Guest guest Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 Hi all, I'm a new member as well! I am also interested in this, so if anyone replies, could you also include me in the email? (nicklz@...). I am a mom of 3 little ones (5, 3, 1) and work out of the home full time, but I am so sick of corporate life. I would LOVE to learn how to make some products out of the home (not necessarily to make money, but as a hobby to start). Thanks in advance! Regards, Nichole -------------- Original message -------------- From: " Danette " <cdccrobb93@...> Hello. My name is Danette. I am married to my wonderful hard working husband almost 15 yrs in May. We have to beautiful daughters ages 12 and 8. I am a stay at home mom and homeschooling mom from Meridian,Ms. I am looking for extra activities for myself and for my children to help me make to help supplement our income. My children are wanting to go to Disney World this summer and I thought maybe bath salts would be an easy activity for them to make and sell and have fun making them since they love getting their hands in mixing things. I usually let them mix cookie dough with their clean hands when we make cookies and they love it. However, I really need to get some good bath salt recipes that are easy to make for a 12 and 8 year old. Thanks in advance. Danette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 Hey Danette, Welcome and here i s great recipe for salts to make with your children. Bath Salts 4 cups Epsom salts 2 cups Sea salt 1 cup baking soda 2 cups oatmeal ground to a very fine powder in a food processor or coffee grinder 2 oz. of your choice essential oil or scented oil. Mix together all the dry ingredients in a large bowl. Add the essential oil a little at a time. Make sure you thoroughly mixing it through. You want the essential oil to be distributed as evenly as possible. Pour salts into the container of your choice. I use tubes from Wholesale Supplies plus.com. They have great prices. I don't use dye in my products but you can do what you like. Hope that helped you Enjoy, ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2008 Report Share Posted March 6, 2008 In a message dated 3/6/2008 1:07:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jimokelly@... writes: My daughter suffered disease, disability and death caused by the allopathic profession. Jim, I'm so sorry to hear that happened to you. I don't know if this will comfort you, but it sincerely is stories like yours and people like you that have saved my daughter from receiving any vaccines (or any allopathic care at all). I thank God I learned the truth before she was born. Sorry for your loss, and thank you for all you have done. Holly **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2008 Report Share Posted March 6, 2008 > > > In a message dated 3/6/2008 1:07:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > jimokelly@... writes: > > My daughter suffered disease, disability and death caused by the allopathic > profession. > > > > Jim, > > I'm so sorry to hear that happened to you. I don't know if this will > comfort you, but it sincerely is stories like yours and people like you that have > saved my daughter from receiving any vaccines (or any allopathic care at all). > I thank God I learned the truth before she was born. Sorry for your loss, > and thank you for all you have done. > > Holly Thank you for your comment. Over the years I have turned many people away from the allopath. If I didn't get into this battle than she would have suffered and died under their care for nothing. Please continue to educate those around you of the evils of allopathic drug poisoning diguised as conventional health care.Thanks again for your thought and contributions. Jim > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2008 Report Share Posted March 6, 2008 Hi Jim -- Welcome to the group and I'm so sorry about what happened to your DD. I'm . I live in NY with DH and we have two partially vaxed kids - DS in college, and DD in Middle school. DS had a severe allergic reaction to DPT, which caused even our Ped to say " we won't be doing that again! " Then in 9th grade, DS got whooping cough - not that I realized it immediately as he was able to practice and play HS lacrosse despite the cough. Probably took us about a month before I thought he might need to see the Ped. Another live and learn. Thankfully the Ped knows me well enough to know I'm not big on meds, so we did the nutrition route - it took a while but it worked. Plus, he was probably the only kid in town who got whooping cough (Ped said it was going around) who wasn't fully vaxed -- another eye opener. Naive me thought vaxs gave lifetime immunity. Health & blessings, *We believe cleaning house shouldn't involve dirtying the Earth!* http://www.shaklee.net/EcoClean/getclean Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Jim O <jimokelly@...> wrote: > Hi everyone > > I joined the group about a week ago. I live in Valparaiso IN. My daughter > suffered disease, disability and death caused by the allopathic profession. > > I have been educating people for about 30 years on vaccines and allopathic > drug poisioning. > > My organization is called S.I.N.B.A.D. Shots in bodies are dangerous. > > I am also the spokesperson for VacLib out of Idaho for my state.( > vaclib.org) > > We are having a meeting on June 6th in Hobart IN. > > Anyone living in the N.W. Ind or Chicago area who would like to attend may > call me at 219-462-1976 > > To Sheri and all the group, keep up the good work. > > This vaccination insanity must stop ASAP. > > We must be like rocks. We may wear away but we are not going away. > > To quote Dr. Herbert Shelton " Let Us Have The Truth Though The Heavens > Fall. " > > Have a Jim Dandy day, Jim > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2008 Report Share Posted March 6, 2008 Re: new member Take care Jim Hi Jim -- Welcome to the group and I'm so sorry about what happened to your DD. I'm . I live in NY with DH and we have two partially vaxed kids - DS in college, and DD in Middle school. DS had a severe allergic reaction to DPT, which caused even our Ped to say " we won't be doing that again! " Then in 9th grade, DS got whooping cough - not that I realized it immediately as he was able to practice and play HS lacrosse despite the cough. Probably took us about a month before I thought he might need to see the Ped. Another live and learn. Thankfully the Ped knows me well enough to know I'm not big on meds, so we did the nutrition route - it took a while but it worked. Plus, he was probably the only kid in town who got whooping cough (Ped said it was going around) who wasn't fully vaxed -- another eye opener. Naive me thought vaxs gave lifetime immunity. Health & blessings, *We believe cleaning house shouldn't involve dirtying the Earth!* http://www.shaklee. net/EcoClean/ getclean Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Jim O <jimokelly (DOT) com> wrote: > Hi everyone > > I joined the group about a week ago. I live in Valparaiso IN. My daughter > suffered disease, disability and death caused by the allopathic profession. > > I have been educating people for about 30 years on vaccines and allopathic > drug poisioning. > > My organization is called S.I.N.B.A.D. Shots in bodies are dangerous. > > I am also the spokesperson for VacLib out of Idaho for my state.( > vaclib.org) > > We are having a meeting on June 6th in Hobart IN. > > Anyone living in the N.W. Ind or Chicago area who would like to attend may > call me at 219-462-1976 > > To Sheri and all the group, keep up the good work. > > This vaccination insanity must stop ASAP. > > We must be like rocks. We may wear away but we are not going away. > > To quote Dr. Herbert Shelton " Let Us Have The Truth Though The Heavens > Fall. " > > Have a Jim Dandy day, Jim > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 Hi Jim -- I'm trying -- like I said, I've had a few eye openers. I didn't have polio or whooping cough as a kid - I think I was vaxed for both - but I've had most of the other things they vax for these days, and I survived. Enjoy the group, Sheri has great info on here. Health & blessings, *We believe cleaning house shouldn't involve dirtying the Earth! *http://www.shaklee.net/EcoClean/getclean Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. Hi Nice to hear from you. Sounds like your on the right tract with your children. Whooping cough, my brother had several years before I was born. I had it when I was 8 or 9. On both occasions my mother put us in bed untill we coughed ourselves well. Never saw a Dr. Take care Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 Welcome - I alos just joined a few days ago. There is alot of information out there and it can be overwhelming, scary and depressing but I know how important it is to educate ourselves. I have 2 kids agea 3 1/2 and 18 months. They both are up to date on their shots but my 18 months old is missing 2 from his 15 month set along with the MMR. I think I will also refuse the MMR but I am not sure. I have considered doing a slower schedule for him and using some homeopathic drops my ND gave me as some extra precautions. My cirumstances are a little different as my hubby is overseas and we HAVE to get the vaccines for us to be able to join him. I share in you fear of the vaccines yet I also am not sure i totally oppose them. I however, so not doubt they can cause seriously and life threatening problems. My heart goes out to everyone affected by these. I jsut do not like my other option of not vaccinating against some pretty nasty diseases. I am trying to find some sort of happy medium to take precautions to try to reduce the risk of ill effects to my children. However, I am not sure if ther eis a happy medium.....I am still on the hunt!!!! Stay close and we can all get through this together. Much Love, Beth New Member Hello, I am a first time mom to a 14 month old baby girl and am jut beginning my journey of all the research on vaccines I could find. I am not truly against vaccines nor am I totally for them, I just wish more pediatricians out there were a little more sensitive to a parents choice to vaccinate or not. My daughter is up to date on her shots except for the good ol MMR. I REFUSE to get her that one. I have one regret and that is, I wished I had waited until after her 1st birthday to begin immunizations. I feel as though I overloaded her tiny little body with so many toxins,that I could never forgive myself for this. Thank the Lord, at this point she is fine. My biggest fear is that later on something happens to her. What, I don't know, but I do know how smart she is now and fast she learned to do so many things at such early an early age. I have yet to become more well-informed, and just from the looks of it, this group will do exactly that! Thank you and God bless! ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 Hi, Beth. There is a lot of information out there and it can be overwhelming. The best advice I can give is to consider the source. The drug companies, and unfortunately our government, are handsomely paid to convince us that vaccines are safe and effective. I don't believe either to be true and I also don't think there is a happy medium. But that opinion has come over time. No parent really wants their child to be sick, even when we know they'll be stronger for it. Breastfeeding them for as long as possible, limiting sugary foods, keeping young babies away from others who are sick, and avoiding vaccines and antibiotics (unless truly necessary) is probably the best recipe I can come up with to keep them healthy. If they do get sick, I have an arsenal of homeopathic meds and other natural meds on hand. It's worked for me for about 15 years, with some scary moments but nothing my instincts didn't guide me through. You'll find your comfort zone, too. I do have a question. Why do you have to get vaccines to join your husband? Who told you that? Winnie New Member > > Hello, I am a first time mom to a 14 month old baby girl and am > jut > beginning my journey of all the research on vaccines I could > find. I > am not truly against vaccines nor am I totally for them, I just > wish > more pediatricians out there were a little more sensitive to a > parents > choice to vaccinate or not. My daughter is up to date on her > shots > except for the good ol MMR. I REFUSE to get her that one. I have > one > regret and that is, I wished I had waited until after her 1st > birthday > to begin immunizations. I feel as though I overloaded her tiny > little > body with so many toxins,that I could never forgive myself for > this. > Thank the Lord, at this point she is fine. My biggest fear is > that > later on something happens to her. What, I don't know, but I do > know > how smart she is now and fast she learned to do so many things > at such > early an early age. I have yet to become more well-informed, and > just > from the looks of it, this group will do exactly that! Thank you > and > God bless! > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 Winnie, Thank you for your support. I am blessed to have found this group. I do want to make sure I point out 1 thing. I can not breastfeed. Neither of my 2 kids were and any future kids will not be. I know this is said to build thier immune system but it is not an option for me. I do however take the other precautions. I have my kids eat fairly healthy and limit thier sugar. Although we do not totally avoid it. I also do not give them antibiotics or cold medicines alot. My oldest has had an antibiotic only twice. And my youngest has only been on antibiotics 1. Actually just in Nov. for a serious ear infection. It was his first one, he was 15 months old. The reason I believe we can not go overseas is because my hubby works for the govt. They have to clear us to go over. PLus, I know diseases over there are much more known than in the US. This scares me. Anyways, he said he was told that it is our legal choice not to vaccine but it is thier legal choice to not clear us to go. Any idea about this??? Do you not think doing a slower vax is better than doing it all at once??? How about using a homeopathic drops to help with the ill effects?? I jsut think if one has to do them, these would be good precautions to try to take. Thanks for all your help. I am very overwhelmed right now. I am scared to vax and scared not too.... Much Love, Beth New Member > > Hello, I am a first time mom to a 14 month old baby girl and am > jut > beginning my journey of all the research on vaccines I could > find. I > am not truly against vaccines nor am I totally for them, I just > wish > more pediatricians out there were a little more sensitive to a > parents > choice to vaccinate or not. My daughter is up to date on her > shots > except for the good ol MMR. I REFUSE to get her that one. I have > one > regret and that is, I wished I had waited until after her 1st > birthday > to begin immunizations. I feel as though I overloaded her tiny > little > body with so many toxins,that I could never forgive myself for > this. > Thank the Lord, at this point she is fine. My biggest fear is > that > later on something happens to her. What, I don't know, but I do > know > how smart she is now and fast she learned to do so many things > at such > early an early age. I have yet to become more well-informed, and > just > from the looks of it, this group will do exactly that! Thank you > and > God bless! > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile. / ;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR 8HDtDypao8Wcj9tA cJ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 Hi, Beth. If you can't breastfeed, you can't. That's okay, you just do your best with what you can. And, yes, I do think if you vaccinate on a slower paced schedule it's better that slamming them all at once. Certainly using homeopathics is a good idea, too. You mentioned an ear infection at 15 months. Was he vaccinated just before that? Kids do get ear infections for other reasons but it's a thought. It sounds as if you're stuck in between a rock and a hard place with the government giving you ultimatums. Maybe someone else has an idea about that. I know I just wouldn't go but that's because I'm sure of how I feel about vaccines. As time goes by, you won't be as scared about which way to go with vaccines. Just get informed and trust your judgment. Winnie New Member > > > > Hello, I am a first time mom to a 14 month old baby girl and > am > > jut > > beginning my journey of all the research on vaccines I could > > find. I > > am not truly against vaccines nor am I totally for them, I > just > > wish > > more pediatricians out there were a little more sensitive to a > > parents > > choice to vaccinate or not. My daughter is up to date on her > > shots > > except for the good ol MMR. I REFUSE to get her that one. I > have > > one > > regret and that is, I wished I had waited until after her 1st > > birthday > > to begin immunizations. I feel as though I overloaded her tiny > > little > > body with so many toxins,that I could never forgive myself for > > this. > > Thank the Lord, at this point she is fine. My biggest fear is > > that > > later on something happens to her. What, I don't know, but I > do > > know > > how smart she is now and fast she learned to do so many things > > at such > > early an early age. I have yet to become more well-informed, > and > > just > > from the looks of it, this group will do exactly that! Thank > you > > and > > God bless! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ > _Be a better friend, newshound, and > > know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. > > http://mobile. / ;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR 8HDtDypao8Wcj9tA cJ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 Winnie, Thanks again for your uplifting email. It helps to be in contact wiht others and to continue to get support. I am getting read to read a book by Dr. Sears on a slower process of vaccines. Also, thanks for the okay on not breastfeeding. It has always bothered me a little but my kids are healthy. No, he did not get the ear infetion after shots. He had shots at 12 months and this happened 3 months, almost 4 months later. Maybe it could have been but I think he just had an ear infection. He recovered nicely and is doing great!!!! Much Love, Beth New Member > > > > Hello, I am a first time mom to a 14 month old baby girl and > am > > jut > > beginning my journey of all the research on vaccines I could > > find. I > > am not truly against vaccines nor am I totally for them, I > just > > wish > > more pediatricians out there were a little more sensitive to a > > parents > > choice to vaccinate or not. My daughter is up to date on her > > shots > > except for the good ol MMR. I REFUSE to get her that one. I > have > > one > > regret and that is, I wished I had waited until after her 1st > > birthday > > to begin immunizations. I feel as though I overloaded her tiny > > little > > body with so many toxins,that I could never forgive myself for > > this. > > Thank the Lord, at this point she is fine. My biggest fear is > > that > > later on something happens to her. What, I don't know, but I > do > > know > > how smart she is now and fast she learned to do so many things > > at such > > early an early age. I have yet to become more well-informed, > and > > just > > from the looks of it, this group will do exactly that! Thank > you > > and > > God bless! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ > _Be a better friend, newshound, and > > know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. > > http://mobile. / ;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR 8HDtDypao8Wcj9tA cJ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 FYI, you do not have to vaccinate to go overseas. I used to travel all over the world for government business and vaccines never not once came up. Bottom line is illnesses aren't worse in other countries santitation and clean water are the issues, depending on the counties you are going to, first world countries this is pretty much a non issue, esp if he is working for the govt or the military they have these issues sorted out for you, regardless of the country you are in and it's economic status, so I really wouldn't worry about it. Hope this helps. > > Winnie, > > Thank you for your support. I am blessed to have found this group. > > I do want to make sure I point out 1 thing. I can not breastfeed. Neither of my 2 kids were and any future kids will not be. I know this is said to build thier immune system but it is not an option for me. I do however take the other precautions. I have my kids eat fairly healthy and limit thier sugar. Although we do not totally avoid it. I also do not give them antibiotics or cold medicines alot. My oldest has had an antibiotic only twice. And my youngest has only been on antibiotics 1. Actually just in Nov. for a serious ear infection. It was his first one, he was 15 months old. > > The reason I believe we can not go overseas is because my hubby works for the govt. They have to clear us to go over. PLus, I know diseases over there are much more known than in the US. This scares me. Anyways, he said he was told that it is our legal choice not to vaccine but it is thier legal choice to not clear us to go. Any idea about this??? > > Do you not think doing a slower vax is better than doing it all at once??? How about using a homeopathic drops to help with the ill effects?? I jsut think if one has to do them, these would be good precautions to try to take. > > Thanks for all your help. I am very overwhelmed right now. I am scared to vax and scared not too.... > > Much Love, > Beth > > > > New Member > > > > Hello, I am a first time mom to a 14 month old baby girl and am > > jut > > beginning my journey of all the research on vaccines I could > > find. I > > am not truly against vaccines nor am I totally for them, I just > > wish > > more pediatricians out there were a little more sensitive to a > > parents > > choice to vaccinate or not. My daughter is up to date on her > > shots > > except for the good ol MMR. I REFUSE to get her that one. I have > > one > > regret and that is, I wished I had waited until after her 1st > > birthday > > to begin immunizations. I feel as though I overloaded her tiny > > little > > body with so many toxins,that I could never forgive myself for > > this. > > Thank the Lord, at this point she is fine. My biggest fear is > > that > > later on something happens to her. What, I don't know, but I do > > know > > how smart she is now and fast she learned to do so many things > > at such > > early an early age. I have yet to become more well-informed, and > > just > > from the looks of it, this group will do exactly that! Thank you > > and > > God bless! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _Be a better friend, newshound, and > > know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. > > http://mobile. / ;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR 8HDtDypao8Wcj9tA cJ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 Beth, I can't say it enough - you have to learn about the diseases so you won't have fear of them What diseases do you fear? And you keep talking about homeopathic drops. I am a homeopath - there is no such thing that will work. I'm sure someone sells such things, but that does not mean they work. What is in those drops? Please tell me. There is NO guarantee that slower is safer. As many have said here, one vaccine can be the straw that breaks the camel's back. You have to research the government forcing you to vaccinate issue. But I can't see how anyone can be forced if they are not the employee (and in most cases the employee also cannot be forced) Are you hearing me here? Sheri listowner At 09:40 PM 3/13/2008, you wrote: Winnie, Thank you for your support. I am blessed to have found this group. I do want to make sure I point out 1 thing. I can not breastfeed. Neither of my 2 kids were and any future kids will not be. I know this is said to build thier immune system but it is not an option for me. I do however take the other precautions. I have my kids eat fairly healthy and limit thier sugar. Although we do not totally avoid it. I also do not give them antibiotics or cold medicines alot. My oldest has had an antibiotic only twice. And my youngest has only been on antibiotics 1. Actually just in Nov. for a serious ear infection. It was his first one, he was 15 months old. The reason I believe we can not go overseas is because my hubby works for the govt. They have to clear us to go over. PLus, I know diseases over there are much more known than in the US. This scares me. Anyways, he said he was told that it is our legal choice not to vaccine but it is thier legal choice to not clear us to go. Any idea about this??? Do you not think doing a slower vax is better than doing it all at once??? How about using a homeopathic drops to help with the ill effects?? I jsut think if one has to do them, these would be good precautions to try to take. Thanks for all your help. I am very overwhelmed right now. I am scared to vax and scared not too.... Much Love, Beth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 I share in you fear of the vaccines yet I also am not sure i totally oppose them. I however, so not doubt they can cause seriously and life threatening problems. My heart goes out to everyone affected by these. I jsut do not like my other option of not vaccinating against some pretty nasty diseases. what diseases are you fearful of Sheri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 I share in you fear of the vaccines yet I also am not sure i totally oppose them. I however, so not doubt they can cause seriously and life threatening problems. My heart goes out to everyone affected by these. I jsut do not like my other option of not vaccinating against some pretty nasty diseases. what diseases are you fearful of Sheri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 At 09:56 PM 3/13/2008, you wrote: Hi, Beth. If you can't breastfeed, you can't. That's okay, you just do your best with what you can. And, yes, I do think if you vaccinate on a slower paced schedule it's better that slamming them all at once. Certainly using homeopathics is a good idea, too. Take a from a homeopath - there is no guarantee with such thing. You mentioned an ear infection at 15 months. Was he vaccinated just before that? Kids do get ear infections for other reasons but it's a thought. Exactly. Ear infections are, for the most part, vaccine reactions. Unvaccinated children rarely, if at all, have ear infections. And ear infections do not have to be treated with antibiotics. Even many allopaths agree with that now. Sheri listowner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 At 10:13 PM 3/13/2008, you wrote: Winnie, Thanks again for your uplifting email. It helps to be in contact wiht others and to continue to get support. I am getting read to read a book by Dr. Sears on a slower process of vaccines. Well, just because Dr. Sears wrote it, does not make it true. He is an MD. Cave's book also talks about the same thing. some better books can be found on my webpage http://www.wellwithin1.com/bookstor.htm#vaccine The Vaccine Guide by Neustaedter (he is on this list) Vaccines: Are They Really Safe & Effective by and others there I have worked with this issue now for 20+ years and know that you cannot vaccinate safely - it is a delusion. Sheri listowner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 In a message dated 3/14/2008 7:00:02 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, vaccineinfo@... writes: Unvaccinated children rarely, if at all, have ear infections. just turned two and has never had an ear infection and is completely unvaxed. Holly **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 I have 5 unvaxed kids and none of them ever had an ear infection either!! Whereas their vaxed cousins have had many infections tubes, tonsils removed, the gamut. Mavis In a message dated 3/14/2008 11:59:47 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mensrea320@... writes: In a message dated 3/14/2008 7:00:02 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _vaccineinfo@vaccinein_ (mailto:vaccineinfo@...) writes: Unvaccinated children rarely, if at all, have ear infections. just turned two and has never had an ear infection and is completely unvaxed. Holly **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 Thank you Beth for your support and I plan to stay close and hopefully we can figure out what to do! Beth Jacomet <tommygirl18_1981@...> wrote: Welcome - I alos just joined a few days ago. There is alot of information out there and it can be overwhelming, scary and depressing but I know how important it is to educate ourselves. I have 2 kids agea 3 1/2 and 18 months. They both are up to date on their shots but my 18 months old is missing 2 from his 15 month set along with the MMR. I think I will also refuse the MMR but I am not sure. I have considered doing a slower schedule for him and using some homeopathic drops my ND gave me as some extra precautions. My cirumstances are a little different as my hubby is overseas and we HAVE to get the vaccines for us to be able to join him. I share in you fear of the vaccines yet I also am not sure i totally oppose them. I however, so not doubt they can cause seriously and life threatening problems. My heart goes out to everyone affected by these. I jsut do not like my other option of not vaccinating against some pretty nasty diseases. I am trying to find some sort of happy medium to take precautions to try to reduce the risk of ill effects to my children. However, I am not sure if ther eis a happy medium.....I am still on the hunt!!!! Stay close and we can all get through this together. Much Love, Beth New Member Hello, I am a first time mom to a 14 month old baby girl and am jut beginning my journey of all the research on vaccines I could find. I am not truly against vaccines nor am I totally for them, I just wish more pediatricians out there were a little more sensitive to a parents choice to vaccinate or not. My daughter is up to date on her shots except for the good ol MMR. I REFUSE to get her that one. I have one regret and that is, I wished I had waited until after her 1st birthday to begin immunizations. I feel as though I overloaded her tiny little body with so many toxins,that I could never forgive myself for this. Thank the Lord, at this point she is fine. My biggest fear is that later on something happens to her. What, I don't know, but I do know how smart she is now and fast she learned to do so many things at such early an early age. I have yet to become more well-informed, and just from the looks of it, this group will do exactly that! Thank you and God bless! __________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 One thing to consider is that ear infections many times are caused by allergies. Vaccines, in harming the immune system, can cause allergies which take time to become evident. I never once had an ear infection of my children's diagnosed to be bacterial, yet every time the doc prescribed antibiotics because of redness/fluid buildup. They appear to work because the symptoms stop but in reality they will not make a difference unless there is a bacterial infection. I like Dr. Sears (although I believe the one you're referring to is his son) support for attachment parenting but like most peds, he is pro-vaccine. I would be very careful about assuming that it's safe to give any vaccines, even with spacing them apart. I mean, if you really want to give them, that makes more sense than going by the " recommended " schedule. But it is still playing Russian roulette. Winnie New Member > > > > > > Hello, I am a first time mom to a 14 month old baby girl and > > am > > > jut > > > beginning my journey of all the research on vaccines I could > > > find. I > > > am not truly against vaccines nor am I totally for them, I > > just > > > wish > > > more pediatricians out there were a little more sensitive to > a > > > parents > > > choice to vaccinate or not. My daughter is up to date on her > > > shots > > > except for the good ol MMR. I REFUSE to get her that one. I > > have > > > one > > > regret and that is, I wished I had waited until after her > 1st > > > birthday > > > to begin immunizations. I feel as though I overloaded her > tiny > > > little > > > body with so many toxins,that I could never forgive myself > for > > > this. > > > Thank the Lord, at this point she is fine. My biggest fear > is > > > that > > > later on something happens to her. What, I don't know, but I > > do > > > know > > > how smart she is now and fast she learned to do so many > things > > > at such > > > early an early age. I have yet to become more well-informed, > > and > > > just > > > from the looks of it, this group will do exactly that! Thank > > you > > > and > > > God bless! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ > _________ > > _Be a better friend, newshound, and > > > know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. > > > http://mobile. / ;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR 8HDtDypao8Wcj9tA > cJ > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 I have a 7 year old and a 4 year old. My 7 year old has had one ear infection tied to a dairy intolerance and my 4 year old has never had an ear infection. My 7 year old was vaccinated up to 15 months and my 4 year old has never been vaccinated. Neither child has ever been on antibiotics either. Ear infections do not have to happen around the time a child gets their shots for them to be related to the shots. I'm far less scared of the diseases we vaccinate against than I am of the vaccines themselves. Both of my kids have been exposed to whooping cough and each had a suspected case of it. My younger son is also getting over a case of suspected rubella - it's so mild though that we cannot be sure. I expect my older son to come down with it soon as well. I also had rubella as a child - it was so mild that my mother almost missed it. If a child's immune system is healthy, they're far better equipped to deal with these diseases than a child whose immune system has been torn apart by the toxins in vaccinations, antibiotics, and other drugs given to children because children still do get the diseases we vaccinate against. In fact, the vaccines cause the disease itself in many cases. Vaccines do not protect children - their immune systems protect them. Breastfeeding didn't go well for me either. I nursed my oldest for 6 weeks and my youngest for 2 weeks and they're still very healthy. My younger is the healthiest for not having been vaccinated, but they both rarely get sick and they don't get the usual string of illnesses that's considered " normal " for kids these days. -- Roni Bergerson Independent Monavie Distributor Celebrate Good Health with Monavie! http://www.mymonavie.com/jandrbergerson/ -------------- Original message -------------- From: lordeeme@... I have 5 unvaxed kids and none of them ever had an ear infection either!! Whereas their vaxed cousins have had many infections tubes, tonsils removed, the gamut. Mavis In a message dated 3/14/2008 11:59:47 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mensrea320@... writes: In a message dated 3/14/2008 7:00:02 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _vaccineinfo@vaccinein_ (mailto:vaccineinfo@...) writes: Unvaccinated children rarely, if at all, have ear infections. just turned two and has never had an ear infection and is completely unvaxed. Holly **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 Sheri - I totally understand your position that any vaccines at any time can be harmful/dangerous. I am sure you know far more than I ever will about this topic...I thank you for your advice and support on this issue. I honestly can not point out a specific disease I am fearful of as I jsut started my research. However, there are still cases of polio around although not common. How about the Hep A & B???? What about measels, mumps or rubella??? I do not know much about these diseases. I am in the process of reading some books and trying to find info online. However, I do know that I am also more fearful of diseases by going overseas. I guess what I do not understand is how these vaccines were designed to prevent these diseases that were killing so many people and most of what I am hearing here and on other sites is that by getting some of these diseases they can actually strenghten the immune system. How can that be if they used to kill so many people? Also, if every stops getting vaccines, why should we not expect the diseases to come back and repeat history??? I want to make sure everyone understand I am a VERY concerned parent. I do not think the vaccines are 100% safe but I also can not say I am totally against trying to vaccinate your kids to protect them against these deadly diseases. I am on a very tight schedule for making this decision as my upcoming move depends on it. I also understand your point that the govt. can not make me give my kids the vaccines but they can prevent me from going overseas.....they simply will not clear us. If I put up a huge fight over it, I can foresee my hubby losing his job...... That is why I am trying to find a better way to still vaccinate. I think if I have to do it, I should at least take the precautions to help reduce the risk. If I were to stay here in the states, I honestly most likely would not finish the vaccines...but since I am scheduled to go overseas, I have a little different view of it right now. I do not agrue the fact that vaccines are not 100% safe. Nothing is...but I also am not 100% on the complete no-vax. Although, once again, I am not passing judgement on those who do not. I actually look up to you for being strong and taking a stand for what you believe. I think I will eventually get to the point of no-vax but I am just not there right now ( since i am moving overseas). So, am I correct that you do not approve Dr. Sears book at all? Is there anyone else on this forum that feels the same as I do at this point?? Also, I will attach the info on the drops I was given by my ND. Or better yet, let me try to find you the link.... I am truely just trying to find info on doing what I an do the best way possible with what I have. I feel SO deeply for the families affected by autism. My good friend works with autistic kids and thier families. It is heartbreaking....my prayers and love goes out to each and every one of them..... Here is the link: http://www.professionalformulas.com/pchf_catalog.htm it is on page 27 of the catalog and is over on the right hand side on the top. It is called Childhood Immunizations. Much Love, Beth Re: New Member Beth, I can't say it enough - you have to learn about the diseases so you won't have fear of them What diseases do you fear? And you keep talking about homeopathic drops. I am a homeopath - there is no such thing that will work. I'm sure someone sells such things, but that does not mean they work. What is in those drops? Please tell me. There is NO guarantee that slower is safer. As many have said here, one vaccine can be the straw that breaks the camel's back. You have to research the government forcing you to vaccinate issue. But I can't see how anyone can be forced if they are not the employee (and in most cases the employee also cannot be forced) Are you hearing me here? Sheri listowner At 09:40 PM 3/13/2008, you wrote: Winnie, Thank you for your support. I am blessed to have found this group. I do want to make sure I point out 1 thing. I can not breastfeed. Neither of my 2 kids were and any future kids will not be. I know this is said to build thier immune system but it is not an option for me. I do however take the other precautions. I have my kids eat fairly healthy and limit thier sugar. Although we do not totally avoid it. I also do not give them antibiotics or cold medicines alot. My oldest has had an antibiotic only twice. And my youngest has only been on antibiotics 1. Actually just in Nov. for a serious ear infection. It was his first one, he was 15 months old. The reason I believe we can not go overseas is because my hubby works for the govt. They have to clear us to go over. PLus, I know diseases over there are much more known than in the US. This scares me. Anyways, he said he was told that it is our legal choice not to vaccine but it is thier legal choice to not clear us to go. Any idea about this??? Do you not think doing a slower vax is better than doing it all at once??? How about using a homeopathic drops to help with the ill effects?? I jsut think if one has to do them, these would be good precautions to try to take. Thanks for all your help. I am very overwhelmed right now. I am scared to vax and scared not too.... Much Love, Beth ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 , this does help. Where did you travel??? What agency did you work for????? If I can get exempt from it, I will most likely hold off until I get more info......the reason Iam seriously considering it is because I am under the impression we HAVE to have them. By the way, we will be going to Korea.....then who knows where Much LOve, Beth New Member > > > > Hello, I am a first time mom to a 14 month old baby girl and am > > jut > > beginning my journey of all the research on vaccines I could > > find. I > > am not truly against vaccines nor am I totally for them, I just > > wish > > more pediatricians out there were a little more sensitive to a > > parents > > choice to vaccinate or not. My daughter is up to date on her > > shots > > except for the good ol MMR. I REFUSE to get her that one. I have > > one > > regret and that is, I wished I had waited until after her 1st > > birthday > > to begin immunizations. I feel as though I overloaded her tiny > > little > > body with so many toxins,that I could never forgive myself for > > this. > > Thank the Lord, at this point she is fine. My biggest fear is > > that > > later on something happens to her. What, I don't know, but I do > > know > > how smart she is now and fast she learned to do so many things > > at such > > early an early age. I have yet to become more well-informed, and > > just > > from the looks of it, this group will do exactly that! Thank you > > and > > God bless! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _Be a better friend, newshound, and > > know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. > > http://mobile. / ;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR 8HDtDypao8Wcj9tA cJ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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