RE: iron and thyroid dilema

[Guest guest]

hey

iron really does stop thyroid metabolism properly.

i am taking my thryoid hormones in the early hours like 5 am then when i wake

taking the iron at least four hours after.

At some point in the day you must go at least 4 hours between so if you plan it

it is just possible but i know it is hard.

If you are on levo it is easier as you can throw all those down together no

problem.

I have started throwing all my piggy one down together to get it out of the way

take care

hugz

Dawnx

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[Guest guest]

I am taking armour. BUt I just am not remembering or getting way too busy to get

to the meds. So it is a definante no way can't do.

>

>

> hey

> iron really does stop thyroid metabolism properly.

> i am taking my thryoid hormones in the early hours like 5 am then when i wake

taking the iron at least four hours after.

> At some point in the day you must go at least 4 hours between so if you plan

it it is just possible but i know it is hard.

>

[Guest guest]

check this out!

I have to take TWO calcium tablets a day and TWO iron tablets a day!!

I cannot take the two calcium tablet together as they give me TERRIBLE stomach

pains, I have to take them at least an hour apart....same with the iron

tablets!!

Calcium and iron CANNOT be taken together, they have to be taken MINIMUM 2 hours

apart!

I am on NDT and I 'have to' multi-dose 3 times a day as otherwise I 'slump'!

So I take my NDT at 6am when I wake up (please don't ask me to set the alarm

clock to take it at 4am as I LOVE/NEED my sleep and I WILL NOT do this)

then take it again at 12 then again at 5pm

can anyone tell me how I can FIT IN the 2 calcium and the 2 iron in my day when

I go to bed at 10pm???

it's IMPOSSIBLE! if they have to be 4 hours apart from the NDT that is!

so I had to make a compromise....

6am NDT

8am iron

9am iron

12pm NDT

(if I forget to take one of my iron tabs in the morning I take it here at 2pm)

5pm NDT

9pm Calcium

10pm Calcium

BEDTIME!

ps maybe I can go onto intravenous iron therapy??? (I am on iron tablets for

life by the way!)

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>

> hey

> iron really does stop thyroid metabolism properly.

> i am taking my thryoid hormones in the early hours like 5 am then when i wake

taking the iron at least four hours after.

> At some point in the day you must go at least 4 hours between so if you plan

it it is just possible but i know it is hard.

[Guest guest]

> I am taking armour. BUt I just am not remembering or getting way too busy to get to the meds. So it is a definante no way can't do.

Hi ,

Like with everything else in life - we have to set our priorities right.... and health should be at the top of that list. We will always find the time (perhaps not always the money) for things we really want to do. It is just a question of working it out and then sticking to a plan - it is not impossible to juggle meds. Just sit down for a few minutes, think it through and make a plan.

OK, so if you can't remember to take them or don't get the chance to get to the meds, then find ways to remember and carry the pills in your handbag, have them on your bedside table, your kitchen counter – your desk... whatever you do, wherever you are during the day.... where there is a will, there is always a way. Most of us have mobile phones and we rarely leave those behind – so set some timers to remind you to take your meds and have the pills close to you, so you don't have to go hunting for them.

I have my pills distributed just about everywhere I am likely to spend time and once a week I refill my pill dispenser with all the supplements I need to take on a daily basis. It takes 10 minutes once a week to refill all the dispensers – for husband, dog and myself. I make the time for it, because it is important to me. There are even key-rings that have little pill boxes on them. Most of us find a way to carry our keys and our mobiles everywhere – so why not our pills? It really is not so very difficult to work out a workable schedule.

If you take iron and thyroid hormone together you are not doing yourself any favours. Don't know about the iron and if it would work, but the thyroid hormone definitely won't. Thyroid hormone binds to iron, calcium and soya – so by mixing the goodies you will lose about 40% of the thyroid hormone efficiency.... if it works at all. So at best you might have to take double the thyroid dose that you need (which costs more, and might lead to other problems, as what shows up in the blood and what is utilizes inside the cells is not always one and the same) and at worst you are losing nearly all the benefit from the thyroid hormone. How will you ever get better ??

Nobody ever said managing a thyroid condition was easy, and none of us have asked to be plagued with this wretched disease – but we are lumbered with it and we have to find ways to deal with it... nobody else can do it for us

Come on, – you can do it. Just think it through

With best wishes,

[Guest guest]

Really new to all this so others will know plenty more than me, but was reading

the other night something in the files section written by R. regarding iron

and the thyroid - if you look over there it may help plan out your supplements.

Going from memory i think the gap between iron and calcium supplements/foods is

just half an hour - going from what we were told by dr. some time ago when dd

was on iron.

Janet

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> can anyone tell me how I can FIT IN the 2 calcium and the 2 iron in my day

when I go to bed at 10pm???

>

> it's IMPOSSIBLE! if they have to be 4 hours apart from the NDT that is!

> so I had to make a compromise....

>

> 6am NDT

> 8am iron

> 9am iron

> 12pm NDT

> (if I forget to take one of my iron tabs in the morning I take it here at 2pm)

> 5pm NDT

> 9pm Calcium

> 10pm Calcium

> BEDTIME!

>

>

[Guest guest]

nobodysdriving that really sounds problematic

only thing I would say is that some of your tabs seem so hard on your stomach,

no chance of finding better ones, i mean ones that are kinder to your guts?

Otherwise, more than 24 hour days( or less doses of ndt seem the only options

:O/

blimey it is hard isn't it?

hugz

Dawnx

[Guest guest]

THank you Janet,

on the leaflet I have which comes with the Adcal3 (my calcium supplement) it

tells me that it needs to be taken 4 hours apart from thyroxine (though I am on

NDT) and also Iron!

Incidentally, why on the BNF it say that Iron can be taken TWO hours from

thyroxine but everyone else says FOUR hours? and why NDT would be different from

thyroxine (I know NDT is natural and thyroxine is synthetic but how does this

make any difference in when taking the iron).

How can the BNF be wrong in recommending 2 hours for the iron instead of 4?

ps my question is not to Janet but to anyone who is likely to know the answer

LOL

Thank you

xx

>

> Really new to all this so others will know plenty more than me, but was

reading the other night something in the files section written by R.

regarding iron and the thyroid - if you look over there it may help plan out

your supplements.

> Going from memory i think the gap between iron and calcium supplements/foods

is just half an hour - going from what we were told by dr. some time ago when dd

was on iron.

>

> Janet

> >

> > can anyone tell me how I can FIT IN the 2 calcium and the 2 iron in my day

when I go to bed at 10pm???

[Guest guest]

is very right,

it is difficult to get into this habit, especially if you are not an 'OCD'

person like me

but with a 'little' organising/perseverance you will get there!

Don't panic if you forget your iron once or twice in the beginning, but DO plan

a routine like said.

It has to be a routine which fits around your lifestyle of course or it will

fail

Take a little time tonight to sit down and write a plan of your day. Iron

tablets can be taken anytime in the day so long that they are AWAY from your

armour as described.

Use whatever 'tool' to help you remember, mobile phone alarm, post it notes on

doors at home/in the office where you work, or even tell colleagues at work to

remind you! I can't give suggestions as I don't know what you do in your day but

I'm sure you'll work something out

xxx

>

>

> > I am taking armour. BUt I just am not remembering or getting way too

> busy to get to the meds. So it is a definante no way can't do.

>

>

>

> Hi ,

>

> Like with everything else in life - we have to set our priorities

> right.... and health should be at the top of that list.

> OK, so if you can't remember to take them or don't get the

> chance to get to the meds, then find ways to remember

> Come on, – you can do it. Just think it through []

>

> With best wishes,

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

hehehehe Dawn

I have 'tried' you know but no, there is nothing else.

I have had a gastric bypass operation in the past and this is another 'curse' of

mine.

If I take the 'gentler' stuff (ie: spatone/floradix) it will just NOT work on

me, so I am stuck with prescription Iron double dose for the rest of my life,

same with Adcal D3 for the rest of my life as I have malabsorption due to the

bypass.

I already have b12 injections, have looked for calcium injections but these are

only intravenously apparently, iron injections I could have but I would have to

have them too often, they are expensive compared to tablets and my GP would

refuse to prescribe, if I had to buy them myself I'd go bankrupt as I am already

self funding too much for my health!!!

I tried to have the NDT twice a day I 'slump' in the middle of the day...I feel

SO MUCH better and fuller of energy dosing 3 times but I am still 'upping' my

dose of NDT so I could re-try dosing twice a day when I get to 3 grains and see

what happens, if this does not work I'll have to go back to 3 times a day

xxx

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> nobodysdriving that really sounds problematic

> only thing I would say is that some of your tabs seem so hard on your stomach,

no chance of finding better ones, i mean ones that are kinder to your guts?

Otherwise, more than 24 hour days( or less doses of ndt seem the only options

:O/

> blimey it is hard isn't it?

> hugz

> Dawnx

>

[Guest guest]

Unfortunately, with this illness, we have to do things that

don't always fit in easily with our life style, but you either do it, or you don't.

You either want to regain your full health, or you don't. It's as simple as

that. No messin'!

Take your first dose of thyroid when you wake, and your first

iron about 12 noon. Take your second dose of thyroid around 4.00p.m. and your

next lot of iron around 8.00p.m. Buy a little pill box and put your daily doses

in there.

Carry both of these around with you wherever you go and ask

somebody to remind you to take them, in case you forget.

Luv - Sheila

I know I am not suppose to take iron and

thyroid together but this has been really hard making me forget to taking iron

many times because I am suppose to take iron 2x daily @ 325mg each and then the

thyroid 2x a day too and this is just to much to remember how bad is it to just

take them together?

Thanks

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[Guest guest]

It's a hard balancing act for you then if its saying the iron and calcium need

to be 4 hours apart. Would also be interested in the difference between the

bnf's guidelines and what others say. Am wondering whether they may you can take

the thyroxine and then iron 2 hours after rather than vice versa?

Janet

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> THank you Janet,

> on the leaflet I have which comes with the Adcal3 (my calcium supplement) it

tells me that it needs to be taken 4 hours apart from thyroxine (though I am on

NDT) and also Iron!

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[Guest guest]

Hi,I have my mobile phone set for 3pm to remind me to take afternoon dose. Hope this helps.Luv Connelly (Skinnerette) From: Sheila <sheila@...> thyroid treatment Sent: Friday, 16

March 2012, 8:57 Subject: RE: iron and thyroid dilema

Unfortunately, with this illness, we have to do things that

don't always fit in easily with our life style, but you either do it, or you don't.

You either want to regain your full health, or you don't. It's as simple as

that. No messin'! Take your first dose of thyroid when you wake, and your first

iron about 12 noon. Take your second dose of thyroid around 4.00p.m. and your

next lot of iron around 8.00p.m. Buy a little pill box and put your daily doses

in there. Carry both of these around with you wherever you go and ask

somebody to remind you to take them, in case you forget. Luv - Sheila

I know I am not suppose to take iron and

thyroid together but this has been really hard making me forget to taking iron

many times because I am suppose to take iron 2x daily @ 325mg each and then the

thyroid 2x a day too and this is just to much to remember how bad is it to just

take them together?

Thanks

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[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila,

calcium and iron 'still' need to be taken quite far apart from each other, they

'do' interfere with each other's absorption, this is also listed on the BNF

interactions if you look at them. Whether the argument is 2 hours or 4hours

apart in between calcium and iron I am not sure, as I work in a hospital I shall

call the pharmacy and ask them and put an end to it

I take Nature-Throid so sublingual is not an option and yes I do not do it

'deliberatelly' to take the iron 2 hours after my NDT, but as demonstrated in my

earlier post I have 'no choice' if I dose my NDT 3 times a day. However from

today I am going to 'trial' going back to twice a day now that I am on 2.5

grains rather than 2 grains. When I was on 2 grains the twice a day regime was

not working and I was getting a bad 'slump' in between 10am and 1pm... and 'had'

to go to 3 times a day.

If I can 'survive' on dosing 'only' twice a day then there is a light at the end

of the tunnel! fingers crossed, if not then iron will 'have' to be 2 hours after

NDT, life is life and if I don't take iron I will become anaemic if I dont' take

the NDT I will become hypo so I am 'stuck' LOL

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> It means you need to take calcium AND iron four hours apart from thyroid

> hormone, not from each other.

>

> If you are taking natural thyroid hormone replacement such as Erfa 'Thyroid'

> you can take this sublingually

> Personally, I would not run the risk of taking thyroid hormone two hours

> apart from iron/calcium

doing the job it's supposed to.

>

> Luv - Sheila

[Guest guest]

> It means you need to take calcium AND iron four hours apart from thyroid

hormone, not from each other.

oddly enough i was looking through a notebook today where i had written " don't

take calcium and iron together " ...i've done a quick search and found the

following:

http://www.livestrong.com/article/249493-can-you-take-a-multivitamin-supplement-\

a-calcium-supplement-at-the-same-time/

" Iron Absorption

Some multivitamins contain iron. Iron and calcium compete for absorption in your

small intestine. According to the Linus ing Institute, you should take your

iron supplements or iron-containing multivitamin at least two hours apart from

your calcium supplement. This will increase your iron absorption "

trish

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> It means you need to take calcium AND iron four hours apart from thyroid

> hormone, not from each other.