Re: They should be perfect!

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<<What kind of behavior programs did you guys have in your lunchrooms?

Every

year we had a different one, colored cups, sticks in a can, but my

favorite

was a big stoplight they mounted on the wall that turned yellow if the

noise

level got too high and then buzzed loud enough to scare everyone when it

turned red due to noise volumn. Red meant entire lunchroom went on

silence

and then we had to wait until the elapsed time of silence before

stoplight

went back to green. AS SOON as it turned green, every kid started

yakkking

and the damned process would start all over!!! Kids never got to talk!!>>

wow... so much strictness and rules wow...We went K-6 and no eating at

school...we walked home everyday for lunch what grade was this in?

Gail

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<< This was my children's elementary school Gail ... not that long ago!!

;-)

The lunchroom is very strict, kids have no free time in school today. No

talking in the halls, no talking in PE, no talking standing in line and

if

you talk too much at lunch your class gets in trouble and all are

punished.

How much more discipline can they take?

Cheryl in VA>>

I loved going home for lunch. Warm tomato soup and sandwiches with

the crust cut off The best part was watching half an hour of tv.

The Captain

Penny show would feature Little Rascals in 2 fifteen minutes segments!

I never saw an actual food fight in a school in person. I just thought

it was

dumb thing on a movie and no one ever actually did that. We talked in

all

of the areas you mentioned. Punished? geesh...I wouldn't go for that at

all.

Gail

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In the elem school all my children went to the lunch room was supervised by

one teacher and an aide. The teachers rotated having lunch duty. This was

only for the primary grades (1 to 5). The upper grades it would only be an

aide. Her job was just to keep the noise down and make sure the kids took

their trays up before going out to recess. At the HS I now work at, they have

a cafeteria employee sitting there, her job is to make the boys take off

their hats and call security if a fight breaks out. I have been in a number

of other schools around our area at lunch time and have never seen anything

different.

Granny....(poking you in the ribs for fun) ...you age is showing LOL LOL. I

may be wrong but I don't think there are many places where teachers have

lunch with the kids.

Growing up (50's early 60's era) I went to Catholic schools, lunch room

conduct was much different than what my children experienced. I went to 8

schools, my Dad was in the Navy so we moved a lot. I remember one where we

were not even allow to talk in the lunch room!

And one more thing....I love to blow bubbles in my milk !! )) especially if

it is chocolate. Been trying for years to make up for all the fun I missed

out on when I was a kid!! LOL LOL

Green

Mom to 18/ds

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>

> Same here...This is a high of more than 2000 and there are 3 or

> 4 shifts and my nds son (17) said there are not seats for everyone.

> I knew there was a reason I cut lunch and went to Mcd's..hehe

> And this is a school I'm gonna send Ted to? I hope not! Any one

> have a nice high school with a small population?

> Gail

Yikes, I thought our high school was too big. Until I read some of your

all responses. We probably have about 1000 to 1200 students grades 9 - 12.

This is divided into two adjacent buildings connected by a covered walk way.

One is predominately 9 & 10, and the other the upper classmen. There is

alot of travel between the two buildings depending on what classes you take.

Each building has it's own cafeteria with 3 lunch periods. I asked my son

(nda) about monitors, etc. He says they do have some monitors, and he

reports that there's not really alot of fighting or food fights. I know

that he used to complain about the long lines in 10th grade, but I think

they have more variety and food stations in the upper class building. He

usually goes to the made to order sandwich station. He loves lunches these

days. On nice days they are allowed to go out on the front lawn to eat.

Our local elementary school is on the small side - there are 2 classes for

every grade. Most of the classes have under 25 students. Nicky's 3'd

grade class has 21 and that is the largest class he has ever been in.

There are 2 lunch periods, and each has several monitors. Most days the

principal is in there as one of the monitors. She's a very hand's on

principal - opens cartons, wipes tables with the rest of them. Things are

kept pretty orderly. The kids sit by class at assigned tables. The kids

are allowed to talk, but not yell across the room. Hands are raised when

the kids need help. When a student is finished with their lunch they raise

their hand, and a monitor comes over and checks to see that their trash is

in order, etc. and then they are allowed to take their trays up to the trash

cans, and return to their seats. There is a book rack in the cafeteria that

a student can request to go and choose a book if they desire. At the end

of the period they are dismissed by tables, usually by who is sitting

quietly and ready to go. I've always been very impressed whenever I've

been there. When my son first attended there in 1st grade, I volunteered

as a monitor for the first week (they have extras there the first 2 weeks of

school) it was very reassuring to see that he wouldn't get lost in the

chaos I'd seen in other elementary schools. Each year they also give the

1st graders 4th grade buddies for the first week of school, who sit at lunch

with them and show them the routine. Respect for others is really

emphasized at the school. I've felt good about having my son there.

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<<i went home everyday for lunch >>

Small classes (and schools), parent presence, teachers eating lunch with

students, walking home for lunch, no " bad guys " sneaking in the school to

steal purses or anything else. . .are we all waxing nostalgic yet? ;o)

Judi--still looking for the start of the thread, but reading everything

in-between!

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I wish it were true that those of us who work with kids with disabilities

get higher salaries than general education teachers, but it isn't!! At

least not where I am. I've been teaching kids with mulitple disabilities

for 13 years, have two special education certifications and a masters degree

in special ed and I'm still one of the lowest paid teachers in our

county--not just my school district. I'd be happy just to make the same

salary as a general ed teacher with similar educational background. But the

bottom line is that I truly enjoy what I'm doing and therefore try not to

pay much attention to the differences in salaries.

Jill

Re: They should be perfect!

> In a message dated 3/19/2001 10:13:27 AM Central Standard Time,

> List@... writes:

>

>

> > !! Anywhoooooo... I just thought it was interesting how things

> > have changed! When I was younger we always had art, music, and physical

> > education... what has happened???

> >

> >

>

> When I was young, we had art, music, band, phyed, recess that wasnt during

> only during the lunch hr. Drivers ed was a class for a 1/2 credit and no

> fee. Sports didn't require and activity fee, spetator buses for actletic

> events yeah things have changed. Some not for the better. But what

happened

> is when they passed IDEA they stated they would fund it up to 40%. The

most

> they have ever funded it has been like 6% (?) or so. My guess is they

never

> intended to provide anywhere near 40% but it sure looks good to 'the

people'

> . The schools still have to pay the teachers, saleries and contracts have

> improved greatly for alot of them, but obviously those who have taken more

> training to work with the disabled will require a higher salerr then those

> who just teach gen. ed. I urgh you to join (my guv...who does have

some

> good points despite his crude mouth, hehe) in asking the fed to increase

> funding to sped as was approved by congress 30 yrs ago. Contact your

> congress persons and ask others to do the same. Rochester must have at

least

> 8-10 different languages in the ESL classes, that's how many different

> notices of school closings are said on the radio. INterpetors in these

> languages are not esepecially cheap either. Things like that do cut into

> budgets. Many of the problems schools are facing are from being

underfunded

> in the area of sped for 30 yrs. Wonder why they've never put out a decent

> sped buget at any time over those years?

>

> Joy

>

>

>

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At the junior high I work in there are three 30 lunch periods. One for each

grade level (6, 7, 8). There are approximately 175 kids in each period with

two lunch monitors. I eat in the cafeteria with my students during the 8th

grade lunch--I am not a monitor and NEVER want to be--it can be an awful

job!

Jill

Re: They should be perfect!

> In a message dated 3/19/01 10:00:24 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> wildwards@... writes:

>

>

> > Maybe we should start a lunchroom poll .... how many kids here are in

> > lunchrooms with just the lunchroom monitor present?

>

> We have about 160 kids in the elementary lunch room at a time and there

are

> 3-4 monitors.

>

> nancy

>

>

>

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In a message dated 3/20/2001 4:11:31 AM Eastern Standard Time,

lisa@... writes:

> Man I wouldn't last too long there...I LOVE to talk..........

Hey, I got into more trouble there than my kids did! ;-) I volunteered in

the library, all the kids loved talking to me and when I saw them in the hall

they wanted to tell me what book they had read, etc. Because I stopped and

talked and said hi and answered them I was constantly in trouble from

teachers.

One time I was the only person sitting at my son's class in the lunchroom,

they were all up getting their lunches and milk. The lunch monitor came and

put a stick in our can. THe kids were FLABBERGASTED when they came back from

the lines, " Mrs. Ward, what did you do to get a stick already? " I raised my

hand and asked the lunch monitor in front of the kids why she had put a stick

in their can. " Because the whole lunchroom was noisey,everyone gets a

stick! " I argued with her, these kids were even in the lunchroom, the entire

class was in line were not making any noise.

" They get a stick " and she walked off. Do you wonder why kids resent

authority figures?

Cheryl in VA

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You missed the point, Granny. Who gives a flying fig whether any typical

kid blows bubbles in his/her milk? NO ONE. They pay absolutely no

attention to these little behaviors when it comes to typical kids. They

must constantly nitpick and find fault with kids with disabilities.

Behavior that is tolerated or overlooked in typical kids is NEVER overlooked

in kids with DS. It does get soooo old.

Elaine

They should be perfect!

>

>

> > Why is it that schools think that our kids should be perfect little

> > angles? I just found out from a friends daughter that at lunch

> > yesterday was blowing bubbles in his milk and his teacher

> > took his milk and threw it in the trash. I am so ticked off! The girl

> > who told my husband about this also said that she doesn't feel

> > they treat fairly. This is not the first time I have heard that

> > from another child. I would just like to know why it is that when our

> > kids do something it is treated like a federal crime but if another kid

> > does the same thing nobody blinks an eye...

> >

> > Thanks for listening.

> >

> > Tena - who would like to take the teachers milk and pour it over her

> > head! ;-)

> >

> >

> >

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You guys should have school like we do here.....everyone eats in the

playground and there are teachers that do " patrol " Well that's how it was at

our school anyway-everyone, including teachers had lunch and recess at the

same time.......maybe it is because our schools are smaller tho. We do have

a canteen....

Leis- mum to BJ 3 yrs

> I knew there was a reason I cut lunch and went to Mcd's..hehe

> And this is a school I'm gonna send Ted to? I hope not! Any one

> have a nice high school with a small population?

> Gail

>

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Man I wouldn't last too long there...I LOVE to talk..........

Leis- mum to BJ 3 yrs

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Re: They should be perfect!

> In a message dated 3/19/2001 8:02:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> gboughton@... writes:

>

>

> > wow... so much strictness and rules wow...We went K-6 and no eating at

> > school...we walked home everyday for lunch what grade was this in?

>

> This was my children's elementary school Gail ... not that long ago!!

;-)

> The lunchroom is very strict, kids have no free time in school today. No

> talking in the halls, no talking in PE, no talking standing in line and if

> you talk too much at lunch your class gets in trouble and all are

punished.

> How much more discipline can they take?

> Cheryl in VA

>

>

>

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In a message dated 03/20/2001 9:14:06 AM Eastern Standard Time,

bspyle@... writes:

<< > I disagree, Cheryl. The school lunch room should require the same good

> > manners as home or a restaurant. If it doesn't, then something is amiss.

> >

> > granny

> > ---

> > Great idea but probably not enforceable.

Given the staff/student ratio, probably not. Alas.

>>

I wonder how you would discipline those with " poor manners? " First, you

would have to have a list of rules ( who composes it, who approves it, how

long will it be, etc) Then you have to decide on punishments for infractions.

Then, do you only punish those who get caught or can other students tattle

tale on each other? Or will you hire someone to be the manners police or

just add that duty to the lunchroom monitors? Do we get video cameras and

review the tapes each day for lunchroom infractions? And who actually spends

time teaching the children the manners they are suppose to use ... hey maybe

we can extend the school day and have the teachers add a class of etiquette

and behavior at the end of the day since they are not in the lunchroom while

the kids are eating ..... oh I bet that will go over well!!

Cheryl in VA

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went to a rather large school. They staggered lunch times by

30-minute increments, though, between 11 and one. Made it a lot easier on

everyone. Each group had to eat their lunch and leave by the time their 30

minutes was up.

granny

---

" Beautiful that war and all its deeds of carnage must

in time be utterly lost. " -- Walt Whitman

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Re: They should be perfect!

> In a message dated 03/19/2001 11:41:10 AM Eastern Standard Time,

JTesmer799

> writes:

>

> << Joy waves her hand to say WHAT!! 500 kids in one lunch room??? >>

>

> Schools here have been overcrowded since I was in them!! My children

attend

> the same high school I did. When I was in we had 3,000 students in a

school

> built for 1,500. We had double shifts, country kids came in at 8:00 am

and

> left at 2:00, city kids came in at 10:00 and left at 4:00.... we were

still

> squished like sardines!!

> Now, with my kids, there are 2,300 kids in the high school ... and it is

one

> of the smaller ones in our city!

>

> Their elementary school held 780 kids when they were there ... so we may

not

> have had 500 kids at a time ... probably 400!! ;-)

>

> What kind of behavior programs did you guys have in your lunchrooms?

Every

> year we had a different one, colored cups, sticks in a can, but my

favorite

> was a big stoplight they mounted on the wall that turned yellow if the

noise

> level got too high and then buzzed loud enough to scare everyone when it

> turned red due to noise volumn. Red meant entire lunchroom went on

silence

> and then we had to wait until the elapsed time of silence before stoplight

> went back to green. AS SOON as it turned green, every kid started

yakkking

> and the damned process would start all over!!! Kids never got to talk!!

>

> Cheryl in VA

>

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In a message dated 3/19/2001 7:01:47 PM Central Standard Time,

gboughton@... writes:

> << Drivers ed was a class for a 1/2 credit and no

> fee. >>

> wow

> My son had to take it on his own time...no credit and

> pay $250!

> Gail

>

>

Well this was way back in then you know. I think they had to start to pay in

78 or 79. Some things were better back then. hehe.

joy

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Re: They should be perfect!

> In a message dated 3/19/01 6:14:41 AM Central Standard Time,

> bspyle@... writes:

>

>

> > I disagree, Cheryl. The school lunch room should require the same good

> > manners as home or a restaurant. If it doesn't, then something is amiss.

> >

> > granny

> > ---

> > Great idea but probably not enforceable.

Given the staff/student ratio, probably not. Alas.

granny

---

" Beautiful that war and all its deeds of carnage must

in time be utterly lost. " -- Walt Whitman

http://www.bspyle.com/granny.html

>

>

>

>

>

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In a message dated 3/19/2001 7:05:54 PM Central Standard Time,

gboughton@... writes:

> Any one

> have a nice high school with a small population?

> Gail

>

>

well mine is ok, and small (7-12 pop about 300)needs work on the lazy sped

teacher in the hs. (hey my kids insist that she's lazy, but it could be they

concider it lazy for a teacher to drop an answer key on the table in science

for her sped students to take a test rather then making sure they learn

something from the chapter) We aren't exactly sure where we will go then

after elem. There are 3 others in the county that I concider to be in the

right size range, which have better hs programs...or we could choose Roch.

but that's getting into the large schools instead of small one.

Joy

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If that's the case, then I'd yell bloody murder. Our kids should not be

expected to follow rules that do not apply to the nda kids.

granny

---

" Beautiful that war and all its deeds of carnage must

in time be utterly lost. " -- Walt Whitman

http://www.bspyle.com/granny.html

They should be perfect!

> >

> >

> > > Why is it that schools think that our kids should be perfect little

> > > angles? I just found out from a friends daughter that at lunch

> > > yesterday was blowing bubbles in his milk and his teacher

> > > took his milk and threw it in the trash. I am so ticked off! The girl

> > > who told my husband about this also said that she doesn't feel

> > > they treat fairly. This is not the first time I have heard that

> > > from another child. I would just like to know why it is that when our

> > > kids do something it is treated like a federal crime but if another

kid

> > > does the same thing nobody blinks an eye...

> > >

> > > Thanks for listening.

> > >

> > > Tena - who would like to take the teachers milk and pour it over her

> > > head! ;-)

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/19/2001 8:10:04 PM Central Standard Time,

thrill@... writes:

> I wish it were true that those of us who work with kids with disabilities

> get higher salaries than general education teachers, but it isn't!! At

>

INteresting. From the pay scales I saw from schools around here a few yrs

ago sped teachers were paid more. Oh well. Different places different pay

scales i guess.

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In a message dated 3/19/2001 8:44:23 PM Central Standard Time,

dsmom22@... writes:

> At the end

> of the period they are dismissed by tables, usually by who is sitting

> quietly and ready to go.

No recess?

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/19/01 8:05:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,

gboughton@... writes:

> Any one

>

Is about 500 grades 6-12 a small population?

nancy

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/19/01 8:08:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,

gboughton@... writes:

> ? I hope not! Any one

>

I sent the email with our 6-12 numbers then recalled that my graduating class

of 540 was larger than grades 6-12 in the school my kids go to. ;-)

nancy

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In a message dated 3/20/01 1:08:43 AM Central Standard Time,

Green3@... writes:

> And one more thing....I love to blow bubbles in my milk !! )) especially

> if

> it is chocolate. Been trying for years to make up for all the fun I missed

> out on when I was a kid!! LOL LOL

>

> Green

> Mom to 18/ds

>

Could you ever blow bubbles with bubble gum? I never could learn to

do that. I will show my age even more than Granny. When I was in school we

didn't have lunch rooms. We brought our own and ate whereever. One country

school where I went to 7th and 8th grade we did have a " kitchen " where we

ate, teachers at a separate table. We were allowed to bring a jar of cocoa

or soup or something, for our " hot lunch " and 2 older kids would volunteer,

never any problem to get volunteers, to go down before lunch and put the jars

into big pots of hot water to warm them. Then they would stay after lunch

and wash up. This could take a long time for some reason.

Jessie

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In a message dated 3/20/2001 6:20:51 PM Eastern Standard Time,

JB66111@... writes:

> One country

> school where I went to 7th and 8th grade we did have a " kitchen " where we

> ate, teachers at a separate table.

Hey, one of my schools had no kitchen or cafeteria, we had to eat in class

if we didn't walk home for lunch. Now, anybody else here get their school

milk in little glass bottles? ;-)

Cheryl in VA

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Just something funny in view of this thread..... Stefanie is working on a

project for one of her classes and in her web searches tonight she went to

the Oneida site. Pictured there is a young boy with a spoon poised to launch

a pea! ;-)

Cheryl in VA

[Guest guest]

Good bubble blower here, Jessie!