RE: Adrenal slump after meds?

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How are you feeling now and have you taken any more Nutri

Adrenal? I very much doubt it would be the NA that was to blame. However, have

you taken any this morning and if so, did the same feeling come over you?

Luv - Sheila

Had a blood test today and decided to take my

adrenal meds (Nutri adrenal) etc.. after which was late morning. About 1 hr

after taking them I came over really tired which is still hanging over me now.

Any suggestions???…….

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Sheila,

Thanks for your concern. Not sure how I feel today. Taken the same dose of 3 NAX

and still feeling tired etc.. brain fog has got worse I just dont seem to be

able to concentrate on anything. I am expecting word back from Dr P as he has

assessed my Adrenal Stress results, but I think he will say they i am adequetly

supported.

Dont know what to try next. I'm considering going to see Dr Skinner but

understand he doesnt treat adrenals. He may help me with my thyroid meds though

as the T3 on its own doesnt seem to be working. At times i feel like totally

giving up and going back on levo, just feel like i am treading water at the

moment.

Janella

>

> How are you feeling now and have you taken any more Nutri Adrenal? I very

> much doubt it would be the NA that was to blame. However, have you taken any

> this morning and if so, did the same feeling come over you?

>

> Luv - Sheila

>

> Had a blood test today and decided to take my adrenal meds (Nutri adrenal)

> etc.. after which was late morning. About 1 hr after taking them I came over

> really tired which is still hanging over me now.

> Any suggestions???...

>

>

>

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Janella

- have you checked for any of the following to see if you might be suffering

from any one of these. All these go hand in hand with hypothyroidism and need

to be checked by way of a process of elimination.

The

main condition responsible for stopping thyroid hormone from working is, quite

simply, a patient’s thyroid hormone dose is too low because the doctor or

consultant refuses to increase it, because the serum thyroid function test

results appear OK. Sometimes, the thyroxine dose is too high, yet patients

still don't feel well. They continue to suffer. Some reasons for this:

1.

You may be suffering with low adrenal reserve. The production of T4, its

conversion to T3, and the receptor uptake requires a normal amount of adrenal

hormones, notably, of course, cortisone. (Excess cortisone can shut production

down, however.) This is what happens if the adrenals are not responding

properly, and provision of cortisone usually switches it on again. But

sometimes it doesn’t. If the illness has been going on for a long

time, the enzyme seems to fail. This conversion failure (inexplicably

denied by many endocrinologists) means the thyroxine builds up,

unconverted. So it doesn’t work, and T4 toxicosis results. This

makes the patient feel quite unwell, toxic, often with palpitations and chest

pain. If provision of adrenal support doesn’t remedy the situation, the

final solution is the use of the active thyroid hormone, already converted, T3

- either synthetic or natural. You can check for such a possibility by going to

the FILES SECTION of our forum http://health.groups//thyroid treatment/files/

and scroll down to the folder entitled 'Medical Questionnaires' and complete

the Adrenal one. Let us know how you score. You can also get the 24 hour

salivary adrenal profile from Genova Diagnostics. See the File entitled

'Discounts on Tests and Supplements'. When ordering, write that Thyroid Patient

Advocacy is your medical practitioner. They will send out a kit to you and the

results will be sent direct to you. When you receive these, post the results on

the forum with the reference ranges and we will help with their interpretation.

2.

Then, we have systemic candidiasis. This is where candida albicans, yeast,

which causes skin infections almost anywhere in the body, invades the lining of

the lower part of the small intestine and the large intestine. Here, the

candida sets up residence in the warmth and the dark, and demands to be

fed. Loving sugars and starches, candida can make you suffer terrible

sweet cravings. Candida can produce toxins which can cause very many

symptoms of exhaustion, headache, general illness, and which interfere with the

uptake of thyroid and adrenal treatment. Sometimes the levels - which we

usually test for - can be very high, and make successful treatment difficult to

achieve until adequately treated. As above, do the 'Candida Questionnaire' and

let us know how you score, and again, you can be tested by Genova Diagnostics

to give you diagnosis.

3.

Then there is receptor resistance which could be a culprit. Being

hypothyroid for some considerable time may mean the biochemical mechanisms

which permit the binding of T3 to the receptors, is downgraded - so the T3

won’t go in. With slow build up of T3, with full adrenal support

and adequate vitamins and minerals, the receptors do come on line again.

But this can be quite a slow process, and care has to be taken to build the

dose up gradually.

4.

And then there are Food allergies. The most common food allergy is allergy to

gluten, the protein fraction of wheat. The antibody generated by the body, by a

process of molecular mimicry, cross reacts with the thyroperoxidase enzyme,

(which makes thyroxine) and shuts it down. So allergy to bread can make

you hypothyroid. There may be other food allergies with this kind of effect,

but information on these is scanty. Certainly allergic response to

certain foods can affect adrenal function and imperil thyroid production and

uptake.

5.

Then we have hormone imbalances. The whole of the endocrine system is linked;

each part of it needs the other parts to be operating normally to work

properly. An example of this we have seen already, with cortisone.

But another example is the operation of sex hormones. The imbalance that

occurs at the menopause with progesterone running down, and a relative

dominance of oestrogen is a further case in point – oestrogen dominance

downgrades production, transportation and uptake of thyroid hormones.

This is why hypothyroidism may first appear at the menopause; the symptoms

ascribed to this alone, which is then treated – often with extra

oestrogen, making the whole thing worse. Deficiency in progesterone most

especially needs to be dealt with, since it reverses oestrogen dominance,

improves many menopausal symptoms like sweats and mood swings, and reverses

osteoporosis. Happily natural progesterone cream is easily obtained: when

used it has the added benefit of helping to stabilise adrenal function.

6.

Then, there is the possibility of mercury poisoning, caused through amalgam

fillings - these might need to be removed but you need to seek a Dentist who

specialises in the removal of amalgam fillings.

7.

One of the main reasons why thyroid hormone is not being utilised at the

cellular level is because you might be suffering with low levels of iron,

transferring saturation%, ferritin, vitamin B12, vitamin D3, magnesium, folate,

copper and zinc - these have to be tested for, and treated.

When

you have been quite unwell for a long time, all these problems have to be dealt

with, and since each may affect the other, it all has to be done very

carefully.

Ask

your doctor to work with you to help you find the cause. The balancing of these

variables is as much up to you as to your doctor – which is why a check

of morning, day and evening temperatures and pulse rates, together with

symptoms, good and bad, can be so helpful. To this end, check out Dr Rind's Metabolic

Metabolic Temperature Graph http://www.drrind.com/therapies/metabolic-temperature-graph

If

your doctor tries to tell you that low levels of the above mentioned nutrients

have nothing to do with your low thyroid state, copy out the following of just

a few references to the research/studies that have been done to show that there

is a very big connection. Doctors are not taught about this at medical school,

so we have to help them where we can - so they, in turn, can help their other

patients.

Low

iron/ferritin: Iron deficiency is shown to significantly reduce T4 to T3

conversion, increase reverse T3 levels, and block the thermogenic (metabolism

boosting) properties of thyroid hormone (1-4). Thus, iron deficiency, as

indicated by an iron saturation below 25 or a ferritin below 70, will result in

diminished intracellular T3 levels. Additionally, T4 should not be considered

adequate thyroid replacement if iron deficiency is present (1-4)).

1.

Dillman E, Gale C, Green W, et al. Hypothermia in iron deficiency due to

altered triiodithyroidine metabolism. Regulatory, Integrative and Comparative

Physiology 1980;239(5):377-R381.

2.

SM, PE, Lukaski HC. In vitro hepatic thyroid hormone deiodination

in iron-deficient rats: effect of dietary fat. Life Sci 1993;53(8):603-9.

3.

Zimmermann MB, Köhrle J. The Impact of Iron and Selenium Deficiencies on Iodine

and Thyroid Metabolism: Biochemistry and Relevance to Public Health. Thyroid

2002;12(10): 867-78.

4.

Beard J, tobin B, Green W. Evidence for Thyroid Hormone Deficiency in

Iron-Deficient Anemic Rats. J. Nutr. 1989;119:772-778.

Low

vitamin B12: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18655403

Low

vitamin D3: http://www.eje-online.org/cgi/content/abstract/113/3/329

and http://www.goodhormonehealth.com/VitaminD.pdf

Low

magnesium: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC292768/pdf/jcinvest00264-0105.pdf

Low

folate: http://www.clinchem.org/cgi/content/full/47/9/1738

and http://www.liebertonline.com/doi/abs/10.1089/thy.1999.9.1163

Low

copper http://www.ithyroid.com/copper.htm

http://www.drlwilson.com/articles/copper_toxicity_syndrome.htm

http://www.ithyroid.com/copper.htm

http://www.rjpbcs.com/pdf/2011_2(2)/68.pdf

http://ajplegacy.physiology.org/content/171/3/652.extract

Low

zinc:http://www.istanbul.edu.tr/ffdbiyo/current4/07%20Iham%20AM%C4%B0R.pdf

and http://articles.webraydian.com/article1648-Role_of_Zinc_and_Copper_in_Effective_Thyroid_Function.html

NOTE:

When your blood tests come back, ask your doctor for a copy and remember to

always get the reference range and post them on the forum. This is because

doctors will often tell you that there is not a problem because blood tests

have come back within the reference range. You need to know where about in the

reference range they are. We will again, help with their interpretation.

Sheila,

Thanks for your concern. Not sure how I feel today. Taken the same dose of 3

NAX and still feeling tired etc.. brain fog has got worse I just dont seem to

be able to concentrate on anything. I am expecting word back from Dr P as he

has assessed my Adrenal Stress results, but I think he will say they i am

adequetly supported.

Dont know what to try next. I'm considering going to see Dr Skinner but

understand he doesnt treat adrenals. He may help me with my thyroid meds though

as the T3 on its own doesnt seem to be working. At times i feel like totally

giving up and going back on levo, just feel like i am treading water at the

moment.

Janella

>

> How are you feeling now and have you taken any more Nutri Adrenal? I very

> much doubt it would be the NA that was to blame. However, have you taken

any

> this morning and if so, did the same feeling come over you?

>

> Luv - Sheila

>

> Had a blood test today and decided to take my adrenal meds (Nutri adrenal)

> etc.. after which was late morning. About 1 hr after taking them I came

over

> really tired which is still hanging over me now.

> Any suggestions???...

>

>

>

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Hi Sheila,

The last one I am awaiting results for is the hormone imbalance test (the one i

had yesterday) The rest are all ok, Ive had many tests so far and already taking

high doses of iron, B12, folate anyway.

Just hope something comes back from these tests otherwise i'm snookered!!

Janella x

>

> Janella - have you checked for any of the following to see if you might be

> suffering from any one of these. All these go hand in hand with

> hypothyroidism and need to be checked by way of a process of elimination.

>

> The main condition responsible for stopping thyroid hormone from working is,

> quite simply, a patient's thyroid hormone dose is too low because the doctor

> or consultant refuses to increase it, because the serum thyroid function

> test results appear OK. Sometimes, the thyroxine dose is too high, yet

> patients still don't feel well. They continue to suffer. Some reasons for

> this:

>

> 1. You may be suffering with low adrenal reserve. The production of T4,

> its conversion to T3, and the receptor uptake requires a normal amount of

> adrenal hormones, notably, of course, cortisone. (Excess cortisone can shut

> production down, however.) This is what happens if the adrenals are not

> responding properly, and provision of cortisone usually switches it on

> again. But sometimes it doesn't. If the illness has been going on for a

> long time, the enzyme seems to fail. This conversion failure (inexplicably

> denied by many endocrinologists) means the thyroxine builds up, unconverted.

> So it doesn't work, and T4 toxicosis results. This makes the patient feel

> quite unwell, toxic, often with palpitations and chest pain. If provision of

> adrenal support doesn't remedy the situation, the final solution is the use

> of the active thyroid hormone, already converted, T3 - either synthetic or

> natural. You can check for such a possibility by going to the FILES SECTION

> of our forum http://health.groups//thyroid treatment/files/

> and scroll down to the folder entitled 'Medical Questionnaires' and complete

> the Adrenal one. Let us know how you score. You can also get the 24 hour

> salivary adrenal profile from Genova Diagnostics. See the File entitled

> 'Discounts on Tests and Supplements'. When ordering, write that Thyroid

> Patient Advocacy is your medical practitioner. They will send out a kit to

> you and the results will be sent direct to you. When you receive these, post

> the results on the forum with the reference ranges and we will help with

> their interpretation.

>

>

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Hi Janella,

Perhaps you are taking too much of everything –

when your liver is overloaded then you will feel ‘liverish’ also

when you eat and feel sleepy etc. that is normally insulin levels going awry –

so you need to bring your insulin levels into balance.

I think you may be taking too much iron even.

When you feel like this something is obviously not

right so try to look at what you are taking – remember kidneys make you

feel awful if they are being overloaded and so does the liver as previously

mentioned.

Hope this helps

Best wishes

Mandy