Re: Elimination of toxins issue

[Guest guest]

Hi Roe

I copied this from a Globallight news letter, Maybe this will help.

Herxheimer Effect

When fighting an illness in the body, whether that be a cold, flu,

infection, or even cancer, protocols I use and implement such as

herbs, essiac, colloidal silver, and homeopathic remedies will all

result in a die off of the culprit. This is true even if one uses a

traditional or allopathic course of healing such as chemotherapy, cold

and sinus medicines, or certain prescribed medicines. The resulting

die off of the pathogen is what you want. If the method that is used

is capable of destroying a malignancy, a parasitic infiltration, or a

systemic infection, the body has a need to carry off the debris. That

debris is toxic!

If one does not get rid of the toxins quickly enough for the body,

lymph channels can become thick and blocked, sometimes resulting in

metastases. I have found through study and observation, although there

are many differing opinions (both allopathic and alternative), that

through the right protocols and therapies, many of these will

completely disappear. Another very nasty side effect of not ridding

the body of this toxic die off is the Herxheimer's effect or syndrome.

The Herxheimer's effect is your body's reaction to the over abundance

of dead or dying bacteria, fungus, yeast, and viruses as a result of

your treatment/protocol. The reaction carries with it a multitude of

unpleasant side effects, including fatigue, diarrhea, headaches or

migraines, muscle and joint aches, ringing in the ears, mental

dullness and disorientation, and flu-like symptoms. This reaction is

NOT COUNTERPRODUCTIVE or a COUNTER ACTION of the process. It is your

body telling you to flush it more quickly.

Many times, I will tell those who are experiencing rapid die off

(especially when using olive leaf extract or colloidal silver) to

increase the amount of water intake until they experience relief.

Literally, the more you drink the faster the toxins will be leaving

the body.

Carla Lynne Klimuk

Posted in Joys in the Journey

>

> Hi all,

>

> I have been taking the AMMS for about 3-4 weeks and last week gave it

> to a friend that has several health issues. He has been taking it (is

> up to 5 drops 2xs per day). Here is his issue... by the third day of

> taking it, he has dark rings under his eyes is lethargic. He has a

> history of having a problem eliminating toxins from his body, including

> light stool about 80% of the time. I suggested that he go a bit slower

> after taking a day or two off, hoping that his body will get rid of

> things and then will be able to kick up the amount of drops.

>

> My question is, does anyone have any suggestions for support to make it

> easier for him to detox? He does take milk thistle and other organ

> support supplements.

>

> Thank you.

>

> Roe

>

[Guest guest]

dunno... drink more water? have a weekly enema?

> [ ] Elimination of toxins issue

>

>

> Hi all,

>

> I have been taking the AMMS for about 3-4 weeks and last week gave it

> to a friend that has several health issues. He has been taking it (is

> up to 5 drops 2xs per day). Here is his issue... by the third day of

> taking it, he has dark rings under his eyes is lethargic. He has a

> history of having a problem eliminating toxins from his body, including

> light stool about 80% of the time. I suggested that he go a bit slower

> after taking a day or two off, hoping that his body will get rid of

> things and then will be able to kick up the amount of drops.

>

> My question is, does anyone have any suggestions for support to make it

> easier for him to detox? He does take milk thistle and other organ

> support supplements.

[Guest guest]

This fellow appears to have a liver/gallbladder problem.

1.) Look into doing a liver flush; Hulda type liver flush or something similar.

2.) Look into doing Castor Oil Packs (several times, more than one) over the liver gallbladder area; Castor Oil Pack described by Edgar Cayce. This second option would be much more gentle, but much messier...

These protocols can be found on the internet, in places like Curezone, for instance.

Dan

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Rosemarie DubrowskySent: Friday, November 30, 2007 8:39 AM Subject: [ ] Elimination of toxins issue

Hi all,I have been taking the AMMS for about 3-4 weeks and last week gave it to a friend that has several health issues. He has been taking it (is up to 5 drops 2xs per day). Here is his issue... by the third day of taking it, he has dark rings under his eyes is lethargic. He has a history of having a problem eliminating toxins from his body, including light stool about 80% of the time. I suggested that he go a bit slower after taking a day or two off, hoping that his body will get rid of things and then will be able to kick up the amount of drops.My question is, does anyone have any suggestions for support to make it easier for him to detox? He does take milk thistle and other organ support supplements.Thank you.Roe

[Guest guest]

Hot baths with Epson salt or saunas (ESP. FIR ones) are great. Also coffee enemas are wonderful for detoxing. He could also try a few hers like red root for lymph drainage and sarsparilla.

-- [ ] Elimination of toxins issue

Hi all,

I have been taking the AMMS for about 3-4 weeks and last week gave it

to a friend that has several health issues. He has been taking it (is

up to 5 drops 2xs per day). Here is his issue... by the third day of

taking it, he has dark rings under his eyes is lethargic. He has a

history of having a problem eliminating toxins from his body, including

light stool about 80% of the time. I suggested that he go a bit slower

after taking a day or two off, hoping that his body will get rid of

things and then will be able to kick up the amount of drops.

My question is, does anyone have any suggestions for support to make it

easier for him to detox? He does take milk thistle and other organ

support supplements.

Thank you.

Roe

[Guest guest]

Nice share. simple solution.

> >

> > Hi all,

> >

> > I have been taking the AMMS for about 3-4 weeks and last week

gave it

> > to a friend that has several health issues. He has been taking

it (is

> > up to 5 drops 2xs per day). Here is his issue... by the third

day of

> > taking it, he has dark rings under his eyes is lethargic. He has

a

> > history of having a problem eliminating toxins from his body,

including

> > light stool about 80% of the time. I suggested that he go a bit

slower

> > after taking a day or two off, hoping that his body will get rid

of

> > things and then will be able to kick up the amount of drops.

> >

> > My question is, does anyone have any suggestions for support to

make it

> > easier for him to detox? He does take milk thistle and other

organ

> > support supplements.

> >

> > Thank you.

> >

> > Roe

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I'm working on that right now.

Yesterday I took my Liver support supplements for the first time in several days

I took green tea extract, silymarin (milk thistle), curcumin (turmeric) and Artichoke extracts.

I also took bromelain and natto kinase for smooth blood flow.

I take these upon waking, on an empty stomach.

I ate some fruit and an hour later, at 1 pm, took 16 drops.

At 3 pm, I got the first reaction in several days and felt awful the rest of the day.

As the day wore on, I had to take PB-8 for the trots.

I skipped my afternoon dose.

I have two theories presently.

One is that this happens whenever I take my first dose of the day before 3 pm.

Reasons: The liver has two cycles. From 6 am to 6 pm, it engages in the business of producing bile to digest food. From 6 pm to 6 am it does it's other jobs, which is why eating late at night really is hard on the liver, it's not prepared to digest after 9 pm. 3 pm is the time when it begins to shift from one job to the other. Ergo, I am speculating that the best time to take AMMS is at 3, 9pm, and 3 am. When I've taken it at those times I have not problems, even with a 15 or 16 drop dose. When I take it before 3 pm, say, at 1 pm, around 3 pm I get a gut ache that lasts for the rest of the day. This causes me to skip my 9 pm dose and take a dose around midnight and go to sleep.

My other theory

The supplements support the liver, and maybe they, taken with the MMS, cause the liver to detox faster, which makes me feel sick.

I feel fine today, although I slept almost 10 hours, and I feel a bit tired still.

Kathy

[Guest guest]

Many people, myself included do liver cleanses. There is a lot of discussions on http://curezone.org (or .com?)Generally, everyone has a plugged liver. I already told of my supposedly "enlarged" liver going back to normal size with just one. Btw, I substitute melatonin instead of ornithine. google hulda clark- liver cleanse recipe.

[miracle_mineral_ supplement] Elimination of toxins issue> > > Hi all,> > I have been taking

the AMMS for about 3-4 weeks and last week gave it > to a friend that has several health issues. He has been taking it (is > up to 5 drops 2xs per day). Here is his issue... by the third day of > taking it, he has dark rings under his eyes is lethargic. He has a > history of having a problem eliminating toxins from his body, including > light stool about 80% of the time. I suggested that he go a bit slower > after taking a day or two off, hoping that his body will get rid of > things and then will be able to kick up the amount of drops.> > My question is, does anyone have any suggestions for support to make it > easier for him to detox? He does take milk thistle and other organ > support supplements.

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[Guest guest]

I originally began taking mms at 3pm and 9pm because i wanted to take

supplements at the begining of the day. later i switched to 9am and

9pm. i also noticed when i changed the time to morning i had a much

more difficult time with reactions. i will go back to 3pm and 9 pm

and see if it makes it easyer for me.

>

> I'm working on that right now.

> Yesterday I took my Liver support supplements

> for the first time in several days

> I took green tea extract, silymarin (milk

> thistle), curcumin (turmeric) and Artichoke

> extracts.

> I also took bromelain and natto kinase for

> smooth blood flow.

> I take these upon waking, on an empty stomach.

>

> I ate some fruit and an hour later, at 1 pm,

> took 16 drops.

> At 3 pm, I got the first reaction in several

> days and felt awful the rest of the day.

> As the day wore on, I had to take PB-8 for the

> trots.

> I skipped my afternoon dose.

>

> I have two theories presently.

>

> One is that this happens whenever I take my

> first dose of the day before 3 pm.

> Reasons: The liver has two cycles. From 6 am to

> 6 pm, it engages in the business of producing

> bile to digest food. From 6 pm to 6 am it does

> it's other jobs, which is why eating late at

> night really is hard on the liver, it's not

> prepared to digest after 9 pm. 3 pm is the time

> when it begins to shift from one job to the

> other. Ergo, I am speculating that the best time

> to take AMMS is at 3, 9pm, and 3 am. When I've

> taken it at those times I have not problems,

> even with a 15 or 16 drop dose. When I take it

> before 3 pm, say, at 1 pm, around 3 pm I get a

> gut ache that lasts for the rest of the day.

> This causes me to skip my 9 pm dose and take a

> dose around midnight and go to sleep.

>

> My other theory

>

> The supplements support the liver, and maybe

> they, taken with the MMS, cause the liver to

> detox faster, which makes me feel sick.

>

> I feel fine today, although I slept almost 10

> hours, and I feel a bit tired still.

>

> Kathy

>

[Guest guest]

Hello,

I'm going to weigh in on this toxin elimination conversation. I have

been detoxing for almost two months now. I have been sick for five

years and eventually found out I have biotoxin disease from a fungus

(mold)infection in my breast after a biopsy where a metal marker was

left. This metal marker contained nickel and I am highly allergic to

nickel. I believe this caused my fungus infection. Anyway I have

read a lot about biotoxin disease and there are a lot of them. A Dr.

Richie Shoemaker has done a lot of work on the biotoxin pathway but

the most significant thing I read was that about 25% of the

population are a certain genotype. This genotype cannot excrete

toxins. It's a marker on the HLA-DR and there are about five of

them. It is these patients that need a toxin binding drugs or toxin

binding supplements to get it out of their system. If not given

something to get it out of their system the toxins will just move

around and you will remain sick. This is all according to Dr.

Shoemaker as I remember from his books. I read Mold Warriors and

Desperation Medicine. He has a new website www.biotoxin.info and his

old website is www.chronicneurotoxins.com. The exciting thing about

this is that in five minutes you might be able to tell if you have a

biotoxin disease. The test is cheap and you can do it online. After

five years of being sick and seeing around 20 doctors it totally

floored me that a non-invasive, five minute test that stands up in

court could tell me what I had.

Anyway Richie Shoemaker, MD recommends cholestyramine(CSM)as the

toxin binding drug but I am being treated by a different doctor and

I'm using more natural products.

This is not medical advice.

Good luck.

> > Hi all,

> >

> > I have been taking the AMMS for about 3-4 weeks and last week

gave it

> > to a friend that has several health issues. He has been taking

it (is

> > up to 5 drops 2xs per day). Here is his issue... by the third

day of

> > taking it, he has dark rings under his eyes is lethargic. He has

a

> > history of having a problem eliminating toxins from his body,

including

> > light stool about 80% of the time. I suggested that he go a bit

slower

> > after taking a day or two off, hoping that his body will get rid

of

> > things and then will be able to kick up the amount of drops.

> >

> > My question is, does anyone have any suggestions for support to

make it

> > easier for him to detox? He does take milk thistle and other

organ

> > support supplements.

>