Re: severe mood swings.

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> Ive been hypothyroid for about 8 months,not very long compared with what I have been reading from others, so I am comparatively new to this.I have all the classic symptoms . I also have extremely severe mood swings ( I saw Dr.Petefield in Feb and forgot to tell him this) I can go for approx. 5/7 days feeling alsmost suicidal, and then is lifts for a few days.When its bad I can barely leave my bedroom, I cant be with my small grandchildren, who I love dearly. I cry most of the time, Ive no interest in anything at all. On "good" days I can just about go out, but if I meet anyone I know I burst into tears.Has anyone else experienced this? I am considering taking some antidepressants. I am on Dr.Ps 6 weeks plan at the moment,I am not taking any thyroid meds, but will be in about another 10 days.

Hi Ann,

well..... DON'T (take antidepressants, that is)

Have faith in Dr. Peatfield and follow his protocol. Everything you are experiencing now is perfectly to be expected within the realms of untreated thyroid disease. Once he's got you onto thyroid medication, things will change.

It took you years to get to the hopeless stage you are in now. It will take you a few month to get out of it. Just hang in there. Things will get better ! It just takes time.

with best wishes,

[Guest guest]

Hello

Ann

Have

you been able to ask your GP to test your levels of iron, transferrin

saturation%, ferritin, vitamin B12, vitamin D3, magnesium, folate, copper and

zinc. If not, please get these tests done as a matter of urgency and when the

results have come back, let us know what they are together with the reference

range for each of the tests done and we can help with their interpretation.

Check out also the associated conditions that go along with being

hypothyroidism. You need to go through these carefully by way of a process of

elimination. If you are suffering with any of these, just like low levels of

the minerals/vitamins listed above, no amount of thyroid hormone can be fully

utilised in the cells until they have been treated - not even your own:

The

main condition responsible for stopping thyroid hormone from working is, quite

simply, a patient’s thyroid hormone dose is too low because the doctor or

consultant refuses to increase it, because the serum thyroid function test

results appear OK. Sometimes, the thyroxine dose is too high, yet patients

still don't feel well. They continue to suffer. Some reasons for this:

1.

You may be suffering with low adrenal reserve. The production of T4, its

conversion to T3, and the receptor uptake requires a normal amount of adrenal

hormones, notably, of course, cortisone. (Excess cortisone can shut production

down, however.) This is what happens if the adrenals are not responding

properly, and provision of cortisone usually switches it on again. But

sometimes it doesn’t. If the illness has been going on for a long

time, the enzyme seems to fail. This conversion failure (inexplicably

denied by many endocrinologists) means the thyroxine builds up,

unconverted. So it doesn’t work, and T4 toxicosis results. This

makes the patient feel quite unwell, toxic, often with palpitations and chest

pain. If provision of adrenal support doesn’t remedy the situation, the

final solution is the use of the active thyroid hormone, already converted, T3

- either synthetic or natural. You can check for such a possibility by going to

the FILES SECTION of our forum http://health.grouops//thyroid treatment/files/

and scroll down to the folder entitled 'Medical Questionnaires' and complete

the Adrenal one. Let us know how you score. You can also get the 24 hour

salivary adrenal profile from Genova Diagnostics. See the File entitled

'Discounts on Tests and Supplements'. When ordering, write that Thyroid Patient

Advocacy is your medical practitioner. They will send out a kit to you and the

results will be sent direct to you. When you receive these, post the results on

the forum with the reference ranges and we will help with their interpretation.

2.

Then, we have systemic candidiasis. This is where candida albicans, yeast,

which causes skin infections almost anywhere in the body, invades the lining of

the lower part of the small intestine and the large intestine. Here, the

candida sets up residence in the warmth and the dark, and demands to be

fed. Loving sugars and starches, candida can make you suffer terrible

sweet cravings. Candida can produce toxins which can cause very many

symptoms of exhaustion, headache, general illness, and which interfere with the

uptake of thyroid and adrenal treatment. Sometimes the levels - which we

usually test for - can be very high, and make successful treatment difficult to

achieve until adequately treated. As above, do the 'Candida Questionnaire' and

let us know how you score, and again, you can be tested by Genova Diagnostics

to give you diagnosis.

3.

Then there is receptor resistance which could be a culprit. Being

hypothyroid for some considerable time may mean the biochemical mechanisms

which permit the binding of T3 to the receptors, is downgraded - so the T3

won’t go in. With slow build up of T3, with full adrenal support

and adequate vitamins and minerals, the receptors do come on line again.

But this can be quite a slow process, and care has to be taken to build the

dose up gradually.

4.

And then there are Food allergies. The most common food allergy is allergy to

gluten, the protein fraction of wheat. The antibody generated by the body, by a

process of molecular mimicry, cross reacts with the thyroperoxidase enzyme,

(which makes thyroxine) and shuts it down. So allergy to bread can make

you hypothyroid. There may be other food allergies with this kind of effect,

but information on these is scanty. Certainly allergic response to

certain foods can affect adrenal function and imperil thyroid production and

uptake.

5.

Then we have hormone imbalances. The whole of the endocrine system is linked;

each part of it needs the other parts to be operating normally to work

properly. An example of this we have seen already, with cortisone.

But another example is the operation of sex hormones. The imbalance that

occurs at the menopause with progesterone running down, and a relative

dominance of oestrogen is a further case in point – oestrogen dominance

downgrades production, transportation and uptake of thyroid hormones.

This is why hypothyroidism may first appear at the menopause; the symptoms

ascribed to this alone, which is then treated – often with extra

oestrogen, making the whole thing worse. Deficiency in progesterone most

especially needs to be dealt with, since it reverses oestrogen dominance,

improves many menopausal symptoms like sweats and mood swings, and reverses

osteoporosis. Happily natural progesterone cream is easily obtained: when

used it has the added benefit of helping to stabilise adrenal function.

6.

Then, there is the possibility of mercury poisoning, caused through amalgam

fillings - these might need to be removed but you need to seek a Dentist who

specialises in the removal of amalgam fillings.

7.

One of the main reasons why thyroid hormone is not being utilised at the

cellular level is because you might be suffering with low levels of iron,

transferring saturation%, ferritin, vitamin B12, vitamin D3, magnesium, folate,

copper and zinc - these have to be tested for, and treated.

When

you have been quite unwell for a long time, all these problems have to be dealt

with, and since each may affect the other, it all has to be done very

carefully.

Ask

your doctor to work with you to help you find the cause. The balancing of these

variables is as much up to you as to your doctor – which is why a check

of morning, day and evening temperatures and pulse rates, together with

symptoms, good and bad, can be so helpful. To this end, check out Dr Rind's

Metabolic Metabolic Temperature Graph http://www.drrind.com/therapies/metabolic-temperature-graph

If

your doctor tries to tell you that low levels of the above mentioned nutrients

have nothing to do with your low thyroid state, copy out the following of just

a few references to the research/studies that have been done to show that there

is a very big connection. Doctors are not taught about this at medical school,

so we have to help them where we can - so they, in turn, can help their other

patients.

Low

iron/ferritin: Iron deficiency is shown to significantly reduce T4 to T3

conversion, increase reverse T3 levels, and block the thermogenic (metabolism

boosting) properties of thyroid hormone (1-4). Thus, iron deficiency, as

indicated by an iron saturation below 25 or a ferritin below 70, will result in

diminished intracellular T3 levels. Additionally, T4 should not be considered

adequate thyroid replacement if iron deficiency is present (1-4)). 1.

Dillman E, Gale C, Green W, et al. Hypothermia in iron deficiency due to

altered triiodithyroidine metabolism. Regulatory, Integrative and Comparative

Physiology 1980;239(5):377-R381.

2.

SM, PE, Lukaski HC. In vitro hepatic thyroid hormone deiodination

in iron-deficient rats: effect of dietary fat. Life Sci 1993;53(8):603-9.

3.

Zimmermann MB, Köhrle J. The Impact of Iron and Selenium Deficiencies on Iodine

and Thyroid Metabolism: Biochemistry and Relevance to Public Health. Thyroid

2002;12(10): 867-78.

4.

Beard J, tobin B, Green W. Evidence for Thyroid Hormone Deficiency in

Iron-Deficient Anemic Rats. J. Nutr. 1989;119:772-778.

Low

vitamin B12: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18655403

Low

vitamin D3: http://www.eje-online.org/cgi/content/abstract/113/3/329

and http://www.goodhormonehealth.com/VitaminD.pdf

Low

magnesium: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC292768/pdf/jcinvest00264-0105.pdf

Low

folate: http://www.clinchem.org/cgi/content/full/47/9/1738

and http://www.liebertonline.com/doi/abs/10.1089/thy.1999.9.1163

Low

copper http://www.ithyroid.com/copper.htm

http://www.drlwilson.com/articles/copper_toxicity_syndrome.htm

http://www.ithyroid.com/copper.htm

http://www.rjpbcs.com/pdf/2011_2(2)/68.pdf

http://ajplegacy.physiology.org/content/171/3/652.extract

Low

zinc:http://www.istanbul.edu.tr/ffdbiyo/current4/07%20Iham%20AM%C4%B0R.pdf

and http://articles.webraydian.com/article1648-Role_of_Zinc_and_Copper_in_Effective_Thyroid_Function.html

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NOTE: When your blood tests come back, ask your doctor for a copy and remember

to always get the reference range and post them on the forum. This is because

doctors will often tell you that there is not a problem because blood tests have

come back within the reference range. You need to know where about in the

reference range they are. We will again, help with their interpretation.

And,

above all, nothing is going to happen overnight. It has taken you a long time

to get to the stage you are at right now, and it might be a few weeks before

you start to get the first inkling that something is starting to work, so

please, please Ann, be patient. e.g. when patients start taking levothyroxine,

it takes up to 6 weeks for it to be fully utilised in the body. It is

impossible for anything to happen overnight. Perhaps you had made up your mind

that once you saw the great Dr Peatfield, everything would start to get better

straight away, and what you are experiencing now is downright disappointment.

You

WILL get there Ann, and there IS light at the end of the tunnel, and we will do

everything possible to help you get there.

Just

keep asking questions, and reading the information that is in our FILES SECTION

thyroid treatment/files/

Luv

- Sheila

Ive been hypothyroid for about 8 months,not

very long compared with what I have been reading from others, so I am

comparatively new to this.I have all the classic symptoms . I also have

extremely severe mood swings ( I saw Dr.Petefield in Feb and forgot to tell him

this) I can go for approx. 5/7 days feeling alsmost suicidal, and then is lifts

for a few days.When its bad I can barely leave my bedroom, I cant be with my

small grandchildren, who I love dearly. I cry most of the time, Ive no interest

in anything at all. On " good " days I can just about go out, but if I

meet anyone I know I burst into tears.Has anyone else experienced this? I am

considering taking some antidepressants. I am on Dr.Ps 6 weeks plan at the

moment,I am not taking any thyroid meds, but will be in about another 10 days.

Ann x

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[Guest guest]

Hello Ann

What are you taking at the moment?

Has this problem got worse recently when you started the treatment plan or has

it always been like this?

Chris

>

> Ive been hypothyroid for about 8 months,not very long compared with what I

have been reading from others, so I am comparatively new to this.I have all the

classic symptoms . I also have extremely severe mood swings ( I saw Dr.Petefield

in

[Guest guest]

Hi Ann,

I used to get mood swings - as in mainly feeling tearful all the time and

occasional bouts of feeling incredibly irritable and angry - but I think this

was due mainly to the efforts of draggin myself through every day and lack of

help medically. A GP kept saying I was menapausal - which in fact was reported

by a gynae endo as not the issue. It makes you feel isolated and like you are

losing control of your life.

But - following DR P protocol and forcing myself to be incredibly patient I got

there - I self treat on T3 only now and I wake up most mornings feeling OK - not

that heavy dragging dread of another day ahead and unfounded anxiety. I still

pace myself though.

Anti-depressants are not the answer really - they will only mask problems and

also if you have thyroid problems they can interfere with that as well.

I take H & B Vit B-100 which has all the essential b vits and folic acid etc

alongside Selenium - 200mcg and D3, Calcium and Magnesium and Omega 3 oil and

some iron.

Be gentle with yourself and give it time and above all use this forum to get all

the support you need - you are not alone Ann.

Take care

Stacey

[Guest guest]

Hi AnnI agree with . You are suffering typical hypothyroid symptoms and I was prescribed two different antidepressants, when I was actually hypothyroid and NOT depressed, which I have been on for the last 25 years and cannot get off. If in ANY doubt, PLEASE PLEASE watch this... http://www.trueactivist.com/making-a-killing-the-untold-story-of-psychotropic-drugging/LoveJacquie > > well..... DON'T (take antidepressants, that is)>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jacquie,thanks very much for your reply i was just an appointment away from

going to docs for antidepressants,love Ann

>

> Hi Ann

> I agree with . You are suffering typical hypothyroid symptoms

> and I was prescribed two different antidepressants, when I was actually

> hypothyroid and NOT depressed, which I have been on for the last 25

> years and cannot get off. If in ANY doubt, PLEASE PLEASE watch this...

> http://www.trueactivist.com/making-a-killing-the-untold-story-of-psychot\

> ropic-drugging/

> <http://www.trueactivist.com/making-a-killing-the-untold-story-of-psycho\

> tropic-drugging/>

> LoveJacquie

> <http://www.trueactivist.com/making-a-killing-the-untold-story-of-psycho\

> tropic-drugging/> >

> > well..... DON'T (take antidepressants, that is)

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,thanks very much for your lovely response,love Ann

> well..... DON'T (take antidepressants, that is)

>

> Have faith in Dr. Peatfield and follow his protocol. Everything you are

> experiencing now is perfectly to be expected within the realms of

> untreated thyroid disease. Once he's got you onto thyroid medication,

> things will change.

>

> It took you years to get to the hopeless stage you are in now. It will

> take you a few month to get out of it. Just hang in there. Things will

> get better ! It just takes time.

>

> with best wishes,

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Moderated to remove most of previous message already read,. Please delete these

and leave just a little of what you are responding to. Many thanks. Luv - Sheila

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Dear Sheila,many,many, thanks i am going to get my bloods done and will post

them,Love Ann

>

> Hello Ann

>

> Have you been able to ask your GP to test your levels of iron, transferrin

> saturation%, ferritin, vitamin B12, vitamin D3, magnesium, folate, copper

> and zinc. If not, please get these tests done as a matter of urgency and

> when the results have come back, let us know what they are together with the

> reference range for each of the tests done and we can help with their

> interpretation.