Guest guest Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 I'll keep that in mind when reading your posts however I do not consider my feelings as much a problem as an asset. If I had listened to half of what some of my moron doctors' had said I never would have found out about my disease. It's been a long journey but in a lot of ways I am grateful because I listen to my inner wisdom and not meaningless advice from doctors who are too busy to care about curing their patients. I realize now you meant no harm and if I took it the wrong way I am sorry. Sharon Re: [miracle_mineral_ supplement] Re: Lyme disease with co- > infections > > > > I wouldn't particularly count on it removing the > toxins. I believe the 'job' of MMS is to kill pathogens, not remove > the toxins that follow the death of the pathogens. I would certainly > also have a protocol in place to help the body get rid of toxins, > like drinking lots of good water, salt baths, etc. The body goes > through the nausea and diarrhea after a strong dose of AMMS because > the MMS is killing off more pathogens (and there-by creating more > toxins) than the body can handle in the normal mode. Jim always says > the illness is not from the MMS itself, but from the toxins the body > is trying to get rid of--he says nothing, I think, of the MMS getting > rid of toxins (would have to go over the book again just to make > sure). So--in my opinion--it would be best to support the body's > detoxing as much as possible and not count on the MMS to get rid of > any toxins. > > > > Samala, > > > > > > -------Original Message----- -- > > > > Hi Jill I also wonder if it gets rid of the toxins. Toxins are > dead but cause all kinds of problems. With Lyme patients it occurs > after killing off a bacteria and with mold it's the mycotoxins. If > you are a certain genotype according to Dr. Shoemaker you can't > excrete toxins. Does MMS take care of these? It's so complex. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wilkins > > http//:www.juiceplus. com/+lw55887 > > The Children's Research Foundation Children 6-15 FREE for 3 years > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 Most of my family, friends and acquaintances have died at the hands of so called " professionals " . My dentist was a " professional " . He gave me mercury poisoning. I have also witnessed " professionals " injecting vaccines containing mercury, among many other poisons into the arms of our babies. Fluoridation of our tooth paste and water was recommended by " professionals " . I believe Hitler and his SS troops were professionals. That word has Little meaning for me, Nor do their recommendations.I mean no disrespect to you at all sharon, All disrespect I have is for most of the so called " professionals " and their " professional " recommendations!!!!! Bob. > > > I would like to warn everyone about the > effects > > of MMS from my experience. Once you have the diarrhea, and probably > > before, the MMS is not selective in killing pathogens. It seems to > > kill both the good and the bad. I have had a scalp thing on/off > for > > years. Before I started the MMS is was much better. No itching or > > hair loss. After starting the MMS my scalp began to get gradually > > worse. Then a stomach bug went round the house that caused a lot of > > purging. The diarrhea still has not stopped. I went to a > > dermatologist for my head that is not non-stop itching and hair > > falling out. I have a fungal thing. I believe the MMS removed all > > the good bacteria and allowed the fungus to flourish. Also, I > > developed a bad case of thrush that has not been responding to the > > probiotics while on the MMS. Since stopping it has gotten better. > > If you have diarrhea from it I would suggest you stop for a while > and > > replenish your system with lots of probiotics! > > > Even if you haven't gotten the runs, use a lot of probiotics so > > this doesn't happen to you. > > > > > > Just a word of warning to all you so you can take precautionary > > measures. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Re: [miracle_mineral_ supplement] Re: Lyme disease with > > co-infections > > > > > > > > > You know I am under the care of an MD who is also a naturopath > > so I am taking toxin binding supplements but after taking the MMS > > my diarrhea is a lot worse. I'm on my fifth day of taking 15 > drops > > twice a day and I have had to start and stop several times. I want > > so much to get through the two weeks on the full dose but I'm not > > sure if I will make it. > > > > > > Sharon > > > > > > > > > Re: [miracle_mineral_ supplement] Re: Lyme disease with > co- > > infections > > > > > > I wouldn't particularly count on it removing the > > toxins. I believe the 'job' of MMS is to kill pathogens, not remove > > the toxins that follow the death of the pathogens. I would > certainly > > also have a protocol in place to help the body get rid of toxins, > > like drinking lots of good water, salt baths, etc. The body goes > > through the nausea and diarrhea after a strong dose of AMMS because > > the MMS is killing off more pathogens (and there-by creating more > > toxins) than the body can handle in the normal mode. Jim always > says > > the illness is not from the MMS itself, but from the toxins the body > > is trying to get rid of--he says nothing, I think, of the MMS > getting > > rid of toxins (would have to go over the book again just to make > > sure). So--in my opinion--it would be best to support the body's > > detoxing as much as possible and not count on the MMS to get rid of > > any toxins. > > > > > > Samala, > > > > > > > > > -------Original Message----- -- > > > > > > Hi Jill I also wonder if it gets rid of the toxins. Toxins are > > dead but cause all kinds of problems. With Lyme patients it occurs > > after killing off a bacteria and with mold it's the mycotoxins. If > > you are a certain genotype according to Dr. Shoemaker you can't > > excrete toxins. Does MMS take care of these? It's so complex. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wilkins > > > http//:www.juiceplus. com/+lw55887 > > > The Children's Research Foundation Children 6-15 FREE for 3 years > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 , hey I know what you mean, I remember the day I realized I knew more then my doctor did about health. All she knows about that I don't is drugs. I have to admit I was a little depressed cause I realized at that time that I was in this on my own. that is ofcourse untill I found you guys <smile> S > > > I would like to warn everyone about the > effects > > of MMS from my experience. Once you have the diarrhea, and probably > > before, the MMS is not selective in killing pathogens. It seems to > > kill both the good and the bad. I have had a scalp thing on/off > for > > years. Before I started the MMS is was much better. No itching or > > hair loss. After starting the MMS my scalp began to get gradually > > worse. Then a stomach bug went round the house that caused a lot of > > purging. The diarrhea still has not stopped. I went to a > > dermatologist for my head that is not non-stop itching and hair > > falling out. I have a fungal thing. I believe the MMS removed all > > the good bacteria and allowed the fungus to flourish. Also, I > > developed a bad case of thrush that has not been responding to the > > probiotics while on the MMS. Since stopping it has gotten better. > > If you have diarrhea from it I would suggest you stop for a while > and > > replenish your system with lots of probiotics! > > > Even if you haven't gotten the runs, use a lot of probiotics so > > this doesn't happen to you. > > > > > > Just a word of warning to all you so you can take precautionary > > measures. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Re: [miracle_mineral_ supplement] Re: Lyme disease with > > co-infections > > > > > > > > > You know I am under the care of an MD who is also a naturopath > > so I am taking toxin binding supplements but after taking the MMS > > my diarrhea is a lot worse. I'm on my fifth day of taking 15 > drops > > twice a day and I have had to start and stop several times. I want > > so much to get through the two weeks on the full dose but I'm not > > sure if I will make it. > > > > > > Sharon > > > > > > > > > Re: [miracle_mineral_ supplement] Re: Lyme disease with > co- > > infections > > > > > > I wouldn't particularly count on it removing the > > toxins. I believe the 'job' of MMS is to kill pathogens, not remove > > the toxins that follow the death of the pathogens. I would > certainly > > also have a protocol in place to help the body get rid of toxins, > > like drinking lots of good water, salt baths, etc. The body goes > > through the nausea and diarrhea after a strong dose of AMMS because > > the MMS is killing off more pathogens (and there-by creating more > > toxins) than the body can handle in the normal mode. Jim always > says > > the illness is not from the MMS itself, but from the toxins the body > > is trying to get rid of--he says nothing, I think, of the MMS > getting > > rid of toxins (would have to go over the book again just to make > > sure). So--in my opinion--it would be best to support the body's > > detoxing as much as possible and not count on the MMS to get rid of > > any toxins. > > > > > > Samala, > > > > > > > > > -------Original Message----- -- > > > > > > Hi Jill I also wonder if it gets rid of the toxins. Toxins are > > dead but cause all kinds of problems. With Lyme patients it occurs > > after killing off a bacteria and with mold it's the mycotoxins. If > > you are a certain genotype according to Dr. Shoemaker you can't > > excrete toxins. Does MMS take care of these? It's so complex. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wilkins > > > http//:www.juiceplus. com/+lw55887 > > > The Children's Research Foundation Children 6-15 FREE for 3 years > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 Val, i have no desire at all to get drunk and it just doesn't happen unless i very definitely do lose a certain balance. -----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ]On Behalf Of Valery GalperinSent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [ ] Re:a word of warning Bob, if you will get drunk, you may loose your balance. Not the opposite. ;>))) Val RE: [ ] Re:a word of warning ....aren't both often true? -----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ]On Behalf Of Valery GalperinSent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [ ] Re:a word of warning > Disease causes an acid state. No, quite an opposite. Acid state causes disease. Val Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 i think you might be wrong Val. i can't say i have any solid knowledge on these matters, but it seems to me that disease states can contribute to acidifying things as well as an acidic state causing or contributing to disease states. i'd be interested to read into an explanation of how that's not true. unfortunately i don't have time or money to read more books for the time being...but the whole pH thing is something i want to learn in more depth eventually. -----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ]On Behalf Of Valery GalperinSent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [ ] Re:a word of warning No, Bob. RE: [ ] Re:a word of warning ....aren't both often true? -----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ]On Behalf Of Valery GalperinSent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [ ] Re:a word of warning > Disease causes an acid state. No, quite an opposite. Acid state causes disease. Val Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 I totally agree with you Bob. Have you heard that a new law they passed will require all Americans to be vaccinated should there be a terrorist threat of biowarfare? I'm not sure if it passed but I am worried that they are even thinking along these lines. It opens the door to the FDA and gives that unlimited power. They do not have the best interest of the American people at heart it's more the best interest of Big Pharma. Scary! Sharon Re: [miracle_mineral_ supplement] Re: Lyme disease with> co-> > infections> > >> > > I wouldn't particularly count on it removing the> > toxins. I believe the 'job' of MMS is to kill pathogens, not remove> > the toxins that follow the death of the pathogens. I would> certainly> > also have a protocol in place to help the body get rid of toxins,> > like drinking lots of good water, salt baths, etc. The body goes> > through the nausea and diarrhea after a strong dose of AMMS because> > the MMS is killing off more pathogens (and there-by creating more> > toxins) than the body can handle in the normal mode. Jim always> says> > the illness is not from the MMS itself, but from the toxins the body> > is trying to get rid of--he says nothing, I think, of the MMS> getting> > rid of toxins (would have to go over the book again just to make> > sure). So--in my opinion--it would be best to support the body's> > detoxing as much as possible and not count on the MMS to get rid of> > any toxins.> > >> > > Samala,> > > > > >> > > -------Original Message----- --> > >> > > Hi Jill I also wonder if it gets rid of the toxins. Toxins are> > dead but cause all kinds of problems. With Lyme patients it occurs> > after killing off a bacteria and with mold it's the mycotoxins. If> > you are a certain genotype according to Dr. Shoemaker you can't> > excrete toxins. Does MMS take care of these? It's so complex.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Wilkins> > > http//:www.juiceplu s. com/+lw55887> > > The Children's Research Foundation Children 6-15 FREE for 3 years> > >> > >> > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 Yes, I have heard about that. None of this would be happening if we " Took a Stand " . Maybe we should let the this video link be an example. http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2007/10/13/amazing-wildlife-m\ etaphor-of-how-you-can-make-a-difference.aspx Bob. > > > > I would like to warn everyone about the > > effects > > > of MMS from my experience. Once you have the diarrhea, and probably > > > before, the MMS is not selective in killing pathogens. It seems to > > > kill both the good and the bad. I have had a scalp thing on/off > > for > > > years. Before I started the MMS is was much better. No itching or > > > hair loss. After starting the MMS my scalp began to get gradually > > > worse. Then a stomach bug went round the house that caused a lot of > > > purging. The diarrhea still has not stopped. I went to a > > > dermatologist for my head that is not non-stop itching and hair > > > falling out. I have a fungal thing. I believe the MMS removed all > > > the good bacteria and allowed the fungus to flourish. Also, I > > > developed a bad case of thrush that has not been responding to the > > > probiotics while on the MMS. Since stopping it has gotten better. > > > If you have diarrhea from it I would suggest you stop for a while > > and > > > replenish your system with lots of probiotics! > > > > Even if you haven't gotten the runs, use a lot of probiotics so > > > this doesn't happen to you. > > > > > > > > Just a word of warning to all you so you can take precautionary > > > measures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Re: [miracle_mineral_ supplement] Re: Lyme disease with > > > co-infections > > > > > > > > > > > > You know I am under the care of an MD who is also a naturopath > > > so I am taking toxin binding supplements but after taking the MMS > > > my diarrhea is a lot worse. I'm on my fifth day of taking 15 > > drops > > > twice a day and I have had to start and stop several times. I want > > > so much to get through the two weeks on the full dose but I'm not > > > sure if I will make it. > > > > > > > > Sharon > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [miracle_mineral_ supplement] Re: Lyme disease with > > co- > > > infections > > > > > > > > I wouldn't particularly count on it removing the > > > toxins. I believe the 'job' of MMS is to kill pathogens, not remove > > > the toxins that follow the death of the pathogens. I would > > certainly > > > also have a protocol in place to help the body get rid of toxins, > > > like drinking lots of good water, salt baths, etc. The body goes > > > through the nausea and diarrhea after a strong dose of AMMS because > > > the MMS is killing off more pathogens (and there-by creating more > > > toxins) than the body can handle in the normal mode. Jim always > > says > > > the illness is not from the MMS itself, but from the toxins the body > > > is trying to get rid of--he says nothing, I think, of the MMS > > getting > > > rid of toxins (would have to go over the book again just to make > > > sure). So--in my opinion--it would be best to support the body's > > > detoxing as much as possible and not count on the MMS to get rid of > > > any toxins. > > > > > > > > Samala, > > > > > > > > > > > > -------Original Message----- -- > > > > > > > > Hi Jill I also wonder if it gets rid of the toxins. Toxins are > > > dead but cause all kinds of problems. With Lyme patients it occurs > > > after killing off a bacteria and with mold it's the mycotoxins. If > > > you are a certain genotype according to Dr. Shoemaker you can't > > > excrete toxins. Does MMS take care of these? It's so complex. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wilkins > > > > http//:www.juiceplu s. com/+lw55887 > > > > The Children's Research Foundation Children 6-15 FREE for 3 years > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 Sharon, I too want to get better as fast as I can. I am a very gung ho person when it comes to these things-all out attack! But my experience with the attack of vomiting and diarrhea taught me a lesson. I need to go very slow and use my bowels as a guide of when I can move up. Kathy is a good example of this. I have not read anything about Shoemaker. My daughter took that VCS test her doctor ordered to test for biotoxins. That is all I know about him. -- Re: [ ] Re:a word of warning Thanks , What you say makes sense. I am thinking I am killing something in me that needs to die and of course I want so bad to get well. It's not fun being this sick but you must know all about it as you have Lyme disease. Have you read anything by Shoemaker? Regards, Sharon Re: [miracle_mineral_ supplement] Re: Lyme disease with co- > infections > > > > I wouldn't particularly count on it removing the > toxins. I believe the 'job' of MMS is to kill pathogens, not remove > the toxins that follow the death of the pathogens. I would certainly > also have a protocol in place to help the body get rid of toxins, > like drinking lots of good water, salt baths, etc. The body goes > through the nausea and diarrhea after a strong dose of AMMS because > the MMS is killing off more pathogens (and there-by creating more > toxins) than the body can handle in the normal mode. Jim always says > the illness is not from the MMS itself, but from the toxins the body > is trying to get rid of--he says nothing, I think, of the MMS getting > rid of toxins (would have to go over the book again just to make > sure). So--in my opinion--it would be best to support the body's > detoxing as much as possible and not count on the MMS to get rid of > any toxins. > > > > Samala, > > > > > > -------Original Message----- -- > > > > Hi Jill I also wonder if it gets rid of the toxins. Toxins are > dead but cause all kinds of problems. With Lyme patients it occurs > after killing off a bacteria and with mold it's the mycotoxins. If > you are a certain genotype according to Dr. Shoemaker you can't > excrete toxins. Does MMS take care of these? It's so complex. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wilkins > > http//:www.juiceplus. com/+lw55887 > > The Children's Research Foundation Children 6-15 FREE for 3 years > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 the thing I gathered from Dr. Shoemakers work is that some of us have markers on the HLA-DR. In layman's terms it's a defective toxin clearer. If you have one of these markers you will not be able to clear toxins. Chronic lyme patients will have one or two of these markers specific to Lyme. According to Shoemaker if you have one of these markers you will not be able to clear the toxins without the help of toxin binding drugs or toxin binding supplements. I'm on toxin binding supplements. I may fly down to see Shoemaker and get tested for these markers. I believe one exists for nickel. The testing is covered by my insurance. I'll let you know if I do. It makes me wonder with the problems I have had with my bowels if I don't have one of these markers. Regards, Sharon Re: [miracle_mineral_ supplement] Re: Lyme disease with co- > infections > > > > I wouldn't particularly count on it removing the > toxins. I believe the 'job' of MMS is to kill pathogens, not remove > the toxins that follow the death of the pathogens. I would certainly > also have a protocol in place to help the body get rid of toxins, > like drinking lots of good water, salt baths, etc. The body goes > through the nausea and diarrhea after a strong dose of AMMS because > the MMS is killing off more pathogens (and there-by creating more > toxins) than the body can handle in the normal mode. Jim always says > the illness is not from the MMS itself, but from the toxins the body > is trying to get rid of--he says nothing, I think, of the MMS getting > rid of toxins (would have to go over the book again just to make > sure). So--in my opinion--it would be best to support the body's > detoxing as much as possible and not count on the MMS to get rid of > any toxins. > > > > Samala, > > > > > > -------Original Message----- -- > > > > Hi Jill I also wonder if it gets rid of the toxins. Toxins are > dead but cause all kinds of problems. With Lyme patients it occurs > after killing off a bacteria and with mold it's the mycotoxins. If > you are a certain genotype according to Dr. Shoemaker you can't > excrete toxins. Does MMS take care of these? It's so complex. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wilkins > > http//:www.juiceplus. com/+lw55887 > > The Children's Research Foundation Children 6-15 FREE for 3 years > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 I have definitely heard of the gene marker test for detox ability. I too have a hard time detoxing. My FIR sauna has helped a lot though. Did you take the VCS test online? -- Re: [ ] Re:a word of warning the thing I gathered from Dr. Shoemakers work is that some of us have markers on the HLA-DR. In layman's terms it's a defective toxin clearer. If you have one of these markers you will not be able to clear toxins. Chronic lyme patients will have one or two of these markers specific to Lyme. According to Shoemaker if you have one of these markers you will not be able to clear the toxins without the help of toxin binding drugs or toxin binding supplements. I'm on toxin binding supplements. I may fly down to see Shoemaker and get tested for these markers. I believe one exists for nickel. The testing is covered by my insurance. I'll let you know if I do. It makes me wonder with the problems I have had with my bowels if I don't have one of these markers. Regards, Sharon Re: [miracle_mineral_ supplement] Re: Lyme disease with co- > infections > > > > I wouldn't particularly count on it removing the > toxins. I believe the 'job' of MMS is to kill pathogens, not remove > the toxins that follow the death of the pathogens. I would certainly > also have a protocol in place to help the body get rid of toxins, > like drinking lots of good water, salt baths, etc. The body goes > through the nausea and diarrhea after a strong dose of AMMS because > the MMS is killing off more pathogens (and there-by creating more > toxins) than the body can handle in the normal mode. Jim always says > the illness is not from the MMS itself, but from the toxins the body > is trying to get rid of--he says nothing, I think, of the MMS getting > rid of toxins (would have to go over the book again just to make > sure). So--in my opinion--it would be best to support the body's > detoxing as much as possible and not count on the MMS to get rid of > any toxins. > > > > Samala, > > > > > > -------Original Message----- -- > > > > Hi Jill I also wonder if it gets rid of the toxins. Toxins are > dead but cause all kinds of problems. With Lyme patients it occurs > after killing off a bacteria and with mold it's the mycotoxins. If > you are a certain genotype according to Dr. Shoemaker you can't > excrete toxins. Does MMS take care of these? It's so complex. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wilkins > > http//:www.juiceplus. com/+lw55887 > > The Children's Research Foundation Children 6-15 FREE for 3 years > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 I took it online and it came back negative so I took it at Kolb, MD's office and it was highly positive. It doesn't tell you which biotoxin you have been exposed to or the detox thing. She has worked with Dr. Shoemaker but she is a naturopath. I went to her because she understood metals, breasts and biotoxin disease and she was a naturopath whereas Shoemaker is a traditionalist. I beleive I am finally having some improvement. Did I tell you the mold took out my hypothalamus. It doesn't know what the hell it is doing anymore. LOL. I'm almost off of the steroids though down from 20mg a day to 2.5mg a day of hydrocortisone. I am very fatigued all the time but I also have a Cushings like state as well (this is too much cortisol). I have a buffalo hump, frontal obesity and swelling in my neck. I'm a mess but gettting better. I wish I had access to sauna. If I get a job I may join a club that has one. Best regards, Sharon ----From: susan <ssiegel5@...> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 11:39:38 AMSubject: Re: [ ] Re:a word of warning I have definitely heard of the gene marker test for detox ability. I too have a hard time detoxing. My FIR sauna has helped a lot though. Did you take the VCS test online? -- Re: [miracle_mineral_ supplement] Re:a word of warning the thing I gathered from Dr. Shoemakers work is that some of us have markers on the HLA-DR. In layman's terms it's a defective toxin clearer. If you have one of these markers you will not be able to clear toxins. Chronic lyme patients will have one or two of these markers specific to Lyme. According to Shoemaker if you have one of these markers you will not be able to clear the toxins without the help of toxin binding drugs or toxin binding supplements. I'm on toxin binding supplements. I may fly down to see Shoemaker and get tested for these markers. I believe one exists for nickel. The testing is covered by my insurance. I'll let you know if I do. It makes me wonder with the problems I have had with my bowels if I don't have one of these markers. Regards, Sharon Re: [miracle_mineral_ supplement] Re: Lyme disease with co- > infections > > > > I wouldn't particularly count on it removing the > toxins. I believe the 'job' of MMS is to kill pathogens, not remove > the toxins that follow the death of the pathogens. I would certainly > also have a protocol in place to help the body get rid of toxins, > like drinking lots of good water, salt baths, etc. The body goes > through the nausea and diarrhea after a strong dose of AMMS because > the MMS is killing off more pathogens (and there-by creating more > toxins) than the body can handle in the normal mode. Jim always says > the illness is not from the MMS itself, but from the toxins the body > is trying to get rid of--he says nothing, I think, of the MMS getting > rid of toxins (would have to go over the book again just to make > sure). So--in my opinion--it would be best to support the body's > detoxing as much as possible and not count on the MMS to get rid of > any toxins. > > > > Samala, > > > > > > -------Original Message----- -- > > > > Hi Jill I also wonder if it gets rid of the toxins. Toxins are > dead but cause all kinds of problems. With Lyme patients it occurs > after killing off a bacteria and with mold it's the mycotoxins. If > you are a certain genotype according to Dr. Shoemaker you can't > excrete toxins. Does MMS take care of these? It's so complex. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wilkins > > http//:www.juiceplus. com/+lw55887 > > The Children's Research Foundation Children 6-15 FREE for 3 years > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 Wow sharon all of us would benifit from knowing specifics on toxin binding supplements and which were the best for us to take. My guess is that even if we dont have the defect we could still benifit from taking them because we are all so very ill. please share info about this when you see the doc if you feel you can. I hope all is successful with you. S > > > I would like to warn everyone about the > effects > > of MMS from my experience. Once you have the diarrhea, and probably > > before, the MMS is not selective in killing pathogens. It seems to > > kill both the good and the bad. I have had a scalp thing on/off > for > > years. Before I started the MMS is was much better. No itching or > > hair loss. After starting the MMS my scalp began to get gradually > > worse. Then a stomach bug went round the house that caused a lot of > > purging. The diarrhea still has not stopped. I went to a > > dermatologist for my head that is not non-stop itching and hair > > falling out. I have a fungal thing. I believe the MMS removed all > > the good bacteria and allowed the fungus to flourish. Also, I > > developed a bad case of thrush that has not been responding to the > > probiotics while on the MMS. Since stopping it has gotten better. > > If you have diarrhea from it I would suggest you stop for a while > and > > replenish your system with lots of probiotics! > > > Even if you haven't gotten the runs, use a lot of probiotics so > > this doesn't happen to you. > > > > > > Just a word of warning to all you so you can take precautionary > > measures. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Re: [miracle_mineral_ supplement] Re: Lyme disease with > > co-infections > > > > > > > > > You know I am under the care of an MD who is also a naturopath > > so I am taking toxin binding supplements but after taking the MMS > > my diarrhea is a lot worse. I'm on my fifth day of taking 15 > drops > > twice a day and I have had to start and stop several times. I want > > so much to get through the two weeks on the full dose but I'm not > > sure if I will make it. > > > > > > Sharon > > > > > > > > > Re: [miracle_mineral_ supplement] Re: Lyme disease with > co- > > infections > > > > > > I wouldn't particularly count on it removing the > > toxins. I believe the 'job' of MMS is to kill pathogens, not remove > > the toxins that follow the death of the pathogens. I would > certainly > > also have a protocol in place to help the body get rid of toxins, > > like drinking lots of good water, salt baths, etc. The body goes > > through the nausea and diarrhea after a strong dose of AMMS because > > the MMS is killing off more pathogens (and there-by creating more > > toxins) than the body can handle in the normal mode. Jim always > says > > the illness is not from the MMS itself, but from the toxins the body > > is trying to get rid of--he says nothing, I think, of the MMS > getting > > rid of toxins (would have to go over the book again just to make > > sure). So--in my opinion--it would be best to support the body's > > detoxing as much as possible and not count on the MMS to get rid of > > any toxins. > > > > > > Samala, > > > > > > > > > -------Original Message----- -- > > > > > > Hi Jill I also wonder if it gets rid of the toxins. Toxins are > > dead but cause all kinds of problems. With Lyme patients it occurs > > after killing off a bacteria and with mold it's the mycotoxins. If > > you are a certain genotype according to Dr. Shoemaker you can't > > excrete toxins. Does MMS take care of these? It's so complex. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wilkins > > > http//:www.juiceplus. com/+lw55887 > > > The Children's Research Foundation Children 6-15 FREE for 3 years > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 Kolb, MD will be publishing a book here soon that will have her protocol in it. I am doing work now for my husband's business and will email with the toxin binding supplements when I get done with this work. You can also check out Dr. Shoemakers website at www.biotoxin.info I believe he has his protocol on there but he is more of a traditionalist than Dr. Kolb. I have nothing bad to say about Shoemaker as he has done an incredible job curing people with biotoxin disease. He has my respect. Best regards, Sharon Re: [miracle_mineral_ supplement] Re: Lyme disease with> co-> > infections> > >> > > I wouldn't particularly count on it removing the> > toxins. I believe the 'job' of MMS is to kill pathogens, not remove> > the toxins that follow the death of the pathogens. I would> certainly> > also have a protocol in place to help the body get rid of toxins,> > like drinking lots of good water, salt baths, etc. The body goes> > through the nausea and diarrhea after a strong dose of AMMS because> > the MMS is killing off more pathogens (and there-by creating more> > toxins) than the body can handle in the normal mode. Jim always> says> > the illness is not from the MMS itself, but from the toxins the body> > is trying to get rid of--he says nothing, I think, of the MMS> getting> > rid of toxins (would have to go over the book again just to make> > sure). So--in my opinion--it would be best to support the body's> > detoxing as much as possible and not count on the MMS to get rid of> > any toxins.> > >> > > Samala,> > > > > >> > > -------Original Message----- --> > >> > > Hi Jill I also wonder if it gets rid of the toxins. Toxins are> > dead but cause all kinds of problems. With Lyme patients it occurs> > after killing off a bacteria and with mold it's the mycotoxins. If> > you are a certain genotype according to Dr. Shoemaker you can't> > excrete toxins. Does MMS take care of these? It's so complex.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Wilkins> > > http//:www.juiceplu s. com/+lw55887> > > The Children's Research Foundation Children 6-15 FREE for 3 years> > >> > >> > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 How about bentonite (clay)? By mouth or in the bath. How about clay baths? I researched a lot on it, but haven't been able to get it going. Was trying to get a tub off of freecycle to set up on the back porch (which is isolated). Pick up clay from a town a few hours away (very inexpensive), put it into the tub with water so that it will all be sludge within a few days to a week. Bath in the tub as often as you want, limit times at first, go slow. Heat it up, by adding a large pot of water prior to getting in. Use a cup to get the excess water off of the tub prior to adding the hot water, and getting in. You can order bentonite clay for bathing in on the internet, but shop around for the best prices. You are liable to find the best prices at pottery suppliers, that sell 50 lb bags (some probably sell smaller bags too). The clay turns black as toxins are pulled out of the body. If you have time, do some online research. How about epsom salt baths, it helps to pull toxins out too. In Christ, Ava > > > > I would like to warn everyone about the > > effects > > > of MMS from my experience. Once you have the diarrhea, and > probably > > > before, the MMS is not selective in killing pathogens. It seems > to > > > kill both the good and the bad. I have had a scalp thing on/off > > for > > > years. Before I started the MMS is was much better. No itching > or > > > hair loss. After starting the MMS my scalp began to get gradually > > > worse. Then a stomach bug went round the house that caused a lot > of > > > purging. The diarrhea still has not stopped. I went to a > > > dermatologist for my head that is not non-stop itching and hair > > > falling out. I have a fungal thing. I believe the MMS removed > all > > > the good bacteria and allowed the fungus to flourish. Also, I > > > developed a bad case of thrush that has not been responding to the > > > probiotics while on the MMS. Since stopping it has gotten better. > > > If you have diarrhea from it I would suggest you stop for a while > > and > > > replenish your system with lots of probiotics! > > > > Even if you haven't gotten the runs, use a lot of probiotics so > > > this doesn't happen to you. > > > > > > > > Just a word of warning to all you so you can take > precautionary > > > measures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Re: [miracle_mineral_ supplement] Re: Lyme disease > with > > > co-infections > > > > > > > > > > > > You know I am under the care of an MD who is also a > naturopath > > > so I am taking toxin binding supplements but after taking the MMS > > > my diarrhea is a lot worse. I'm on my fifth day of taking 15 > > drops > > > twice a day and I have had to start and stop several times. I > want > > > so much to get through the two weeks on the full dose but I'm not > > > sure if I will make it. > > > > > > > > Sharon > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [miracle_mineral_ supplement] Re: Lyme disease with > > co- > > > infections > > > > > > > > I wouldn't particularly count on it removing the > > > toxins. I believe the 'job' of MMS is to kill pathogens, not > remove > > > the toxins that follow the death of the pathogens. I would > > certainly > > > also have a protocol in place to help the body get rid of toxins, > > > like drinking lots of good water, salt baths, etc. The body goes > > > through the nausea and diarrhea after a strong dose of AMMS > because > > > the MMS is killing off more pathogens (and there-by creating more > > > toxins) than the body can handle in the normal mode. Jim always > > says > > > the illness is not from the MMS itself, but from the toxins the > body > > > is trying to get rid of--he says nothing, I think, of the MMS > > getting > > > rid of toxins (would have to go over the book again just to make > > > sure). So--in my opinion--it would be best to support the body's > > > detoxing as much as possible and not count on the MMS to get rid > of > > > any toxins. > > > > > > > > Samala, > > > > > > > > > > > > -------Original Message----- -- > > > > > > > > Hi Jill I also wonder if it gets rid of the toxins. Toxins > are > > > dead but cause all kinds of problems. With Lyme patients it > occurs > > > after killing off a bacteria and with mold it's the mycotoxins. > If > > > you are a certain genotype according to Dr. Shoemaker you can't > > > excrete toxins. Does MMS take care of these? It's so complex. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wilkins > > > > http//:www.juiceplus. com/+lw55887 > > > > The Children's Research Foundation Children 6-15 FREE for 3 > years > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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