RE: lyme warning

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For those with lyme using MMS, I would like to relate my experience. I have been using MMS for several months now. I ramped up very slowly to 10-12 drops with slight nausea. But what I am finding out from mine and my family's experience is that you may not necessarily be able to stay at that dose. Lyme disease has active and dormant stages. If you have been using the MMS in a more dormant stage and been able to up your dosage, when it becomes active you may get sick (vomiting, diarrhea) and have to drop back. Us lymies have to take into consideration these active and non-active stages of this disease.

This happened to my daughter this morning. She has been on 6 drops for about 1-2 months with no problems. Then today (after complaining for awhile of neck pain and being a bit more fatigued) she threw up after the 6 drop dose ...and she had a full tummy.

So please, please, all you lymies lurking out there... Take caution when upping doses or if you think you are more symptomatic than normal try cutting back a bit till you feel better.

S.

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Hi and all-

I’m new to the group and have finally read most of the messages in the archives (well, I read forward from 300). I’ve been taking MMS for a few weeks and (very conservatively) am taking 8 drops at bedtime, increasing very slowly (I tend to get migraines from too much detoxing at one time). I have Lyme. So far I’ve notice a fairly significant increase in energy (chronic fatigue has been my main symptom – Lyme for 20 years).

, would it be OK to share your testimonial with a couple of Lyme groups in which folks are using MMS?

Thanks,

Dana

[Guest guest]

,

thank you for that post, it is alway easier to go through something

if we know what to expect. atleast we will know when our Lyme is out

of L-Form too.

S

>

> For those with lyme using MMS, I would like to relate my

experience. I have

> been using MMS for several months now. I ramped up very slowly to

10-12

> drops with slight nausea. But what I am finding out from mine and

my family

> s experience is that you may not necessarily be able to stay at

that dose.

> Lyme disease has active and dormant stages. If you have been using

the MMS

> in a more dormant stage and been able to up your dosage, when it

becomes

> active you may get sick (vomiting, diarrhea) and have to drop

back. Us

> lymies have to take into consideration these active and non-active

stages of

> this disease.

>

> This happened to my daughter this morning. She has been on 6 drops

for

> about 1-2 months with no problems. Then today (after complaining

for awhile

> of neck pain and being a bit more fatigued) she threw up after the

6 drop

> dose ...and she had a full tummy.

>

> So please, please, all you lymies lurking out there... Take caution

when

> upping doses or if you think you are more symptomatic than normal

try

> cutting back a bit till you feel better.

>

> S.

>

> -- RE: [ ] testimonial

>

> Hi and all-

> I'm new to the group and have finally read most of the messages in

the

> archives (well, I read forward from 300). I've been taking MMS for

a few

> weeks and (very conservatively) am taking 8 drops at bedtime,

increasing

> very slowly (I tend to get migraines from too much detoxing at one

time). I

> have Lyme. So far I've notice a fairly significant increase in

energy

> (chronic fatigue has been my main symptom – Lyme for 20 years).

>

> , would it be OK to share your testimonial with a couple of

Lyme groups

> in which folks are using MMS?

> Thanks,

> Dana

>

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Hey ,

Thanks for the warning, I will pass this along to

others who have been having some horendous herxes on

higher doses. Do you think that the MMS might

actually be putting the spirochetes into a cyst form?

I have been wondering that for awhile since the

delivery system is via the blood stream as is

antibiotics. We all know that antibiotics put the

spirochetes into a cyst. This thought concerns me as

I have read that spirochetes can remain in a cyst for

as much as 6 years. My doc told me not to do Samento

in the beginning and treat the Lyme with Rife as I

needed to reduce the spirochete load first. I am

going to reserve the Samento for when the rife doesn't

seem to be making much progress. I ordered the MMS

and haven't started it yet, but because I have to work

am going to take it very slow. Take care.

The other

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how long does it take for the lymes to react and go into cyst form? that's

a window of vulnerability to exploit... how large/narrow is it?

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>

>

> Hey ,

>

> Thanks for the warning, I will pass this along to

> others who have been having some horendous herxes on

> higher doses. Do you think that the MMS might

> actually be putting the spirochetes into a cyst form?

> I have been wondering that for awhile since the

> delivery system is via the blood stream as is

> antibiotics. We all know that antibiotics put the

> spirochetes into a cyst. This thought concerns me as

> I have read that spirochetes can remain in a cyst for

> as much as 6 years. My doc told me not to do Samento

> in the beginning and treat the Lyme with Rife as I

> needed to reduce the spirochete load first. I am

> going to reserve the Samento for when the rife doesn't

> seem to be making much progress. I ordered the MMS

> and haven't started it yet, but because I have to work

> am going to take it very slow. Take care.

>

> The other

>

>

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Hi -

I don’t know for sure, but I don’t

believe chlorine dioxide (activated MMS) would put spirochetes into cyst form. More

than likely, chlorine dioxide would, if anything, tend to break down cysts

(which are composed of biofilm). Someone posted a web link which discusses

chlorine dioxide for “disinfection.” Here’s the link and a

quote relating to biofilms:

http://www.chlorine-dioxide.com/index.asp?option=chem

[this paragraph relates to removing iron

contaminants from water but may be pertinent to what CD does in the human body]

“Above pH 5, the resulting insoluble

(ferric) form of iron is 99% removable by a 0.45 micron filter after five

minutes. chlorine dioxide has been reported to oxidise organically-bound iron.

Excess free chlorine residuals (>5mg / l) could not control the iron

bacteria, presumably because the organically bound iron was chlorine non

reactive and yet remained bio available to the bacteria in the attached

biofilms. Chlorine dioxide is used to control these biofilms. It removes the

attached bacteria and exposes them to the disinfectant while the iron is being

oxidised.”

Perhaps the delayed herxes some Lymies are

getting results from MMS breaking down biofilms and releasing more spirochetes

(I don’t know this to be true but it seems possible).

Best,

Dana

From:

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On Behalf Of Blanton

I have been wondering that for awhile since the

delivery system is via the blood stream as is

antibiotics. We all know that antibiotics put the

spirochetes into a cyst. This thought concerns me as

I have read that spirochetes can remain in a cyst for

as much as 6 years.

[Guest guest]

Good thought Dana. Maybe that's what I just did. Hmmm...

Naomi

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Hi -

I don’t know for sure, but I don’t believe chlorine dioxide (activated MMS) would put spirochetes into cyst form. More than likely, chlorine dioxide would, if anything, tend to break down cysts (which are composed of biofilm). Someone posted a web link which discusses chlorine dioxide for “disinfection.” Here’s the link and a quote relating to biofilms:

http://www.chlorine-dioxide.com/index.asp?option=chem

[this paragraph relates to removing iron contaminants from water but may be pertinent to what CD does in the human body]

“Above pH 5, the resulting insoluble (ferric) form of iron is 99% removable by a 0.45 micron filter after five minutes. chlorine dioxide has been reported to oxidise organically-bound iron. Excess free chlorine residuals (>5mg / l) could not control the iron bacteria, presumably because the organically bound iron was chlorine non reactive and yet remained bio available to the bacteria in the attached biofilms. Chlorine dioxide is used to control these biofilms. It removes the attached bacteria and exposes them to the disinfectant while the iron is being oxidised.”

Perhaps the delayed herxes some Lymies are getting results from MMS breaking down biofilms and releasing more spirochetes (I don’t know this to be true but it seems possible).

Best,

Dana

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Blanton

I have been wondering that for awhile since thedelivery system is via the blood stream as isantibiotics. We all know that antibiotics put thespirochetes into a cyst. This thought concerns me asI have read that spirochetes can remain in a cyst foras much as 6 years.

[Guest guest]

,Just curious, what type of Rife machine are you using. Blanton <sueblanton@...> wrote: Hey , I am going to reserve the Samento for when the rife doesn't seem to be making much progress. I ordered the MMS and haven't started it yet, but because I have to work am going to take it very slow. Take care. The other __________________________________________________________ Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile./sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ Regards, Carol Ann ~ The only thing that is different is how you think..http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html

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Hi Other ,

You can also use systemic enzymes to get at the cysts. Rechts Regulat (an enzyme product from Biopureus.Com) is very effective for this. I use a variety of systemic enzymes once a day (pancreatic, Neprinol) for this purpose.

S.

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Hi -

I don’t know for sure, but I don’t believe chlorine dioxide (activated MMS) would put spirochetes into cyst form. More than likely, chlorine dioxide would, if anything, tend to break down cysts (which are composed of biofilm). Someone posted a web link which discusses chlorine dioxide for “disinfection.” Here’s the link and a quote relating to biofilms:

http://www.chlorine-dioxide.com/index.asp?option=chem

[this paragraph relates to removing iron contaminants from water but may be pertinent to what CD does in the human body]

“Above pH 5, the resulting insoluble (ferric) form of iron is 99% removable by a 0.45 micron filter after five minutes. chlorine dioxide has been reported to oxidise organically-bound iron. Excess free chlorine residuals (>5mg / l) could not control the iron bacteria, presumably because the organically bound iron was chlorine non reactive and yet remained bio available to the bacteria in the attached biofilms. Chlorine dioxide is used to control these biofilms. It removes the attached bacteria and exposes them to the disinfectant while the iron is being oxidised.”

Perhaps the delayed herxes some Lymies are getting results from MMS breaking down biofilms and releasing more spirochetes (I don’t know this to be true but it seems possible).

Best,

Dana

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Blanton

I have been wondering that for awhile since thedelivery system is via the blood stream as isantibiotics. We all know that antibiotics put thespirochetes into a cyst. This thought concerns me asI have read that spirochetes can remain in a cyst foras much as 6 years.

[Guest guest]

Hi Other ,

I don't know if the MMS gets the cysts, but you can take systemic digestive enzymes that are supposed to eat the biofilm coating off of them. Biopureus.Com sell a product called Rechts Regulat (liquid fermented ) that helps with thickened blood and dissolves the cysts. It is expensive though. I use a variety of systemic enzymes during the day.

S.

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Hey ,

Thanks for the warning, I will pass this along to

others who have been having some horendous herxes on

higher doses. Do you think that the MMS might

actually be putting the spirochetes into a cyst form?

I have been wondering that for awhile since the

delivery system is via the blood stream as is

antibiotics. We all know that antibiotics put the

spirochetes into a cyst. This thought concerns me as

I have read that spirochetes can remain in a cyst for

as much as 6 years. My doc told me not to do Samento

in the beginning and treat the Lyme with Rife as I

needed to reduce the spirochete load first. I am

going to reserve the Samento for when the rife doesn't

seem to be making much progress. I ordered the MMS

and haven't started it yet, but because I have to work

am going to take it very slow. Take care.

The other

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I am not exactly sure how long it takes for

spirochetes to know that they are under attack and go

into a cyst. This is why the Marshall Protocol was

developed in order to pulse antibiotics to keep the

spirochetes on their toes. This may be a question to

pose to Rosner. I will see if he will respond

to my email. He is the one who talks about this in

his books.

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Dana,

Thanks for this information. Would you mind if I post

that link to the BioM group as well? That is very

good information and the fact that the article says

that the Chlorine Dioxide in bioavailable to the

Biofilm is encouraging.

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I use a Dan EMEM with an Atlier Robin 125

driving the frequencies.

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Hi -

That’s OK of course. I had planned

on forwarding it to LS and BioM but forgot to do it.

Best,

Dana

From:

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On Behalf Of Blanton

Thanks for this information. Would you mind if I post

that link to the BioM group as well? That is very

good information and the fact that the article says

that the Chlorine Dioxide in bioavailable to the

Biofilm is encouraging.

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I use a Dan EMEM with an Atlier Robin 125driving the frequencies.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~Hi ,

Please say more about these and how you use them. Thanks!

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what kind of output voltage do you have your generator set to?

medusa

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I use a Dan EMEM with an Atlier Robin 125driving the frequencies.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~Hi ,

[Guest guest]

The EMEM machine was built by Dan and I bought

an Atlier Robin 125 for travel as the EMEM was too big

to take. I learned from another rifer that I could

connect the EMEM directly into the atlier which is a

programmable device. I can program it via the

computer. The atlier then sends a set of frequencies

into the EMEM on a predetermined set of time. I can

also just run the EMEM on manual mode and program each

individual frequency in separately. The advantage to

this is that I can change the time that I sit on a

particular frequency. The disadvantage is that I

can't do any sweeping without the Atlier. The EMEM is

a very powerful machine and it is not necessary to

have any other frequency device to run it, as it runs

with it's own frequency generator.

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Hi Medusa,

The 125 has the following specks:

16-18 Volt AC 1 Amp, 2.1 mm power connector

BNC output 1 1:5 TTL

BNC output 2 amplified 1-13 VDC or 0-26 Vpp AC

Amplitude (volume) adjust knob.

I keep the knob turned pretty low.

The atlier comes with an amplifier/power booster, but

I don't use it as it is far too strong if you use the

hand holds. I prefer using the noncontact machine

anyway.

I hope this answers your question, as I am not very

good at the technical stuff.

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....you can also use the two seperately at the same time.

> [ ] Re: lyme warning

>

>

> The EMEM machine was built by Dan and I bought

> an Atlier Robin 125 for travel as the EMEM was too big

> to take. I learned from another rifer that I could

> connect the EMEM directly into the atlier which is a

> programmable device. I can program it via the

> computer. The atlier then sends a set of frequencies

> into the EMEM on a predetermined set of time. I can

> also just run the EMEM on manual mode and program each

> individual frequency in separately. The advantage to

> this is that I can change the time that I sit on a

> particular frequency. The disadvantage is that I

> can't do any sweeping without the Atlier. The EMEM is

> a very powerful machine and it is not necessary to

> have any other frequency device to run it, as it runs

> with it's own frequency generator.

>

>

>

>

>

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>

>

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