Re: B12 and folate deficiency BUMP

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Hello

Could I bump this please as I would really appreciate advice here?

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> Could someone comment on these results please ? My husband has had two TSH

results in 2 years,both at 1.9 (0.3-5.5) He has also had the following folate

and B12 results

> Folate

> August 2010 4.4 ug/L (4.6-18.7)

> September 2010 5.0 ug/L (4.6-18.7)

> February 2011 8.9 ug/L(4.6-18.7)

> B12

> August 2010 194 ng/L (223-1132)

> December 2010 386 ng/L (223-1132)

> February 2011 273 ng/L (223-1132)

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> All these are very low and no medical advice or treatment was given.We

obtained the printout because we had read that mouth ulcers are a symptom of low

B12 and we knew it was low but not by how much. How much should my husband take

of both B12 and Folic acid to bring his levels back up. Other than tiredness, he

does not have any definite symptoms.Am I right in thinking on that TSH, he is

not hypo but could become so? Any comments and advice very welcome

Chrissie

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hi chrissie

the b12 and folate levels are more than a year old but both are too low and

could be the cause of extreme tiredness, foggy thinking and other typical

hypothryoid symptoms ...i may have missed it but i can't see where you have said

what symptoms your husband is experiencing.

the tsh on its own is not very helpful (and at 1.9 doesn't indicate hypo per se)

but given the low levels of b12 and folate it is likely that the thyroid hormone

is not being fully utilised at cellular level.

assuming current low levels of b12 and folate i would be inclined to take

sublingual methylcobalmin ...i think you can get them in either 5000mcg or

1000mcg...my inclination would be to take 2 x 1000mcg a day for a couple of

weeks and then reduce to 1 x 1000mcg.

regarding the folate, i must say i am not a big fan at all of folic acid and

would prefer to raise levels by eating kilos of leafy green veg (e.g. broccoli

and brussels). if i needed to raise my folate level and had to use a supplement

i think i would prefer to use folinic acid which is the more *natural* form.

it would be a good idea to supplement with a b complex as well so that the

various b's maintain their correct relationships to each other.

trish

(ps re the methlycobalmin ...this is the more active form of b12 and some people

who have methylation issues are advised to take the other kind of b12 which is

cyanacobalmin)

> >

> > Could someone comment on these results please ? My husband has had two TSH

results in 2 years,both at 1.9 (0.3-5.5) He has also had the following folate

and B12 results

> > Folate

> > August 2010 4.4 ug/L (4.6-18.7)

> > September 2010 5.0 ug/L (4.6-18.7)

> > February 2011 8.9 ug/L(4.6-18.7)

> > B12

> > August 2010 194 ng/L (223-1132)

> > December 2010 386 ng/L (223-1132)

> > February 2011 273 ng/L (223-1132)

> >

> > All these are very low and no medical advice or treatment was given.We

obtained the printout because we had read that mouth ulcers are a symptom of low

B12 and we knew it was low but not by how much. How much should my husband take

of both B12 and Folic acid to bring his levels back up. Other than tiredness, he

does not have any definite symptoms.Am I right in thinking on that TSH, he is

not hypo but could become so? Any comments and advice very welcome

>

> Chrissie

> >

>

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> Could someone comment on these results please ? My husband has had two TSH

results in 2 years,both at 1.9 (0.3-5.5) He has also had the following folate

and B12 results

> Folate

> August 2010 4.4 ug/L (4.6-18.7)

> September 2010 5.0 ug/L (4.6-18.7)

> February 2011 8.9 ug/L(4.6-18.7)

These results are very low Chrissie even though they have

improved very slightly. Your husband needs to get these tested again as these

are over a year old and may have changed. Post the results when you get them

together with the reference range. I cannot believe his GP didn't act on these

results - this doctor sounds downright dangerous. Meanwhile, he should start

to take 800 mcgs daily to help build his folate level up. Once this gets tested

again and we know where his level lies, we can make further recommendations if

these are needed.

> B12

> August 2010 194 ng/L (223-1132)

> December 2010 386 ng/L (223-1132)

> February 2011 273 ng/L (223-1132)

B12 is also extremely low. How on earth has your husband managed

to keep going. Again, he needs to get his B12 tested as a matter of

urgency and let us have the results. He is likely to need B12 injections to

build his level up, but meanwhile, he should buy Solgar sublingual B12 1000mcgs

and take 2 or probably 3 daily.

We cannot tell whether he might be suffering with symptoms of

hypothyroidism on a TSH results only. We would need free T4, free T3 and he should

also get checked to see whether he has antibodies to his thyroid, especially if

there are members of his family who have a thyroid or autoimmune disease.

Any chance he could change his doctor, which I would HIGHLY

recommend. What is the point of staying with a doctor who has the potential to

cause so much harm to his patients through a lack of knowledge of how to

interpret blood test results.

Luv - Sheila

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HI SHEILA

As B12 and Folate are mentioned here. This morning I asked my GP what vitamin is

most needed by a thyroid patient. He suggested B12 and Folate. I have managed to

get B12 from BOOTS which took some doing as it is not under the name of B12, but

success in the end.

I have learnt a lot about this Folate which is the natural form of B9, however I

was not able to get it, only a synthetic version which is Folic Acid, so any

advice as to where to obtain natural Folate would be welcome. Both these are

apparently to treat red blood cells. If one has too many white blood cells could

this in fact cause muscle pain. I wonder if they in turn used Pimozide to lower

the white cells, but in turn perhaps they went the wrong way and should increase

the red cells.

Another thought is could my GP be learning through s Book.

Kathleen

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You would have to Google to find out where you get natural

folate, and also, did Boots sell the sublingual B12 1000mcgs?

Sheila

As B12 and Folate are mentioned here. This morning I asked my GP what vitamin

is most needed by a thyroid patient. He suggested B12 and Folate. I have

managed to get B12 from BOOTS which took some doing as it is not under the name

of B12, but success in the end.

I have learnt a lot about this Folate which is the natural form of B9, however

I was not able to get it, only a synthetic version which is Folic Acid, so any

advice as to where to obtain natural Folate would be welcome. Both these are

apparently to treat red blood cells. If one has too many white blood cells

could this in fact cause muscle pain. I wonder if they in turn used Pimozide to

lower the white cells, but in turn perhaps they went the wrong way and should

increase the red cells.