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, my hubby was on zocor and had the side effects. I have heardif you have a side effect on one, more than likely you will with another oneGood luckJudyinMO latest blood resultshi folksJust had my bloodwrok done after a yearTotal 290LDL 210HDL 36Guess i slacked on the exercise...I had adverse reactions to liptior 2 yrs back and hadstopped all statinsnow my new doctor is stressing on ZOCOR 20mgsaying its safeI am still researching zocor , but it will be greatlyhelpful if anyone in this group can tell me about itThanksnelsonRegards Fernandes__________________________________________________________Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on TV. http://tv./

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I was taking lipitor for 2 years and had all the side

effects of other people. The doc. took me off of

lipitor and has now put me on vytorin saying it was

safe. Well to make a long story short I am starting to

have the same problems that I had with lipitor. He has

me on 10/20 mg of vytorin. I think vytorin is two

older drug combined and now called vytorin. This is

probably because the patent expired on the old drugs.

--- SueW <gswidemark@...> wrote:

> >>>now my new doctor is stressing on ZOCOR 20mg

> saying its safe

> I am still researching zocor , but it will be

> greatly

> helpful if anyone in this group can tell me about it

> <<<<

>

> Zocor is the one which blew away my hubby's immune

> system totally....

>

> Have you tried taking flax seed oil or fish oil on a

> daily basis? Takes about 1200 mg like 3 softgels

> but hubby's cholesterol went down to 190 (from 256)

> on flax seed oil and I have a friend who had similar

> results. These vitamins have no side effects at

> all.

>

> Best,

> Sue

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[Guest guest]

Yes, Sue, you are right. Vytorin is a combination of Zetia

and Zocor. Zocor has already gone off patent, but I do not think Zetia

has. There is a great deal of controversy about the need for lower

cholesterol so I would recommend you do some research.

I would strongly recommend four websites:

http://www.spacedoc.net/

http://www.freewebs.com/stopped_our_statins/ This is Fran's website.

Fran is a member of this list and the owner of the Stopped_Our_Statins

Group.

http://www.healingdaily.com/detoxification-diet/cayenne.htm

http://www.thegreatcholesterolcon.com/

These sites will give you information and alternatives to statins. If

you do take statins, you also need CoQ10. Without CoQ10 you are at risk

of congestive heart failure.

Gene Wolfe

At 09:34 AM 5/19/2007, you wrote:

I was taking lipitor for 2 years

and had all the side

effects of other people. The doc. took me off of

lipitor and has now put me on vytorin saying it was

safe. Well to make a long story short I am starting to

have the same problems that I had with lipitor. He has

me on 10/20 mg of vytorin. I think vytorin is two

older drug combined and now called vytorin. This is

probably because the patent expired on the old drugs.

--- SueW

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Just wondering if these results are fine, GP says all ok, no action needed.

Currently on Levo 75mg since last July. B12 injections for last 4 years.

B12 600.0 (187-883)

serum folate 5.3 (1.8-18.3)

serum ferritin 39.9 (10-204)

TSH 2.3 (0.35-4.94)

T4 11.4 (9-19.1)

Had E.C.G too, which they said was ok as was blood pressure.

Had the test as I feel so rubbish, freezing cold then boiling hot (never just

right)

breathlessness, palpitations, extreme tiredness. I don't sleep well either and

I'm fat, which at the mo seems the least of my problems.

Had bloods done in Dec 2011 for the same symptoms, told they were all ok and no

action needed

B12 680.0

serum folate 6.7

serum ferritin 53.3

TSH 1.3

T4 13.8

T3 4.46 (3.6-6.5)

Did email GP last week but have not had reply yet.

Any ideas??

Thanks

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Hello ,

Just wondering if these results are fine, GP says all ok, no action needed. Currently on Levo 75mg since last July. B12 injections for last 4 years.B12 600.0 (187-883)serum folate 5.3 (1.8-18.3)serum ferritin 39.9 (10-204)TSH 2.3 (0.35-4.94)T4 11.4 (9-19.1)Had E.C.G too, which they said was ok as was blood pressure.Had the test as I feel so rubbish, freezing cold then boiling hot (never just right) breathlessness, palpitations, extreme tiredness. I don't sleep well either and I'm fat, which at the mo seems the least of my problems.Had bloods done in Dec 2011 for the same symptoms, told they were all ok and no action neededB12 680. serum folate 6.7serum ferritin 53.3TSH 1.3T4 13.8T3 4.46 (3.6-6.5)Did email GP last week but have not had reply yet.Any ideas??

Hmmm – your results are not brilliant for someone on medication (all values are too low, except for the TSH, which is still too high), but then, on 75 mcg of T4 I would not expect miracles. As far as your GP is concerned, of course he would say they are ok – they are inside the ref ranges .... and doctors are generally not interested WHERE about in the ref range.....

To my mind... I would want your B12 a little higher, above 800. And your Folate should be quite a bit higher as well- towards the top of the range. Your ferritin is still much too low and you need to (keep?) supplementing. It needs to come up above 70, ideally around 90 -100.

And last, but not least, your thyroid medication is too low.... your TSH should ideally be between 0.something and one, your FT4 and FT should both be near the top of their respective ref ranges.

Soooo – get supplementing B12 (if you can't get any more injections, then buy Solgar's B12 nuggets (1000 iu) and take them sublingually. Ask your doctor for a prescription for Folate, because your level is too low, and you either need a prescription for iron too, or you buy it yourself (it's not expensive).

Please remember – do NOT take iron anywhere near your thyroid medication. You need to take iron (together with 1000 mg of Vit C) on opposite ends of the day from your Levothyroxine.

Your Levothyroxine dosage is too low... you should go up to 100 mcg for 4 weeks and – depending on how you feel then, perhaps even go higher. 75 mcg is not enough for you. If your GP does not play ball, then either ask for a referral to an endo, or buy some Levo yourself from either the US or Thailand (it's cheap) and up the dose yourself.... at least that is what I would do in your situation.

If an increase in your Levo medication does not bring any joy, and you still feel `not right' and won't lose weight, then – if it were my call – I would switch to NDT and buy it myself. It does not cost the earth, and frankly, I couldn't be bothered doing battle with the doctors. I would switch, see if it works better, and THEN confess what I have done (perhaps ).....

With best wishes,

from the other

[Guest guest]

Just wondering if these

results are fine, GP says all ok, no action needed.

No, some of these are NOT OK. I have deleted the ones that don't

appear to be a problem.

serum folate 5.3 (1.8-18.3) -

this is very low and you need to supplement with 400/800 Folic Acid. Speak with

my our GP. Point out that this has dropped since December 2011.

serum ferritin 39.9 (10-204) - this is too low.

Ferritin level preferably be over 90 and you need some form of elemental iron

supplement such as Ferrous Fumerate 200mgs three times daily. Take this with high

doses of vitamin C 1000 mgs three times daily. Point out to your GP that your

ferritin level has also dropped since December, quite drastically. If your

stored iron is allowed to drop like this, then your body will start using your

normal iron and you will likely become anaemic.

TSH 2.3 (0.35-4.94) - Your TSH has increased since

December, meaning there is insufficient thyroid hormone in the blood telling

you that you need an increase in your dose of levothyroxine.

T4 11.4 (9-19.1) - Your T4 level should be in the

upper third of the reference range (which you haven't given. Whenever you post

results, always post the reference range too otherwise, we have no way of

telling whether your results are at the top, the middle, then bottom, or even

outside the top or the bottom of the range). Once again, your free T4 level has

gone down since your December test.

Did they not test your free T3

this time?

Had the test as I feel so rubbish, freezing cold then boiling hot (never just

right)

breathlessness, palpitations, extreme tiredness. I don't sleep well either and

I'm fat, which at the mo seems the least of my problems.

The thing that I would do is to write

a letter to your doctor telling him that your results are NOT normal and that

you are not prepared to carry on with your present symptoms and signs without

anybody bothering to do anything to find the true cause for them.

List all of your present

symptoms and signs. Check these against those in our web site www.tpa-uk.org.uk under 'Hypothyroidism'

and then click 'Symptoms and Signs'.

Next, take your basal

temperature before getting out of bed in a morning and before you have had

anything to eat or drink. List these if they are 97.8 degrees F (36.6 degrees

C) or less.

Next, list all the members of

your family who have a thyroid or autoimmune disease.

Next, list the tests you would

like done that were not done previously, i.e. iron, transferrin saturation,

vitamin D3, magnesium, copper and zinc. Ask also for your free T3 to be tested

as T3 is the hormone your body needs - not T4 and you need to know whether the

T4 is converting to the active T3.

Next, ask for supplements for

your decreasing levels of ferritin, folate and T4. If these are refused, ask

for a second opinion i.e. a referral to an endocrinologist.

Last, ask your GP to place the

letter of requests into your medical notes and keep a copy yourself in case you

need it at some future date. Doctors pay more attention to the written word.

If your GP really does believe

that these blood tests are OK, you might be better considering changing over to

another doctor who cares enough to find the cause for your continuing symptoms.

Luv - Sheila

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[Guest guest]

Thank you and Sheila for your replies.

GP telephoned me yesterday to say that, although T4 is in normal range some

people just feel better on a higher dose. So I am to start taking 100mgs and

retest bloods in 6 weeks. I mentioned T3 not being done this time and he argued

that I had never had T3 tested. After many 'Oh yes I have, Oh no you haven't' -

I said look at my bleeding results. Oh you have, you shouldn't of!

He didn't know why on earth T3 had been tested as it's of no use and since I

have an auto immune thyroid problem T3 will never be tested. (?)

He also thinks ferritin and folate levels are fine and I am definitely NOT

anaemic. I also said I thought they should be higher in the range to help with

the B12. Nothing wrong with B12 level, he says, I am having injection every 12

weeks - enough B12 in me to last 3 years! I didn't get an answer why ferritin

and folate have gone down since last dec.

Think I will get some ferrous fumerate and folic acid tablets today.

--- In thyroid treatment , " " <christina@...> wrote

>

>

> Hmmm – your results are not brilliant for someone on medication

[Guest guest]

He didn't know why on earth T3 had been tested as it's of no use and since I have an auto immune thyroid problem T3 will never be tested. (?)He also thinks ferritin and folate levels are fine and I am definitely NOT anaemic. I also said I thought they should be higher in the range to help with the B12. Nothing wrong with B12 level, he says, I am having injection every 12 weeks - enough B12 in me to last 3 years! I didn't get an answer why ferritin and folate have gone down since last dec.Think I will get some ferrous fumerate and folic acid tablets today....

.... wise decision!

Your GP has some funny ideas in his head – I just love the logic about people with autoimmune thyroid conditions never needing their T3 levels tested. Good `un!! (((LOL)))

You just do what you set out to do, – help yourself. For B12 supplementation Solgar's B12 nuggets, taken sublingually, are the best. However – one question. Why do you get regular B12 injections? – is it because of pernicious anaemia by any chance? I am wondering, because for reasons I don't understand most doctors reject the very idea of B12 injections unless levels are going through the floor. So for your GP to agree to give you 12 weekly injections, I assume there must be a good reason for him to do so.... particularly given his otherwise rather limited grasp on the need for extra minerals and vitamins.

I am asking because I heard somewhere that even sublingual B12 (and certainly no B12 pills that you swallow) will not work in people with PA (pernicious anaemia). For them only injections are effective apparently. I do not know if there is some truth in that; does anybody else know?

Another question – what's your D3 level? Do you take D3 supplementation? Most people need it, particularly during the winter months.

When you supplement iron please do remember to take that

a) away from your thyroid medication by as many hours as possible (4 hours minimum), and

to take iron always together with Vit C (at last 500, better 1000 mg) or you might get constipation.

Well, at least your GP has upped the Levo ... so that's a step in the right direction!

With best wishes,

[Guest guest]

I have pernicious anaemia with injection every 12 weeks. B12 is not able to be absorbed in the stomach because it needs intrinsic factor, hence the injection.

Regarding sublingual, provided sufficient gets into the blood it would probably be fine, but I suspect one would have to take quite a lot for a little to be absorbed that way, which could be quite expensive. I know when I have used the sublingual ones more goes down my throat I think. For people who do not have pernicious anaemia it wouldn't matter too much if most of it melts and is swallowed, as they are able to absorb it anyway. Their depletion might be due to other things.

The nurse did say to me that once someone has started having injections any tests are useless. I suppose a bit like the TSH if you are already taking thyroid hormones.

Lilian

I am asking because I heard somewhere that even sublingual B12 (and certainly no B12 pills that you swallow) will not work in people with PA (pernicious anaemia). For them only injections are effective apparently. I do not know if there is some truth in

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> However – one question. Why do you get regular B12> injections? – is it because of pernicious anaemia by any chance? >I am wondering, because for reasons I don't understand most doctors> reject the very idea of B12 injections unless levels are going through> the floor. So for your GP to agree to give you 12 weekly injections, I> assume there must be a good reason for him to do so.... particularly> given his otherwise rather limited grasp on the need for extra minerals> and vitamins.> Yes I do have Pernicious Anaemia, discovered or should I say acknowledged while having tests for bowel cancer - which turned out to be a very large fibroid. B12 level had been under 100 3 years previously, which I knew nothing about and was ignored by gp.So I spent 3 years feeling as though I was dying and suffering with dementia, a stay in hospital with suspected heart problems. I was put on B12 pills for a month, which didn't work and B12 levels got even lower.So don't think gp had much choice but to start injections.> I am asking because I heard somewhere that even sublingual B12 (and> certainly no B12 pills that you swallow) will not work in people with PA> (pernicious anaemia). For them only injections are effective apparently.> I do not know if there is some truth in that; does anybody else know?Some people do find sublingual B12 help, in conjunction with injectionssublingual should be placed under the tongue to dissolve, NOT chewedso it's getting into the blood streamI use Jarrow methyl B-12 5000mcg Some also use a B12 nasal spray> > Another question – what's your D3 level? Do you take D3> supplementation? Most people need it, particularly during the winter> months.> Never had D3 level tested, but supplement it anywayI don't go out much during winterit's far too cold out for me!> When you supplement iron please do remember to take that> > a) away from your thyroid medication by as many hours as possible (4> hours minimum)>I now take Levo at bedtime, so will take iron after breakfast with myusual dose of 2000mg vit C, selenium, chromium and Vit D3> > Thanks alot for your input really nice name by the way regards number 2>