Re: Depressed...

[Guest guest]

>

> I have been diagnosed by Dr Skinner as having an underactive thyroid, I saw

him in nov. My Drs disagree and will not prescribe any meds. I have been on

thyroxine ( 150mcg at present ) prescribed by Dr S and have felt improvement and

many symptoms have gone, however i still dont feel " normal " . I have added myself

a little t3 20mcg a day. I am still tired most of the time and have no

motivation. Had to leave my job due to being ill 2 yrs ago and still cant

imagine feeling well enough to go back, People irritate me now and i prefer to

be alone. I now think i am depressed too, i feel numb. Is there any hope of me

feeling like my old bubbly self??

>

Hi Zara, I was also diagnosed by Dr Skinner but had to wait another 2yrs before

the NHS would even consider treating me! You are not alone we are many and we

are understandably angry and upset at our treatment at the hands of the so

called professionals. I found this forum and the help I received on it

invaluable in my fight for treatment, it really helps to know as much as you can

about your condition so that they can't bamboozle you with their rubbish test

interpretations. Stay strong and believe that the light is there at the end of

the tunnel. Have you had your Vits/mins tested and your adrenal function? luv

Sue :0 X

[Guest guest]

Hiya, yes you will - it is a slow journey but you will get there especially with Dr Skinner treating you. I found I didn't start to feel properly better until I started taking Armour. I am now on 3 grains Erfa (which I have found to be pretty much the same as Armour) and 100mcg othyroxine. I had to build up to this which has taken me two years - now I feel back to my former self, well at least I think so, it's been so long I don't really remember what I was like before! Perhaps you need to try Erfa of Armour? I'd speak to Dr Skinner about it and see what he says. Good Luck and keep going! From: zaraj74 <zaraj74@...> thyroid treatment Sent: Saturday, 17 March 2012, 19:35 Subject: Depressed...

I have been diagnosed by Dr Skinner as having an underactive thyroid, I saw him in nov. My Drs disagree and will not prescribe any meds. I have been on thyroxine ( 150mcg at present ) prescribed by Dr S and have felt improvement and many symptoms have gone, however i still dont feel "normal". I have added myself a little t3 20mcg a day. I am still tired most of the time and have no motivation. Had to leave my job due to being ill 2 yrs ago and still cant imagine feeling well enough to go back, People irritate me now and i prefer to be alone. I now think i am depressed too, i feel numb. Is there any hope of me feeling like my old bubbly self??

[Guest guest]

Thanks for reply Sue, I have vit d deficiency which i am receiving injections

for but havent had any other vits or adrenals checked..which ones do i ask for?

x

>

> Hi Zara, I was also diagnosed by Dr Skinner but had to wait another 2yrs

before the NHS would even consider treating me!

*************moderated...... older messages deleted.

Please delete most of the message to which you are

replying.***************************************************************

[Guest guest]

Thanks for reply, I am considering ndt now so maybe that is the next thing to

do.. x

>

> Hiya,

>  

> yes you will - it is a slow journey but you will get there especially with Dr

Skinner treating you.

***moderated...... older messages deleted.

Please delete most of the message to which you are

replying.***

[Guest guest]

ps; what made your Dr eventually agree to treat you, were your levels out of

range? ps; just realised what you mean by minerals etc.. my b12 is in the 300

mark but " in range " my dr says they are good!! not sure about numbers of others

like iron etc apart from them being " in range " so my gp says everything else

is fine. x

>

> >

> > I have been diagnosed by Dr Skinner as having an underactive thyroid, I saw

him in nov.

***moderated...... older messages deleted.

Please delete most of the message to which you are

replying.***

[Guest guest]

Hello Zara - yes, there is hope of feeling like your old bubbly

self again, and we will do whatever we can to help you. However, do take small

steps and don't try to do too much at a time, as you will only become more

confused and frustrated. The first thing you need to do is to go through the

following associated conditions that go along with being hypothyroid to find

out what it is that is stopping the thyroxine from working as it should.

Doctors are not taught about these at medical school so you will never learn

about these from them. This is one part of your thyroid health you will have to

take into your own hands.

The main condition responsible for stopping thyroid hormone from

working is, quite simply, a patient’s thyroid hormone dose is too low

because the doctor or consultant refuses to increase it, because the serum

thyroid function test results appear OK. Sometimes, the thyroxine dose is too

high, yet patients still don't feel well. They continue to suffer. Some

reasons for this:

1. You may be suffering with low adrenal

reserve. The production of T4, its conversion to T3, and the receptor uptake

requires a normal amount of adrenal hormones, notably, of course, cortisone.

(Excess cortisone can shut production down, however.) This is what happens if

the adrenals are not responding properly, and provision of cortisone usually

switches it on again. But sometimes it doesn’t. If the

illness has been going on for a long time, the enzyme seems to fail. This

conversion failure (inexplicably denied by many endocrinologists) means the

thyroxine builds up, unconverted. So it doesn’t work, and T4

toxicosis results. This makes the patient feel quite unwell, toxic, often with

palpitations and chest pain. If provision of adrenal support doesn’t

remedy the situation, the final solution is the use of the active thyroid

hormone, already converted, T3 - either synthetic or natural. You can check for

such a possibility by going to the FILES SECTION of our forum http://health.grouops//thyroid treatment/files/

and scroll down to the folder entitled 'Medical Questionnaires' and complete

the Adrenal one. Let us know how you score. You can also get the 24 hour

salivary adrenal profile from Genova Diagnostics. See the File entitled

'Discounts on Tests and Supplements'. When ordering, write that Thyroid Patient

Advocacy is your medical practitioner. They will send out a kit to you and the

results will be sent direct to you. When you receive these, post the results on

the forum with the reference ranges and we will help with their interpretation.

2. Then, we have systemic candidiasis. This is

where candida albicans, yeast, which causes skin infections almost anywhere in

the body, invades the lining of the lower part of the small intestine and the

large intestine. Here, the candida sets up residence in the warmth and the

dark, and demands to be fed. Loving sugars and starches, candida can make

you suffer terrible sweet cravings. Candida can produce toxins which can

cause very many symptoms of exhaustion, headache, general illness, and which

interfere with the uptake of thyroid and adrenal treatment. Sometimes the

levels - which we usually test for - can be very high, and make successful

treatment difficult to achieve until adequately treated. As above, do the

'Candida Questionnaire' and let us know how you score, and again, you can be

tested by Genova Diagnostics to give you diagnosis.

3. Then there is receptor resistance which

could be a culprit. Being hypothyroid for some considerable time may

mean the biochemical mechanisms which permit the binding of T3 to the receptors,

is downgraded - so the T3 won’t go in. With slow build up of T3,

with full adrenal support and adequate vitamins and minerals, the receptors do

come on line again. But this can be quite a slow process, and care has to

be taken to build the dose up gradually.

4. And then there are Food allergies. The most

common food allergy is allergy to gluten, the protein fraction of wheat. The

antibody generated by the body, by a process of molecular mimicry, cross reacts

with the thyroperoxidase enzyme, (which makes thyroxine) and shuts it

down. So allergy to bread can make you hypothyroid. There may be other

food allergies with this kind of effect, but information on these is

scanty. Certainly allergic response to certain foods can affect adrenal function

and imperil thyroid production and uptake.

5. Then we have hormone imbalances. The whole

of the endocrine system is linked; each part of it needs the other parts to be

operating normally to work properly. An example of this we have seen

already, with cortisone. But another example is the operation of sex

hormones. The imbalance that occurs at the menopause with progesterone

running down, and a relative dominance of oestrogen is a further case in point

– oestrogen dominance downgrades production, transportation and uptake of

thyroid hormones. This is why hypothyroidism may first appear at the

menopause; the symptoms ascribed to this alone, which is then treated –

often with extra oestrogen, making the whole thing worse. Deficiency in

progesterone most especially needs to be dealt with, since it reverses

oestrogen dominance, improves many menopausal symptoms like sweats and mood

swings, and reverses osteoporosis. Happily natural progesterone cream is

easily obtained: when used it has the added benefit of helping to stabilise

adrenal function.

6. Then, there is the possibility of mercury

poisoning, caused through amalgam fillings - these might need to be removed but

you need to seek a Dentist who specialises in the removal of amalgam fillings.

7. One of the main reasons why thyroid hormone

is not being utilised at the cellular level is because you might be suffering

with low levels of iron, transferring saturation%, ferritin, vitamin B12,

vitamin D3, magnesium, folate, copper and zinc - these have to be tested

for, and treated. Ask your GP to test all of these, and when the results come

back, post them on the forum together with the reference range for each of the

tests done and we will help with their interpretation.

When you have been quite unwell for a long time, all these

problems have to be dealt with, and since each may affect the other, it all has

to be done very carefully.

Ask your doctor to work with you to help you find the cause. The

balancing of these variables is as much up to you as to your doctor –

which is why a check of morning, day and evening temperatures and pulse rates,

together with symptoms, good and bad, can be so helpful. To this end, check out

Dr Rind's Metabolic Metabolic Temperature Graph http://www.drrind.com/therapies/metabolic-temperature-graph

If your doctor tries to tell you that low levels of the above

mentioned nutrients have nothing to do with your low thyroid state, copy out

the following of just a few references to the research/studies that have been

done to show that there is a very big connection. Doctors are not taught about

this at medical school, so we have to help them where we can - so they, in

turn, can help their other patients.

Low iron/ferritin: Iron deficiency is shown to significantly

reduce T4 to T3 conversion, increase reverse T3 levels, and block the

thermogenic (metabolism boosting) properties of thyroid hormone (1-4). Thus,

iron deficiency, as indicated by an iron saturation below 25 or a ferritin

below 70, will result in diminished intracellular T3 levels. Additionally, T4

should not be considered adequate thyroid replacement if iron deficiency is

present (1-4)).

1. Dillman E, Gale C, Green W, et al.

Hypothermia in iron deficiency due to altered triiodithyroidine metabolism.

Regulatory, Integrative and Comparative Physiology 1980;239(5):377-R381.

2. SM, PE, Lukaski HC. In vitro

hepatic thyroid hormone deiodination in iron-deficient rats: effect of dietary

fat. Life Sci 1993;53(8):603-9.

3. Zimmermann MB, Köhrle J. The Impact of Iron

and Selenium Deficiencies on Iodine and Thyroid Metabolism: Biochemistry and

Relevance to Public Health. Thyroid 2002;12(10): 867-78.

4. Beard J, tobin B, Green W. Evidence for

Thyroid Hormone Deficiency in Iron-Deficient Anemic Rats. J. Nutr.

1989;119:772-778.

Low vitamin B12: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18655403

Low vitamin D3: http://www.eje-online.org/cgi/content/abstract/113/3/329

and http://www.goodhormonehealth.com/VitaminD.pdf

Low magnesium: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC292768/pdf/jcinvest00264-0105.pdf

Low folate: http://www.clinchem.org/cgi/content/full/47/9/1738

and http://www.liebertonline.com/doi/abs/10.1089/thy.1999.9.1163

Low copper http://www.ithyroid.com/copper.htm

http://www.drlwilson.com/articles/copper_toxicity_syndrome.htm

http://www.ithyroid.com/copper.htm

http://www.rjpbcs.com/pdf/2011_2(2)/68.pdf

http://ajplegacy.physiology.org/content/171/3/652.extract

Low zinc:http://www.istanbul.edu.tr/ffdbiyo/current4/07%20Iham%20AM%C4%B0R.pdf

and http://articles.webraydian.com/article1648-Role_of_Zinc_and_Copper_in_Effective_Thyroid_Function.html

NOTE: When your blood tests come back, ask your doctor for a

copy and remember to always get the reference range and post them on the forum.

This is because doctors will often tell you that there is not a problem because

blood tests have come back within the reference range. You need to know where

about in the reference range they are. We will again, help with their

interpretation

Luv - Sheila

I have been diagnosed by Dr Skinner as having

an underactive thyroid, I saw him in nov. My Drs disagree and will not

prescribe any meds. I have been on thyroxine ( 150mcg at present ) prescribed

by Dr S and have felt improvement and many symptoms have gone, however i still

dont feel " normal " . I have added myself a little t3 20mcg a day. I am

still tired most of the time and have no motivation. Had to leave my job due to

being ill 2 yrs ago and still cant imagine feeling well enough to go back,

People irritate me now and i prefer to be alone. I now think i am depressed

too, i feel numb. Is there any hope of me feeling like my old bubbly self??

No

virus found in this message.

Checked by AVG - www.avg.com

Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4876 - Release Date: 03/17/12

[Guest guest]

>

> ps; what made your Dr eventually agree to treat you, were your levels

>

Hi Zara, Yes my levels did eventually go out of the NHS's ridiculous range but I

felt awful for a good many years before they did, Dr Skinner uses the old method

of diagnosis, signs & symptoms, like they used to before some twat invented the

TSH test lol TSH is a bad test and causes people to suffer, or is it the

stupidly wide reference range, well anyway people suffer for way to long and it

is wrong! If you always get your blood test results together with the reference

ranges and post them on here someone will always be around to interpret them for

you and give very sound advice. Dont be fobbed off either, they have to give

them to you it is your right to have your own blood test results. Luv Sue X

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Zara,

>

> I suggest that you 'do a deal' with your doctor and in exchange for getting

> rid of a near useless thyroid gland which will probably continue to grow, he

> agrees to support you with T3 therapy.

>

I think Sheila intended this message for Elena!!??