Re: Lyme disease with co-infections

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MMS doest have a "brain"It doesnt seek out one infection over another. It will work on them all simutaneously. The problem you run into with lyme is that the Lyme germs as they die release very toxic stuff into your body and that makes a Lyme sufferer feel ill. Therefore with lyme the treatment must be slow .So treatment for the co infections will also go slow. IN NClisastoken <Marie22@...> wrote: Hi guys I need

imput here. I know that mms will eradicate lyme over time, what I would like to know is, if you have coinfections with the lyme will the co infections go right away? if they do doent it make sence that you would feel better and beable to be stonger to heal from the lyme. the reason i ask is because the tipical treatment time for lyme is 2-4 years but the book 2 says 1 year. S Wilkins

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thank you for that, now that i think about it that makes perfect

sence. i was hoping after reading the book and seeing the lack of

suffering that took place with other patients of various terrible

diseases, that the toxic load would be somehow magically nutralized

by the mms. i will also be sure to go extreemly slow.

lisaS

> Hi guys I need imput here. I know that mms will eradicate

lyme over

> time, what I would like to know is, if you have coinfections with

the

> lyme will the co infections go right away? if they do doent it make

> sence that you would feel better and beable to be stonger to heal

from

> the lyme.

>

> the reason i ask is because the tipical treatment time for lyme is

2-4

> years but the book 2 says 1 year.

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> S

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Thank you .

I had overlooked the point that MMS has no particular target in our bodies.

But may I point out that we are able to promote an intent to guide our immune system. I've known that for long time but had not brought this back into my consciousness since I began having my MMS.

Of course we can, as well, help our immune system tremendously by having raw fresh vegetables and fruits, etc. regularly.

Thanks for the reminder.

Phil

Wilkins reminded us "MMS doesnt have a "brain" It doesnt seek out one infection over another. It will work on them all simutaneously.

[Guest guest]

While MMS has no brain and is indescriminate about what pathogens it

attacks, my experience is telling me that this our bodies and the

pathogens are a complex system and we can't know exactly how

everything works together with so many variables.

Say you have 10 million of pathogen A in your system and 100 million

of pathogen B. Now when the AMMS kills all of A that leaves 90% of B

left. And maybe A was helping keep B in check too. So what happens?

See what I mean? It is just not linear.

I just know that it seems like this stuff works in layers. I get

different feelings almost every day. Still I am continuing because it

is beneficial so far.

Best wishes to all you pioneers,

Jill

[Guest guest]

Hi Jill I also wonder if it gets rid of the toxins. Toxins are dead but cause all kinds of problems. With Lyme patients it occurs after killing off a bacteria and with mold it's the mycotoxins. If you are a certain genotype according to Dr. Shoemaker you can't excrete toxins. Does MMS take care of these? It's so complex.

Regards,

Sharon

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I wouldn't particularly count on it removing the toxins. I believe the 'job' of MMS is to kill pathogens, not remove the toxins that follow the death of the pathogens. I would certainly also have a protocol in place to help the body get rid of toxins, like drinking lots of good water, salt baths, etc. The body goes through the nausea and diarrhea after a strong dose of AMMS because the MMS is killing off more pathogens (and there-by creating more toxins) than the body can handle in the normal mode. Jim always says the illness is not from the MMS itself, but from the toxins the body is trying to get rid of--he says nothing, I think, of the MMS getting rid of toxins (would have to go over the book again just to make sure). So--in my opinion--it would be best to support the body's detoxing as much as possible and not count on the MMS to get rid of any toxins.

Samala,

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Hi Jill I also wonder if it gets rid of the toxins. Toxins are dead but cause all kinds of problems. With Lyme patients it occurs after killing off a bacteria and with mold it's the mycotoxins. If you are a certain genotype according to Dr. Shoemaker you can't excrete toxins. Does MMS take care of these? It's so complex.

[Guest guest]

You know I am under the care of an MD who is also a naturopath so I am taking toxin binding supplements but after taking the MMS my diarrhea is a lot worse. I'm on my fifth day of taking 15 drops twice a day and I have had to start and stop several times. I want so much to get through the two weeks on the full dose but I'm not sure if I will make it.

Sharon

Re: [ ] Re: Lyme disease with co-infections

I wouldn't particularly count on it removing the toxins. I believe the 'job' of MMS is to kill pathogens, not remove the toxins that follow the death of the pathogens. I would certainly also have a protocol in place to help the body get rid of toxins, like drinking lots of good water, salt baths, etc. The body goes through the nausea and diarrhea after a strong dose of AMMS because the MMS is killing off more pathogens (and there-by creating more toxins) than the body can handle in the normal mode. Jim always says the illness is not from the MMS itself, but from the toxins the body is trying to get rid of--he says nothing, I think, of the MMS getting rid of toxins (would have to go over the book again just to make sure). So--in my opinion--it would be best to support the body's detoxing as much as possible and not count on the MMS to get rid of any toxins.

Samala,

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Hi Jill I also wonder if it gets rid of the toxins. Toxins are dead but cause all kinds of problems. With Lyme patients it occurs after killing off a bacteria and with mold it's the mycotoxins. If you are a certain genotype according to Dr. Shoemaker you can't excrete toxins. Does MMS take care of these? It's so complex.

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Hi

You said " Jim always says the illness is not from the MMS itself,

but from the toxins the body is trying to get rid of--he says nothing,

I think, of the MMS getting rid of toxins (would have to go over the

book again just to make sure). So--in my opinion--it would be best to

support the body's detoxing as much as possible and not count on the

MMS to get rid of any toxins " .

He doe's refer to toxin removal in the taped interviews on the Link I

posted last night. He definitely refers to the toxin removal regarding

malaria patients, As well as heavy metals. Just thought I would let

you know, Thank you, Bob.

>

> You know I am under the care of an MD who is also a naturopath so I

am taking toxin binding supplements but after taking the MMS my

> diarrhea is a lot worse. I'm on my fifth day of taking 15 drops

twice a day and I have had to start and stop several times. I want so

much to get through the two weeks on the full dose but I'm not sure if

I will make it.

>

> Sharon

>

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> Re: [ ] Re: Lyme disease with

co-infections

>

> I wouldn't particularly count on it removing the toxins. I believe

the 'job' of MMS is to kill pathogens, not remove the toxins that

follow the death of the pathogens. I would certainly also have a

protocol in place to help the body get rid of toxins, like drinking

lots of good water, salt baths, etc. The body goes through the nausea

and diarrhea after a strong dose of AMMS because the MMS is killing

off more pathogens (and there-by creating more toxins) than the body

can handle in the normal mode. Jim always says the illness is not

from the MMS itself, but from the toxins the body is trying to get rid

of--he says nothing, I think, of the MMS getting rid of toxins (would

have to go over the book again just to make sure). So--in my

opinion--it would be best to support the body's detoxing as much as

possible and not count on the MMS to get rid of any toxins.

>

> Samala,

>

>

> -------Original Message----- --

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> Hi Jill I also wonder if it gets rid of the toxins. Toxins are dead

but cause all kinds of problems. With Lyme patients it occurs after

killing off a bacteria and with mold it's the mycotoxins. If you are

a certain genotype according to Dr. Shoemaker you can't excrete

toxins. Does MMS take care of these? It's so complex.

>

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Bob. I have not listened to the interview yet--just haven't had time, because I want to really pay attention and take notes. It's good to know he thinks now that it does remove toxins! And heavy metals. I know on the other group people were thinking that it may just stir up heavy metals, and then they'd be free in the body, causing harm. There's still so much to learn about this stuff--and basically it's up to us to continue reporting our results. There's no lab, and most of Jim's work, it seems, reflect what happens in Africa. Which doesn't always relate to here, as we have many more toxins to deal with than they do.

Samala,

-------Original Message-------

He doe's refer to toxin removal in the taped interviews on the Link I

posted last night. He definitely refers to the toxin removal regarding

malaria patients, As well as heavy metals. Just thought I would let

you know, Thank you, Bob.

[Guest guest]

Hi Phill, what do you mean when you sais that " we are able to promote

an intent ot guide our immune system "

S

> Thank you .

>

> I had overlooked the point that MMS has no particular target in our

bodies.

>

> But may I point out that we are able to promote an intent to guide

our immune system. I've known that for long time but had not brought

this back into my consciousness since I began having my MMS.

>

> Of course we can, as well, help our immune system tremendously by

having raw fresh vegetables and fruits, etc. regularly.

>

> Thanks for the reminder.

>

> Phil

>

> Wilkins reminded us " MMS doesnt have a " brain " It doesnt seek

out one infection over another. It will work on them all

simutaneously.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

This conversation is all very interesting to me regarding

getting " stuff " out of the body vs moving it around. I was reading

some other information out there on the web (think it was on

curezone) that people are talking about using humvic acid with the

MMS. You may want to do some looking.

One thing that I have been using with the MMS is a zeolite product

that is defined as being a cage that captures toxins in this cage and

makes them no longer harmful and takes them out of the body. I have

been taking this in the AM after I take the AMMS right before bed.

I hope this is helpful.

Roe

>

> Thanks Bob. I have not listened to the interview yet--just haven't

had time

> because I want to really pay attention and take notes. It's good

to know

> he thinks now that it does remove toxins! And heavy metals. I

know on the

> other group people were thinking that it may just stir up heavy

metals, and

> then they'd be free in the body, causing harm. There's still so

much to

> learn about this stuff--and basically it's up to us to continue

reporting

> our results. There's no lab, and most of Jim's work, it seems,

reflect what

> happens in Africa. Which doesn't always relate to here, as we have

many

> more toxins to deal with than they do.

>

> Samala,

>

>

> -------Original Message-------

>

> He doe's refer to toxin removal in the taped interviews on the Link

I

> posted last night. He definitely refers to the toxin removal

regarding

> malaria patients, As well as heavy metals. Just thought I would let

> you know, Thank you, Bob.

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Roe.

Yes, I would still not rely totally on MMS to remove the toxins. It just makes sense to me to help the body in any way possible while it is stressed from illness and trying to heal itself. It's a whole 'nother thing when you are well and just taking the MMS as a preventative. But if I were sick, I'd be doing a whole detox protocol right along with the MMS. Even drinking lots of good water every day will help the body move them out, but there are many other methods--some simple and some complex.

Samala,

-------Original Message-------

One thing that I have been using with the MMS is a zeolite product

that is defined as being a cage that captures toxins in this cage and

makes them no longer harmful and takes them out of the body. I have

been taking this in the AM after I take the AMMS right before bed.

[Guest guest]

Go slowly. MMS works, whether you do it fast (the hard way) or slow (the easy way). I know everyone wants to be healthy NOW, but give your body as much help as necessary and don't stress it any more than necessary. Slow and steady improvements are the best. Don't rush it. You could overload your body's ability to get rid of the toxins and then you'll just have a set back of health.

The full dose, 2 week protocol that "proves" you have killed all the toxins is when you can take the full dose and NOT have any diarrhea or nausea. So if you are having major diarrhea at the 15 drops twice a day, even if you bull through the full 2 weeks this way, you will not have killed everything off. The MMS has no such effects if there's nothing there for it to kill.

Samala,

-------Original Message-------

You know I am under the care of an MD who is also a naturopath so I am taking toxin binding supplements but after taking the MMS my

diarrhea is a lot worse. I'm on my fifth day of taking 15 drops twice a day and I have had to start and stop several times. I want so much to get through the two weeks on the full dose but I'm not sure if I will make it.

[Guest guest]

Roe,

the other day when i was talking with my alternative nutritionist,

she sugjested zoelite as a toxin binder also. i have been using it

for two weeks now. I feel it is helping reduce the lenght of my herx

reactions but truely only time will tell. I will keep you posted.

S

> >

> > Thanks Bob. I have not listened to the interview yet--just

haven't

> had time

> > because I want to really pay attention and take notes. It's

good

> to know

> > he thinks now that it does remove toxins! And heavy metals. I

> know on the

> > other group people were thinking that it may just stir up heavy

> metals, and

> > then they'd be free in the body, causing harm. There's still so

> much to

> > learn about this stuff--and basically it's up to us to continue

> reporting

> > our results. There's no lab, and most of Jim's work, it seems,

> reflect what

> > happens in Africa. Which doesn't always relate to here, as we

have

> many

> > more toxins to deal with than they do.

> >

> > Samala,

> >

> >

> > -------Original Message-------

> >

> > He doe's refer to toxin removal in the taped interviews on the

Link

> I

> > posted last night. He definitely refers to the toxin removal

> regarding

> > malaria patients, As well as heavy metals. Just thought I would

let

> > you know, Thank you, Bob.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi S

I hope this that follows gives you a sufficient description.

I'm 77 and for 20 years or so I have felt that God is a " distributed "

" entity " present perhaps in all, but certainly in many species of living

creatures. And that He supports our spirits and the body we're using to

experience this life. I feel we (He and I) are one, and that just as I can

talk to Him, I can also talk to my body.

I once acquired a virus that is ready to become active again quite readily,

especially so when my immune system (IS) function was not being well

supported. Managing the virus gave me many opportunities to learn how to

deal with it. When that virus has another go at me my first move was to talk

to my immune system, asking it to quickly deal with the virus. This seems to

hasten the system's response. Doing this " asking " with one's attention

clearly focussed within is very helpful.

At the same time, or when able to, providing the nutrients that the immune

system requires for the IS to be fully supported is of course most helpful.

The nutrients used generally to support the stressed immune systems of

gravely ill people are raw and fresh vegetable and fruits. Juicing them

(greens) to extract the solubles (that in plants provides everything the

plant requires) and drinking them while they still have their vital

energies - with a gram of vitamin C - seems to meet the IS needs. I used

this drink (well diluted and without any other food) first in the 1970's to

deal with influenza etc: The next morning (after a good night's sleep) the

viral attack of the day/night before was " no more " . I have never tried to

improve this drink.

Phil

lisastoken <Marie22@...> wrote

" Hi Phil, what do you mean when you said that " we are able to promote an

intent to guide our immune system "

S

[Guest guest]

A friend of mine with Lyme has been taking MMS and doing the True

Rife Effectrolysis programs for lyme. Her initial test results were

the second highest level of Lyme that the Lab had seen. Her new test

results are in the " normal " parameters.

Just thought I would share a bit of good news with the group. Here's

hoping to her and everyone else's full recovery.

[Guest guest]

that is great. can you explain what is True Rife Effectrolysis progams.

S

>

> A friend of mine with Lyme has been taking MMS and doing the True

> Rife Effectrolysis programs for lyme. Her initial test results were

> the second highest level of Lyme that the Lab had seen. Her new test

> results are in the " normal " parameters.

>

> Just thought I would share a bit of good news with the group. Here's

> hoping to her and everyone else's full recovery.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Re: [ ] Lyme disease with co-infections

MMS doest have a "brain"It doesnt seek out one infection over another. It will work on them all simutaneously. The problem you run into with lyme is that the Lyme germs as they die release very toxic stuff into your body and that makes a Lyme sufferer feel ill. Therefore with lyme the treatment must be slow .So treatment for the co infections will also go slow.

IN NClisastoken <Marie22outdrs (DOT) net> wrote:

Hi guys I need imput here. I know that mms will eradicate lyme over time, what I would like to know is, if you have coinfections with the lyme will the co infections go right away? if they do doent it make sence that you would feel better and beable to be stonger to heal from the lyme. the reason i ask is because the tipical treatment time for lyme is 2-4 years but the book 2 says 1 year. S

Wilkins

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[Guest guest]

Sharon,

Like you, I would have started with the top amount recommended. But

because of reading some people's reactions, I've started slow. Jim

recommends starting slow. Why stress your body this way, by putting

it through so much detox it sounds like it's not ready for?

IMHO, go down to one drop, then two, etc. Work your way up.

Angel

PS I'm sorry I didn't trim this post but I'm on a new email system

and ... yikes ... can't figure some things out.

>

> You know I am under the care of an MD who is also a naturopath so I

am taking toxin binding supplements but after taking the MMS my

> diarrhea is a lot worse. I'm on my fifth day of taking 15 drops

twice a day and I have had to start and stop several times. I want

so much to get through the two weeks on the full dose but I'm not

sure if I will make it.

>

> Sharon

>

>

> Re: [ ] Re: Lyme disease with co-

infections

>

> I wouldn't particularly count on it removing the toxins. I believe

the 'job' of MMS is to kill pathogens, not remove the toxins that

follow the death of the pathogens. I would certainly also have a

protocol in place to help the body get rid of toxins, like drinking

lots of good water, salt baths, etc. The body goes through the

nausea and diarrhea after a strong dose of AMMS because the MMS is

killing off more pathogens (and there-by creating more toxins) than

the body can handle in the normal mode. Jim always says the illness

is not from the MMS itself, but from the toxins the body is trying to

get rid of--he says nothing, I think, of the MMS getting rid of

toxins (would have to go over the book again just to make sure). So--

in my opinion--it would be best to support the body's detoxing as

much as possible and not count on the MMS to get rid of any toxins.

>

> Samala,

>

>

> -------Original Message----- --

>

> Hi Jill I also wonder if it gets rid of the toxins. Toxins are

dead but cause all kinds of problems. With Lyme patients it occurs

after killing off a bacteria and with mold it's the mycotoxins. If

you are a certain genotype according to Dr. Shoemaker you can't

excrete toxins. Does MMS take care of these? It's so complex.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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