Guest guest Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 susan wrote: I have been on your site and I appreciate the artistic intent of the site. But it is a little confusing to navigate. I consider myself to be a serious researcher (just ask my husband!), but if it takes too long to find what I am looking for I will go elsewhere because there are so many other sites with a wealth of information to waste on trying to navigate a confusing site. OK, it's great to hear your explanation but it tells me nothing about what is causing your confusion. If it is a matter of the link not redirecting properly, I understand. If you were able to get to where "MMS" is at the center of the plex, the subcategories seem pretty straightforward. If you only got to the TOPICS page, then it would not be as easy to find your way to the MMS section. This is why I bought a domain to point directly to it, but it seems not to be working for those souls who have not yet realised how superior Firefox is to all the other browsers... Another point is that the software maker has not yet made it possible to search the site in such a way as to go to the place in the plex corresponding to the search results. There is an unmarked search box in the lower left, but it only searches among nodes that you have been on or near during the current session. I am pressing to have full search capabilities added, but for now the site is not to be treated as a search engine. There are enough of those around for the kind of one-pointed research you speak of preferring. In creating it so far I have concentrated more on finding and linking appropriately what I consider worthwhile material. As I become aware of certain sections of the "brain" becoming dense enough to constitute regions, I create submaps, such as what you can find if you click on LOOK along the top. Until that is done, if I want to suggest an area to someone, I give the direct link to a node in that area, or create a domain name pointing to it, e.g. http://mmsweb.info, with the consequent problems that have only now been brought to my attention. I make no claim that this is intended as a research tool, but if decent search capabilities were added, it would be more easily recognisable as a well-chosen selection of material. Once you know where the MMS node is, and understand the Parent/Child/Jump system, it will be obvious that it can serve the purpose of organising and making accessible the information that otherwise is constantly being repeated as new people join the list and ask the same questions, especially if people who I assume want this information readily available make suggestions for content and interconnections. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 Re: [ ] Re: Lyme disease with co- > infections > > > > I wouldn't particularly count on it removing the > toxins. I believe the 'job' of MMS is to kill pathogens, not remove > the toxins that follow the death of the pathogens. I would certainly > also have a protocol in place to help the body get rid of toxins, > like drinking lots of good water, salt baths, etc. The body goes > through the nausea and diarrhea after a strong dose of AMMS because > the MMS is killing off more pathogens (and there-by creating more > toxins) than the body can handle in the normal mode. Jim always says > the illness is not from the MMS itself, but from the toxins the body > is trying to get rid of--he says nothing, I think, of the MMS getting > rid of toxins (would have to go over the book again just to make > sure). So--in my opinion--it would be best to support the body's > detoxing as much as possible and not count on the MMS to get rid of > any toxins. > > > > Samala, > > > > > > -------Original Message----- -- > > > > Hi Jill I also wonder if it gets rid of the toxins. Toxins are > dead but cause all kinds of problems. With Lyme patients it occurs > after killing off a bacteria and with mold it's the mycotoxins. If > you are a certain genotype according to Dr. Shoemaker you can't > excrete toxins. Does MMS take care of these? It's so complex. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wilkins > > http//:www.juiceplus.com/+lw55887 > > The Children's Research Foundation Children 6-15 FREE for 3 years > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 It's pretty much accepted that when the body is in an acid state it is unhealthy. I guess we could draw the conclusions from that. Also there is a big push right now on alkaline water to alkalinize the body. My chiropractor used to pH test me and tell me to get more alkaline. A body that is slightly alkaline is healthy. Disease causes an acid state. Maybe you will find your answer. For me it is common sense, and I'm sure you can diss me for that too, and tell me that my common sense doesn't make sense, but in the end, it only matters to me. Don't believe me, go find out for yourself. If a person who is healthy takes MMS, it just passes through them, without any effect, and is converted to hypochlorous acid, which helps fight disease. I know, it sounds too good to be true. By the way, have you checked your link on Opera? Kathy -----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of CaseSent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [ ] Re:a word of warning lisastoken wrote:> Kathy, >> Thank you for the excellent post in answering chris about the ability > of MMS to be selective. I found some coments from jim > during a Q & A interview, it is as follows:>> 4. Q It has been explained that MMS is a super oxidization agent. > Shouldn't we be taking anti oxidants to combat any excessive aging > while taking the MMS?> A There is no worry about causing aging or oxidizing healthy cells > or killing good bacteria. It doesn't do that. For over 50 years > chlorine dioxide (ClO2) has been used in many water supplies > throughout the world because it only oxidizes the anaerobic bacteria > or other anaerobic microorganisms. It is very picky about what it > oxidizes. That is one of the main issues that make it useful to the > human race. I'm talking about a characteristic of ClO2 that's been > known for over 50 years. This is a characteristic that is not true of > oxygen, or ozone, or hydrogen peroxide, or any other oxidizer that is > used in the human body. ClO2 is the only highly selective oxidizer > known. You don't have to protect the body from the small quantities > ClO2 generated by MMS. It simply does not oxidize any beneficial > bacteria or body cells. No side effects have been reported in > hundreds of thousands of clinical trials and tests. You might want to > read about the selective nature of ClO2. Just look up Chlorine > Dioxide as a water purification chemical or read my book.>> I found this information helpful.It's not really information in any scientific sense, for whatever thatmay be worth to you. It is merely an elaboration of an assertion, i.e."MMS only kills Bad stuff." I haven't myself spoken to any medicallyeducated person who sees how it can be so simple that acid is bad andalkaline good, which seems to be the mechanism alluded to, although notactually mentioned, in this excerpt."Read my book." The overly serious researcher might note that in Dr.Humble's Book (Parts 1 & 2), searches for the term "selective" produceonly one irrelevant instance. The passage quoted above may bereassuring, but offers neither explanation nor leads to explanations ofhow this selectivity operates.This question, and the one about oxidants and free radicals, are notquestions that will go away from all types of minds simply because ofreassurances to the point of blustering.__________ NOD32 2673 (20071120) Information __________This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 Kathy Wenger wrote: Message It's pretty much accepted that when the body is in an acid state it is unhealthy. I guess we could draw the conclusions from that. Also there is a big push right now on alkaline water to alkalinize the body. My chiropractor used to pH test me and tell me to get more alkaline. A body that is slightly alkaline is healthy. Disease causes an acid state. Maybe you will find your answer. For me it is common sense, and I'm sure you can diss me for that too, and tell me that my common sense doesn't make sense, but in the end, it only matters to me. That may be the end for you, but since I have ordered 6 kits for distribution in Japan, I'm going to have to have a real answer when people ask "How do you know that all and only bad bacteria are anaerobic?", even if I can persuade them that chlorine dioxide is selective for anaerobic elements, which seems to have some corroboration in online articles about water purification plants. I've already been told by one doctor that "acid =bad, alkaline = good" is an oversimplification, so since it won't only matter to me, I'm not about to settle for appeals to authority or Argument From Personal Credulity, both of which are well-known informal fallacies. Don't believe me, go find out for yourself. I consider that asking the question constitutes going and finding out for myself, even if at the outset I only get answers such as yours. If a person who is healthy takes MMS, it just passes through them, without any effect, and is converted to hypochlorous acid, which helps fight disease. I know, it sounds too good to be true. No, "helps fight disease" sounds too vague. Of course I too want to believe all this, but I can't go along with the idea that that's all one needs. By the way, have you checked your link on Opera? I suppose perhaps I should install all of the obsolete browsers to find out....but the software designer claimed it was compatible with all browsers, and since I want to believe that, it should be enough, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 Hi , I don't even know what DMSO is but I've had diarrhea for a long time and the MMS makes it a lot worse. I had to stop for awhile and see what will happen. Sharon Re: [miracle_mineral_ supplement] Re: Lyme disease with co- > infections > > > > I wouldn't particularly count on it removing the > toxins. I believe the 'job' of MMS is to kill pathogens, not remove > the toxins that follow the death of the pathogens. I would certainly > also have a protocol in place to help the body get rid of toxins, > like drinking lots of good water, salt baths, etc. The body goes > through the nausea and diarrhea after a strong dose of AMMS because > the MMS is killing off more pathogens (and there-by creating more > toxins) than the body can handle in the normal mode. Jim always says > the illness is not from the MMS itself, but from the toxins the body > is trying to get rid of--he says nothing, I think, of the MMS getting > rid of toxins (would have to go over the book again just to make > sure). So--in my opinion--it would be best to support the body's > detoxing as much as possible and not count on the MMS to get rid of > any toxins. > > > > Samala, > > > > > > -------Original Message----- -- > > > > Hi Jill I also wonder if it gets rid of the toxins. Toxins are > dead but cause all kinds of problems. With Lyme patients it occurs > after killing off a bacteria and with mold it's the mycotoxins. If > you are a certain genotype according to Dr. Shoemaker you can't > excrete toxins. Does MMS take care of these? It's so complex. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wilkins > > http//:www.juiceplus. com/+lw55887 > > The Children's Research Foundation Children 6-15 FREE for 3 years > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 > Disease causes an acid state. No, quite an opposite. Acid state causes disease. Val RE: [ ] Re:a word of warning It's pretty much accepted that when the body is in an acid state it is unhealthy. I guess we could draw the conclusions from that. Also there is a big push right now on alkaline water to alkalinize the body. My chiropractor used to pH test me and tell me to get more alkaline. A body that is slightly alkaline is healthy. Disease causes an acid state. Maybe you will find your answer. For me it is common sense, and I'm sure you can diss me for that too, and tell me that my common sense doesn't make sense, but in the end, it only matters to me. Don't believe me, go find out for yourself. If a person who is healthy takes MMS, it just passes through them, without any effect, and is converted to hypochlorous acid, which helps fight disease. I know, it sounds too good to be true. By the way, have you checked your link on Opera? Kathy -----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of CaseSent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [ ] Re:a word of warning lisastoken wrote:> Kathy, >> Thank you for the excellent post in answering chris about the ability > of MMS to be selective. I found some coments from jim > during a Q & A interview, it is as follows:>> 4. Q It has been explained that MMS is a super oxidization agent. > Shouldn't we be taking anti oxidants to combat any excessive aging > while taking the MMS?> A There is no worry about causing aging or oxidizing healthy cells > or killing good bacteria. It doesn't do that. For over 50 years > chlorine dioxide (ClO2) has been used in many water supplies > throughout the world because it only oxidizes the anaerobic bacteria > or other anaerobic microorganisms. It is very picky about what it > oxidizes. That is one of the main issues that make it useful to the > human race. I'm talking about a characteristic of ClO2 that's been > known for over 50 years. This is a characteristic that is not true of > oxygen, or ozone, or hydrogen peroxide, or any other oxidizer that is > used in the human body. ClO2 is the only highly selective oxidizer > known. You don't have to protect the body from the small quantities > ClO2 generated by MMS. It simply does not oxidize any beneficial > bacteria or body cells. No side effects have been reported in > hundreds of thousands of clinical trials and tests. You might want to > read about the selective nature of ClO2. Just look up Chlorine > Dioxide as a water purification chemical or read my book.>> I found this information helpful.It's not really information in any scientific sense, for whatever thatmay be worth to you. It is merely an elaboration of an assertion, i.e."MMS only kills Bad stuff." I haven't myself spoken to any medicallyeducated person who sees how it can be so simple that acid is bad andalkaline good, which seems to be the mechanism alluded to, although notactually mentioned, in this excerpt."Read my book." The overly serious researcher might note that in Dr.Humble's Book (Parts 1 & 2), searches for the term "selective" produceonly one irrelevant instance. The passage quoted above may bereassuring, but offers neither explanation nor leads to explanations ofhow this selectivity operates.This question, and the one about oxidants and free radicals, are notquestions that will go away from all types of minds simply because ofreassurances to the point of blustering.__________ NOD32 2673 (20071120) Information __________This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 > If a person who is healthy takes MMS, it just passes through them, without any effect, That is wrong. A person who is healthy will became not as healthy after MMS. Why? Human body has delicate balance of many different pathogens that live with each other in a certain harmony. If you will break it (and MMS does it) you will need to work hard to get back. E.coli and Salmonella that live in small "population" in intestines, for example, make your peristaltic movement. When you will kill it (and MMS does it) you will experience constipation with the same food intake. I am not mentioning diarrhea that cause large doses of MMS, that is something else. Val RE: [ ] Re:a word of warning It's pretty much accepted that when the body is in an acid state it is unhealthy. I guess we could draw the conclusions from that. Also there is a big push right now on alkaline water to alkalinize the body. My chiropractor used to pH test me and tell me to get more alkaline. A body that is slightly alkaline is healthy. Disease causes an acid state. Maybe you will find your answer. For me it is common sense, and I'm sure you can diss me for that too, and tell me that my common sense doesn't make sense, but in the end, it only matters to me. Don't believe me, go find out for yourself. If a person who is healthy takes MMS, it just passes through them, without any effect, and is converted to hypochlorous acid, which helps fight disease. I know, it sounds too good to be true. By the way, have you checked your link on Opera? Kathy -----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of CaseSent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [ ] Re:a word of warning lisastoken wrote:> Kathy, >> Thank you for the excellent post in answering chris about the ability > of MMS to be selective. I found some coments from jim > during a Q & A interview, it is as follows:>> 4. Q It has been explained that MMS is a super oxidization agent. > Shouldn't we be taking anti oxidants to combat any excessive aging > while taking the MMS?> A There is no worry about causing aging or oxidizing healthy cells > or killing good bacteria. It doesn't do that. For over 50 years > chlorine dioxide (ClO2) has been used in many water supplies > throughout the world because it only oxidizes the anaerobic bacteria > or other anaerobic microorganisms. It is very picky about what it > oxidizes. That is one of the main issues that make it useful to the > human race. I'm talking about a characteristic of ClO2 that's been > known for over 50 years. This is a characteristic that is not true of > oxygen, or ozone, or hydrogen peroxide, or any other oxidizer that is > used in the human body. ClO2 is the only highly selective oxidizer > known. You don't have to protect the body from the small quantities > ClO2 generated by MMS. It simply does not oxidize any beneficial > bacteria or body cells. No side effects have been reported in > hundreds of thousands of clinical trials and tests. You might want to > read about the selective nature of ClO2. Just look up Chlorine > Dioxide as a water purification chemical or read my book.>> I found this information helpful.It's not really information in any scientific sense, for whatever thatmay be worth to you. It is merely an elaboration of an assertion, i.e."MMS only kills Bad stuff." I haven't myself spoken to any medicallyeducated person who sees how it can be so simple that acid is bad andalkaline good, which seems to be the mechanism alluded to, although notactually mentioned, in this excerpt."Read my book." The overly serious researcher might note that in Dr.Humble's Book (Parts 1 & 2), searches for the term "selective" produceonly one irrelevant instance. The passage quoted above may bereassuring, but offers neither explanation nor leads to explanations ofhow this selectivity operates.This question, and the one about oxidants and free radicals, are notquestions that will go away from all types of minds simply because ofreassurances to the point of blustering.__________ NOD32 2673 (20071120) Information __________This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 That's a good question. Maybe it just exploded the buggers and caused much more of an illness than it would have been since AMMS is very explosive.-- -- Re: [ ] Re:a word of warning Re: [ ] Re: Lyme disease with co- > infections > > > > I wouldn't particularly count on it removing the > toxins. I believe the 'job' of MMS is to kill pathogens, not remove > the toxins that follow the death of the pathogens. I would certainly > also have a protocol in place to help the body get rid of toxins, > like drinking lots of good water, salt baths, etc. The body goes > through the nausea and diarrhea after a strong dose of AMMS because > the MMS is killing off more pathogens (and there-by creating more > toxins) than the body can handle in the normal mode. Jim always says > the illness is not from the MMS itself, but from the toxins the body > is trying to get rid of--he says nothing, I think, of the MMS getting > rid of toxins (would have to go over the book again just to make > sure). So--in my opinion--it would be best to support the body's > detoxing as much as possible and not count on the MMS to get rid of > any toxins. > > > > Samala, > > > > > > -------Original Message----- -- > > > > Hi Jill I also wonder if it gets rid of the toxins. Toxins are > dead but cause all kinds of problems. With Lyme patients it occurs > after killing off a bacteria and with mold it's the mycotoxins. If > you are a certain genotype according to Dr. Shoemaker you can't > excrete toxins. Does MMS take care of these? It's so complex. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wilkins > > http//:www.juiceplus.com/+lw55887 > > The Children's Research Foundation Children 6-15 FREE for 3 years > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 > My chiropractor used to pH test me and tell me to get more alkaline. Your chiropractor by using pH test cannot find out your state of health, and state of health does depend on pH only. That is really amateur way to test. He got to run "Biological Terrain" test. Val RE: [ ] Re:a word of warning It's pretty much accepted that when the body is in an acid state it is unhealthy. I guess we could draw the conclusions from that. Also there is a big push right now on alkaline water to alkalinize the body. My chiropractor used to pH test me and tell me to get more alkaline. A body that is slightly alkaline is healthy. Disease causes an acid state. Maybe you will find your answer. For me it is common sense, and I'm sure you can diss me for that too, and tell me that my common sense doesn't make sense, but in the end, it only matters to me. Don't believe me, go find out for yourself. If a person who is healthy takes MMS, it just passes through them, without any effect, and is converted to hypochlorous acid, which helps fight disease. I know, it sounds too good to be true. By the way, have you checked your link on Opera? Kathy -----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of CaseSent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [ ] Re:a word of warning lisastoken wrote:> Kathy, >> Thank you for the excellent post in answering chris about the ability > of MMS to be selective. I found some coments from jim > during a Q & A interview, it is as follows:>> 4. Q It has been explained that MMS is a super oxidization agent. > Shouldn't we be taking anti oxidants to combat any excessive aging > while taking the MMS?> A There is no worry about causing aging or oxidizing healthy cells > or killing good bacteria. It doesn't do that. For over 50 years > chlorine dioxide (ClO2) has been used in many water supplies > throughout the world because it only oxidizes the anaerobic bacteria > or other anaerobic microorganisms. It is very picky about what it > oxidizes. That is one of the main issues that make it useful to the > human race. I'm talking about a characteristic of ClO2 that's been > known for over 50 years. This is a characteristic that is not true of > oxygen, or ozone, or hydrogen peroxide, or any other oxidizer that is > used in the human body. ClO2 is the only highly selective oxidizer > known. You don't have to protect the body from the small quantities > ClO2 generated by MMS. It simply does not oxidize any beneficial > bacteria or body cells. No side effects have been reported in > hundreds of thousands of clinical trials and tests. You might want to > read about the selective nature of ClO2. Just look up Chlorine > Dioxide as a water purification chemical or read my book.>> I found this information helpful.It's not really information in any scientific sense, for whatever thatmay be worth to you. It is merely an elaboration of an assertion, i.e."MMS only kills Bad stuff." I haven't myself spoken to any medicallyeducated person who sees how it can be so simple that acid is bad andalkaline good, which seems to be the mechanism alluded to, although notactually mentioned, in this excerpt."Read my book." The overly serious researcher might note that in Dr.Humble's Book (Parts 1 & 2), searches for the term "selective" produceonly one irrelevant instance. The passage quoted above may bereassuring, but offers neither explanation nor leads to explanations ofhow this selectivity operates.This question, and the one about oxidants and free radicals, are notquestions that will go away from all types of minds simply because ofreassurances to the point of blustering.__________ NOD32 2673 (20071120) Information __________This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 > It's pretty much accepted that when the body is in an acid state it is unhealthy. I guess we could draw the conclusions from that. I doubt that it is correct to draw any conclusion form gossip. Val RE: [ ] Re:a word of warning It's pretty much accepted that when the body is in an acid state it is unhealthy. I guess we could draw the conclusions from that. Also there is a big push right now on alkaline water to alkalinize the body. My chiropractor used to pH test me and tell me to get more alkaline. A body that is slightly alkaline is healthy. Disease causes an acid state. Maybe you will find your answer. For me it is common sense, and I'm sure you can diss me for that too, and tell me that my common sense doesn't make sense, but in the end, it only matters to me. Don't believe me, go find out for yourself. If a person who is healthy takes MMS, it just passes through them, without any effect, and is converted to hypochlorous acid, which helps fight disease. I know, it sounds too good to be true. By the way, have you checked your link on Opera? Kathy -----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of CaseSent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [ ] Re:a word of warning lisastoken wrote:> Kathy, >> Thank you for the excellent post in answering chris about the ability > of MMS to be selective. I found some coments from jim > during a Q & A interview, it is as follows:>> 4. Q It has been explained that MMS is a super oxidization agent. > Shouldn't we be taking anti oxidants to combat any excessive aging > while taking the MMS?> A There is no worry about causing aging or oxidizing healthy cells > or killing good bacteria. It doesn't do that. For over 50 years > chlorine dioxide (ClO2) has been used in many water supplies > throughout the world because it only oxidizes the anaerobic bacteria > or other anaerobic microorganisms. It is very picky about what it > oxidizes. That is one of the main issues that make it useful to the > human race. I'm talking about a characteristic of ClO2 that's been > known for over 50 years. This is a characteristic that is not true of > oxygen, or ozone, or hydrogen peroxide, or any other oxidizer that is > used in the human body. ClO2 is the only highly selective oxidizer > known. You don't have to protect the body from the small quantities > ClO2 generated by MMS. It simply does not oxidize any beneficial > bacteria or body cells. No side effects have been reported in > hundreds of thousands of clinical trials and tests. You might want to > read about the selective nature of ClO2. Just look up Chlorine > Dioxide as a water purification chemical or read my book.>> I found this information helpful.It's not really information in any scientific sense, for whatever thatmay be worth to you. It is merely an elaboration of an assertion, i.e."MMS only kills Bad stuff." I haven't myself spoken to any medicallyeducated person who sees how it can be so simple that acid is bad andalkaline good, which seems to be the mechanism alluded to, although notactually mentioned, in this excerpt."Read my book." The overly serious researcher might note that in Dr.Humble's Book (Parts 1 & 2), searches for the term "selective" produceonly one irrelevant instance. The passage quoted above may bereassuring, but offers neither explanation nor leads to explanations ofhow this selectivity operates.This question, and the one about oxidants and free radicals, are notquestions that will go away from all types of minds simply because ofreassurances to the point of blustering.__________ NOD32 2673 (20071120) Information __________This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 Do not continue until the diarrhea is gone and take lots of probiotics to repopulate what has been lost due to the diarrhea. -- Re: [ ] Re:a word of warning Hi , I don't even know what DMSO is but I've had diarrhea for a long time and the MMS makes it a lot worse. I had to stop for awhile and see what will happen. Sharon Re: [miracle_mineral_ supplement] Re: Lyme disease with co- > infections > > > > I wouldn't particularly count on it removing the > toxins. I believe the 'job' of MMS is to kill pathogens, not remove > the toxins that follow the death of the pathogens. I would certainly > also have a protocol in place to help the body get rid of toxins, > like drinking lots of good water, salt baths, etc. The body goes > through the nausea and diarrhea after a strong dose of AMMS because > the MMS is killing off more pathogens (and there-by creating more > toxins) than the body can handle in the normal mode. Jim always says > the illness is not from the MMS itself, but from the toxins the body > is trying to get rid of--he says nothing, I think, of the MMS getting > rid of toxins (would have to go over the book again just to make > sure). So--in my opinion--it would be best to support the body's > detoxing as much as possible and not count on the MMS to get rid of > any toxins. > > > > Samala, > > > > > > -------Original Message----- -- > > > > Hi Jill I also wonder if it gets rid of the toxins. Toxins are > dead but cause all kinds of problems. With Lyme patients it occurs > after killing off a bacteria and with mold it's the mycotoxins. If > you are a certain genotype according to Dr. Shoemaker you can't > excrete toxins. Does MMS take care of these? It's so complex. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wilkins > > http//:www.juiceplus. com/+lw55887 > > The Children's Research Foundation Children 6-15 FREE for 3 years > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 ....aren't both often true? -----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ]On Behalf Of Valery GalperinSent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [ ] Re:a word of warning > Disease causes an acid state. No, quite an opposite. Acid state causes disease. Val Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 No, Bob. RE: [ ] Re:a word of warning ....aren't both often true? -----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ]On Behalf Of Valery GalperinSent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [ ] Re:a word of warning > Disease causes an acid state. No, quite an opposite. Acid state causes disease. Val Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 Bob, if you will get drunk, you may loose your balance. Not the opposite. ;>))) Val RE: [ ] Re:a word of warning ....aren't both often true? -----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ]On Behalf Of Valery GalperinSent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [ ] Re:a word of warning > Disease causes an acid state. No, quite an opposite. Acid state causes disease. Val Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 There is no gossip in the fact that when a body is acidic it is unhealthy. Low pH,which comes from being too acidic, shows up when people are in a state of disease. Samala, -------Original Message------- I doubt that it is correct to draw any conclusion form gossip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 > It's pretty much accepted that when the body is in an acid state it is unhealthy. I guess we could draw the conclusions from that. Please, do not twist my phrase. It is wrong to draw any conclusion from WHAT PRETTY MUCH ACCEPTED. What "pretty much accepted" is the "talk" on the street. Val Re: [ ] Re:a word of warning There is no gossip in the fact that when a body is acidic it is unhealthy. Low pH,which comes from being too acidic, shows up when people are in a state of disease. Samala, -------Original Message------- I doubt that it is correct to draw any conclusion form gossip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 I've had diarrhea for over twenty years if I wait that long I will never take it. Besides in Jim's book he says that diarrhea is a good sign. I do take probiotics and I read the book. I think I will call my MD and see what her take is on it. Why do you think you are right on this ? I'm just curious what you base your advice on? Are you a professional in the field? Are you a doctor? Are you a chemist? I'll bet I'm the only one on here who has a recommendation from an MD. Does anyone else have a recommendation from an MD? Sharon Re: [miracle_mineral_ supplement] Re: Lyme disease with co- > infections > > > > I wouldn't particularly count on it removing the > toxins. I believe the 'job' of MMS is to kill pathogens, not remove > the toxins that follow the death of the pathogens. I would certainly > also have a protocol in place to help the body get rid of toxins, > like drinking lots of good water, salt baths, etc. The body goes > through the nausea and diarrhea after a strong dose of AMMS because > the MMS is killing off more pathogens (and there-by creating more > toxins) than the body can handle in the normal mode. Jim always says > the illness is not from the MMS itself, but from the toxins the body > is trying to get rid of--he says nothing, I think, of the MMS getting > rid of toxins (would have to go over the book again just to make > sure). So--in my opinion--it would be best to support the body's > detoxing as much as possible and not count on the MMS to get rid of > any toxins. > > > > Samala, > > > > > > -------Original Message----- -- > > > > Hi Jill I also wonder if it gets rid of the toxins. Toxins are > dead but cause all kinds of problems. With Lyme patients it occurs > after killing off a bacteria and with mold it's the mycotoxins. If > you are a certain genotype according to Dr. Shoemaker you can't > excrete toxins. Does MMS take care of these? It's so complex. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wilkins > > http//:www.juiceplus. com/+lw55887 > > The Children's Research Foundation Children 6-15 FREE for 3 years > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 Sharon, Hi If you would tell what do you eat and what medications do you take, might be easier to say what could be wrong with your belly. The diseases are easy stuff to cure. The doctors make it complex, they need to feed their families. Val Re: [miracle_mineral_ supplement] Re: Lyme disease with co- > infections > > > > I wouldn't particularly count on it removing the > toxins. I believe the 'job' of MMS is to kill pathogens, not remove > the toxins that follow the death of the pathogens. I would certainly > also have a protocol in place to help the body get rid of toxins, > like drinking lots of good water, salt baths, etc. The body goes > through the nausea and diarrhea after a strong dose of AMMS because > the MMS is killing off more pathogens (and there-by creating more > toxins) than the body can handle in the normal mode. Jim always says > the illness is not from the MMS itself, but from the toxins the body > is trying to get rid of--he says nothing, I think, of the MMS getting > rid of toxins (would have to go over the book again just to make > sure). So--in my opinion--it would be best to support the body's > detoxing as much as possible and not count on the MMS to get rid of > any toxins. > > > > Samala, > > > > > > -------Original Message----- -- > > > > Hi Jill I also wonder if it gets rid of the toxins. Toxins are > dead but cause all kinds of problems. With Lyme patients it occurs > after killing off a bacteria and with mold it's the mycotoxins. If > you are a certain genotype according to Dr. Shoemaker you can't > excrete toxins. Does MMS take care of these? It's so complex. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wilkins > > http//:www.juiceplus. com/+lw55887 > > The Children's Research Foundation Children 6-15 FREE for 3 years > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 I just started a DMSO loop if anyone is interested you can email me off loop, or if the moderator says it's okay I can post the DMSO loop info. and the H2O2. In Christ, Ava > > > I would like to warn everyone about the > effects > > of MMS from my experience. Once you have the diarrhea, and probably > > before, the MMS is not selective in killing pathogens. It seems to > > kill both the good and the bad. I have had a scalp thing on/off > for > > years. Before I started the MMS is was much better. No itching or > > hair loss. After starting the MMS my scalp began to get gradually > > worse. Then a stomach bug went round the house that caused a lot of > > purging. The diarrhea still has not stopped. I went to a > > dermatologist for my head that is not non-stop itching and hair > > falling out. I have a fungal thing. I believe the MMS removed all > > the good bacteria and allowed the fungus to flourish. Also, I > > developed a bad case of thrush that has not been responding to the > > probiotics while on the MMS. Since stopping it has gotten better. > > If you have diarrhea from it I would suggest you stop for a while > and > > replenish your system with lots of probiotics! > > > Even if you haven't gotten the runs, use a lot of probiotics so > > this doesn't happen to you. > > > > > > Just a word of warning to all you so you can take precautionary > > measures. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Re: [miracle_mineral_ supplement] Re: Lyme disease with > > co-infections > > > > > > > > > You know I am under the care of an MD who is also a naturopath > > so I am taking toxin binding supplements but after taking the MMS > > my diarrhea is a lot worse. I'm on my fifth day of taking 15 > drops > > twice a day and I have had to start and stop several times. I want > > so much to get through the two weeks on the full dose but I'm not > > sure if I will make it. > > > > > > Sharon > > > > > > > > > Re: [miracle_mineral_ supplement] Re: Lyme disease with > co- > > infections > > > > > > I wouldn't particularly count on it removing the > > toxins. I believe the 'job' of MMS is to kill pathogens, not remove > > the toxins that follow the death of the pathogens. I would > certainly > > also have a protocol in place to help the body get rid of toxins, > > like drinking lots of good water, salt baths, etc. The body goes > > through the nausea and diarrhea after a strong dose of AMMS because > > the MMS is killing off more pathogens (and there-by creating more > > toxins) than the body can handle in the normal mode. Jim always > says > > the illness is not from the MMS itself, but from the toxins the body > > is trying to get rid of--he says nothing, I think, of the MMS > getting > > rid of toxins (would have to go over the book again just to make > > sure). So--in my opinion--it would be best to support the body's > > detoxing as much as possible and not count on the MMS to get rid of > > any toxins. > > > > > > Samala, > > > > > > > > > -------Original Message----- -- > > > > > > Hi Jill I also wonder if it gets rid of the toxins. Toxins are > > dead but cause all kinds of problems. With Lyme patients it occurs > > after killing off a bacteria and with mold it's the mycotoxins. If > > you are a certain genotype according to Dr. Shoemaker you can't > > excrete toxins. Does MMS take care of these? It's so complex. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wilkins > > > http//:www.juiceplus. com/+lw55887 > > > The Children's Research Foundation Children 6-15 FREE for 3 years > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 Sharon- Just going on experience. Don't get so touchy..it's a holiday. Maybe you've had diarrhea because you gut is not in balance? That sort of makes sense. When I had that stomach thing with a lot of diarrhea for several days, it definitely stripped my good bacteria. I could tell because my I developed vaginal and scalp itchiness. The reason I am on this group and other natural healing groups for lyme disease is because of my lack of trust in the medical system. MD's are not trained in nutrition or gut imbalances being related to lack of good bacteria. I have found the people in these groups to be way more savvy about health issues than any doctor I have ever seen. I have actually had to educate some of my doctors about alternative protocols that have proven useful to invaluable to my and my family's health. So, you go ahead and talk to your MD. Why don''t you ask them about the MMS and what they think of you using it? I bet they have never heard of it. In the mean time I will trust my own intuition and research capabilities over any doctor any day. Sincerely, -- Re: [ ] Re:a word of warning I've had diarrhea for over twenty years if I wait that long I will never take it. Besides in Jim's book he says that diarrhea is a good sign. I do take probiotics and I read the book. I think I will call my MD and see what her take is on it. Why do you think you are right on this ? I'm just curious what you base your advice on? Are you a professional in the field? Are you a doctor? Are you a chemist? I'll bet I'm the only one on here who has a recommendation from an MD. Does anyone else have a recommendation from an MD? Sharon Re: [miracle_mineral_ supplement] Re: Lyme disease with co- > infections > > > > I wouldn't particularly count on it removing the > toxins. I believe the 'job' of MMS is to kill pathogens, not remove > the toxins that follow the death of the pathogens. I would certainly > also have a protocol in place to help the body get rid of toxins, > like drinking lots of good water, salt baths, etc. The body goes > through the nausea and diarrhea after a strong dose of AMMS because > the MMS is killing off more pathogens (and there-by creating more > toxins) than the body can handle in the normal mode. Jim always says > the illness is not from the MMS itself, but from the toxins the body > is trying to get rid of--he says nothing, I think, of the MMS getting > rid of toxins (would have to go over the book again just to make > sure). So--in my opinion--it would be best to support the body's > detoxing as much as possible and not count on the MMS to get rid of > any toxins. > > > > Samala, > > > > > > -------Original Message----- -- > > > > Hi Jill I also wonder if it gets rid of the toxins. Toxins are > dead but cause all kinds of problems. With Lyme patients it occurs > after killing off a bacteria and with mold it's the mycotoxins. If > you are a certain genotype according to Dr. Shoemaker you can't > excrete toxins. Does MMS take care of these? It's so complex. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wilkins > > http//:www.juiceplus. com/+lw55887 > > The Children's Research Foundation Children 6-15 FREE for 3 years > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 Dear , My MD doctor recommended the MMS. This information was in the last email. She is also a naturopath and holistic healer because she too has biotoxin disease as I have. I don't ever mind when someone says something as advice but when someone gives an order I don't like that at all. I too am teaching my doctors and I have many doctors I deal with because I am high risk for cancer. With my gene mutation I have an 82% chance of breast cancer and a 30% chance of ovarian as well as being high risk for colon, melanoma and pancreatic cancer so I must be doing something right because I still don't have cancer. when you come across as having superior knowledge when you don't even know me it does bother me. If you had said, if it were me I would stop the MMS...do you see the difference? Thanks and have a nice Thanksgiving. Regards, Sharon Re: [miracle_mineral_ supplement] Re: Lyme disease with co- > infections > > > > I wouldn't particularly count on it removing the > toxins. I believe the 'job' of MMS is to kill pathogens, not remove > the toxins that follow the death of the pathogens. I would certainly > also have a protocol in place to help the body get rid of toxins, > like drinking lots of good water, salt baths, etc. The body goes > through the nausea and diarrhea after a strong dose of AMMS because > the MMS is killing off more pathogens (and there-by creating more > toxins) than the body can handle in the normal mode. Jim always says > the illness is not from the MMS itself, but from the toxins the body > is trying to get rid of--he says nothing, I think, of the MMS getting > rid of toxins (would have to go over the book again just to make > sure). So--in my opinion--it would be best to support the body's > detoxing as much as possible and not count on the MMS to get rid of > any toxins. > > > > Samala, > > > > > > -------Original Message----- -- > > > > Hi Jill I also wonder if it gets rid of the toxins. Toxins are > dead but cause all kinds of problems. With Lyme patients it occurs > after killing off a bacteria and with mold it's the mycotoxins. If > you are a certain genotype according to Dr. Shoemaker you can't > excrete toxins. Does MMS take care of these? It's so complex. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wilkins > > http//:www.juiceplus. com/+lw55887 > > The Children's Research Foundation Children 6-15 FREE for 3 years > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 Thanks , What you say makes sense. I am thinking I am killing something in me that needs to die and of course I want so bad to get well. It's not fun being this sick but you must know all about it as you have Lyme disease. Have you read anything by Shoemaker? Regards, Sharon Re: [miracle_mineral_ supplement] Re: Lyme disease with co- > infections > > > > I wouldn't particularly count on it removing the > toxins. I believe the 'job' of MMS is to kill pathogens, not remove > the toxins that follow the death of the pathogens. I would certainly > also have a protocol in place to help the body get rid of toxins, > like drinking lots of good water, salt baths, etc. The body goes > through the nausea and diarrhea after a strong dose of AMMS because > the MMS is killing off more pathogens (and there-by creating more > toxins) than the body can handle in the normal mode. Jim always says > the illness is not from the MMS itself, but from the toxins the body > is trying to get rid of--he says nothing, I think, of the MMS getting > rid of toxins (would have to go over the book again just to make > sure). So--in my opinion--it would be best to support the body's > detoxing as much as possible and not count on the MMS to get rid of > any toxins. > > > > Samala, > > > > > > -------Original Message----- -- > > > > Hi Jill I also wonder if it gets rid of the toxins. Toxins are > dead but cause all kinds of problems. With Lyme patients it occurs > after killing off a bacteria and with mold it's the mycotoxins. If > you are a certain genotype according to Dr. Shoemaker you can't > excrete toxins. Does MMS take care of these? It's so complex. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wilkins > > http//:www.juiceplus. com/+lw55887 > > The Children's Research Foundation Children 6-15 FREE for 3 years > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 I dont have a problem with you posting other useful or other websiteds and pages at this group. I am all about what will help us get the information we need to improve our health. IN NCscmillers <scmillers@...> wrote: I just started a DMSO loop if anyone is interested you can email me off loop, or if the moderator says it's okay I can post the DMSO loop info. and the H2O2.In Christ,Ava> > > I would like to warn everyone about the> effects> > of MMS from my experience. Once you have the diarrhea, and probably> > before, the MMS is not selective in killing pathogens. It seems to> > kill both the good and the bad. I have had a scalp thing on/off> for> > years. Before I started the MMS is was much better. No itching or> > hair loss. After starting the MMS my scalp began to get gradually> > worse. Then a stomach bug went round the house that caused a lot of> > purging. The diarrhea still has not stopped. I went to a> > dermatologist for my head that is not non-stop itching and hair> > falling out. I have a fungal thing. I believe the MMS removed all> > the good bacteria and allowed the fungus to flourish. Also, I> > developed a bad case of thrush that has not been responding to the> > probiotics while on the MMS. Since stopping it has gotten better.> > If you have diarrhea from it I would suggest you stop for a while> and> > replenish your system with lots of probiotics!> > > Even if you haven't gotten the runs, use a lot of probiotics so> > this doesn't happen to you.> > >> > > Just a word of warning to all you so you can take precautionary> > measures.> > >> > > > > >> > > -- Re: [miracle_mineral_ supplement] Re: Lyme disease with> > co-infections> > >> > >> > > You know I am under the care of an MD who is also a naturopath> > so I am taking toxin binding supplements but after taking the MMS> > my diarrhea is a lot worse. I'm on my fifth day of taking 15> drops> > twice a day and I have had to start and stop several times. I want> > so much to get through the two weeks on the full dose but I'm not> > sure if I will make it.> > >> > > Sharon> > >> > >> > > Re: [miracle_mineral_ supplement] Re: Lyme disease with> co-> > infections> > >> > > I wouldn't particularly count on it removing the> > toxins. I believe the 'job' of MMS is to kill pathogens, not remove> > the toxins that follow the death of the pathogens. I would> certainly> > also have a protocol in place to help the body get rid of toxins,> > like drinking lots of good water, salt baths, etc. The body goes> > through the nausea and diarrhea after a strong dose of AMMS because> > the MMS is killing off more pathogens (and there-by creating more> > toxins) than the body can handle in the normal mode. Jim always> says> > the illness is not from the MMS itself, but from the toxins the body> > is trying to get rid of--he says nothing, I think, of the MMS> getting> > rid of toxins (would have to go over the book again just to make> > sure). So--in my opinion--it would be best to support the body's> > detoxing as much as possible and not count on the MMS to get rid of> > any toxins.> > >> > > Samala,> > > > > >> > > -------Original Message----- --> > >> > > Hi Jill I also wonder if it gets rid of the toxins. Toxins are> > dead but cause all kinds of problems. With Lyme patients it occurs> > after killing off a bacteria and with mold it's the mycotoxins. If> > you are a certain genotype according to Dr. Shoemaker you can't> > excrete toxins. Does MMS take care of these? It's so complex.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Wilkins> > > http//:www.juiceplus. com/+lw55887> > > The Children's Research Foundation Children 6-15 FREE for 3 years> > >> > >> > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 Well, Sharon it sounds like you found one of the better doctors. Congratulations on being cancer free. But don't you think that if I have to say something perfectly worded so as not to offend most of us would not post at all. That says something more about you than me. We are all here to help each other. I am here to learn from others as well as to offer advice from personal experience. Take what resonates and leave the rest. What you take as "superior knowledge" is just an offer of advice from experience. I am sorry you found it so personally offensive. I hope everyone had a nice Thanksgiving dinner. -- Re: [ ] Re:a word of warning Dear , My MD doctor recommended the MMS. This information was in the last email. She is also a naturopath and holistic healer because she too has biotoxin disease as I have. I don't ever mind when someone says something as advice but when someone gives an order I don't like that at all. I too am teaching my doctors and I have many doctors I deal with because I am high risk for cancer. With my gene mutation I have an 82% chance of breast cancer and a 30% chance of ovarian as well as being high risk for colon, melanoma and pancreatic cancer so I must be doing something right because I still don't have cancer. when you come across as having superior knowledge when you don't even know me it does bother me. If you had said, if it were me I would stop the MMS...do you see the difference? Thanks and have a nice Thanksgiving. Regards, Sharon Re: [miracle_mineral_ supplement] Re: Lyme disease with co- > infections > > > > I wouldn't particularly count on it removing the > toxins. I believe the 'job' of MMS is to kill pathogens, not remove > the toxins that follow the death of the pathogens. I would certainly > also have a protocol in place to help the body get rid of toxins, > like drinking lots of good water, salt baths, etc. The body goes > through the nausea and diarrhea after a strong dose of AMMS because > the MMS is killing off more pathogens (and there-by creating more > toxins) than the body can handle in the normal mode. Jim always says > the illness is not from the MMS itself, but from the toxins the body > is trying to get rid of--he says nothing, I think, of the MMS getting > rid of toxins (would have to go over the book again just to make > sure). So--in my opinion--it would be best to support the body's > detoxing as much as possible and not count on the MMS to get rid of > any toxins. > > > > Samala, > > > > > > -------Original Message----- -- > > > > Hi Jill I also wonder if it gets rid of the toxins. Toxins are > dead but cause all kinds of problems. With Lyme patients it occurs > after killing off a bacteria and with mold it's the mycotoxins. If > you are a certain genotype according to Dr. Shoemaker you can't > excrete toxins. Does MMS take care of these? It's so complex. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wilkins > > http//:www.juiceplus. com/+lw55887 > > The Children's Research Foundation Children 6-15 FREE for 3 years > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 Thanks, they are posted. In Christ, Ava > > > > I would like to warn everyone about the > > effects > > > of MMS from my experience. Once you have the diarrhea, and > probably > > > before, the MMS is not selective in killing pathogens. It seems > to > > > kill both the good and the bad. I have had a scalp thing on/off > > for > > > years. Before I started the MMS is was much better. No itching > or > > > hair loss. After starting the MMS my scalp began to get gradually > > > worse. Then a stomach bug went round the house that caused a lot > of > > > purging. The diarrhea still has not stopped. I went to a > > > dermatologist for my head that is not non-stop itching and hair > > > falling out. I have a fungal thing. I believe the MMS removed > all > > > the good bacteria and allowed the fungus to flourish. Also, I > > > developed a bad case of thrush that has not been responding to the > > > probiotics while on the MMS. Since stopping it has gotten better. > > > If you have diarrhea from it I would suggest you stop for a while > > and > > > replenish your system with lots of probiotics! > > > > Even if you haven't gotten the runs, use a lot of probiotics so > > > this doesn't happen to you. > > > > > > > > Just a word of warning to all you so you can take > precautionary > > > measures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Re: [miracle_mineral_ supplement] Re: Lyme disease > with > > > co-infections > > > > > > > > > > > > You know I am under the care of an MD who is also a > naturopath > > > so I am taking toxin binding supplements but after taking the MMS > > > my diarrhea is a lot worse. I'm on my fifth day of taking 15 > > drops > > > twice a day and I have had to start and stop several times. I > want > > > so much to get through the two weeks on the full dose but I'm not > > > sure if I will make it. > > > > > > > > Sharon > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [miracle_mineral_ supplement] Re: Lyme disease with > > co- > > > infections > > > > > > > > I wouldn't particularly count on it removing the > > > toxins. I believe the 'job' of MMS is to kill pathogens, not > remove > > > the toxins that follow the death of the pathogens. I would > > certainly > > > also have a protocol in place to help the body get rid of toxins, > > > like drinking lots of good water, salt baths, etc. The body goes > > > through the nausea and diarrhea after a strong dose of AMMS > because > > > the MMS is killing off more pathogens (and there-by creating more > > > toxins) than the body can handle in the normal mode. Jim always > > says > > > the illness is not from the MMS itself, but from the toxins the > body > > > is trying to get rid of--he says nothing, I think, of the MMS > > getting > > > rid of toxins (would have to go over the book again just to make > > > sure). So--in my opinion--it would be best to support the body's > > > detoxing as much as possible and not count on the MMS to get rid > of > > > any toxins. > > > > > > > > Samala, > > > > > > > > > > > > -------Original Message----- -- > > > > > > > > Hi Jill I also wonder if it gets rid of the toxins. Toxins > are > > > dead but cause all kinds of problems. With Lyme patients it > occurs > > > after killing off a bacteria and with mold it's the mycotoxins. > If > > > you are a certain genotype according to Dr. Shoemaker you can't > > > excrete toxins. Does MMS take care of these? It's so complex. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wilkins > > > > http//:www.juiceplus. com/+lw55887 > > > > The Children's Research Foundation Children 6-15 FREE for 3 > years > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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