Re: Help required for painful muscles.

[Guest guest]

Hi Kathleen

That sounds painful, i'm sorry to hear you're suffering with all of these

problems.

Did you actually get the results for the ESR tests , etc, since as we know,

'normal' does not always mean 'ok'?

Are you on any HC or adrenal support?

One thing i read recently is that turmeric can help with muscle pain? A woman

in the health food shop swore by this strong extract of turmeric. There are

some turmeric products on iherb, and also amazon uk . I often read the reviews

on iherb to see what a particular product has helped with - eg,

http://www.iherb.com/Jarrow-Formulas-Curcumin-95-500-mg-60-Capsules/106?at=0

i think turmeric may affect cortisol levels, it's supposed to be a good anti

inflammatory. i don't know how it'd interact with your other meds though

have you had potassium, magnesium, calcium, and sodium tested?

> Could the problem with muscle's also go on to cause prolapses, be it gyny,

hernia's or bowel prolapses.

I don't know about that sorry

> Can the problem with muscles also prevent one from a good nights sleep, as

even if I go to bed early does not help.

Have you looked into melatonin - do you think that could help?

What meds are you on Kathleen?

Best regards

Chris

[Guest guest]

HI CHRIS

My GP said that the ESR was 27, and he said that it was normal.

The only medication that I am taking is 75mcg T3 devided into 3 doses, and

Prednisolone, which I was informed by Dr P also treats the adrenal glands, but

it has a drawback if over 5mgs a day longterm can cause osteoporosis, which in

turn I want to avoid. I am now on 5mgs of Prednisolone a day.

I have increased my VIT D2 TO 2000IU a day in case that was the problem.

I have also been looking at FibromyalgiaHope.com, and they say that muscles live

on blood and food travels to the muscle through the blood stream, and waste

travels from them.

It has a lot on this site, but one thing it says is that muscles need fat and

oil to lubricate them like a car engine.

Could the problem be with our muscles that they get stiff.

The problem is that they keep telling us that fat causes cholesterol, so what

sort of fat would help us Hypo's with our muscles without causing our arteries

to furr up with cholesterol.

Could fat in turn help with constipation by lubricating the bowel.

It states that vitamin E is required and that it lives off fat, and also vitamin

B1,B2,B3 and Beta Carotene. It also states VIT C, VIT B12,Magnesium,Manganese,

Iron, and Amino acids.

Basically it looks like if there is a problem in this chain, that what follows

after gets all out of balance, and this was very much like when I was forced to

drink lemonade allowed to go flat, at a time I could not eat.

As my GP told me that his wife had Fibromyalgia I am going to take this article

with me next week.I am also going to test him out on vitamins etc, as this

should be the first thing they learn in medicine.

My GP has not tested the magnesium or calcium, but sodium and potassium are OK.

Kathleen

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> Hi Kathleen

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> That sounds painful, i'm sorry to hear you're suffering with all of these

problems.

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[Guest guest]

Hi Kathleen

I seem to remember that when I had an ESR, the ref range was lower than 27? May

be worth checking to see what the range was?

Where do you get your prednisolone from?

> I have increased my VIT D2 TO 2000IU a day in case that was the problem.

Is that D2, or D3? I gather D3's the active form?

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> It has a lot on this site, but one thing it says is that muscles need fat and

oil to lubricate them like a car engine.

I also read that T2 is important for fibromyalgia?

> The problem is that they keep telling us that fat causes cholesterol, so what

sort of fat would help us Hypo's with our muscles without causing our arteries

to furr up with cholesterol.

someone else will know more than me but i thought it was carbs that were

implicated for problems with our arteries? Linus ing wrote about vitamin C

and lysine deficiency, causing problems, i think?

> It states that vitamin E is required and that it lives off fat, and also

vitamin B1,B2,B3 and Beta Carotene. It also states VIT C, VIT

B12,Magnesium,Manganese, Iron, and Amino acids.

Hypothyroid people have problems converting beta carotene to Vitamin A, i read.

Vitamin A is important to the intestines, i read?

vitamins and deficiency signs are discussed on here, don't know if it helps:

http://www.hertoghe.eu/patients/index.php?option=com_content & view=article & id=98 & \

Itemid=87 & lang=en

http://www.hertoghe.eu/patients/pdf/All%20vitamins%20deficiency%20tests.pdf

chris

[Guest guest]

HI CHRIS

I will have to start again now as my message disappeared.

I looked up on Internet about the ESR of 27, and it appears that it is normal

for my age.

My GP prescribes Prednisolone.

I do have VIT D2 as I could not get on with D3 as I was a strict vegetarian and

D3 comes from animals.

Today I forgot to take my midday T3 and the muscles were not as bad, so could I

need T2, or even try the natural thyroid again.

I did try it once, but in turn the muscle pain worsened, but perhaps I should

have increased it more slowly as I did with T3.

Some years ago I used to take Lycine from H & B which helped with cold sores, and

my GP at the time said that it helped with infections.

I do take some activated charcoal at times, and came across this bit about it---

" Activated Charcoal taken immediatley with Chlorella 15mins before

drilling/chunking out Amalgam will bind any swallowed mercury and also prevent

recirculation in the liver " .

Do you think this is correct. Will now look up some of your links.

From what you say about Beta Carotene, then too much food containing this would

cause problems if you cannot convert it to VIT A, so is it best to cut down on

foods containing Beta Carotene, and to take VIT A. This in turn looks like what

I said if there is a problem with one vitamin or Enzyme then everything further

on suffers in the chain, so does the Beta Carotene build up and become toxic.

Kathleen

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> Hi Kathleen

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> I seem to remember that when I had an ESR, the ref range was lower than 27?

May be worth checking to see what the range was?

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> Where do you get your prednisolone from?

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http://www.hertoghe.eu/patients/index.php?option=com_content & view=article & id=98 & \

Itemid=87 & lang=en

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> http://www.hertoghe.eu/patients/pdf/All%20vitamins%20deficiency%20tests.pdf

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> chris

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