Re:a word of warning

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I would like to warn everyone about the effects of MMS from my experience. Once you have the diarrhea, and probably before, the MMS is not selective in killing pathogens. It seems to kill both the good and the bad. I have had a scalp thing on/off for years. Before I started the MMS is was much better. No itching or hair loss. After starting the MMS my scalp began to get gradually worse. Then a stomach bug went round the house that caused a lot of purging. The diarrhea still has not stopped. I went to a dermatologist for my head that is not non-stop itching and hair falling out. I have a fungal thing. I believe the MMS removed all the good bacteria and allowed the fungus to flourish. Also, I developed a bad case of thrush that has not been responding to the probiotics while on the MMS. Since stopping it has gotten better. If you have diarrhea from it I would suggest you stop for a while and replenish your system with lots of probiotics! Even if you haven't gotten the runs, use a lot of probiotics so this doesn't happen to you.

Just a word of warning to all you so you can take precautionary measures.

-- Re: [ ] Re: Lyme disease with co-infections

You know I am under the care of an MD who is also a naturopath so I am taking toxin binding supplements but after taking the MMS my diarrhea is a lot worse. I'm on my fifth day of taking 15 drops twice a day and I have had to start and stop several times. I want so much to get through the two weeks on the full dose but I'm not sure if I will make it.

Sharon

Re: [ ] Re: Lyme disease with co-infections

I wouldn't particularly count on it removing the toxins. I believe the 'job' of MMS is to kill pathogens, not remove the toxins that follow the death of the pathogens. I would certainly also have a protocol in place to help the body get rid of toxins, like drinking lots of good water, salt baths, etc. The body goes through the nausea and diarrhea after a strong dose of AMMS because the MMS is killing off more pathogens (and there-by creating more toxins) than the body can handle in the normal mode. Jim always says the illness is not from the MMS itself, but from the toxins the body is trying to get rid of--he says nothing, I think, of the MMS getting rid of toxins (would have to go over the book again just to make sure). So--in my opinion--it would be best to support the body's detoxing as much as possible and not count on the MMS to get rid of any toxins.

Samala,

-------Original Message----- --

Hi Jill I also wonder if it gets rid of the toxins. Toxins are dead but cause all kinds of problems. With Lyme patients it occurs after killing off a bacteria and with mold it's the mycotoxins. If you are a certain genotype according to Dr. Shoemaker you can't excrete toxins. Does MMS take care of these? It's so complex.

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Thanks . I may stop for a few days. I'm not having the same affects as you but I also have a fungus thing going on. Jim does say that it does not remove the good stuff but I wonder that as well. I also take probiotics in the morning and it seems that all I have is the diarrhea. My sister only took one dose and hers lasted for weeks. It's too bad that we can't get good studies on this but our health care system is so messed up. It's not Jim Humble's fault at all. He's a hero!

Sharon

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Yes, it is great that he has helped get to so many who need help. But remember even he doesn't know everything about it. We are the guinea pigs and we need to go slow and listen to our bodies. AND take lots of probiotics!

-- Re: [ ] Re:a word of warning

Thanks . I may stop for a few days. I'm not having the same affects as you but I also have a fungus thing going on. Jim does say that it does not remove the good stuff but I wonder that as well. I also take probiotics in the morning and it seems that all I have is the diarrhea. My sister only took one dose and hers lasted for weeks. It's too bad that we can't get good studies on this but our health care system is so messed up. It's not Jim Humble's fault at all. He's a hero!

Sharon

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Re: [ ] Re:a word of warning

Thanks . I may stop for a few days. I'm not having the same affects as you but I also have a fungus thing going on. Jim does say that it does not remove the good stuff but I wonder that as well. I also take probiotics in the morning and it seems that all I have is the diarrhea. My sister only took one dose and hers lasted for weeks. It's too bad that we can't get good studies on this but our health care system is so messed up. It's not Jim Humble's fault at all. He's a hero!

Sharon

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Hi guys,

I was just listening to the CD of an interveiw with Jim H. and he did

mention that as long as a person is following the protocol they

should not experience sickness. If they get sick they are taking to

much. He said that you need to be patient and keep yourself just

below the nausea point. He also said that the MMS seems to be an

excellant heavy metal chelator also. He said that if a person has

longterm Lyme disease and some types of cancer they should take two

differant products along with the MMS 1) Indian Herb and 2)

Paradopphillus.

S

>

> I would like to warn everyone about the effects of MMS from my

experience.

> Once you have the diarrhea, and probably before, the MMS is not

selective in

> killing pathogens. It seems to kill both the good and the bad. I

have had

> a scalp thing on/off for years. Before I started the MMS is was

much better

> No itching or hair loss. After starting the MMS my scalp began

to get

> gradually worse. Then a stomach bug went round the house that

caused a lot

> of purging. The diarrhea still has not stopped. I went to a

dermatologist

> for my head that is not non-stop itching and hair falling out. I

have a

> fungal thing. I believe the MMS removed all the good bacteria and

allowed

> the fungus to flourish. Also, I developed a bad case of thrush

that has not

> been responding to the probiotics while on the MMS. Since stopping

it has

> gotten better. If you have diarrhea from it I would suggest you

stop for a

> while and replenish your system with lots of probiotics! Even if

you haven

> t gotten the runs, use a lot of probiotics so this doesn't happen

to you.

>

> Just a word of warning to all you so you can take precautionary

measures.

>

>

>

> -- Re: [ ] Re: Lyme disease with

> co-infections

>

> You know I am under the care of an MD who is also a naturopath so I

am

> taking toxin binding supplements but after taking the MMS my

> diarrhea is a lot worse. I'm on my fifth day of taking 15 drops

twice a day

> and I have had to start and stop several times. I want so much to

get

> through the two weeks on the full dose but I'm not sure if I will

make it.

>

> Sharon

>

>

> Re: [ ] Re: Lyme disease with

> co-infections

>

>

> I wouldn't particularly count on it removing the toxins. I believe

the 'job

> of MMS is to kill pathogens, not remove the toxins that follow the

death of

> the pathogens. I would certainly also have a protocol in place to

help the

> body get rid of toxins, like drinking lots of good water, salt

baths, etc.

> The body goes through the nausea and diarrhea after a strong dose

of AMMS

> because the MMS is killing off more pathogens (and there-by

creating more

> toxins) than the body can handle in the normal mode. Jim always

says the

> illness is not from the MMS itself, but from the toxins the body is

trying

> to get rid of--he says nothing, I think, of the MMS getting rid of

toxins

> (would have to go over the book again just to make sure). So--in my

> opinion--it would be best to support the body's detoxing as much as

possible

> and not count on the MMS to get rid of any toxins.

>

> Samala,

>

>

> -------Original Message----- --

>

> Hi Jill I also wonder if it gets rid of the toxins. Toxins are

dead but

> cause all kinds of problems. With Lyme patients it occurs after

killing off

> a bacteria and with mold it's the mycotoxins. If you are a certain

genotype

> according to Dr. Shoemaker you can't excrete toxins. Does MMS take

care of

> these? It's so complex.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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>

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I would also like to say that an MD who is also a Naturopath and is treating me for a biotoxin disease recommended this product so I'm thinking she knows what she is doing. I have a fungal infection from a medical procedure I had five years ago. I do get the diarrhea but I don't have the other symptoms of nausea. I still think I will skip tonight's dose and go down a few drops just to be conservative.

Sharon

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It is probably a good idea to take some form of probiotic several hours after takin MMS. IN NCsusan <ssiegel5@...> wrote: I would like to warn everyone about the effects of MMS from my experience. Once you have

the diarrhea, and probably before, the MMS is not selective in killing pathogens. It seems to kill both the good and the bad. I have had a scalp thing on/off for years. Before I started the MMS is was much better. No itching or hair loss. After starting the MMS my scalp began to get gradually worse. Then a stomach bug went round the house that caused a lot of purging. The diarrhea still has not stopped. I went to a dermatologist for my head that is not non-stop itching and hair falling out. I have a fungal thing. I believe the MMS removed all the good bacteria and allowed the fungus to flourish. Also, I developed a bad case of thrush that has not been responding to the probiotics while on the MMS. Since stopping it has gotten better. If you have diarrhea from it I would suggest you stop for a while and replenish your system with lots of probiotics! Even if

you haven't gotten the runs, use a lot of probiotics so this doesn't happen to you. Just a word of warning to all you so you can take precautionary measures. -- Re: [ ] Re: Lyme disease with co-infections You know I am under the care of an MD who is also a naturopath so I am taking toxin binding supplements but after taking the MMS my diarrhea is a lot worse. I'm on my fifth day of taking 15 drops twice a day and I have had to start and stop several times. I want so much to get through the two weeks on the full dose but I'm not sure if I will make it. Sharon Re: [ ] Re: Lyme disease with co-infections I wouldn't particularly count on it removing the toxins. I believe the 'job' of MMS is to kill pathogens, not remove the toxins that follow the death of the pathogens. I would certainly also have a protocol in place to help the body get rid of toxins, like drinking lots of good water, salt baths, etc. The body goes through the nausea and diarrhea after a strong dose of AMMS because the MMS is killing off more pathogens (and there-by creating more toxins) than the body can handle in the normal mode. Jim always says the illness is not from the MMS itself, but from the toxins the body is trying to get rid of--he says nothing, I think, of the MMS getting rid of toxins (would have to go over the book

again just to make sure). So--in my opinion--it would be best to support the body's detoxing as much as possible and not count on the MMS to get rid of any toxins. Samala, -------Original Message----- -- Hi Jill I also wonder if it gets rid of the toxins. Toxins are dead but cause all kinds of problems. With Lyme patients it occurs after killing off a bacteria and with mold it's the mycotoxins. If you are a certain genotype according to Dr. Shoemaker you can't excrete toxins. Does MMS take care of these? It's so complex. Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Wilkins

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Speaking of PH, you can add equal amounts of ACV vinegar and baking

soda, and it will raise your PH. You can also use ACV with equal

amounts of honey, and it will do the same.

We started an alkalizing loop as a spin off from the H2O2 group from

all of the discussions.

I can look up the source for inexpensive PH strips if anyone is

intereted. I searched for a long time to find the best prices for it.

Now, has anyone used baking soda or honey also with ACV while doing

MMS... and tracked their PH. I am wondering what the effects were with

your normal PH level, if anyone has and cares to share.

In Christ,

Ava

>

> The bad guys have a low pH. The good guys have a high pH. MMS as

Sodium

> Chlorite has a very high pH and is happy that way. When you activate

it

> with acid, you drop the pH from 13 to about 4.

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Hi Sharon,

As strange as this may sound,I'm going to post it anyway, because

it's true and it may help someone else.

The very first time I went to my chiropractor was because I had

diarrhea sooo bad and nothing I took( I was still doing over the

counter drugstore medicine back then--about 15 years ago) did any

good.

Needless to say,from all that forceful purging I had several

vertebrae out of alignment and a chiropractic adjustment did the

trick.

I have also found out since then that sometimes my illeocecal valve

gets " stuck " during a bout of diarrhea and that's why the diarrhea

won't stop. I've had that happen while taking MMS. I can usually tell

because I get a weird little pain very low on the right side of my

abdomen. Again, my chiropractor fixes this.

Regards,

Dawn

>

> Thanks . I may stop for a few days. I'm not having the same

affects as you but I also have a fungus thing going on. Jim does say

that it does not remove the good stuff but I wonder that as well. I

also take probiotics in the morning and it seems that all I have is

the diarrhea. My sister only took one dose and hers lasted for

weeks. It's too bad that we can't get good studies on this but our

health care system is so messed up. It's not Jim Humble's fault at

all. He's a hero!

>

> Sharon

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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,

Your story is pretty scary. Here we are believing that MMS

kills " whatever " , fungus, bacteria, etc -- and you've developed

fungal infections while on it. I believe I read that Jim says it

doesn't kill " the good stuff " but your experience seems to refute

that.

How much were you taking, how long, etc?

Thanks for telling your story. I'm sorry it's not a happier one.

Angel

> susan <ssiegel5@...> wrote:

> I would like to warn everyone about the effects

of MMS from my experience. Once you have the diarrhea, and probably

before, the MMS is not selective in killing pathogens. It seems to

kill both the good and the bad. I have had a scalp thing on/off for

years. Before I started the MMS is was much better. No itching or

hair loss. After starting the MMS my scalp began to get gradually

worse. Then a stomach bug went round the house that caused a lot of

purging. The diarrhea still has not stopped. I went to a

dermatologist for my head that is not non-stop itching and hair

falling out. I have a fungal thing. I believe the MMS removed all

the good bacteria and allowed the fungus to flourish. Also, I

developed a bad case of thrush that has not been responding to the

probiotics while on the MMS. Since stopping it has gotten better.

If you have diarrhea from it I would suggest you stop for a while and

replenish your system with lots of probiotics!

> Even if you haven't gotten the runs, use a lot of probiotics so

this doesn't happen to you.

>

> Just a word of warning to all you so you can take precautionary

measures.

>

>

>

> -- Re: [ ] Re: Lyme disease with

co-infections

>

>

> You know I am under the care of an MD who is also a naturopath

so I am taking toxin binding supplements but after taking the MMS

my diarrhea is a lot worse. I'm on my fifth day of taking 15 drops

twice a day and I have had to start and stop several times. I want

so much to get through the two weeks on the full dose but I'm not

sure if I will make it.

>

> Sharon

>

>

> Re: [ ] Re: Lyme disease with co-

infections

>

> I wouldn't particularly count on it removing the

toxins. I believe the 'job' of MMS is to kill pathogens, not remove

the toxins that follow the death of the pathogens. I would certainly

also have a protocol in place to help the body get rid of toxins,

like drinking lots of good water, salt baths, etc. The body goes

through the nausea and diarrhea after a strong dose of AMMS because

the MMS is killing off more pathogens (and there-by creating more

toxins) than the body can handle in the normal mode. Jim always says

the illness is not from the MMS itself, but from the toxins the body

is trying to get rid of--he says nothing, I think, of the MMS getting

rid of toxins (would have to go over the book again just to make

sure). So--in my opinion--it would be best to support the body's

detoxing as much as possible and not count on the MMS to get rid of

any toxins.

>

> Samala,

>

>

> -------Original Message----- --

>

> Hi Jill I also wonder if it gets rid of the toxins. Toxins are

dead but cause all kinds of problems. With Lyme patients it occurs

after killing off a bacteria and with mold it's the mycotoxins. If

you are a certain genotype according to Dr. Shoemaker you can't

excrete toxins. Does MMS take care of these? It's so complex.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Kathy,

Great post and much relieves my mind! Thank you!

Two things to be noted:

~Jim says that using vinegar as an activator increases candida and I

would assume all fungus. , what were you using as an activator?

~Jim recommends paradophilous, which is a very intense solution of

the by-products of pro-biotics, not the probiotics themselves. He

says some people say it causes the MMS to go deeper.

I started paradophilous about 10 days before I started MMS. It

definitely causes a die-off reaction. I started MMS about 4 days ago.

I don't have much to report right now ... am up to 3 drops MMS and

constantly if slowly increasing paradophilous.

I learn so much from the postings, and want to thank everyone for

sharing information and most especially for keeping to topic. Also a

special thanks to daddybob, without whose warnings of " hellfire and

brimstone " for those inpetuous ones among us (and I do count myself

in that club) who want to jump in with three feet, as it were.

Good luck and blessings to all!

Angel

>

> ,

>

> I'm sorry for your experience. I do sympathize, as I went through

> something very similar.

>

> However,

> You did not really give enough information here to make the

conclusion

> that MMS is not selective. Based on what?

>

> Jim Humble has studied it for over 10 years and it is the ONLY

thing out

> there that is selective! It's been used for 50 years in water

> purification systems throughout Europe. The fact that it is

selective

> has, according to Jim, been known for 50 years. It sounds like you

have

> not read the book. The book explains why it only attacks the bad

guys.

> I'll summarize, but please read the book!

>

> The bad guys have a low pH. The good guys have a high pH. MMS as

Sodium

> Chlorite has a very high pH and is happy that way. When you

activate it

> with acid, you drop the pH from 13 to about 4. This agitates it,

causes

> it to change it's molecular structure and become a highly unstable

> Chlorine Dioxide. When ingested, the red blood cells recognize it

as a

> form of oxygen and carry it through the blood stream to the cells.

If it

> encounters another low pH cell, it is like an addict looking for a

drug.

> It attacks the low pH cell and steals 4-5 of its electrons in an

effort

> to complete itself. In the process the diseased cell is oxidized

and the

> chlorine dioxide is too. They both explode and die and are carried

away

> by the body and eliminated through the bowels.

>

> Further, if a person is healthy and has no pathogens, the MMS does

not

> affect them at all. They can take the highest dose and never get

> diarrhea. It just passes through them, but in the process of not

being

> needed, the Chlorine dioxide is taken and converted to hypochlorous

> acid, which the body uses to fight disease. This acid is deficient

in a

> sick body, which is why the yeast, bacteria and funguses can grow

where

> normally they would be controlled. This deficiency of hypochlorous

acid

> is called by the medical profession a myeloperoxidase deficiency.

>

> My personal experience:

> I overdosed on MMS the day I got it, I was so excited I took 18

drops,

> and the next morning I took 27. The diarrhea hit in the afternoon.

> It lasted all day and the next morning still a little. I stopped

taking

> MMS for a day. Tried to take it again, couldn't get past the gut

ache,

> so I waited until the gut ache from the diarrhea went away. Then I

> started over, and I was smart this time, instead of a Smart ass.

> <grinning sheepishly>

>

> I took 4 drops, the next day 6, the next day 7, the next day back

to 6.

> Now I'm taking 12 drops twice a day, and no side effects, no

diarrhea,

> my poops are the best they have been in years.

> I'm slowly upping the dose. I'm doing fine. I'm listening to my

body.

> I'm moving to three times a day. My brother is doing 10 drops 3

times a

> day, and is doing fine. He has COPD from tobacco smoking.

>

> I didn't mention the yeast infection I got from the diarrhea, or the

> hemorrhoids, did I? Not MMS's fault, my fault for being delirious

enough

> to think that a dose like that would cure my Hepatitis C. Maybe it

has,

> I haven't been tested yet. I'm not herxing at all on the dosages I

am

> now taking. When I get to 15 drops 3 times a day for a week, then I

will

> be tested, or maybe I'll do that for a month first. I am considering

> using MMS and DMSO at that time, if still infected, to drive the MMS

> deeper into the places where the virus may be hiding, if it

is....jury's

> still out on that. Hopefully I won't have to go that route!

>

> But the fact that you got sick is due to overdosing your body. Not

to

> the MMS. It will not make your scalp worse. I don't believe that.

> Whatever you stirred up when you herxed is now vexing your body.

That

> your family got the flu is not MMS's fault. MMS did not remove all

the

> good bacteria, the diarrhea did. That's why I got a yeast

infection. And

> I cured it with probiotics. I did an enema with mineralized water,

then

> did a retention enema with 8 PB-8 capsules, and also took some Yeast

> Defense herbal supplement for a few days. Both available in most

health

> stores and online. I also avoided dairy, which can cause diarrhea

when a

> person is cleansing. Antibiotics combined with dairy assure me of

> diarrhea and a yeast infection, while taking Probiotics with

antibiotics

> remedies and prevents. I've had to take antibiotics 3 times in the

last

> year from tooth infections. Now I rinse with MMS.

>

> You already had the fungus in your body, the diarrhea weakened your

> immune system and the fungus grew. Thrush is also a fungus,

Candida.

>

> So yes, probiotics is important! And not overdosing and getting

diarrhea

> is also important. Recovering from the effects of diarrhea before

> continuing worked well for me.

>

> You might want to consider what you are eating and whether you are

> contributing to the problem. I don't know your diet, but any sugar

will

> encourage Candida and fungus, so will vinegar. I would stay away

from

> ALL packaged foods, and eat from the Garden. Lots of vegetables,

easy on

> the fruit, no bread at all, no sugar at all, no yeast at all. No

milk at

> all. Drink teas and sweeten with xylitol or stevia, I personally

just

> add some Real Salt, which is a miracle in itself. It's the only

salt we

> use. Avoid alcohol which is a sugar.

>

> Oh, and don't eat out. You don't know what's in the food you eat at

> restaurants. Drink lots of purified water and take vitamins for

healing

> and strengthening your immune system.

>

> There is a great book, Prescription for Nutritional Healing. It's

got

> suggestions for almost every condition you can think of. It's been

my

> source for at least 10 years. Now in its 4th or 5th edition. I've

read

> the candida section several times this year! whew!

>

> Wishing you health!

>

> Kathy

>

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Absolutely and excellant post. thankyou Kathy.

S

>

> ,

>

> I'm sorry for your experience. I do sympathize, as I went through

> something very similar.

>

> However,

> You did not really give enough information here to make the

conclusion

> that MMS is not selective. Based on what?

>

> Jim Humble has studied it for over 10 years and it is the ONLY

thing out

> there that is selective! It's been used for 50 years in water

> purification systems throughout Europe. The fact that it is

selective

> has, according to Jim, been known for 50 years. It sounds like you

have

> not read the book. The book explains why it only attacks the bad

guys.

> I'll summarize, but please read the book!

>

> The bad guys have a low pH. The good guys have a high pH. MMS as

Sodium

> Chlorite has a very high pH and is happy that way. When you

activate it

> with acid, you drop the pH from 13 to about 4. This agitates it,

causes

> it to change it's molecular structure and become a highly unstable

> Chlorine Dioxide. When ingested, the red blood cells recognize it

as a

> form of oxygen and carry it through the blood stream to the cells.

If it

> encounters another low pH cell, it is like an addict looking for a

drug.

> It attacks the low pH cell and steals 4-5 of its electrons in an

effort

> to complete itself. In the process the diseased cell is oxidized

and the

> chlorine dioxide is too. They both explode and die and are carried

away

> by the body and eliminated through the bowels.

>

> Further, if a person is healthy and has no pathogens, the MMS does

not

> affect them at all. They can take the highest dose and never get

> diarrhea. It just passes through them, but in the process of not

being

> needed, the Chlorine dioxide is taken and converted to hypochlorous

> acid, which the body uses to fight disease. This acid is deficient

in a

> sick body, which is why the yeast, bacteria and funguses can grow

where

> normally they would be controlled. This deficiency of hypochlorous

acid

> is called by the medical profession a myeloperoxidase deficiency.

>

> My personal experience:

> I overdosed on MMS the day I got it, I was so excited I took 18

drops,

> and the next morning I took 27. The diarrhea hit in the afternoon.

> It lasted all day and the next morning still a little. I stopped

taking

> MMS for a day. Tried to take it again, couldn't get past the gut

ache,

> so I waited until the gut ache from the diarrhea went away. Then I

> started over, and I was smart this time, instead of a Smart ass.

> <grinning sheepishly>

>

> I took 4 drops, the next day 6, the next day 7, the next day back

to 6.

> Now I'm taking 12 drops twice a day, and no side effects, no

diarrhea,

> my poops are the best they have been in years.

> I'm slowly upping the dose. I'm doing fine. I'm listening to my

body.

> I'm moving to three times a day. My brother is doing 10 drops 3

times a

> day, and is doing fine. He has COPD from tobacco smoking.

>

> I didn't mention the yeast infection I got from the diarrhea, or the

> hemorrhoids, did I? Not MMS's fault, my fault for being delirious

enough

> to think that a dose like that would cure my Hepatitis C. Maybe it

has,

> I haven't been tested yet. I'm not herxing at all on the dosages I

am

> now taking. When I get to 15 drops 3 times a day for a week, then I

will

> be tested, or maybe I'll do that for a month first. I am considering

> using MMS and DMSO at that time, if still infected, to drive the MMS

> deeper into the places where the virus may be hiding, if it

is....jury's

> still out on that. Hopefully I won't have to go that route!

>

> But the fact that you got sick is due to overdosing your body. Not

to

> the MMS. It will not make your scalp worse. I don't believe that.

> Whatever you stirred up when you herxed is now vexing your body.

That

> your family got the flu is not MMS's fault. MMS did not remove all

the

> good bacteria, the diarrhea did. That's why I got a yeast

infection. And

> I cured it with probiotics. I did an enema with mineralized water,

then

> did a retention enema with 8 PB-8 capsules, and also took some Yeast

> Defense herbal supplement for a few days. Both available in most

health

> stores and online. I also avoided dairy, which can cause diarrhea

when a

> person is cleansing. Antibiotics combined with dairy assure me of

> diarrhea and a yeast infection, while taking Probiotics with

antibiotics

> remedies and prevents. I've had to take antibiotics 3 times in the

last

> year from tooth infections. Now I rinse with MMS.

>

> You already had the fungus in your body, the diarrhea weakened your

> immune system and the fungus grew. Thrush is also a fungus,

Candida.

>

> So yes, probiotics is important! And not overdosing and getting

diarrhea

> is also important. Recovering from the effects of diarrhea before

> continuing worked well for me.

>

> You might want to consider what you are eating and whether you are

> contributing to the problem. I don't know your diet, but any sugar

will

> encourage Candida and fungus, so will vinegar. I would stay away

from

> ALL packaged foods, and eat from the Garden. Lots of vegetables,

easy on

> the fruit, no bread at all, no sugar at all, no yeast at all. No

milk at

> all. Drink teas and sweeten with xylitol or stevia, I personally

just

> add some Real Salt, which is a miracle in itself. It's the only

salt we

> use. Avoid alcohol which is a sugar.

>

> Oh, and don't eat out. You don't know what's in the food you eat at

> restaurants. Drink lots of purified water and take vitamins for

healing

> and strengthening your immune system.

>

> There is a great book, Prescription for Nutritional Healing. It's

got

> suggestions for almost every condition you can think of. It's been

my

> source for at least 10 years. Now in its 4th or 5th edition. I've

read

> the candida section several times this year! whew!

>

> Wishing you health!

>

> Kathy

>

[Guest guest]

Kathy Wenger wrote:

Message

Jim Humble has studied it for over 10 years and

it is the ONLY thing out there that is selective! It's been used for 50

years in water purification systems throughout Europe. The fact that it

is selective has, according to Jim, been known for 50 years.

This seems a bit of a non sequitur. Surely the purification of water

does not require selectivity of any sort, as long as it leaves the

hydrogen and oxygen....?

[Guest guest]

read the free book - listen to free CD GOOD stuff.

S

> > Jim Humble has studied it for over 10 years and it is the ONLY thing

> > out there that is selective! It's been used for 50 years in water

> > purification systems throughout Europe. The fact that it is

selective

> > has, according to Jim, been known for 50 years.

>

> This seems a bit of a non sequitur. Surely the purification of water

> does not require selectivity of any sort, as long as it leaves the

> hydrogen and oxygen....?

>

[Guest guest]

lisastoken wrote:

read the free book - listen to free CD GOOD stuff.

I've bought and read it, but that still is a non sequitur.. How does

its use in water purification imply anything at all about its

selectivity?

S

Jim Humble has studied it for over 10 years and it is the ONLY thing

out there that is selective! It's been used for 50 years in water

purification systems throughout Europe. The fact that it is

selective

has, according to Jim, been known for 50 years.

This seems a bit of a non sequitur. Surely the purification of water

does not require selectivity of any sort, as long as it leaves the

hydrogen and oxygen....?

[Guest guest]

Hello Kathy,

Yes, I read the book. I am just relating my experience. My yeast was doing much better before I started the MMS. It gradually got worse during the time of use with it. I did not overdose my body- I had been on the same dose increased gradually over time. I got a stomach virus. I do not blame the MMS for the stomach virus in our family. That definitely made it worse than it would have been and stripped even more or the good bacteria. I know that. I am just warning everyone that you really need to take a good probiotic while using the MMS. I was using paradophilus, btw as well as other probiotics.

I know about what kind of diet I should eat, but thanks for reminding me.

I am still having diarrhea still after about 5 days. I would like to go back to the MMS when it is over and try again.

-- RE: [ ] Re:a word of warning

,

I'm sorry for your experience. I do sympathize, as I went through something very similar.

However,

You did not really give enough information here to make the conclusion that MMS is not selective. Based on what?

Jim Humble has studied it for over 10 years and it is the ONLY thing out there that is selective! It's been used for 50 years in water purification systems throughout Europe. The fact that it is selective has, according to Jim, been known for 50 years. It sounds like you have not read the book. The book explains why it only attacks the bad guys. I'll summarize, but please read the book!

The bad guys have a low pH. The good guys have a high pH. MMS as Sodium Chlorite has a very high pH and is happy that way. When you activate it with acid, you drop the pH from 13 to about 4. This agitates it, causes it to change it's molecular structure and become a highly unstable Chlorine Dioxide. When ingested, the red blood cells recognize it as a form of oxygen and carry it through the blood stream to the cells. If it encounters another low pH cell, it is like an addict looking for a drug. It attacks the low pH cell and steals 4-5 of its electrons in an effort to complete itself. In the process the diseased cell is oxidized and the chlorine dioxide is too. They both explode and die and are carried away by the body and eliminated through the bowels.

Further, if a person is healthy and has no pathogens, the MMS does not affect them at all. They can take the highest dose and never get diarrhea. It just passes through them, but in the process of not being needed, the Chlorine dioxide is taken and converted to hypochlorous acid, which the body uses to fight disease. This acid is deficient in a sick body, which is why the yeast, bacteria and funguses can grow where normally they would be controlled. This deficiency of hypochlorous acid is called by the medical profession a myeloperoxidase deficiency.

My personal experience:

I overdosed on MMS the day I got it, I was so excited I took 18 drops, and the next morning I took 27. The diarrhea hit in the afternoon.

It lasted all day and the next morning still a little. I stopped taking MMS for a day. Tried to take it again, couldn't get past the gut ache, so I waited until the gut ache from the diarrhea went away. Then I started over, and I was smart this time, instead of a Smart ass. <grinning sheepishly>

I took 4 drops, the next day 6, the next day 7, the next day back to 6. Now I'm taking 12 drops twice a day, and no side effects, no diarrhea, my poops are the best they have been in years.

I'm slowly upping the dose. I'm doing fine. I'm listening to my body. I'm moving to three times a day. My brother is doing 10 drops 3 times a day, and is doing fine. He has COPD from tobacco smoking.

I didn't mention the yeast infection I got from the diarrhea, or the hemorrhoids, did I? Not MMS's fault, my fault for being delirious enough to think that a dose like that would cure my Hepatitis C. Maybe it has, I haven't been tested yet. I'm not herxing at all on the dosages I am now taking. When I get to 15 drops 3 times a day for a week, then I will be tested, or maybe I'll do that for a month first. I am considering using MMS and DMSO at that time, if still infected, to drive the MMS deeper into the places where the virus may be hiding, if it is....jury's still out on that. Hopefully I won't have to go that route!

But the fact that you got sick is due to overdosing your body. Not to the MMS. It will not make your scalp worse. I don't believe that. Whatever you stirred up when you herxed is now vexing your body. That your family got the flu is not MMS's fault. MMS did not remove all the good bacteria, the diarrhea did. That's why I got a yeast infection. And I cured it with probiotics. I did an enema with mineralized water, then did a retention enema with 8 PB-8 capsules, and also took some Yeast Defense herbal supplement for a few days. Both available in most health stores and online. I also avoided dairy, which can cause diarrhea when a person is cleansing. Antibiotics combined with dairy assure me of diarrhea and a yeast infection, while taking Probiotics with antibiotics remedies and prevents. I've had to take antibiotics 3 times in the last year from tooth infections. Now I rinse with MMS.

You already had the fungus in your body, the diarrhea weakened your immune system and the fungus grew. Thrush is also a fungus, Candida.

So yes, probiotics is important! And not overdosing and getting diarrhea is also important. Recovering from the effects of diarrhea before continuing worked well for me.

You might want to consider what you are eating and whether you are contributing to the problem. I don't know your diet, but any sugar will encourage Candida and fungus, so will vinegar. I would stay away from ALL packaged foods, and eat from the Garden. Lots of vegetables, easy on the fruit, no bread at all, no sugar at all, no yeast at all. No milk at all. Drink teas and sweeten with xylitol or stevia, I personally just add some Real Salt, which is a miracle in itself. It's the only salt we use. Avoid alcohol which is a sugar.

Oh, and don't eat out. You don't know what's in the food you eat at restaurants. Drink lots of purified water and take vitamins for healing and strengthening your immune system.

There is a great book, Prescription for Nutritional Healing. It's got suggestions for almost every condition you can think of. It's been my source for at least 10 years. Now in its 4th or 5th edition. I've read the candida section several times this year! whew!

Wishing you health!

Kathy

[Guest guest]

I was up to 10 drops in the morning with DMSO and 12 at night without DMSO. I ramped up gradually.

My scalp gradually started to itch more and some more hair fall out over this time. But it was when the

stomach virus hit that all hell broke loose. It is just very disconcerting to me because I had gotten the

hair loss under control and now it is bad again. So maybe this is a warning for those with hair and scalp

issues to be careful!

I would like to try again if this diarrhea will ever go away!

-- Re: [ ] Re: Lyme disease with

co-infections

>

>

> You know I am under the care of an MD who is also a naturopath

so I am taking toxin binding supplements but after taking the MMS

my diarrhea is a lot worse. I'm on my fifth day of taking 15 drops

twice a day and I have had to start and stop several times. I want

so much to get through the two weeks on the full dose but I'm not

sure if I will make it.

>

> Sharon

>

>

> Re: [ ] Re: Lyme disease with co-

infections

>

> I wouldn't particularly count on it removing the

toxins. I believe the 'job' of MMS is to kill pathogens, not remove

the toxins that follow the death of the pathogens. I would certainly

also have a protocol in place to help the body get rid of toxins,

like drinking lots of good water, salt baths, etc. The body goes

through the nausea and diarrhea after a strong dose of AMMS because

the MMS is killing off more pathogens (and there-by creating more

toxins) than the body can handle in the normal mode. Jim always says

the illness is not from the MMS itself, but from the toxins the body

is trying to get rid of--he says nothing, I think, of the MMS getting

rid of toxins (would have to go over the book again just to make

sure). So--in my opinion--it would be best to support the body's

detoxing as much as possible and not count on the MMS to get rid of

any toxins.

>

> Samala,

>

>

> -------Original Message----- --

>

> Hi Jill I also wonder if it gets rid of the toxins. Toxins are

dead but cause all kinds of problems. With Lyme patients it occurs

after killing off a bacteria and with mold it's the mycotoxins. If

you are a certain genotype according to Dr. Shoemaker you can't

excrete toxins. Does MMS take care of these? It's so complex.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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>

>

>

>

>

>

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> The Children's Research Foundation Children 6-15 FREE for 3 years

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Kathy,

Thank you for the excellent post in answering chris about the ability

of MMS to be selective. I found some coments from jim

during a Q & A interview, it is as follows:

4. Q It has been explained that MMS is a super oxidization agent.

Shouldn't we be taking anti oxidants to combat any excessive aging

while taking the MMS?

A There is no worry about causing aging or oxidizing healthy cells

or killing good bacteria. It doesn't do that. For over 50 years

chlorine dioxide (ClO2) has been used in many water supplies

throughout the world because it only oxidizes the anaerobic bacteria

or other anaerobic microorganisms. It is very picky about what it

oxidizes. That is one of the main issues that make it useful to the

human race. I'm talking about a characteristic of ClO2 that's been

known for over 50 years. This is a characteristic that is not true of

oxygen, or ozone, or hydrogen peroxide, or any other oxidizer that is

used in the human body. ClO2 is the only highly selective oxidizer

known. You don't have to protect the body from the small quantities

ClO2 generated by MMS. It simply does not oxidize any beneficial

bacteria or body cells. No side effects have been reported in

hundreds of thousands of clinical trials and tests. You might want to

read about the selective nature of ClO2. Just look up Chlorine

Dioxide as a water purification chemical or read my book.

I found this information helpful. Also the internet is so easy

to use now days, and if one is researching on a subject there are

always many options for the pertinent information. It is my

experience (and may only be mine, but I doubt it) that if I cannot

find the information easily and quick, I will move on. However, I am

a serious researcher and not a player, I don't like spending a lot of

time.

I hope that does not sound rude to you, I would like for your web

site to succeed. I also feel that friends tell friends the truth.

thank you

> > (not anymore non sequitor than your website! LOL)

ribbing......and why

> > in the world didn't you TELL peopleto navigate to the

> > Health/Healthgoods/mms site, instead of making them play hide and

go

> > seek? If websites aren't easy to navigate of what use are they?

Too

> > many links is confusing!!!!

> I'm sorry you feel cognitively challenged, but you are the

exception,

> considering the hundreds of people who use the Floating World Web

site

> every day. You evidently still haven't understood. Health, Health

Goods

> and MMS are 3 different nodes. The link http://MMsweb.info works for

> most people. If you're having trouble with it, it would be more

> appropriate to give helpful feedback than to come on with the

rudeness

> that is normal among American consumers if something is not dumbed

down

> sufficiently for them. The site is not an attempt to sell you

something,

> but a work in progress designed to help make a lot of interconnected

> information available, not to cater to your desire to see only what

you

> want.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I wonder if you should lay off the DMSO, maby it is causing you

process to quickly. I for one can not use it because I detox to

quickly. It causes excessive rapid heart rate for me. I will not use

it.

S

> > I would like to warn everyone about the

effects

> of MMS from my experience. Once you have the diarrhea, and probably

> before, the MMS is not selective in killing pathogens. It seems to

> kill both the good and the bad. I have had a scalp thing on/off

for

> years. Before I started the MMS is was much better. No itching or

> hair loss. After starting the MMS my scalp began to get gradually

> worse. Then a stomach bug went round the house that caused a lot of

> purging. The diarrhea still has not stopped. I went to a

> dermatologist for my head that is not non-stop itching and hair

> falling out. I have a fungal thing. I believe the MMS removed all

> the good bacteria and allowed the fungus to flourish. Also, I

> developed a bad case of thrush that has not been responding to the

> probiotics while on the MMS. Since stopping it has gotten better.

> If you have diarrhea from it I would suggest you stop for a while

and

> replenish your system with lots of probiotics!

> > Even if you haven't gotten the runs, use a lot of probiotics so

> this doesn't happen to you.

> >

> > Just a word of warning to all you so you can take precautionary

> measures.

> >

> >

> >

> > -- Re: [ ] Re: Lyme disease with

> co-infections

> >

> >

> > You know I am under the care of an MD who is also a naturopath

> so I am taking toxin binding supplements but after taking the MMS

> my diarrhea is a lot worse. I'm on my fifth day of taking 15

drops

> twice a day and I have had to start and stop several times. I want

> so much to get through the two weeks on the full dose but I'm not

> sure if I will make it.

> >

> > Sharon

> >

> >

> > Re: [ ] Re: Lyme disease with

co-

> infections

> >

> > I wouldn't particularly count on it removing the

> toxins. I believe the 'job' of MMS is to kill pathogens, not remove

> the toxins that follow the death of the pathogens. I would

certainly

> also have a protocol in place to help the body get rid of toxins,

> like drinking lots of good water, salt baths, etc. The body goes

> through the nausea and diarrhea after a strong dose of AMMS because

> the MMS is killing off more pathogens (and there-by creating more

> toxins) than the body can handle in the normal mode. Jim always

says

> the illness is not from the MMS itself, but from the toxins the body

> is trying to get rid of--he says nothing, I think, of the MMS

getting

> rid of toxins (would have to go over the book again just to make

> sure). So--in my opinion--it would be best to support the body's

> detoxing as much as possible and not count on the MMS to get rid of

> any toxins.

> >

> > Samala,

> >

> >

> > -------Original Message----- --

> >

> > Hi Jill I also wonder if it gets rid of the toxins. Toxins are

> dead but cause all kinds of problems. With Lyme patients it occurs

> after killing off a bacteria and with mold it's the mycotoxins. If

> you are a certain genotype according to Dr. Shoemaker you can't

> excrete toxins. Does MMS take care of these? It's so complex.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Wilkins

> > http//:www.juiceplus.com/+lw55887

> > The Children's Research Foundation Children 6-15 FREE for 3 years

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

lisastoken wrote:

> It is my

> experience (and may only be mine, but I doubt it) that if I cannot

> find the information easily and quick, I will move on. However, I am

> a serious researcher and not a player, I don't like spending a lot of

> time.

I wonder which of these two inconsistent statements is true; certainly

they cannot both be.

The first one is the most common cause of dilletantism.

Serious researchers appreciate data systems,; people who just want to go

in, get what they already know they want to find, and get out are called

Shoppers.

[Guest guest]

lisastoken wrote:

> Kathy,

>

> Thank you for the excellent post in answering chris about the ability

> of MMS to be selective. I found some coments from jim

> during a Q & A interview, it is as follows:

>

> 4. Q It has been explained that MMS is a super oxidization agent.

> Shouldn't we be taking anti oxidants to combat any excessive aging

> while taking the MMS?

> A There is no worry about causing aging or oxidizing healthy cells

> or killing good bacteria. It doesn't do that. For over 50 years

> chlorine dioxide (ClO2) has been used in many water supplies

> throughout the world because it only oxidizes the anaerobic bacteria

> or other anaerobic microorganisms. It is very picky about what it

> oxidizes. That is one of the main issues that make it useful to the

> human race. I'm talking about a characteristic of ClO2 that's been

> known for over 50 years. This is a characteristic that is not true of

> oxygen, or ozone, or hydrogen peroxide, or any other oxidizer that is

> used in the human body. ClO2 is the only highly selective oxidizer

> known. You don't have to protect the body from the small quantities

> ClO2 generated by MMS. It simply does not oxidize any beneficial

> bacteria or body cells. No side effects have been reported in

> hundreds of thousands of clinical trials and tests. You might want to

> read about the selective nature of ClO2. Just look up Chlorine

> Dioxide as a water purification chemical or read my book.

>

> I found this information helpful.

It's not really information in any scientific sense, for whatever that

may be worth to you. It is merely an elaboration of an assertion, i.e.

" MMS only kills Bad stuff. " I haven't myself spoken to any medically

educated person who sees how it can be so simple that acid is bad and

alkaline good, which seems to be the mechanism alluded to, although not

actually mentioned, in this excerpt.

" Read my book. " The overly serious researcher might note that in Dr.

Humble's Book (Parts 1 & 2), searches for the term " selective " produce

only one irrelevant instance. The passage quoted above may be

reassuring, but offers neither explanation nor leads to explanations of

how this selectivity operates.

This question, and the one about oxidants and free radicals, are not

questions that will go away from all types of minds simply because of

reassurances to the point of blustering.

[Guest guest]

Please let this subject die. This is not helpful to anyone. I will be

deleting this thread.If you must reply to this subject take it off

group!

IN NC

---

[Guest guest]

I left in Chris's website and our difficulty finding the info and

Chris's helpful messages trying to iron out our difficulties. I

eliminated the bickering. If I missed something let me know.

IN NC

>

> Please let this subject die. This is not helpful to anyone. I will be

> deleting this thread.If you must reply to this subject take it off

> group!

> IN NC

>

> ---

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I have used the DMSO from the beginning of the protocol. Actually I have been using it internally for a couple of years. It keeps me limber and more flexible. So I just use a couple of drops less of the MMS when using the DMSO. I just got a stomach bug and it screwed me up. Period. End of story.

-- Re: [ ] Re: Lyme disease with

> co-infections

> >

> >

> > You know I am under the care of an MD who is also a naturopath

> so I am taking toxin binding supplements but after taking the MMS

> my diarrhea is a lot worse. I'm on my fifth day of taking 15

drops

> twice a day and I have had to start and stop several times. I want

> so much to get through the two weeks on the full dose but I'm not

> sure if I will make it.

> >

> > Sharon

> >

> >

> > Re: [ ] Re: Lyme disease with

co-

> infections

> >

> > I wouldn't particularly count on it removing the

> toxins. I believe the 'job' of MMS is to kill pathogens, not remove

> the toxins that follow the death of the pathogens. I would

certainly

> also have a protocol in place to help the body get rid of toxins,

> like drinking lots of good water, salt baths, etc. The body goes

> through the nausea and diarrhea after a strong dose of AMMS because

> the MMS is killing off more pathogens (and there-by creating more

> toxins) than the body can handle in the normal mode. Jim always

says

> the illness is not from the MMS itself, but from the toxins the body

> is trying to get rid of--he says nothing, I think, of the MMS

getting

> rid of toxins (would have to go over the book again just to make

> sure). So--in my opinion--it would be best to support the body's

> detoxing as much as possible and not count on the MMS to get rid of

> any toxins.

> >

> > Samala,

> >

> >

> > -------Original Message----- --

> >

> > Hi Jill I also wonder if it gets rid of the toxins. Toxins are

> dead but cause all kinds of problems. With Lyme patients it occurs

> after killing off a bacteria and with mold it's the mycotoxins. If

> you are a certain genotype according to Dr. Shoemaker you can't

> excrete toxins. Does MMS take care of these? It's so complex.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Wilkins

> > http//:www.juiceplus.com/+lw55887

> > The Children's Research Foundation Children 6-15 FREE for 3 years

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have been on your site and I appreciate the artistic intent of the site. But it is a little confusing to navigate. I consider myself to be a serious researcher (just ask my husband!), but if it takes too long to find what I am looking for I will go elsewhere because there are so many other sites with a wealth of information to waste on trying to navigate a confusing site.

But I really do like philosophical expression of it. And you do have a lot of great information and links.

Just my 2 cents-

-- Re: [ ] Re:a word of warning

lisastoken wrote:

> It is my

> experience (and may only be mine, but I doubt it) that if I cannot

> find the information easily and quick, I will move on. However, I am

> a serious researcher and not a player, I don't like spending a lot of

> time.

I wonder which of these two inconsistent statements is true; certainly

they cannot both be.

The first one is the most common cause of dilletantism.

Serious researchers appreciate data systems,; people who just want to go

in, get what they already know they want to find, and get out are called

Shoppers.