Re: Re: Do not miss this!!!

[Guest guest]

My hubby is my geek squad

Thanks for the " fix " ...now you are a member of my geek squad, !

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

Re: Do not miss this!!!

Don't forget to click on the comments section. Good work WSJ (my

daily). Again, the link worked fine for me; call your geek squad.

> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122783168773162977.html?

> I want you to read this and comment...How does this make you feel?

> Ellen

>

[Guest guest]

Your link worked but I am not sure how...I tried to cut and paste the link from

the email I got and it included the http and it didn't work...what did you do

differently?

By the way, I think most of us looked geeky back in highschool...

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

Re: Do not miss this!!!

Here, and in your earlier post, you imply, but don't say, something

worked. You mean the " w or w/o http// " worked for you? If so,

others may want to try it -- and I get to change my member ID

to " geek. Cool. I've got the old HS pic's to go with it.

>

> > http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122783168773162977.html?

> > I want you to read this and comment...How does this make you

feel?

> > Ellen

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I will try it again, next time...

Thanks CG (aka computer geek:)

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

Re: Do not miss this!!!

Nada. I did the same as always -- highlight a little more than the

http address itself (so the " click " doesn't just go to it), then

edit, copy, go to destination, set cursor, edit, paste, delete the

few extra characters carried with, and Voila! Works for me.

Like the Swimming with Whales?

> >

> > > http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122783168773162977.html?

> > > I want you to read this and comment...How does this make you

> feel?

> > > Ellen

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Liz.

SInce this is in your neighborhood, you are in the best position as a

constituent to make a big stink...it sure does STINK, doesn't it?

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

Re: Do not miss this!!!

Ellen,

This truly makes me sick. The group home is about 15 miles from me. I

had heard that it was to be closing, but when I read the article, it

truly made me unhappy. There just aren't enough of them to go around &

then to uproot the residents when they are happy where they are is so

wrong. There is a shelter care in our county also that had been

housing 42 people. They are also closing, because the county chairman

wants to get out of the shelter care business.

I can't call my state reps til Tuesday, but will copy the article, if

I can & may hand deliver it to at least one.

Liz

[Guest guest]

I wish I knew, .

I am sick about what is happening.

We must keep letting our legislators and the press know...

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

Re: Do not miss this!!!

L read the article about the group closing .My son is moving in one real soon

what Can we do to get more funding for are kids. so this won't happen more,it

very scary.

Petkus

[Guest guest]

One question, to clarify.  Are you sure the children are getting SSI, or might

they be getting Social Security survivors benefits based on the father's work

record and the fact that he is deceased?

" The secret to l'Arche is relationship: meeting people...heart to heart " .  Jean

Vanier

Visit us on the 2nd Thursday of each month!

 

andra Conroy

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Office:708-795-1273 Home: 773-287-8249

From: Diane S <swedegrl@...>

Subject: Re: Do not miss this!!!

IPADDUnite

Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 11:08 PM

Ok here is something I need help with....... please don't post or

send me emails telling me how insensitive I am either, I am asking a

legitamite, non judgemental question, that I need an answer to.

Okay, here is a senerio..... I know some family very well, and know

thses facts:

1) Mother is working as a teacher

2) Father was working as a minister

3) Father died in a car accident a few years ago

4) They do not meet poverty standards

5) They own a home

6) Father had 2 insurance policies of AT LEAST $500,000

7) children get SSI? each one every month, even though mom makes a

decent wage.

8) children are NT kids

9) here is the one I can't understand: they waste the money on fast

food, " hanging out " , etc.

okay, now I am very sorry for the loss of the father ( my kids lost

their's as well, but to divorce (and they never see him), so I get

it, I feel bad for the kids that lost their dad so tragically.

BUT, why are these people MORE deserving than our kids- who cannot

take care of themselves, for the basics like housing (CILAS), or able

to work in most cases at a job where they can earn enough to support

food, housing etc.

Okay, I know mom and dad both worked and put into the system.....

but I have as well, as probably all of us on this site have as well,

so where is our children's money?

Also in my case,Don't say child support, I don't get any. And no, I

am not at poverty level either-(smae as this family I speak of)

Is there something wrong with this system? Should those who cannot

support themselves due to a disability be entitled AS WELL?

D.S.

>

> The only saving grace (selfish I know) is that my oldest is 16 and

there is

> some time before he will be in this position...hopefull y through

our voices,

> Illinois will be vastly improved by the time he enters residential

care...

>

> NOw tell me Illinois politicians (regardless of party) shouldn't

our tax

> dollars highest priority be to spend on those who are unable to

take care of

> themselves.. .or at least pay the bills we already owe???

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 11/28/2008 7:34:03 P.M. Central Standard Time,

> egskb@... writes:

>

>

>

>

>

> _http://online. http://online.<Whttp://online.<Whttp://onl_

> (http://online. wsj.com/article/ SB12278316877316 2977.html?)

> mod=rss_Page_ mod=rss_

>

> I couldn't make this link work, but I think each and every one of

you

> had better find this article and read it...NOW!

> This is what our state has come to...

> I want you to read this and comment...How does this make you feel?

> Ellen

>

>

>

>

> ************ **Finally, one site has it all: your friends, your

email, your

> favorite sites. Try the NEW AOL.com.

> (http://www.aol. com/?optin= new-

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>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Any minor child whose parent dies receives a certain amount of money each month

from the deceased parent's Social Security account. The amount is dependent

upon the credits that the deceased parent accrued during his or her working

years. Everyone gets a statement each year detailing this information. I

believe that this was put into place when most families had only one parent who

worked outside of the home, and would allow the non-working parent to remain at

home to care for the child.

I agree with you, though. There should be income limitations, and the amound

received should be based on a sliding scale, not just a blanket amount.

IPADDUnite@...: larchechicago@...: Mon, 1 Dec

2008 06:25:16 -0800Subject: Re: Re: Do not miss this!!!

One question, to clarify. Are you sure the children are getting SSI, or might

they be getting Social Security survivors benefits based on the father's work

record and the fact that he is deceased? " The secret to l'Arche is relationship:

meeting people...heart to heart " . VanierVisit us on the 2nd Thursday of

each month! andra ConroyExecutive Director and Community LeaderL'Arche

Chicago 1049 S Austin Blvd Chicago IL 60644

Office:708-795-1273 Home: 773-287-8249From: Diane S <swedegrl@...>Subject:

Re: Do not miss this!!!IPADDUnite@...: Sunday, November 30,

2008, 11:08 PMOk here is something I need help with....... please don't post or

send me emails telling me how insensitive I am either, I am asking a legitamite,

non judgemental question, that I need an answer to.Okay, here is a senerio.....

I know some family very well, and know thses facts:1) Mother is working as a

teacher2) Father was working as a minister3) Father died in a car accident a few

years ago4) They do not meet poverty standards5) They own a home6) Father had 2

insurance policies of AT LEAST $500,0007) children get SSI? each one every

month, even though mom makes a decent wage. 8) children are NT kids9) here is

the one I can't understand: they waste the money on fast food, " hanging out " ,

etc.okay, now I am very sorry for the loss of the father ( my kids lost their's

as well, but to divorce (and they never see him), so I get it, I feel bad for

the kids that lost their dad so tragically.BUT, why are these people MORE

deserving than our kids- who cannot take care of themselves, for the basics like

housing (CILAS), or able to work in most cases at a job where they can earn

enough to support food, housing etc.Okay, I know mom and dad both worked and put

into the system..... but I have as well, as probably all of us on this site have

as well, so where is our children's money? Also in my case,Don't say child

support, I don't get any. And no, I am not at poverty level either-(smae as this

family I speak of)Is there something wrong with this system? Should those who

cannot support themselves due to a disability be entitled AS WELL?D.S.>> The only saving grace

(selfish I know) is that my oldest is 16 and there is > some time before he will

be in this position...hopefull y through our voices, > Illinois will be vastly

improved by the time he enters residential care...> > NOw tell me Illinois

politicians (regardless of party) shouldn't our tax > dollars highest priority

be to spend on those who are unable to take care of > themselves.. .or at least

pay the bills we already owe???> > > > > In a message dated 11/28/2008

7:34:03 P.M. Central Standard Time, > egskb@... writes:> > > > > >

_http://online. http://online.<Whttp://online.<Whttp://onl_ > (http://online.

wsj.com/article/ SB12278316877316 2977.html?) > mod=rss_Page_ mod=rss_> > I

couldn't make this link work, but I think each and every one of you > had better

find this article and read it...NOW!> This is what our state has come to...> I

want you to read this and comment...How does this make you feel?> Ellen> > > > >

************ **Finally, one site has it all: your friends, your email, your >

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[Guest guest]

I get it Diane.

I could share lots of more illustrative stories of families I know on the north

shore...

The argument is that the kids are in poverty, but we know they will not starve

since the parents are well to do...it is a very difficult situation...

Someday maybe I will share with the group why I didn't apply for 72D for Noah

which ultimately cost us the opportunity for more immediate housing...

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

Re: Do not miss this!!!

Ok here is something I need help with....... please don't post or

send me emails telling me how insensitive I am either, I am asking a

legitamite, non judgemental question, that I need an answer to.

Okay, here is a senerio..... I know some family very well, and know

thses facts:

1) Mother is working as a teacher

2) Father was working as a minister

3) Father died in a car accident a few years ago

4) They do not meet poverty standards

5) They own a home

6) Father had 2 insurance policies of AT LEAST $500,000

7) children get SSI? each one every month, even though mom makes a

decent wage.

8) children are NT kids

9) here is the one I can't understand: they waste the money on fast

food, " hanging out " , etc.

okay, now I am very sorry for the loss of the father ( my kids lost

their's as well, but to divorce (and they never see him), so I get

it, I feel bad for the kids that lost their dad so tragically.

BUT, why are these people MORE deserving than our kids- who cannot

take care of themselves, for the basics like housing (CILAS), or able

to work in most cases at a job where they can earn enough to support

food, housing etc.

Okay, I know mom and dad both worked and put into the system.....

but I have as well, as probably all of us on this site have as well,

so where is our children's money?

Also in my case,Don't say child support, I don't get any. And no, I

am not at poverty level either-(smae as this family I speak of)

Is there something wrong with this system? Should those who cannot

support themselves due to a disability be entitled AS WELL?

D.S.

>

> The only saving grace (selfish I know) is that my oldest is 16 and

there is

> some time before he will be in this position...hopefully through

our voices,

> Illinois will be vastly improved by the time he enters residential

care...

>

> NOw tell me Illinois politicians (regardless of party) shouldn't

our tax

> dollars highest priority be to spend on those who are unable to

take care of

> themselves...or at least pay the bills we already owe???

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 11/28/2008 7:34:03 P.M. Central Standard Time,

> egskb@... writes:

>

>

>

>

>

> _http://online.http://online.<Whttp://online.<Whttp://onl_

> (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122783168773162977.html?)

> mod=rss_Page_mod=rss_

>

> I couldn't make this link work, but I think each and every one of

you

> had better find this article and read it...NOW!

> This is what our state has come to...

> I want you to read this and comment...How does this make you feel?

> Ellen

>

>

>

>

> **************Finally, one site has it all: your friends, your

email, your

> favorite sites. Try the NEW AOL.com.

> (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-

dp & icid=aolcom40vanity & ncid=emlcntaolcom00000006)

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

NIce analysis/description, .

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

Re: Do not miss this!!!

I see the knowledgeable folks have already clarified that this is

probably survivor benefits. But I think I see a deeper question in

your post, one we all run into sometimes.

When our democracy sets up entitlements and aid programs, there is

often not parity and is that right? Obviously, on one level the

answer is " no " . But the reality of a democracy is that among the

competing interests, the self-serving will be the strongest. We may

wish our Constitution stated that programs for the most disabled must

be funded before we spend any money on ourselves -- a noble thought,

but probably unworkable.

So, as it relates to Social Security, the program was set up in a

time when " welfare " was socially very unacceptable, and yet something

had to be done to reduce poverty in the elderly. So the program was

designed more or less as a guarenteed pension plan and the

participants have a real entitlement to the payouts (I don't use the

word " right " , because I think it is vastly over used). Now, you will

note that there is still an element of " welfare " in the program --

obviously the low income folks often take out more than they put in,

and the high income folks, while they get more, don't get back what

they put in unless they live incredibly long lives. Such was

the " figleaf " that allowed the program to be acceptable to a broad

enough majority.

Since that time, we have expanded the inequality of payout as society

became more comfortable with the welfare aspect. We even put the SSI

program under Social Security, an expedient, but perhaps longterm

risky move, as noted below. There is even now (witness the recent

election) a resistance, for example, to raising the limits of income

on which FICA is assessed. A recent editorial in the Wall Street

Journal argues that resistance may be a good thing, because Social

Security has been a very successful program, and to push it farther

into a welfare mode risks losing the wide support it has always had.

They cite the SSI addition, particularly, as adding the aura of

welfare to the system.

I know this is cold comfort, but the Social Security program has done

a massive amount of good in ameliorating elder and orphan poverty. I

don't think it's insensitive at all to question why this program

doles out so much money while some programs for the disabled are

underfunded. But I think the answer lies in finding other money for

the disabled. Social Security " entitlements " will always be better

funded than " benefits " just as we all keep more money than we give to

charity (with apologies to Rev. Warren, Mr. Buffett and all other

exceptions).

> >

> > The only saving grace (selfish I know) is that my oldest is 16

and

> there is

> > some time before he will be in this position...hopefully through

> our voices,

> > Illinois will be vastly improved by the time he enters

residential

> care...

> >

> > NOw tell me Illinois politicians (regardless of party) shouldn't

> our tax

> > dollars highest priority be to spend on those who are unable to

> take care of

> > themselves...or at least pay the bills we already owe???

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 11/28/2008 7:34:03 P.M. Central Standard

Time,

> > egskb@ writes:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > _http://online.http://online.<Whttp://online.<Whttp://onl_

> > (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122783168773162977.html?)

> > mod=rss_Page_mod=rss_

> >

> > I couldn't make this link work, but I think each and every one of

> you

> > had better find this article and read it...NOW!

> > This is what our state has come to...

> > I want you to read this and comment...How does this make you

feel?

> > Ellen

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > **************Finally, one site has it all: your friends, your

> email, your

> > favorite sites. Try the NEW AOL.com.

> > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-

> dp & icid=aolcom40vanity & ncid=emlcntaolcom00000006)

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I have to think about this...I am sorry I mentioned it...

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

Re: Do not miss this!!!

Ellen,

Plase share your story, I think if we have battles to face and

continue to be the group of least entitlements, we should understand

all sides of the issues. Thanks.

Diane

> >

> > The only saving grace (selfish I know) is that my oldest is 16

and

> there is

> > some time before he will be in this position...hopefully

through

> our voices,

> > Illinois will be vastly improved by the time he enters

residential

> care...

> >

> > NOw tell me Illinois politicians (regardless of party)

shouldn't

> our tax

> > dollars highest priority be to spend on those who are unable to

> take care of

> > themselves...or at least pay the bills we already owe???

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 11/28/2008 7:34:03 P.M. Central Standard

Time,

> > egskb@ writes:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > _http://online.http://online.<Whttp://online.<Whttp://onl_

> > (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122783168773162977.html?)

> > mod=rss_Page_mod=rss_

> >

> > I couldn't make this link work, but I think each and every one

of

> you

> > had better find this article and read it...NOW!

> > This is what our state has come to...

> > I want you to read this and comment...How does this make you

feel?

> > Ellen

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > **************Finally, one site has it all: your friends, your

> email, your

> > favorite sites. Try the NEW AOL.com.

> > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-

> dp & icid=aolcom40vanity & ncid=emlcntaolcom00000006)

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Diane:

My story is actually no longer relevant since 72D no longer exists.

I have spent a lot of time thinking about my initial statement about north shore

families and I apologize to any families I may have offended. There are times

when I feel so frustrated by the inequities in life, especially when it leads to

such hardships for individuals with disabilities and their families.

But the fact is, that many families take a great deal of time to learn about

what is available to them and to their child with a disability and they should

not be penalized for being well-informed, smart and assertive.

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

Re: Do not miss this!!!

Ellen,

Plase share your story, I think if we have battles to face and

continue to be the group of least entitlements, we should understand

all sides of the issues. Thanks.

Diane

> >

> > The only saving grace (selfish I know) is that my oldest is 16

and

> there is

> > some time before he will be in this position...hopefully

through

> our voices,

> > Illinois will be vastly improved by the time he enters

residential

> care...

> >

> > NOw tell me Illinois politicians (regardless of party)

shouldn't

> our tax

> > dollars highest priority be to spend on those who are unable to

> take care of

> > themselves...or at least pay the bills we already owe???

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 11/28/2008 7:34:03 P.M. Central Standard

Time,

> > egskb@ writes:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > _http://online.http://online.<Whttp://online.<Whttp://onl_

> > (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122783168773162977.html?)

> > mod=rss_Page_mod=rss_

> >

> > I couldn't make this link work, but I think each and every one

of

> you

> > had better find this article and read it...NOW!

> > This is what our state has come to...

> > I want you to read this and comment...How does this make you

feel?

> > Ellen

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > **************Finally, one site has it all: your friends, your

> email, your

> > favorite sites. Try the NEW AOL.com.

> > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-

> dp & icid=aolcom40vanity & ncid=emlcntaolcom00000006)

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Thank you for your sensitivity, Diane. I really appreciate it.

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

Re: Do not miss this!!!

No problem Ellen. Maybe someday, and the time is not right now. No

offense taken. I do realize as well, that we do not want to make

anyone upset either, and what you have to say might make others

defensive, upset, sad, etc. Some things are better left unsaid for

the good of everyone. I get it.

> > >

> > > The only saving grace (selfish I know) is that my oldest is

16

> and

> > there is

> > > some time before he will be in this position...hopefully

> through

> > our voices,

> > > Illinois will be vastly improved by the time he enters

> residential

> > care...

> > >

> > > NOw tell me Illinois politicians (regardless of party)

> shouldn't

> > our tax

> > > dollars highest priority be to spend on those who are unable

to

> > take care of

> > > themselves...or at least pay the bills we already owe???

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > In a message dated 11/28/2008 7:34:03 P.M. Central Standard

> Time,

> > > egskb@ writes:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > _http://online.http://online.<Whttp://online.<Whttp://onl_

> > > (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122783168773162977.html?)

> > > mod=rss_Page_mod=rss_

> > >

> > > I couldn't make this link work, but I think each and every

one

> of

> > you

> > > had better find this article and read it...NOW!

> > > This is what our state has come to...

> > > I want you to read this and comment...How does this make you

> feel?

> > > Ellen

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > **************Finally, one site has it all: your friends,

your

> > email, your

> > > favorite sites. Try the NEW AOL.com.

> > > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-

> > dp & icid=aolcom40vanity & ncid=emlcntaolcom00000006)

> > >

> > >

> > >