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It sounds as if you could be suffering with one of the many

associated conditions that go along with symptoms of hypothyroidism and you

should go through each one of these to check (through a process of elimination)

that one (or more) of these is not the cause for not being able to increase

your dose. First, if you are getting palpitations when increasing your dose of

T3, take 500mgs Magnesium Citrate and this should help ease them. If you are

suffering with any of these conditions, no amount of thyroid hormone can be

properly utilised at the cellular level until whatever you are suffering has

been treated.

1. You may be suffering with low adrenal

reserve. The production of T4, its conversion to T3, and the receptor uptake

requires a normal amount of adrenal hormones, notably, of course, cortisone.

(Excess cortisone can shut production down, however.) This is what happens if

the adrenals are not responding properly, and provision of cortisone usually

switches it on again. But sometimes it doesn’t. If the

illness has been going on for a long time, the enzyme seems to fail. This

conversion failure (inexplicably denied by many endocrinologists) means the

thyroxine builds up, unconverted. So it doesn’t work, and T4

toxicosis results. This makes the patient feel quite unwell, toxic, often with

palpitations and chest pain. If provision of adrenal support doesn’t

remedy the situation, the final solution is the use of the active thyroid

hormone, already converted, T3 - either synthetic or natural. You can check for

such a possibility by going to the FILES SECTION of our forum http://health.grouops//thyroid treatment/files/

and scroll down to the folder entitled 'Medical Questionnaires' and complete

the Adrenal one. Let us know how you score. You can also get the 24 hour

salivary adrenal profile from Genova Diagnostics. See the File entitled

'Discounts on Tests and Supplements'. When ordering, write that Thyroid Patient

Advocacy is your medical practitioner. They will send out a kit to you and the

results will be sent direct to you. When you receive these, post the results on

the forum with the reference ranges and we will help with their interpretation.

2. Then, we have systemic candidiasis. This is

where candida albicans, yeast, which causes skin infections almost anywhere in

the body, invades the lining of the lower part of the small intestine and the

large intestine. Here, the candida sets up residence in the warmth and

the dark, and demands to be fed. Loving sugars and starches, candida can

make you suffer terrible sweet cravings. Candida can produce toxins which

can cause very many symptoms of exhaustion, headache, general illness, and

which interfere with the uptake of thyroid and adrenal treatment.

Sometimes the levels - which we usually test for - can be very high, and make

successful treatment difficult to achieve until adequately treated. As above,

do the 'Candida Questionnaire' and let us know how you score, and again, you

can be tested by Genova Diagnostics to give you diagnosis.

3. Then there is receptor resistance which

could be a culprit. Being hypothyroid for some considerable time may

mean the biochemical mechanisms which permit the binding of T3 to the

receptors, is downgraded - so the T3 won’t go in. With slow build

up of T3, with full adrenal support and adequate vitamins and minerals, the

receptors do come on line again. But this can be quite a slow process,

and care has to be taken to build the dose up gradually.

4. And then there are Food allergies. The most

common food allergy is allergy to gluten, the protein fraction of wheat. The

antibody generated by the body, by a process of molecular mimicry, cross reacts

with the thyroperoxidase enzyme, (which makes thyroxine) and shuts it

down. So allergy to bread can make you hypothyroid. There may be other

food allergies with this kind of effect, but information on these is

scanty. Certainly allergic response to certain foods can affect adrenal

function and imperil thyroid production and uptake.

5. Then we have hormone imbalances. The whole

of the endocrine system is linked; each part of it needs the other parts to be

operating normally to work properly. An example of this we have seen

already, with cortisone. But another example is the operation of sex

hormones. The imbalance that occurs at the menopause with progesterone

running down, and a relative dominance of oestrogen is a further case in point

– oestrogen dominance downgrades production, transportation and uptake of

thyroid hormones. This is why hypothyroidism may first appear at the

menopause; the symptoms ascribed to this alone, which is then treated –

often with extra oestrogen, making the whole thing worse. Deficiency in

progesterone most especially needs to be dealt with, since it reverses

oestrogen dominance, improves many menopausal symptoms like sweats and mood

swings, and reverses osteoporosis. Happily natural progesterone cream is

easily obtained: when used it has the added benefit of helping to stabilise

adrenal function.

6. Then, there is the possibility of mercury

poisoning, caused through amalgam fillings - these might need to be removed but

you need to seek a Dentist who specialises in the removal of amalgam fillings.

7. One of the main reasons why thyroid hormone

is not being utilised at the cellular level is because you might be suffering

with low levels of iron, transferring saturation%, ferritin, vitamin B12,

vitamin D3, magnesium, folate, copper and zinc - these have to be tested

for, and treated.

When you have been

quite unwell for a long time, all these problems have to be dealt with, and

since each may affect the other, it all has to be done very carefully.

Ask your doctor to

work with you to help you find the cause. The balancing of these variables is

as much up to you as to your doctor – which is why a check of morning,

day and evening temperatures and pulse rates, together with symptoms, good and

bad, can be so helpful. To this end, check out Dr Rind's Metabolic Metabolic

Temperature Graph http://www.drrind.com/therapies/metabolic-temperature-graph

If your doctor tries

to tell you that low levels of the above mentioned nutrients have nothing to do

with your low thyroid state, copy out the following of just a few references to

the research/studies that have been done to show that there is a very big

connection. Doctors are not taught about this at medical school, so we have to

help them where we can - so they, in turn, can help their other patients.

Low iron/ferritin: Iron deficiency is

shown to significantly reduce T4 to T3 conversion, increase reverse T3 levels,

and block the thermogenic (metabolism boosting) properties of thyroid hormone

(1-4). Thus, iron deficiency, as indicated by an iron saturation below 25 or a

ferritin below 70, will result in diminished intracellular T3 levels.

Additionally, T4 should not be considered adequate thyroid replacement if iron

deficiency is present (1-4)).

1.

Dillman E, Gale C, Green W, et al. Hypothermia in iron deficiency due to

altered triiodithyroidine metabolism. Regulatory, Integrative and Comparative

Physiology 1980;239(5):377-R381.

2.

SM, PE, Lukaski HC. In vitro hepatic thyroid hormone deiodination

in iron-deficient rats: effect of dietary fat. Life Sci 1993;53(8):603-9.

3.

Zimmermann MB, Köhrle J. The Impact of Iron and Selenium Deficiencies on Iodine

and Thyroid Metabolism: Biochemistry and Relevance to Public Health. Thyroid

2002;12(10): 867-78.

4.

Beard J, tobin B, Green W. Evidence for Thyroid Hormone Deficiency in

Iron-Deficient Anemic Rats. J. Nutr. 1989;119:772-778.

Low vitamin B12: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18655403

Low vitamin D3: http://www.eje-online.org/cgi/content/abstract/113/3/329

and http://www.goodhormonehealth.com/VitaminD.pdf Low

magnesium: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC292768/pdf/jcinvest00264-0105.pdf

Low folate: http://www.clinchem.org/cgi/content/full/47/9/1738

and http://www.liebertonline.com/doi/abs/10.1089/thy.1999.9.1163

Low copper http://www.ithyroid.com/copper.htm

http://www.drlwilson.com/articles/copper_toxicity_syndrome.htm

http://www.ithyroid.com/copper.htm

http://www.rjpbcs.com/pdf/2011_2(2)/68.pdf

http://ajplegacy.physiology.org/content/171/3/652.extract

Low zinc:http://www.istanbul.edu.tr/ffdbiyo/current4/07%20Iham%20AM%C4%B0R.pdf

and http://articles.webraydian.com/article1648-Role_of_Zinc_and_Copper_in_Effective_Thyroid_Function.html

· NOTE:

When your blood tests come back, ask your doctor for a copy and remember to

always get the reference range and post them on the forum. This is because

doctors will often tell you that there is not a problem because blood tests

have come back within the reference range. You need to know where about in the

reference range they are. We will again, help with their

Luv - Sheila

Blood pressure has come back down to 115/67 but heart rate still 80ish which I

know is ok but normal for me is I think about 70 and it's not budged all day.

When I was hypo and increasing my dose it was usually 60ish. Still getting

slightly raised heart rate, palpitations and skipped beats, mostly when I get

up to do something which triggers it.

Also may have had GI symptoms - not quite diarrohea (sorry) but not normal.

How long until the T3 leaves my system? I would have thought it would be gone

by now? But my body's not settled back down yet.

But...

I'm now getting new chest pains which I think are similar to the ones I got

when I lowered my dose previously and they were hypo symptoms which seemed to

go with a dose increase (sorry, 3 types of chest pains here - it's getting

complicated so understand if I've lost you :-) )

Just don't really know what to do really.

xx

>

> Hi,

>

> How much have you been taking? Have you lowered your dose of T4 (if you

were on it....)

>

> What signs of being hyper do you have?

>

> sorry, a bit more info would help..... It's quite hard to go hyper just

from a slightly increased dose of T3...... despite what the scare stories tell

you......

>

> x

>

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Grasp the nettle and face it that your problem just might be

heart related with the symptoms you are getting, and it could be that you are

suffering with Angina. If this happens again, telephone NHS direct or try to

speak to your GP. He will want you to either go to the surgery or to your local

hospital for an ECG as they need to do this during such an episode of pain in

your chest with pain going down left arm and into your neck.

It might help meanwhile to take an aspirin and take magnesium,

if you get any more palpitations to see if that helps, but you must get an ECG

and not put this off. I may well be wrong, but it is better to be safe than

sorry. You might be experiencing an early warning. I doubt the T3 at such a

tiny dose would cause the symptoms you are feeling.

Read the following information http://www.bupa.co.uk/individuals/health-information/directory/a/angina

Luv - Sheila

Hello, please could someone help me with my

below problem? I don't know what to do.

>

> I was feeling a bit better today as hadn't taken any t3 since yesterday

afternoon (2.5mcg all day). This morning my pulse was down somewhere in the 70s

and was getting fewer skipped beats and by the afternoon I thought this had

gone. I started to feel really tired and was getting head rushes so decided I

needed another dose. I took 2.5mcg and this got rid of the head rushes and I

felt less tired but it gave me palpitations a couple of hours after.

>

> This wore off, then tonight I stupidly had half a glass of wine and

started getting palpitations, stabbing pains and my chest and an ache down my

left arm and up into my neck. This seems to be going now but I'm really

confused as to what's going on.

>

> I don't think I'm going to touch any more for a while and certainly no

alcohol.

>

> Does anyone have any idea what's going on?!?!?! Would appreciate any

advice.

>

> Thanks xx

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Where did you get the T3? I tried some once from a body building site and got terrible reactions, I think there was a lot of other rubbish in it.Just a thought. Caroline Hi, please could someone help me? I'm so confused by this. Thanks a lot xx---------------------------------------------I think I can therefore conclude that it's the t3 which has upset my system abit? The capsules I'm taking are unlicensed as they're only 2.5mcg so I wonderif maybe that's something to do with it?

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This is exactly why we have a document in our files section - thyroid treatment/files/

that shows the reputable Internet Pharmacies where you can buy such medicines

safely. Open the folder entitled 'Discounts on Tests and Supplements' and you

will find all the information you need there.

Luv - Sheila

Where did you get the T3?

I tried some once from a body building

site and got terrible reactions, I think there was a lot of other rubbish in it.

Just a thought.

Caroline

Hi, please could someone help me? I'm so confused by this. Thanks a lot xx

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I think I can therefore conclude that it's the t3 which has upset my system a

bit? The capsules I'm taking are unlicensed as they're only 2.5mcg so I wonder

if maybe that's something to do with it?

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We're trying to help, but you also need to help yourself too. I

did post the other day a list of the many associated conditions that go along

with being hypothyroid that you should check for, but you just wrote back to

say you didn't believe any of these were anything to do with you….but you

really should go through each one by way of a process of elimination. Especially,

you should ask your GP if he will check your levels of iron, transferrin

saturation%, ferritin, vitamin B12, vitamin D3, magnesium, folate, copper and

zinc. Don't just assume that he will not do these tests. Doctors are there to

help find the cause of your symptoms.

Your raised CRP could be because you have some 'hidden'

infection that you don't know about. Have you considered, for instance, that

you might be suffering with systemic candidiasis, and this would cause your CRP

to be raised.

Check http://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/c-reactive-protein-crp

..

Luv - Sheila

Hi, please could someone help me? I'm so

confused by this. Thanks a lot xx

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Thanks for your message and the link. This is certainly a possibility I have

been considering. I ended up going to A & E last night just to be sure and

get

checked out. 3 ECGs were fine and the troponin blood test was negative so they

said I could go. So my heart hadn't been damaged. CRP was 10 (top of the range

was 7) but noone seemed bothered by this. I am in my 20s and am a normal BMI.

Normal blood pressure and heart rate.

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