New member

[Guest guest]

Hi Tara,

Welcome to the group ! My name is , and I have a two-year old daughter who

is unvaccinated :-) Just like you, I started questioning vaccines when I was

pregnant, and I am so glad I did. I agree with you that it gets frustrating when

we read all the information on vaccines and when we realize that parents are

being lied to concerning the health of their childen by the medical mafia...

Let's just hope we can make more people see the truth !

>

> Hello,

>  I am new to the group. My name is Tara . I have a one yr old. My

husband I do not vaccinate. I started reading about it when I was pregnant.. The

more I read. The more mad I got at the information I saw. So now it has turned

into a full time thing for me. I read and read. I started a book collection. It

is the only topic on my shelf. Oh and ASL.

> I would like to meet other parents like me. Also would like to maybe make a

new friend.

>  

> Thanks

> Tara~

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Tara,

Welcome to the group! I could have written your post when I was

pregnant with my first son in 2005... I'm so glad more and more

parents are doing this very same thing and researching for themselves.

Since 2005 I have learned SO MUCH from this list, the classes that our

list owner gives, and reading anything and everything I can find on

the subject - on both sides of the fence. I have no doubt you will

learn much here, too, and even start to call many of us " friends " .

Consider this a safe haven!

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 6:42 AM, Tara <tarathompson626@...> wrote:

>

>

> Hello,

>  I am new to the group. My name is Tara . I have a one yr old. My

> husband I do not vaccinate. I started reading about it when I was pregnant..

> The more I read. The more mad I got at the information I saw. So now it has

> turned into a full time thing for me. I read and read. I started a book

> collection. It is the only topic on my shelf. Oh and ASL.

> I would like to meet other parents like me. Also would like to maybe make a

> new friend.

>

> Thanks

> Tara~

[Guest guest]

The same has happened to me. could be spasms. I have had A for 23 years. I have

contacted the surgeon back and have been put to a surgeon, who specialized in A.

More tests then we will see which way we are going to go.

I know what you mean. It has effected my work, sleep etc.

contact your dr. back and take it from there.

Good luck and hang in there. Frustration and patience are all part of th

dissease.

|McRae

________________________________

From: dewdropinn4 <dewdropinn4@...>

achalasia

Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2009 7:22:54 AM

Subject: New member

 

Hello all,

I've been diagnosed with Achalasia for the past year now and have had the Heller

myotomy which did help with the swallowing, but now about a year later I feel

things slowing down again. However my major problem is the heartburn! It just

doesn't go away. I feel at times I'm having a heart attack. These constant

episodes have deteriorated my quality of life, I can't go out anywhere with an

arsenal of antacid meds and gallons of water. Does anyone have any suggestions

for this? Many thanks!

Shabnam

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[Guest guest]

The person from Mayo who wrote what an esophageal spasm was, likely never

had one. That may be the definition for some esophageal spasm, but

certainly is not for the ones I've had. He needs to read Debbi's infamous

post.

Maggie

[Guest guest]

According to Mayo Clinic a spasm is

" Esophageal spasms are an uncoordinated series of muscle contractions that

prevent food from traveling properly from your esophagus to your stomach " .

http://mayoclinic.com/health/esophageal-spasms/DS00763

I get this type of spasms when I eat macroni type pasta, may last for several

minutes. I believe it is the pasta pushing on the wall as my E is tapered. A

COLD COLD Coke opens the LES, the CO2 portion and the spasm goes away. Why you

want it COLD is because the CO2 does not evaporate as fast.

It is a know fact that CO2 opens the LES.

I believe others have a type of GERD where the acid comes up to the LES area and

called a spasm, but really is NCCP. I have had this many times.

rayme CA OC

>

> The same has happened to me. could be spasms. I have had A for 23 years. I

have contacted the surgeon back and have been put to a surgeon, who specialized

in A. More tests then we will see which way we are going to go.

>

> I know what you mean. It has effected my work, sleep etc.

>

> contact your dr. back and take it from there.

>

> Good luck and hang in there. Frustration and patience are all part of th

dissease.

>

> |McRae

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: dewdropinn4 <dewdropinn4@...>

> achalasia

> Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2009 7:22:54 AM

> Subject: New member

>

>  

> Hello all,

>

> I've been diagnosed with Achalasia for the past year now and have had the

Heller myotomy which did help with the swallowing, but now about a year later I

feel things slowing down again. However my major problem is the heartburn! It

just doesn't go away. I feel at times I'm having a heart attack. These constant

episodes have deteriorated my quality of life, I can't go out anywhere with an

arsenal of antacid meds and gallons of water. Does anyone have any suggestions

for this? Many thanks!

>

> Shabnam

>

>

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________________________

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[Guest guest]

Maggie

Can you define your type of spasm or spasms?

I have defined two of what I get, maybe notan could straighten us out.

rayme

>

> The person from Mayo who wrote what an esophageal spasm was, likely never

> had one. That may be the definition for some esophageal spasm, but

> certainly is not for the ones I've had. He needs to read Debbi's infamous

post.

>

> Maggie

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

ray_me_99 wrote:

> According to Mayo Clinic a spasm is

>

> " Esophageal spasms are an uncoordinated series of muscle contractions that

prevent food from traveling properly from your esophagus to your stomach " .

>

> http://mayoclinic.com/health/esophageal-spasms/DS00763

That isn't too bad of a definition but I do have two problems with it.

It only addresses spasms in plural - spasms not a spasm. Also, you may

not notice the problem with food. In fact, food may even help get rid of

the spasm/s.

A spasm is like a cramp. In general, not talking just about the

esophagus, a spasm is a dysfunctional contraction of a muscle. Spasm is

also specifically used to describe a constriction of a hollow organ.

like an esophagus. A spasm could be a contraction of a muscle in the

esophagus, just like a foot cramp is a contraction of a foot muscle. And

just as a foot cramp sometime is made better by walking on it, an

esophageal cramp is sometimes, not always, made better by eating. Spasms

could be a " series of muscle contractions. " I don't think most people

could tell the difference between one contraction or a series of

contractions in their esophagi. About the only thing they might notice

is the pain. I think some of the funny noises people report with

achalasia are also because of spasms but not everyone reports those or

feel what is causing them.

There are a number of sites that discuss them. For a couple see:

http://health./digestive-overview/esophageal-spasm/healthwise--ut1638sp\

ec.html

http://www.ehow.com/how_4548397_identify-esophageal-spasm.html

(how to tell spasm from heart attack)

notan

[Guest guest]

why october 17th? the official deadline is 11/30...at least for seasonal flu shot.

new member

Hi, I am an RN in NYS, being mandated to take flu shot by Oct 17th and when it comes out swine flu shot...or be "terminated". I am already being pressured to take the flu shot most days. I am hoping to get another job before I have to take either.

I was referred to this group by someone who said that there is info on here about a lawsuit. I want to get in on it. Someone I know was supposed to find a lawyer to start a class action suit, but it seems he dropped the ball.

I am appalled that this is happening in America. I am appalled that the US govt is letting NYS take away our constitutional right to "be secure in one's person."

I think this is the only way because if this is allowed to happen to healthcare workers (who now have less rights than jail inmates) the state will continue on and mandate it for everyone....and who knows how this will snowball into the govt making all sorts of mandates for "the good of everyone."

I've been exposed to the swine flu and did not get it (I think because I lead a generally healthy lifestyle). My coworker did get it, she is fine. The patient who had it also is fine. The DOH guy admitted to us that we are guinea pigs. He also said that having the swine flu will not exempt anyone from the shots. Ridiculous based on how the immune system works.

Can someone refer me to info about legal action being taken? Thanks Anne dale RN, PhD

[Guest guest]

I am Nurse too in NY state and have also refused the mandated shot. I already found a homecare job and will be leaving. I heard there is a Nurses Rally this Tuesday coming up but not sure exactly. I will not be force my healthy body to be injected....no way.

From: anne and Trev <chipsqur@...>Subject: new memberVaccinations Date: Sunday, September 27, 2009, 4:24 PM

Hi, I am an RN in NYS, being mandated to take flu shot by Oct 17th and when it comes out swine flu shot...or be "terminated" . I am already being pressured to take the flu shot most days. I am hoping to get another job before I have to take either.

I was referred to this group by someone who said that there is info on here about a lawsuit. I want to get in on it. Someone I know was supposed to find a lawyer to start a class action suit, but it seems he dropped the ball.

I am appalled that this is happening in America. I am appalled that the US govt is letting NYS take away our constitutional right to "be secure in one's person."

I think this is the only way because if this is allowed to happen to healthcare workers (who now have less rights than jail inmates) the state will continue on and mandate it for everyone.... and who knows how this will snowball into the govt making all sorts of mandates for "the good of everyone."

I've been exposed to the swine flu and did not get it (I think because I lead a generally healthy lifestyle). My coworker did get it, she is fine. The patient who had it also is fine. The DOH guy admitted to us that we are guinea pigs. He also said that having the swine flu will not exempt anyone from the shots. Ridiculous based on how the immune system works.

Can someone refer me to info about legal action being taken? Thanks Anne dale RN, PhD

[Guest guest]

private homecare job?

homecare agencies will require the shot as well.

assuming if private gig you are fine but if employed or get clients from homecare agencies it won't work after 11/30/09.

new member

Vaccinations

Date: Sunday, September 27, 2009, 4:24 PM

Hi, I am an RN in NYS, being mandated to take flu shot by Oct 17th and when it comes out swine flu shot...or be "terminated" . I am already being pressured to take the flu shot most days. I am hoping to get another job before I have to take either.

I was referred to this group by someone who said that there is info on here about a lawsuit. I want to get in on it. Someone I know was supposed to find a lawyer to start a class action suit, but it seems he dropped the ball.

I am appalled that this is happening in America. I am appalled that the US govt is letting NYS take away our constitutional right to "be secure in one's person."

I think this is the only way because if this is allowed to happen to healthcare workers (who now have less rights than jail inmates) the state will continue on and mandate it for everyone.... and who knows how this will snowball into the govt making all sorts of mandates for "the good of everyone."

I've been exposed to the swine flu and did not get it (I think because I lead a generally healthy lifestyle). My coworker did get it, she is fine. The patient who had it also is fine. The DOH guy admitted to us that we are guinea pigs. He also said that having the swine flu will not exempt anyone from the shots. Ridiculous based on how the immune system works.

Can someone refer me to info about legal action being taken? Thanks Anne dale RN, PhD

[Guest guest]

Sorry to hear all this. You can also check with Alan at:

http://vaccinerights.com/index.html

Be well,

Liz

>

> Hi, I am an RN in NYS, being mandated to take flu shot by Oct 17th and when it

comes out swine flu shot...or be " terminated " . I am already being pressured to

take the flu shot most days. I am hoping to get another job before I have to

take either.

>

> I was referred to this group by someone who said that there is info on here

about a lawsuit. I want to get in on it. Someone I know was supposed to find a

lawyer to start a class action suit, but it seems he dropped the ball.

>

> I am appalled that this is happening in America. I am appalled that the US

govt is letting NYS take away our constitutional right to " be secure in one's

person. "

>

> I think this is the only way because if this is allowed to happen to

healthcare workers (who now have less rights than jail inmates) the state will

continue on and mandate it for everyone....and who knows how this will snowball

into the govt making all sorts of mandates for " the good of everyone. "

>

> I've been exposed to the swine flu and did not get it (I think because I lead

a generally healthy lifestyle). My coworker did get it, she is fine. The

patient who had it also is fine. The DOH guy admitted to us that we are guinea

pigs. He also said that having the swine flu will not exempt anyone from the

shots. Ridiculous based on how the immune system works.

>

> Can someone refer me to info about legal action being taken? Thanks Anne

dale RN, PhD

>

[Guest guest]

Good for you!

Winnie Re: new memberVaccinations > I am Nurse too in NY state and have also refused the mandated > shot. I already found a homecare job and will be leaving. I > heard there is a Nurses Rally this Tuesday coming up but not > sure exactly. I will not be force my healthy body to be > injected....no way. >

[Guest guest]

good for you

there is a rally in Albany

Sheri

At 06:01 AM 9/27/2009, you wrote:

I am Nurse too in NY state and

have also refused the mandated shot. I already found a homecare job and

will be leaving. I heard there is a Nurses Rally this Tuesday

coming up but not sure exactly. I will not be force my healthy body

to be injected....no way.

From: anne and Trev <chipsqur@...>

Subject: new member

Vaccinations

Date: Sunday, September 27, 2009, 4:24 PM

Hi, I am an RN in NYS, being mandated to take flu shot

by Oct 17th and when it comes out swine flu shot...or be

" terminated " . I am already being pressured to take the

flu shot most days. I am hoping to get another job before I have to

take either.

I was referred to this group by someone who said that

there is info on here about a lawsuit. I want to get in on

it. Someone I know was supposed to find a lawyer to start a class

action suit, but it seems he dropped the ball.

I am appalled that this is happening in America. I

am appalled that the US govt is letting NYS take away our constitutional

right to " be secure in one's person. "

I think this is the only way because if this is allowed

to happen to healthcare workers (who now have less rights than jail

inmates) the state will continue on and mandate it for everyone.... and

who knows how this will snowball into the govt making all sorts of

mandates for " the good of everyone. "

I've been exposed to the swine flu and did not get it (I

think because I lead a generally healthy lifestyle). My coworker

did get it, she is fine. The patient who had it also is fine.

The DOH guy admitted to us that we are guinea pigs. He also said

that having the swine flu will not exempt anyone from the shots.

Ridiculous based on how the immune system works.

Can someone refer me to info about legal action being

taken? Thanks Anne dale RN, PhD

[Guest guest]

Phone the great folks at

www.nvic.org

they know lawyers that specialize in vaccine related cases.

I think they even have a PhD RN working at their office . . Vicky

Debold, or is she at Safe Minds? I can’t remember now.

From:

Vaccinations [mailto:Vaccinations ] On Behalf

Of anne and Trev

Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 11:50 AM

Vaccinations

Subject: Re: Re: new member

Geez, that's weird I had found him and

contacted him when this first started

and what he said was that he is " not familiar with class actions " and

so

didn't know if it was an option. He also said that no laws were violated by

the mandate.

I was hoping someone on this list knew more. Anne

Re: new member

> Sorry to hear all this. You can also check with Alan at:

http://vaccinerights.com/index.html

> Be well,

> Liz

>

>

> >

> > Hi, I am an RN in NYS, being mandated to take flu shot by Oct 17th

and

when it comes out swine flu shot...or be " terminated " . I am already

being

pressured to take the flu shot most days. I am hoping to get another job

before I have to take either.

> >

> > I was referred to this group by someone who said that there is info

on

here about a lawsuit. I want to get in on it. Someone I know was supposed

to find a lawyer to start a class action suit, but it seems he dropped the

ball.

> >

> > I am appalled that this is happening in America. I am appalled that

the

US govt is letting NYS take away our constitutional right to " be secure in

one's person. "

> >

> > I think this is the only way because if this is allowed to happen to

healthcare workers (who now have less rights than jail inmates) the state

will continue on and mandate it for everyone....and who knows how this will

snowball into the govt making all sorts of mandates for " the good of

everyone. "

> >

> > I've been exposed to the swine flu and did not get it (I think

because I

lead a generally healthy lifestyle). My coworker did get it, she is fine.

The patient who had it also is fine. The DOH guy admitted to us that we are

guinea pigs. He also said that having the swine flu will not exempt anyone

from the shots. Ridiculous based on how the immune system works.

> >

> > Can someone refer me to info about legal action being taken? Thanks

Anne dale RN, PhD

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Just looked it up – she is involved with both groups.

Vicky Debold, Ph.D.,

RN, Director of Patient Safety at www.nvic.org

And

She

also serves on the executive board of Safe Minds - www.safeminds.org

From:

Vaccinations [mailto:Vaccinations ] On Behalf

Of LexUU

Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 7:47 PM

Vaccinations

Subject: RE: Re: new member

Phone the great folks at

www.nvic.org

they know lawyers that specialize in

vaccine related cases.

I think they even have a PhD RN working

at their office . . Vicky Debold, or is she at Safe Minds? I

can’t remember now.

From:

Vaccinations [mailto:Vaccinations ] On Behalf

Of anne and Trev

Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 11:50 AM

Vaccinations

Subject: Re: Re: new member

Geez, that's weird I had found him and contacted him when this first started

and what he said was that he is " not familiar with class actions " and

so

didn't know if it was an option. He also said that no laws were violated by

the mandate.

I was hoping someone on this list knew more. Anne

Re: new member

> Sorry to hear all this. You can also check with Alan at:

http://vaccinerights.com/index.html

> Be well,

> Liz

>

>

> >

> > Hi, I am an RN in NYS, being mandated to take flu shot by Oct 17th

and

when it comes out swine flu shot...or be " terminated " . I am already

being

pressured to take the flu shot most days. I am hoping to get another job

before I have to take either.

> >

> > I was referred to this group by someone who said that there is info

on

here about a lawsuit. I want to get in on it. Someone I know was supposed

to find a lawyer to start a class action suit, but it seems he dropped the

ball.

> >

> > I am appalled that this is happening in America. I am appalled that

the

US govt is letting NYS take away our constitutional right to " be secure in

one's person. "

> >

> > I think this is the only way because if this is allowed to happen to

healthcare workers (who now have less rights than jail inmates) the state

will continue on and mandate it for everyone....and who knows how this will

snowball into the govt making all sorts of mandates for " the good of

everyone. "

> >

> > I've been exposed to the swine flu and did not get it (I think

because I

lead a generally healthy lifestyle). My coworker did get it, she is fine.

The patient who had it also is fine. The DOH guy admitted to us that we are

guinea pigs. He also said that having the swine flu will not exempt anyone

from the shots. Ridiculous based on how the immune system works.

> >

> > Can someone refer me to info about legal action being taken? Thanks

Anne dale RN, PhD

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Anne,

I've spoken with Alan and I know he's working individually on

helping some folks from NY on this issue.  I don't believe he's

involved in a class action, but perhaps he can help you, individually.

Worth contacting him again though, because events are unfolding

daily.

Good luck to you!

On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 9:50 AM, anne and Trev <chipsqur@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> Geez, that's weird I had found him and contacted him when this first started

> and what he said was that he is " not familiar with class actions " and so

> didn't know if it was an option. He also said that no laws were violated by

> the mandate.

>

> I was hoping someone on this list knew more. Anne

[Guest guest]

Just a thought... have you tried securing employment in a neighboring

state? It would mean more of a commute, but would be worth it to keep

your rights and your body from being violated!

>

> On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 9:50 AM, anne and Trev <chipsqur@...> wrote:

>>

>>

>>

>> Geez, that's weird I had found him and contacted him when this first started

>> and what he said was that he is " not familiar with class actions " and so

>> didn't know if it was an option. He also said that no laws were violated by

>> the mandate.

>>

>> I was hoping someone on this list knew more. Anne

>

[Guest guest]

Considering it. I'm not sure how that will go...my contact about 3 hours

away offered me a job on her unit anytime, but I don't know if there are

openings rignt now and she is also aware that I am against any vax. She

doesn't usually get the vax but said that if mandated, she would. I

haven't contacted her yet...and maybe they won't want to hire someone who

has a high chance of quitting if their state does mandate.

I am still working on just plain ... out of direct care.

NYS governor was asked to not run for re-election by the democrats. Well,

as far as I'm concerned he is a moron...how many votes does he think he's

winning by allowing this farce to proceed? Anne

> Just a thought... have you tried securing employment in a neighboring

> state? It would mean more of a commute, but would be worth it to keep

> your rights and your body from being violated!

>

>

>

>

>>

>> On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 9:50 AM, anne and Trev <chipsqur@...>

>> wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Geez, that's weird I had found him and contacted him when this first

>>> started

>>> and what he said was that he is " not familiar with class actions " and

>>> so

>>> didn't know if it was an option. He also said that no laws were

>>> violated by

>>> the mandate.

>>>

>>> I was hoping someone on this list knew more. Anne

>>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Guess I'll check into that...I am looking for something outside of direct care altogether.

There is a rally at the capitol in Albany Tues at 1000. I am going to try to get there. Anne

new memberVaccinations Date: Sunday, September 27, 2009, 4:24 PM

Hi, I am an RN in NYS, being mandated to take flu shot by Oct 17th and when it comes out swine flu shot...or be "terminated" . I am already being pressured to take the flu shot most days. I am hoping to get another job before I have to take either.

I was referred to this group by someone who said that there is info on here about a lawsuit. I want to get in on it. Someone I know was supposed to find a lawyer to start a class action suit, but it seems he dropped the ball.

I am appalled that this is happening in America. I am appalled that the US govt is letting NYS take away our constitutional right to "be secure in one's person."

I think this is the only way because if this is allowed to happen to healthcare workers (who now have less rights than jail inmates) the state will continue on and mandate it for everyone.... and who knows how this will snowball into the govt making all sorts of mandates for "the good of everyone."

I've been exposed to the swine flu and did not get it (I think because I lead a generally healthy lifestyle). My coworker did get it, she is fine. The patient who had it also is fine. The DOH guy admitted to us that we are guinea pigs. He also said that having the swine flu will not exempt anyone from the shots. Ridiculous based on how the immune system works.

Can someone refer me to info about legal action being taken? Thanks Anne dale RN, PhD

[Guest guest]

Because Albany med declared it the deadline. I know other hospitals are using 11/30 and I don't think we should have to have it earlier, but since when are we having any say-so about any of this... Anne

new member

Hi, I am an RN in NYS, being mandated to take flu shot by Oct 17th and when it comes out swine flu shot...or be "terminated". I am already being pressured to take the flu shot most days. I am hoping to get another job before I have to take either.

I was referred to this group by someone who said that there is info on here about a lawsuit. I want to get in on it. Someone I know was supposed to find a lawyer to start a class action suit, but it seems he dropped the ball.

I am appalled that this is happening in America. I am appalled that the US govt is letting NYS take away our constitutional right to "be secure in one's person."

I think this is the only way because if this is allowed to happen to healthcare workers (who now have less rights than jail inmates) the state will continue on and mandate it for everyone....and who knows how this will snowball into the govt making all sorts of mandates for "the good of everyone."

I've been exposed to the swine flu and did not get it (I think because I lead a generally healthy lifestyle). My coworker did get it, she is fine. The patient who had it also is fine. The DOH guy admitted to us that we are guinea pigs. He also said that having the swine flu will not exempt anyone from the shots. Ridiculous based on how the immune system works.

Can someone refer me to info about legal action being taken? Thanks Anne dale RN, PhD

[Guest guest]

Geez, that's weird I had found him and contacted him when this first started

and what he said was that he is " not familiar with class actions " and so

didn't know if it was an option. He also said that no laws were violated by

the mandate.

I was hoping someone on this list knew more. Anne

Re: new member

> Sorry to hear all this. You can also check with Alan at:

http://vaccinerights.com/index.html

> Be well,

> Liz

>

>

> >

> > Hi, I am an RN in NYS, being mandated to take flu shot by Oct 17th and

when it comes out swine flu shot...or be " terminated " . I am already being

pressured to take the flu shot most days. I am hoping to get another job

before I have to take either.

> >

> > I was referred to this group by someone who said that there is info on

here about a lawsuit. I want to get in on it. Someone I know was supposed

to find a lawyer to start a class action suit, but it seems he dropped the

ball.

> >

> > I am appalled that this is happening in America. I am appalled that the

US govt is letting NYS take away our constitutional right to " be secure in

one's person. "

> >

> > I think this is the only way because if this is allowed to happen to

healthcare workers (who now have less rights than jail inmates) the state

will continue on and mandate it for everyone....and who knows how this will

snowball into the govt making all sorts of mandates for " the good of

everyone. "

> >

> > I've been exposed to the swine flu and did not get it (I think because I

lead a generally healthy lifestyle). My coworker did get it, she is fine.

The patient who had it also is fine. The DOH guy admitted to us that we are

guinea pigs. He also said that having the swine flu will not exempt anyone

from the shots. Ridiculous based on how the immune system works.

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[Guest guest]

A big and wonderful welcome to our newest members.  I am pretty new here myself

and feel like I have made some wonderful connections thus far.  Let us know how

we can help or if you have any questions you might need answered.  We are here

for you!

~ Utah

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Sent: Sat, October 31, 2009 2:04:14 AM

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A Big welcome to our newest member.

Look forward to hearing a bit about yourself when your ready.

Warm Cheers

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My little yorkie does the same thing. I have 2 little yorkies & they sleep

closer to me when I feel bad. I don't know what they sense but they act

different. Wanting to go with me when I go out. When I feel fine they don't seem

to want to take every step I do or sleep as close to me.

Odd, huh?

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That's really interesting about your dog.I agree with you about the health aspect of health insurance rather than the political aspect. Mike========== Darwin: "It is not the strongest species that survive, nor the most intelligent, but the ones most responsive to change." From: andrea schaerf <andreaschaerf@...>Subject: new member Date: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 11:14 AM

I am fairly new to this. I would like to add my two cent though about the topic that are okay to discuss. I think health insurance and how to get and keep care for whatever conditions that lead to having an ICD are very worthwhile. I dont think polital viewpoints on it are helpful. We all may not share those beliefs. We all do share wanting and needing to keep the care that allows us to function with our ICD's. In regard to the health insurance reforms, it would be wise to write or call our representatives to let them know that the care is needed. Whatever any detail other than regrdingh these issues comes up, I would not want to be rigid.

One item to bring up- my dog likes to rest her head on the ICD. i think she may hear something. She seems to know when I am having arrythmias and pace. She stays alert then with her head one it. Has anyone had anything like this?

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my service dog current and last has alerted to my arrithmias he was train as was sean for this ! by me ! i also had one dog react negitively to the icd and or arrithmias! so yep i've had that happen

stacie and kira service dog and hero and my over the bridge doggie sean collie always and forever service dog and hero !