Vitamin B12

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Jeanette, that is great! two days without hitting a kid! I can't help but smile at the things we are thankful for with these precious kids. Karac has gone two days without biting anyone. smile. Pat K

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Yes they're seeing lots of good things with the use of Methyl B-12 injections. You Can check out the Autism Research Institute site or Dr. Neubrander's website ( I can send you link if you need, can't find it right now) Dr. Neubrander's been at the forefront in running trials/research on the effects of this and did a great report at the April 2004 DAN Conference

In a message dated 6/11/2004 1:13:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jeanette170@... writes:

think I have read in a few posts about vitamin B12. Does it help with the Autistic Tendencies? Knock on Wood, Collin (age 6.6) these last couple of days has seemed like a typical kid. We have taken him off Concerta. He is still on Risperdal and Prozac (1/2 tsp). We have started giving him vitamins with B12 in it. Has anyone tried that and seen anything? It has been two days and Collin has not hit a kid. He is still hyper and cannot focus but these last two days has been different. I probably am speaking to soon, but I can see some difference.

Jeanette

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CB is on the "Kirkland Cocktail " and we have had wonderful results. His behavior has clamed down so much that is was able to move to the "typical "kids classroom.

Now, it doesnt cure autism, but it does cut down alot of the behaviors. Our " cocktail " is B12/magnesium/folic acid (for the hyperativity) DHG and Omega 3 oils( he hates that one LOL ! ) Hope this helps !

CB's Granny

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YAY !!!!!!! Karac Rocks ! Im in such a good mood now !

CB's Granny

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www.DrNeubrander.com

look in the download section

In a message dated 6/11/2004 1:24:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jlois@... writes:

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Could you send me that link? Thank you, Lois

Re: Vitamin B12

Yes they're seeing lots of good things with the use of Methyl B-12 injections. You Can check out the Autism Research Institute site or Dr. Neubrander's website ( I can send you link if you need, can't find it right now) Dr. Neubrander's been at the forefront in running trials/research on the effects of this and did a great report at the April 2004 DAN Conference

In a message dated 6/11/2004 1:13:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jeanette170@... writes:

think I have read in a few posts about vitamin B12. Does it help with the Autistic Tendencies? Knock on Wood, Collin (age 6.6) these last couple of days has seemed like a typical kid. We have taken him off Concerta. He is still on Risperdal and Prozac (1/2 tsp). We have started giving him vitamins with B12 in it. Has anyone tried that and seen anything? It has been two days and Collin has not hit a kid. He is still hyper and cannot focus but these last two days has been different. I probably am speaking to soon, but I can see some difference.

Jeanette

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,

Could you send me that link? Thank you, Lois

Re: Vitamin B12

Yes they're seeing lots of good things with the use of Methyl B-12 injections. You Can check out the Autism Research Institute site or Dr. Neubrander's website ( I can send you link if you need, can't find it right now) Dr. Neubrander's been at the forefront in running trials/research on the effects of this and did a great report at the April 2004 DAN Conference

In a message dated 6/11/2004 1:13:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jeanette170@... writes:

think I have read in a few posts about vitamin B12. Does it help with the Autistic Tendencies? Knock on Wood, Collin (age 6.6) these last couple of days has seemed like a typical kid. We have taken him off Concerta. He is still on Risperdal and Prozac (1/2 tsp). We have started giving him vitamins with B12 in it. Has anyone tried that and seen anything? It has been two days and Collin has not hit a kid. He is still hyper and cannot focus but these last two days has been different. I probably am speaking to soon, but I can see some difference.

Jeanette

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Check out the following: Rhode B, Arseneau P, B. Vitamin B12 deficiency after gastric surgery for obesity. Am J Clin Nutr, 1996: 63: 103-109. Hope this helps. <lauramorr@...> wrote: Can anyone recommend a good article on the importance of supplementing with Vitamin B12 for gastric bypass patients. The bariatric clinic that I am currently at does not suggest supplementing with Vitamin B12 and I want to show documentation of how important it is. Thanks for your help

Maureen Prinster, RD, LD

Magellan Health Services

Dietitian for Condition Care Management-

Weight Management Program

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How unfortunate for those surgeons' patients! See:

http://tinyurl.com/bthv5

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The bariatric clinic that I am

> currently at does not suggest supplementing with Vitamin B12 and I

want to

> show documentation of how important it is.

> Thanks for your help

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your input and for the article. I had been working at a different bariatric clinic and they had their patients take vit B12 sublingual and B-complex. I know the other dietitians are on board as far as these recommendations go, but I need to present some information to the surgeons. If you have any other information that would be helpful let me know. Thank you.

On 12/20/05, marchjo <marchjo@...> wrote:

How unfortunate for those surgeons' patients! See:

http://tinyurl.com/bthv5--- In

, <lauramorr@g...> wrote:<snip>The bariatric clinic that I am> currently at does not suggest supplementing with Vitamin B12 and I want to> show documentation of how important it is.

> Thanks for your help> >

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See also the following, provided by a WLS patient who is suffering

permanent disability due to B12 deficiency:

http://brain.hastypastry.net/forums/showthread.php?

t=57840 & page=1 & pp=10

http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/vitaminb6.asp

http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/vitaminb12.asp

http://www.neuropathymd.org/topical/20/Nutritional%20Neuropathies%

2epdf

http://www.mayoclinic.org/news2004-rst/2469.html

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_27435.html

Hypoglycemia (which I have with a blood sugar of 43)

http://www.mayoclinicproceedings.com/inside.asp?AID=818 & UID

http://www.immunesupport.com/library/showarticle.cfm/id/60/searchtext

/fibromyalgia%20and%20b12/

http://www.gastricbypassproblems.org/Nutrionalissuesafterbariatricsur

gery.html Complications which I HAVE which have made me permanently

disabled.

http://www.humed.com/humc_ency/alt_med/ConsSupplements/VitaminB12Coba

lamincs.html

http://labtestsonline.org/understanding/conditions/vitaminb12-4.html

http://www.danaise.com/bariatric.htm This has a list of

complications which I have actually had long term

http://www.health-boundaries-bite.com/new_folder/Fingernails.html

http://www.medpagetoday.com/Gastroenterology/PancreaticDiseases/tb1/1

399

http://familydoctor.org/765.xml

http://www.aafp.org/afp/20030301/979.html

http://www.mts.net/~baumel/B12.html

http://www.emedicine.com/neuro/topic439.htm

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag98/aug98-report1.html

http://www.raysahelian.com/methylcobalamin.html

http://www.algonet.se/~leif/fub12kau.html

http://www.health-boundaries-bite.com/new_folder/550-B12-Level.html

http://www.neurology.org/cgi/content/abstract/63/8/1462?

ijkey=8b0f63d0ac8dbc09315675d3df095964fb5f4386 & keytype2=tf_ipsecsha

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3744144.stm

http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/calcium.asp

http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/folate.asp

http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/vitamind.asp

http://www.health-boundaries-bite.com/VitaminB12-and-Brain-

Damage.html

http://docnews.diabetesjournals.org/cgi/content/full/2/1/9

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstract & list_uids=1541791 & query_hl=2

http://www.micronutrient.org/idpas/pdf/846Human.pdf

http://www.health-boundaries-bite.com/Hypochlorhydria.html

http://www.medpagetoday.com/PrimaryCare/DietNutrition/tb/1795

http://www.tjclarkminerals.com/vitamins/vitamin_b6.htm

http://healthlink.mcw.edu/article/985640580.html

http://www.nutrasanus.com/vitamin-b12.html

http://www.intelihealth.com/IH/ihtIH/WSIHW000/14294/24016/232756.html

?d=dmtHealthAZ

http://www.labtestsonline.org/understanding/analytes/mma/glance.html

http://www.sages.org/01program/syllabi/pg2/pg2.html#pgfId-1004336

Diagram of lap RNY

http://www.health-boundaries-bite.com/Vitamin-B12-History.html

http://healthlink.mcw.edu/article/930606151.html Explains Dumping

Syndrome

http://www.merck.com/mrkshared/mmanual/section1/chapter3/3o.jsp

Information on Biotin and other vitamins

http://www.health-boundaries-bite.com/Hypochlorhydria.html

http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/vitamine.asp

http://www.azhealth.info/article_hydration.php Importance of WATER

http://www.bodyrx.com/about_connelly.htm

http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/iron.asp

http://www.bariatric-surgery.info/dumping-syndrome.htm More info on

dumping syndrome

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> > The bariatric clinic that I am

> > > currently at does not suggest supplementing with Vitamin B12

and I

> > want to

> > > show documentation of how important it is.

> > > Thanks for your help

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I take a B-12 supplement twice a week. The B-12 in

sea vegetables and fermented foods is often analog and

cannot be absorbed, so I think that it is safest to

take a supplement. Before the days of

over-sterilization, I'm sure all of our veggies were

covered in B-12 and nobody had to worry about it, but

we live in different times now and it is necessary to

live in the real world as opposed to the ideal one

(while still trying to make it ideal, of course).

--- loumoa <louisekolff@...> wrote:

> Hi fellow MBs,

>

> After reading this article

> (http://www.macrobiotics.co.uk/b12dilemma.htm) and

> several others

> about the need for vegans to take vitamin B

> supplements, and the

> dangers of not doing it, I went out and bought

> some... I know

> Macrobiotics does not recommend supplements, but as

> it has apparently

> been proven that the vitamin B thought to be in

> seaweed and fermented

> food etc can't actually be absorbed by the human

> body, maybe we still

> need to? Any thoughts?

>

> Thanks,

> Louise

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I take a B-12 supplement twice a week. The B-12 in

sea vegetables and fermented foods is often analog and

cannot be absorbed, so I think that it is safest to

take a supplement. Before the days of

over-sterilization, I'm sure all of our veggies were

covered in B-12 and nobody had to worry about it, but

we live in different times now and it is necessary to

live in the real world as opposed to the ideal one

(while still trying to make it ideal, of course).

--- loumoa <louisekolff@...> wrote:

> Hi fellow MBs,

>

> After reading this article

> (http://www.macrobiotics.co.uk/b12dilemma.htm) and

> several others

> about the need for vegans to take vitamin B

> supplements, and the

> dangers of not doing it, I went out and bought

> some... I know

> Macrobiotics does not recommend supplements, but as

> it has apparently

> been proven that the vitamin B thought to be in

> seaweed and fermented

> food etc can't actually be absorbed by the human

> body, maybe we still

> need to? Any thoughts?

>

> Thanks,

> Louise

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I am a very old member of our wonderful Stills family, I have been in total

remission for almost five years, I keep up with the group but very rarely

answer anyone. I think it is more for everyone who is hurting so much and don't

want to waste anyone's time. But, I have what is called pernicious anemia, it

is when your body can no longer absorb B-12. You have to take monthly

injections of B-12 for the rest of your life. I developed it right before I

became

so ill with Still's (I was very, very sick for 14 years).

I just wanted to let you know that the B-12 is very important to your body

and it is very strange that it would give you a reaction. Maybe it is the

brand, most have fillers.

B-12 can cause tingling of the tongue, feet and hands, it can affect your

coordination, after several years of not having B-12 in your body you become

schizophrenic and eventually die if it is not taken care of.

Make sure you have your doctor keep regular checks on your B-12, when they

do your blood work they can check the levels of your B-12 for just a few

dollars, insurance usually covers it.

I felt exhausted and my tongue tingled like crazy, I was almost deplete of

B-12, when they finally figured it out.

Let your doctor know that you feel you had a reaction to the brand of B-12

that you took, and ask for a suggestion.

Hope I helped a little, just stay on top of it!

Dottie(Hawaii)

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Tyler Florence " on AOL Food.

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I am a very old member of our wonderful Stills family, I have been in total

remission for almost five years, I keep up with the group but very rarely

answer anyone. I think it is more for everyone who is hurting so much and don't

want to waste anyone's time. But, I have what is called pernicious anemia, it

is when your body can no longer absorb B-12. You have to take monthly

injections of B-12 for the rest of your life. I developed it right before I

became

so ill with Still's (I was very, very sick for 14 years).

I just wanted to let you know that the B-12 is very important to your body

and it is very strange that it would give you a reaction. Maybe it is the

brand, most have fillers.

B-12 can cause tingling of the tongue, feet and hands, it can affect your

coordination, after several years of not having B-12 in your body you become

schizophrenic and eventually die if it is not taken care of.

Make sure you have your doctor keep regular checks on your B-12, when they

do your blood work they can check the levels of your B-12 for just a few

dollars, insurance usually covers it.

I felt exhausted and my tongue tingled like crazy, I was almost deplete of

B-12, when they finally figured it out.

Let your doctor know that you feel you had a reaction to the brand of B-12

that you took, and ask for a suggestion.

Hope I helped a little, just stay on top of it!

Dottie(Hawaii)

**************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch " Cooking with

Tyler Florence " on AOL Food.

(http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4 & ?NCID=aolfod00030000000002)

[Guest guest]

Thank you Dottie. I will talk to the Dr about my reactions. I could tolerate

feeling that way for a few days if I did a monthly shot...but every day just

isn't going to cut it. I'll let you know what happens!

Thanks,

in TX

Re: vitamin B12

Hi ,

I am a very old member of our wonderful Stills family, I have been in total

remission for almost five years, I keep up with the group but very rarely

answer anyone. I think it is more for everyone who is hurting so much and

don't

want to waste anyone's time. But, I have what is called pernicious anemia, it

is when your body can no longer absorb B-12. You have to take monthly

injections of B-12 for the rest of your life. I developed it right before I

became

so ill with Still's (I was very, very sick for 14 years).

I just wanted to let you know that the B-12 is very important to your body

and it is very strange that it would give you a reaction. Maybe it is the

brand, most have fillers.

B-12 can cause tingling of the tongue, feet and hands, it can affect your

coordination, after several years of not having B-12 in your body you become

schizophrenic and eventually die if it is not taken care of.

Make sure you have your doctor keep regular checks on your B-12, when they

do your blood work they can check the levels of your B-12 for just a few

dollars, insurance usually covers it.

I felt exhausted and my tongue tingled like crazy, I was almost deplete of

B-12, when they finally figured it out.

Let your doctor know that you feel you had a reaction to the brand of B-12

that you took, and ask for a suggestion.

Hope I helped a little, just stay on top of it!

Dottie(Hawaii)

**************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch " Cooking with

Tyler Florence " on AOL Food.

(http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4 & ?NCID=aolfod00030000000002)

[Guest guest]

Dear All

Did anybody came across Vit B12 overdose or toxicity.I will be very gratefull if

anybody will let me know dose of sub-lingual Vit B12 is used currently after

RYGB and which iron tablets commonly used in USA.

Many thanks

Nona

>

> Does anyone have vitamin deficiency protocols they would be willing to share

for vitamin D, vitamin B12, and iron.

>

>

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I think someone is beginning to admit failure....

.... in that vitamin B12 testing has been shown to be highly suspect in older

people ......Antibodies to Intrinsic Factor make your vit B12 look too high,

thereby masking a deficit !!!!!!!!!!!

ie if your vit B12 HAS BEEN HITTING THE BUFFERS ON THE LOW END OF THE

RANGE....that indicates you may, in fact, be well below requirement for Vit B12

....oops

Big bucks failure....again

Bob