Re: Results - please help

[Guest guest]

hello sandra

i think it is generally accepted that people feel well with a much higher in the

range t3...yours is near the bottom despite taking 62.5 mcg. what time do you

take your first dose of t3 ...have you read paul robinson's book about taking

t3? ...from what i have gleaned it can be very helpful to take your first dose

early in morning to concide with what he calls the " main cortisol production

window " . your ft4 is very low but that would be expected if you have no thyroid

function and no exogenous imput of t4.

potasssium could probably be a little a higher ...avocadoes are a good natural

source (and they have good adrenal friendly fat) and so is lemon juice. bananas

are also high in potassium but they are also high in sugar and wouldn't be my

preferred choice.

b12 is too low and folate is a little high ...do you supplement with folic acid?

the b vitamins need to be in good relationship with one another. you could try

taking subligual b12 nuggets for a period of time to help bring your level up.

apparently high folate will often mask a b12 deficiency.

your creatine is just over the top of the range and may indicate stress on your

kidneys ...what has your endo said about that reading?

best wishes

trish

>

> I have been on T3 for about 8 months now - now on 62 1/2 mcg. At first was

over the moon with the improvement in a lot of my 30ish symptoms. This was after

16 years on T4 and becoming really ill with temps of 33 - 35. I saw Dr P and am

taking all the supplements he suggested - plus D3, B vits. Over the last month

or so, with horror, some of my symptoms are coming back. Have always felt

slugged in the mornings and am no better now.

[Guest guest]

Trish, many thanks for your reply and advice.

At the moment I take my first dose when I wake but I am reading 's book and

will probably try that system.

Do you think the low am cortisol can be the reason of low free T3?

My endo did not mention the creatine but rheumatology have said I have systemic

inflammation " of some kind " - whatever that means.

I do eat quite a few advocados and love lemon juice so that will be no problem.

I don't take folic acid..what does that do? Should the B12 sublingual be in

addition to the B complex I take?

Thanks for your help, sorry to have more questions!

> b12 is too low and folate is a little high ...do you supplement with folic

acid? the b vitamins need to be in good relationship with one another. you

could try taking subligual b12 nuggets for a period of time to help bring your

level up. apparently high folate will often mask a b12 deficiency.

>

> your creatine is just over the top of the range and may indicate stress on

your kidneys ...what has your endo said about that reading?

[Guest guest]

hi sandra

> Do you think the low am cortisol can be the reason of low free T3?

i have read that either low or high cortisol will stop cellular uptake of t3, so

yes, it could be the reason for your low ft3.

>I don't take folic acid..what does that do? Should the B12 sublingual be in

addition to the B complex I take?

folic acid is one of the b vitamins

http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/ingredientmono-1017-FOLIC%20ACID.aspx?\

activeIngredientId=1017 & activeIngredientName=FOLIC%20ACID

your level is just over range...there will almost certainly be some folic acid

in the b complex you take; do you have a diet high in green leafy veg? i have

read that some people don't convert folic acid to the active form (folinic acid)

and that can be the reason why it builds up in the blood.

yes, i believe you should take sublingual b12 ...the amount and type in a b

complex is generally too little and difficult for the body to use. b12 is more

complicated than other vits...the following is from my notebook but i'm sorry i

don't have a reference to where i got the info:

" B12 is bound in animal protein and needs pepsin to be freed. Pepsin is an

enzyme that can only be produced in sufficient amount if enough hydrochloric

acid is available in the stomach.

The stomach must also produce the protein called " intrinsic factor " (IF) which

then makes its way to the intestine so as to be available later in the B12

pathway. Other proteins called R Binders ferry the B12 into your small

intestine. Once there, IF with the help of pancreatic proteazes latches on to

the B12 and takes it to the ileum which is lined with receptors that can grab

the B12-IF complex and pull them into the blood stream.

Once in the bloodstream, another protein called Transcobalmin II carries Vit B12

to the various cells and then takes the excess to the liver for storage.

It is a more complex metabolic process than for other vitamins and can break

down at any point. "

people with hypothyroid tend to have inadequate stomach acid (and i think this

decreases as we get older anyway) and a consequence is that it gets more

difficult to extract the b12 from the foods we eat.

> My endo did not mention the creatine but rheumatology have said I have

systemic inflammation " of some kind " - whatever that means.

do you use a lot of polyunsaturated fats/oils? (sunflower, canola, corn oil for

example). these days most diets are very out of balance between

anti-inflammatory omega 3 fatty acids and pro-inflammatory omega 6 fatty acids.

the vegetable oils (as above) are already rancid due to being highly processed

but they are deodorised so we don't smell the rancidity! rancid = oxidised and

oxidised = inflammation.

upping your intake of omega 3 fatty acids should help to reduce inflammation as

will completely cutting out, (or greatly reducing) any intake of sugar and

gluten. sugar is very pro-inflammatory and the body uses masses of vitamin c to

neutralise it's effects and then that leaves our poor adrenals in a depleted

state!

> Thanks for your help, sorry to have more questions!

you are welcome and please ask any questions you want ...we are all here to

learn from one another and get our health better

trish

> At the moment I take my first dose when I wake but I am reading 's book

and will probably try that system.

>

> Do you think the low am cortisol can be the reason of low free T3?

>

> My endo did not mention the creatine but rheumatology have said I have

systemic inflammation " of some kind " - whatever that means.

[Guest guest]

hi sandra

> Do you think the low am cortisol can be the reason of low free T3?

i have read that either low or high cortisol will stop cellular uptake of t3, so

yes, it could be the reason for your low ft3.

>I don't take folic acid..what does that do? Should the B12 sublingual be in

addition to the B complex I take?

folic acid is one of the b vitamins

http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/ingredientmono-1017-FOLIC%20ACID.aspx?\

activeIngredientId=1017 & activeIngredientName=FOLIC%20ACID

your level is just over range...there will almost certainly be some folic acid

in the b complex you take; do you have a diet high in green leafy veg? i have

read that some people don't convert folic acid to the active form (folinic acid)

and that can be the reason why it builds up in the blood.

yes, i believe you should take sublingual b12 ...the amount and type in a b

complex is generally too little and difficult for the body to use. b12 is more

complicated than other vits...the following is from my notebook but i'm sorry i

don't have a reference to where i got the info:

" B12 is bound in animal protein and needs pepsin to be freed. Pepsin is an

enzyme that can only be produced in sufficient amount if enough hydrochloric

acid is available in the stomach.

The stomach must also produce the protein called " intrinsic factor " (IF) which

then makes its way to the intestine so as to be available later in the B12

pathway. Other proteins called R Binders ferry the B12 into your small

intestine. Once there, IF with the help of pancreatic proteazes latches on to

the B12 and takes it to the ileum which is lined with receptors that can grab

the B12-IF complex and pull them into the blood stream.

Once in the bloodstream, another protein called Transcobalmin II carries Vit B12

to the various cells and then takes the excess to the liver for storage.

It is a more complex metabolic process than for other vitamins and can break

down at any point. "

people with hypothyroid tend to have inadequate stomach acid (and i think this

decreases as we get older anyway) and a consequence is that it gets more

difficult to extract the b12 from the foods we eat.

> My endo did not mention the creatine but rheumatology have said I have

systemic inflammation " of some kind " - whatever that means.

do you use a lot of polyunsaturated fats/oils? (sunflower, canola, corn oil for

example). these days most diets are very out of balance between

anti-inflammatory omega 3 fatty acids and pro-inflammatory omega 6 fatty acids.

the vegetable oils (as above) are already rancid due to being highly processed

but they are deodorised so we don't smell the rancidity! rancid = oxidised and

oxidised = inflammation.

upping your intake of omega 3 fatty acids should help to reduce inflammation as

will completely cutting out, (or greatly reducing) any intake of sugar and

gluten. sugar is very pro-inflammatory and the body uses masses of vitamin c to

neutralise it's effects and then that leaves our poor adrenals in a depleted

state!

> Thanks for your help, sorry to have more questions!

you are welcome and please ask any questions you want ...we are all here to

learn from one another and get our health better

trish

> At the moment I take my first dose when I wake but I am reading 's book

and will probably try that system.

>

> Do you think the low am cortisol can be the reason of low free T3?

>

> My endo did not mention the creatine but rheumatology have said I have

systemic inflammation " of some kind " - whatever that means.