class. I have since taken 2 or 3 other online courses,

and I do

> alot of independent reading. Here is a link to a site with a

wealth of

> information on homeopathy: _http://www.simillimhttp://_

(http://www.simillimum.com/)

>

> Unfortunately people who dabble in homeopathy or who don't practice

> according to Hahnemann's advanced methods end up doing more harm

than good

> to the reputation of homeopathy. Sheri N. can give you some names of

> homeopaths that she recommends. There are MANY mediocre ones out

there. I

> went through 2 others before finding my current homeopath.

>

> I don't recommend anyone treat chronic issues themselves. It does take

> formal training and an intuition for one to be an effective homeopath.

>

> The remedy I came up with after repertorizing my flu symptoms would not

> necessarily be the one someone else would get. It's based on each

> individual's symptoms. There are no less than 15 remedies that

might fit

> the typical " flu " picture. What I learned in Sheri N's class and the

> others I've taken have helped give me a working knowledge for treating

> acutes within my family. It's not always so cut and dried though.

We do

> have a homeopath though that I try to consult with before even

attempting to

> treat myself or my family, since giving an acute remedy can affect the

> chronic symptom picture.

>

> I highly recommend homeopathy. It's an amazing science!

>

> Kay

[Guest guest]

Yes, good point, Chris. Patience is definitely needed. 4 of our 5 family

members (including our dog) are under treatment and have been for awhile.

Sometimes it's 2 steps forward, 1 step back, but we've all definitely moved

forward.

Kay

Re: Introduction

> I second Kay's suggestion! I also wanted to add that treatment of chronic

> disease issues is generally not a quick fix. You really have to be

> patient and stay on course. My daughter has been under treatment for

> about a year now for her mild ezcema. She's just shy of 3 years old and

> even at her young age, it's taking a while! She is definitely improving

> though. One of my dogs is also under the care of a homeopath. We've seen

> improvements in her general health and temperment that training just

> wasn't fixing.

>

> Definitely look into finding a homeopath that practices correctly!

>

> Chris

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flowers, tincture them and get something beautiful from scratch.

Perfume making for me is only a hobby. I earn my life in telecom domain

I have a master's degree in telecom engineering. That for if you want to

tincture some electronic device I can be a great help for "

antonin

Hi Antonin,

And welcome, Ha, I know some computer folks who might appreciate

parfum d' mother board. From a purely, metaphorical representaion point

of view, a homeopathic strength tincture of micro chips might go well

with petgrain, neroli, violet leaf abs, bronia, seaweed, galbanum,

sandalwood, and vetiver to ground and balance wired poeple(me) who OD

on technology.

Best,

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Hi All, I appologize for the spelling errors, got to get a spell

checker.

Best,

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[Guest guest]

>>>A friend of mine gave birth recently, and

before she was discharged 3 doctors spent 2 hours on

her trying to get her to agree to vaccines

That would be very irritating, but instead of having

arguements and stress let me suggest what i did.

according to the schedule the first hep B may be given

12 hours after birth (this would be pushed in a hep B

positive mother)but if you look at the schedule (is it

the same in all states??) you can also start the

series 2 months after birth with all the others (i

know sickening). I just denied the shot, and said i

have lots of time, i want to do everything with my

regular doctor. it caused less stress for me, and

there was no interference. i actually expected a

fight and didn't get one.

you will have to find a family doctor who will let the

vaccine issue rest, i'm on number 4 and i finally have

a good one.

diane

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Hollie,

Let me let you in on a little secret, you don't have to give birth in a

hospital.

Homebirths are always an option and that way you don't have to worry about a

bullying doctor or nurse. I have had both a hospital and homebirth, let me just

tell you that I will never give birth anywhere near a hospital again!

Sara

---- Pixeleen <wannagirl43215@...> wrote:

=============

Hi all

I joined this group to read about the infant vitamin-k

shot discussion. I just learned in December that I am

unexpectedly pregnant. Me and the s.o. have 22

non-vaccinated pets. That is actually half the reason

we never wanted kids, because allopathic meds and

vaccines make us really angry. If the vet thinks she

hates us the pediatrician is going to have us

committed!!!

My experiences with vax began as a vet tech. I had 2

ferrets at the time, and couldn't understand why my 1

lb little girl and a great dane got the same shot. 8

hours after her first rabies shot, my female ferret's

bowels and bladder released, she started vomitting,

then she stopped breathing. Fortunately I was at work

with her, so she was saved. Thats when my 'obsession'

began, as well as my career change, I'm a dental lab

tech now, no shots there!!! I didn't want to watch

any of my pets go through that again. Despite one of

my vets assuring me that my cats, dogs, ferrets and

skunks would surely all perish from this that or the

other, somehow they've all lived

I've already read enough to know how to get out of the

vaccines. Escaping the vitamin-k thing is my next

goal, so I'll be in the archives for awhile more than

likely. A friend of mine gave birth recently, and

before she was discharged 3 doctors spent 2 hours on

her trying to get her to agree to vaccines. I am not

looking forward to that! Instead of going thru all

the shpiel that the doctors will probably decide is

'net rhetoric', we've decided to lead with the fact

that 'daddy's' mother has rheumatoid rathritis, and

'daddy's' father has parkinsons disease. At least

that sounds a bit more reasonably viable than what I'd

really like to say, which would be " VACCINES SUCK!!! " .

I look forward to learning lots more, no matter how

irritated it might make me

Hollie

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Hey Jenn L,

If you havn't already looked into it i would urge you to join ICAN. They

also have a list that is FILLED to the brim with moms who have HBAC

and a lot who have UBAC. I think it would be great for you to join. Here is

the link

_ICAN-online/_

(ICAN-online/)

In a message dated 2/24/2007 3:12:20 P.M. Central Standard Time,

jlessard1@... writes:

I have heard this before. Can someone please tell me how you know where to

cut the cord during a home birth? And, I would also like to know if there are

other mom out there that have done home birth deliveries after having a

c-section for their first? I guess my fear is in what I don't know about

delivering a child into this world. Jenn L

~Alyssa in IL

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dance like you do when nobody's watching. "

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nothing. "

" Knowledge is power but how you use that power defines wether you are good

or evil. "

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[Guest guest]

I have heard this before. Can someone please tell me how you know where to cut

the cord during a home birth? And, I would also like to know if there are other

mom out there that have done home birth deliveries after having a c-section for

their first? I guess my fear is in what I don't know about delivering a child

into this world. Jenn L

Re: Introduction

Hollie,

Let me let you in on a little secret, you don't have to give birth in a

hospital.

Homebirths are always an option and that way you don't have to worry about a

bullying doctor or nurse. I have had both a hospital and homebirth, let me just

tell you that I will never give birth anywhere near a hospital again!

Sara

---- Pixeleen <wannagirl43215@...> wrote:

=============

Hi all

I joined this group to read about the infant vitamin-k

shot discussion. I just learned in December that I am

unexpectedly pregnant. Me and the s.o. have 22

non-vaccinated pets. That is actually half the reason

we never wanted kids, because allopathic meds and

vaccines make us really angry. If the vet thinks she

hates us the pediatrician is going to have us

committed!!!

My experiences with vax began as a vet tech. I had 2

ferrets at the time, and couldn't understand why my 1

lb little girl and a great dane got the same shot. 8

hours after her first rabies shot, my female ferret's

bowels and bladder released, she started vomitting,

then she stopped breathing. Fortunately I was at work

with her, so she was saved. Thats when my 'obsession'

began, as well as my career change, I'm a dental lab

tech now, no shots there!!! I didn't want to watch

any of my pets go through that again. Despite one of

my vets assuring me that my cats, dogs, ferrets and

skunks would surely all perish from this that or the

other, somehow they've all lived

I've already read enough to know how to get out of the

vaccines. Escaping the vitamin-k thing is my next

goal, so I'll be in the archives for awhile more than

likely. A friend of mine gave birth recently, and

before she was discharged 3 doctors spent 2 hours on

her trying to get her to agree to vaccines. I am not

looking forward to that! Instead of going thru all

the shpiel that the doctors will probably decide is

'net rhetoric', we've decided to lead with the fact

that 'daddy's' mother has rheumatoid rathritis, and

'daddy's' father has parkinsons disease. At least

that sounds a bit more reasonably viable than what I'd

really like to say, which would be " VACCINES SUCK!!! " .

I look forward to learning lots more, no matter how

irritated it might make me

Hollie

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Thanks. Jenn L

Re: Introduction

Hey Jenn L,

If you havn't already looked into it i would urge you to join ICAN. They

also have a list that is FILLED to the brim with moms who have HBAC

and a lot who have UBAC. I think it would be great for you to join. Here is

the link

_ICAN-online/_

(ICAN-online/)

In a message dated 2/24/2007 3:12:20 P.M. Central Standard Time,

jlessard1@... writes:

I have heard this before. Can someone please tell me how you know where to

cut the cord during a home birth? And, I would also like to know if there are

other mom out there that have done home birth deliveries after having a

c-section for their first? I guess my fear is in what I don't know about

delivering a child into this world. Jenn L

~Alyssa in IL

" Work like you don't need the money, love like you've never been hurt, and

dance like you do when nobody's watching. "

" All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good people do

nothing. "

" Knowledge is power but how you use that power defines wether you are good

or evil. "

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[Guest guest]

First, I had a midwife " team " , who had been in the birthin' business for over

fifteen years, so I just left all of those details up to them. I have a friend

who had a c section with her first and a homebirth with her second and third,

both times with a midwife. I know this woman " in real life " so I know that her

" story " is true. If you would like, I can send your email address her way and

ask her to contact you. If you look through , you can find many

groups dealing with homebirth and homebirth after a c section.

Good luck!

Sara

---- J Lessard <jlessard1@...> wrote:

=============

I have heard this before. Can someone please tell me how you know where to cut

the cord during a home birth? And, I would also like to know if there are other

mom out there that have done home birth deliveries after having a c-section for

their first? I guess my fear is in what I don't know about delivering a child

into this world. Jenn L

Re: Introduction

Hollie,

Let me let you in on a little secret, you don't have to give birth in a

hospital.

Homebirths are always an option and that way you don't have to worry about a

bullying doctor or nurse. I have had both a hospital and homebirth, let me just

tell you that I will never give birth anywhere near a hospital again!

Sara

---- Pixeleen <wannagirl43215@...> wrote:

=============

Hi all

I joined this group to read about the infant vitamin-k

shot discussion. I just learned in December that I am

unexpectedly pregnant. Me and the s.o. have 22

non-vaccinated pets. That is actually half the reason

we never wanted kids, because allopathic meds and

vaccines make us really angry. If the vet thinks she

hates us the pediatrician is going to have us

committed!!!

My experiences with vax began as a vet tech. I had 2

ferrets at the time, and couldn't understand why my 1

lb little girl and a great dane got the same shot. 8

hours after her first rabies shot, my female ferret's

bowels and bladder released, she started vomitting,

then she stopped breathing. Fortunately I was at work

with her, so she was saved. Thats when my 'obsession'

began, as well as my career change, I'm a dental lab

tech now, no shots there!!! I didn't want to watch

any of my pets go through that again. Despite one of

my vets assuring me that my cats, dogs, ferrets and

skunks would surely all perish from this that or the

other, somehow they've all lived

I've already read enough to know how to get out of the

vaccines. Escaping the vitamin-k thing is my next

goal, so I'll be in the archives for awhile more than

likely. A friend of mine gave birth recently, and

before she was discharged 3 doctors spent 2 hours on

her trying to get her to agree to vaccines. I am not

looking forward to that! Instead of going thru all

the shpiel that the doctors will probably decide is

'net rhetoric', we've decided to lead with the fact

that 'daddy's' mother has rheumatoid rathritis, and

'daddy's' father has parkinsons disease. At least

that sounds a bit more reasonably viable than what I'd

really like to say, which would be " VACCINES SUCK!!! " .

I look forward to learning lots more, no matter how

irritated it might make me

Hollie

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Welcome LeAnn! Glad you found your way to the group. Hope you find

what you are looking for.

warmly,

Kim

On 3/9/07, MsDragginFly@... <MsDragginFly@...> wrote:

> I'm LeAnn and I'm 52 years old and I live in Wilmington, NC. I am a

> newlywed and I am the mom to two kitties, Shtinky and Peanut, and the

> stepmom to a vagabond kitty, Marlin. My husband is a corporate pilot so he

> is gone a lot. I am a housewife but I am starting my own pet-sitting

> business. I enjoy cooking and collecting recipes, gardening, home

> improvement, walking, bicycle riding, reading, motorcycle riding, and

> volunteering.

>

> I was a fat kid, I started gaining weight when I was 2 1/2 years old after I

> was sexually abused by a neighbor. When I was 26, I joined Weight Watchers

> at 231 pounds and thus began years of trying to lose weight. It took me 10

> years but I did finally get to my goal weight of 125 pounds (I think I

> stayed there for about 5 minutes). I struggled to stay in the low 130s for

> the next 25 years, until I moved from CA to VA (to care for my mom who had

> cancer) in August '03. Over the next 3 years, I gained about 25 pounds. My

> mom died in July '06, I got married in August, and I rejoined Weight

> Watchers in September (after I saw my wedding video...UGH).

>

> I got down to 138 pounds a couple of weeks ago (I'm 5' 7 " tall) and I looked

> in the mirror and I still felt fat. For some reason, I started bingeing

> again that day and I have not been able to stop.

>

> I belong to another weight-loss group but I feel like I have a unique set of

> problems...unlike people who have never been more than 20 pounds

> overweight. So that's what compelled me to join this group.

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Hi, Leann...I know you!!

AmyS

Introduction

I'm LeAnn and I'm 52 years old and I live in Wilmington, NC. I am a newlywed and I am the mom to two kitties, Shtinky and Peanut, and the stepmom to a vagabond kitty, Marlin. My husband is a corporate pilot so he is gone a lot. I am a housewife but I am starting my own pet-sitting business. I enjoy cooking and collecting recipes, gardening, home improvement, walking, bicycle riding, reading, motorcycle riding, and volunteering.

I was a fat kid, I started gaining weight when I was 2 1/2 years old after I was sexually abused by a neighbor. When I was 26, I joined Weight Watchers at 231 pounds and thus began years of trying to lose weight. It took me 10 years but I did finally get to my goal weight of 125 pounds (I think I stayed there for about 5 minutes). I struggled to stay in the low 130s for the next 25 years, until I moved from CA to VA (to care for my mom who had cancer) in August '03. Over the next 3 years, I gained about 25 pounds. My mom died in July '06, I got married in August, and I rejoined Weight Watchers in September (after I saw my wedding video...UGH).

I got down to 138 pounds a couple of weeks ago (I'm 5' 7" tall) and I looked in the mirror and I still felt fat. For some reason, I started bingeing again that day and I have not been able to stop.

I belong to another weight-loss group but I feel like I have a unique set of problems...unlike people who have never been more than 20 pounds overweight. So that's what compelled me to join this group.

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Hi LeAnn - welcome to our group! I look forward to getting to know you better.

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Hi LeAnn you're the same age as me! So sad you were treated so

shamefully! My so-called Father turned into a Dirty Old Man when I

was in my 40's and going through SEVERE empty nest depression and

because of all that that's the year that I gained over one hundred

pounds in one year that I still struggle with.

I read that the reason people who are sexually abused or molested

(in my case it was with words via mail and phone calls from him)

gain weight as a DEFENSE mechanism -- like there are some animals

that " blow themselves up " like the puffer fish, etc., in order to

make themselves look much bigger than they actually are, in order to

scare off animals that would attack them.

Learning about this has helped me understand my extreme weight gain

better but I still haven't been able to turn it around.

Most of the people in my birth family are very heavy but I never had

a problem with my weight until pregnant with my first child. I

gained so much weight, and starved myself afterwards to lose the

weight. It was easy but I know now it pretty much wreaked havoc with

my metabolism!

Things have been a struggle ever since, but it was something I could

fight, until like I said when I was in my 40's.

Since then I've been way over 200 pounds and the only two times I've

managed to get down to even 190 was almost by starving myself.

I feel so sad for all of us who have been treated so shamefully by

creeps and perverts, and if I didn't hate them so much maybe I could

feel some sympathy for them because obviously they were somehow

damaged by things that happened to them in their own lives. Why do

they have to take it out on us? And shatter our lives?

I don't know. I just know we have to refuse to let THEIR behavior

destroy US, so we have to begin choosing healthy behaviors including

eating and learning positive/nurturing life skills toward ourselves

and the people we care about.

Sounds easy, I know it's hard though. Just wanted to say hi and glad

to have found this group.

>

> I'm LeAnn and I'm 52 years old and I live in Wilmington, NC. I am

a newlywed

> and I am the mom to two kitties, Shtinky and Peanut, and the

stepmom to a

> vagabond kitty, Marlin. My husband is a corporate pilot so he is

gone a lot. I

> am a housewife but I am starting my own pet-sitting business. I

enjoy cooking

> and collecting recipes, gardening, home improvement, walking,

bicycle riding,

> reading, motorcycle riding, and volunteering.

>

> I was a fat kid, I started gaining weight when I was 2 1/2 years

old after I

> was sexually abused by a neighbor. When I was 26, I joined Weight

Watchers at

> 231 pounds and thus began years of trying to lose weight. It took

me 10

> years but I did finally get to my goal weight of 125 pounds (I

think I stayed

> there for about 5 minutes). I struggled to stay in the low 130s

for the next 25

> years, until I moved from CA to VA (to care for my mom who had

cancer) in

> August '03. Over the next 3 years, I gained about 25 pounds. My

mom died in July

> '06, I got married in August, and I rejoined Weight Watchers in

September

> (after I saw my wedding video...UGH).

>

> I got down to 138 pounds a couple of weeks ago (I'm 5' 7 " tall)

and I looked

> in the mirror and I still felt fat. For some reason, I started

bingeing again

> that day and I have not been able to stop.

>

> I belong to another weight-loss group but I feel like I have a

unique set of

> problems...unlike people who have never been more than 20 pounds

overweight.

> So that's what compelled me to join this group.

>

>

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Welcome LeAnn!

and I rejoined Weight Watchers in September (after I saw my wedding video...UGH).

Don't you just hate seeing yourself on video. It was a major factor that spurred me into trying to lose weight too. I'm so ashamed of how I look at my only daughter's wedding video. I'm only hoping i will look better at my son's wedding and at my grandkids graduation's etc....

I got down to 138 pounds a couple of weeks ago (I'm 5' 7" tall) and I looked in the mirror and I still felt fat. For some reason, I started bingeing again that day and I have not been able to stop.

Try and remember the battle you went though to lose all that weight. You don't want to have to go though all that again!

I belong to another weight-loss group but I feel like I have a unique set of problems...unlike people who have never been more than 20 pounds overweight. So that's what compelled me to join this group.

I believe being in a group where other people knows what you have been though or are going though really does make a difference. Having support from people really can make a huge difference in it.

[Guest guest]

Hi Leann, Glad you found us!

I was sexually abused 3 times when I was 13. So I started to "punish" myself for allowing it to happen by becoming bulimic and anorexic. I started by throwing everything up that I ate. BUT I hate to throw up so after a few months of it I just stopped eating. I got down to 105 yes I am only 5'2 but I was skeletal. Seeing the pictures of me at that time saddens me and makes me long for it again at the same time. Fast forward 3 years, I was "up to" 130, thought myself a COW and met my first husband. I was in that abusive relationship for 9.5 years. My Ex was so sadistic that he made the Marquis de Sade look normal. I started gaining with our first child, and kept at it for most of the time we were together. I realize now I was using the weight as a defense mechanism hoping if I got fat enough he'd leave me alone. Only thing is it didn't help. When he finally left me in 1996 I was up to 201. The day he left I started another diet. I started working out excessively

(more than 3 hours a day) and eating every 3 days. I got down to 134 by Oct. 1998.

Then I met my current hubby, an all around great guy. He wouldn't "let" me eat 1 time every 3 days, so I began eating. At first it was just a little but then more and more. Within the first 2 months we were together I gained 20 pounds. I didn't care because I was happy. The weight continued to creep up and now after 2 more pregnancies I topped out at 235.

It is a struggle everyday to eat sensibly. I either want to eat too much or not at all. As I said before I realized it was a defense mechanism, BUT what am I defending myself from now? I have the best husband, the best kids but I hate me.

Sexual abuse is a ripple in an immense pool. It resonates to our soul and keeps rearing its ugly head for the rest of our lives. Could your bingeing be a defense mechanism, because you are trying to protect yourself from future pain?

Just a thought.

Blessed be,