RE: stripping of iron from blood.

[Guest guest]

As far as the platelets go, Sesame Seed Oil is great to raise them into

normal limits. I have used that product made by Standard Process on

my mom, when the doc wanted her to see an oncologist and get a bone

marrow biopsy. The product raised them to normal in a relatively short

time.

jp

> i've had low RBC and platelet counts since the first lab that found my

> hep-C.

> i don't know why, but it continues. this isn't unusual for heppers and

> can

> be lots worse during the inf/riba conventional tx protocols (which i avoid

> so far at least). recently i've taken to more green and raw food to try to

> help that.

>

> the body mostly only loses iron by bleeding. so for males that means we

> must spring a leak somewhere. i guess females are in the same situation

> after menopause. i don't know what other processes the body uses to

> regulate it, but there must be losses somewhere beyond in hair or maybe

> fingernails.

> heppers are advised to avoid supplemental iron and high iron foods because

> it often tends to accumulate excessively and cause problems aggravating

> liver damage and disease progression.

>

> i don't know that stripping iron from blood would be a good thing at all

> for

> me, so i'm real interested in knowing if this is fact. another reason to

> limit my MMS to just what is needed to get the upper hand or clear the HCV

> load, maybe periodically, and use other means for maintenance.

>

>> [ ] Re:MMS & fatigue, to Angel &

>> others

>>

>>

>> >You say you have no doubt MMS removed minerals from the

>> blood/body but you

>> do not offer anything of substance to back that up. Is this just

>> speculation

>> again or what.<

>>

>> Jack- Diarrhea removes nutrients rapidly and that is well known.

>> I have not

>> been able to take MMS without incurring some diarrhea. Detoxification

>> from

>> Herxing will remove good along with bad. Rebuilding from all the

>> effort will

>> use up nutrients. It's very safe to say that all of these things are

>> going

>> to happen.

>>

>> As for in-vivo chemical reactions, it's speculation but for me,

>> reasonable

>> to assume. Although I'm committed to the use of MMS, my

>> experience with many

>> other healing substances and protocols has taught me there's a downside

>> to

>> all and I'm keeping that in mind, right up front.

>>

>> I find it quite reasonable to be wary that Chlorine Dioxide might remove

>> iron from our bodies in some way and that *might* be *a* reason

>> for fatigue.

>> It has struck me that this info comes as I have realized that I

>> have wanted

>> to eat considerably more beef since I started MMS.

>>

>> I can't prove a word of this but I do find it reasonable to assume that

>> Chlorine Dioxide is not as discriminate as some want to think. At the

>> same

>> time I don't think it's anywhere near as dangerous as some may

>> warn. On that

>> point, it is already causing some schism the alternative

>> community, and I'm

>> not going with the naysayers.

>>

>> One thing I have decided for myself- the mere act of drinking

>> activated MMS

>> is not the cause of fatigue for me. Once I get used to a certain

>> level, that

>> level no longer causes the problems it did, hence it is

>> reasonable to assume

>> for me that the problems actually are from pathogen die-off.

>>

>> Daddybob

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

thanks ...i'm chauffering (sp?) someone to her chiropractor this evening

who sells standard process products. wonder if just using lots of sesame

oil in cooking food or mixed into raw foods will do it too? money IS an

issue.

> [ ] Re:MMS & fatigue, to Angel &

> >> others

> >>

> >>

> >> >You say you have no doubt MMS removed minerals from the

> >> blood/body but you

> >> do not offer anything of substance to back that up. Is this just

> >> speculation

> >> again or what.<

> >>

> >> Jack- Diarrhea removes nutrients rapidly and that is well known.

> >> I have not

> >> been able to take MMS without incurring some diarrhea. Detoxification

> >> from

> >> Herxing will remove good along with bad. Rebuilding from all the

> >> effort will

> >> use up nutrients. It's very safe to say that all of these things are

> >> going

> >> to happen.

> >>

> >> As for in-vivo chemical reactions, it's speculation but for me,

> >> reasonable

> >> to assume. Although I'm committed to the use of MMS, my

> >> experience with many

> >> other healing substances and protocols has taught me there's a

> downside

> >> to

> >> all and I'm keeping that in mind, right up front.

> >>

> >> I find it quite reasonable to be wary that Chlorine Dioxide

> might remove

> >> iron from our bodies in some way and that *might* be *a* reason

> >> for fatigue.

> >> It has struck me that this info comes as I have realized that I

> >> have wanted

> >> to eat considerably more beef since I started MMS.

> >>

> >> I can't prove a word of this but I do find it reasonable to assume that

> >> Chlorine Dioxide is not as discriminate as some want to think. At the

> >> same

> >> time I don't think it's anywhere near as dangerous as some may

> >> warn. On that

> >> point, it is already causing some schism the alternative

> >> community, and I'm

> >> not going with the naysayers.

> >>

> >> One thing I have decided for myself- the mere act of drinking

> >> activated MMS

> >> is not the cause of fatigue for me. Once I get used to a certain

> >> level, that

> >> level no longer causes the problems it did, hence it is

> >> reasonable to assume

> >> for me that the problems actually are from pathogen die-off.

> >>

> >> Daddybob

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

[Guest guest]

....i drove my friend to the chiropractors, even got adjusted myself (it was

gooood) and got to talking to him about the sesame oil, vitamin workings,

etc.... and got to read the section of his SP product binder all about the

sesame oil.

in there it mentions a case where sesame butter alone cured leukemia the

docs couldn't.

and it specifically speaks of being able to raise RBS and platelets both

with it.

i ordered a bottle.

it recommends 3-9 perles (softgells i guess) per day. i'll do 2/day so a

bottle will last an even month, but will also cook more with sesame oil and

add it to raw multi vege juice sludge/smoothie that i use to mix my herbs

into. might get sesame seeds in bulk and add them to the flax, pumpkin,

sunflower, etc i run through the coffee grinder to mix with breakfast

cereal. all that should do something eventually...unless i'm just too

rotten to the core at this point.

> [ ] Re:MMS & fatigue, to Angel &

> > >> others

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> >You say you have no doubt MMS removed minerals from the

> > >> blood/body but you

> > >> do not offer anything of substance to back that up. Is this just

> > >> speculation

> > >> again or what.<

> > >>

> > >> Jack- Diarrhea removes nutrients rapidly and that is well known.

> > >> I have not

> > >> been able to take MMS without incurring some diarrhea. Detoxification

> > >> from

> > >> Herxing will remove good along with bad. Rebuilding from all the

> > >> effort will

> > >> use up nutrients. It's very safe to say that all of these things are

> > >> going

> > >> to happen.

> > >>

> > >> As for in-vivo chemical reactions, it's speculation but for me,

> > >> reasonable

> > >> to assume. Although I'm committed to the use of MMS, my

> > >> experience with many

> > >> other healing substances and protocols has taught me there's a

> > downside

> > >> to

> > >> all and I'm keeping that in mind, right up front.

> > >>

> > >> I find it quite reasonable to be wary that Chlorine Dioxide

> > might remove

> > >> iron from our bodies in some way and that *might* be *a* reason

> > >> for fatigue.

> > >> It has struck me that this info comes as I have realized that I

> > >> have wanted

> > >> to eat considerably more beef since I started MMS.

> > >>

> > >> I can't prove a word of this but I do find it reasonable to

> assume that

> > >> Chlorine Dioxide is not as discriminate as some want to think. At the

> > >> same

> > >> time I don't think it's anywhere near as dangerous as some may

> > >> warn. On that

> > >> point, it is already causing some schism the alternative

> > >> community, and I'm

> > >> not going with the naysayers.

> > >>

> > >> One thing I have decided for myself- the mere act of drinking

> > >> activated MMS

> > >> is not the cause of fatigue for me. Once I get used to a certain

> > >> level, that

> > >> level no longer causes the problems it did, hence it is

> > >> reasonable to assume

> > >> for me that the problems actually are from pathogen die-off.

> > >>

> > >> Daddybob

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

[Guest guest]

Hey Bob, I use tahini. It's raw and from unhulled sesame seeds. Very nutritious. I like that it's totally chewed up, because sesame seeds that are swallowed whole come out the other end that way....no nutrition in that.

It's a great source of calcium too.

Kathy

[Guest guest]

I believe 9 tablespoons of sesame seed butter was the dose, and that

is neither economical nor pleasant unless you LOVE the taste of sesame

seed butter which I don't. I have seen the perles offered by SP raise

my mom's platelets. Years later, we found out she has Lupus, which

explains a lot. Good luck.

jp

> in there it mentions a case where sesame butter alone cured leukemia the

> docs couldn't.

> and it specifically speaks of being able to raise RBS and platelets both

> with it.

> i ordered a bottle.

[Guest guest]

i just bought a jar of Tahini tu smear on bread instead of whatever else i

might usually want, and a bag of hulled sesame seeds to throw in with all

the other seeds that i run through a grinder to add raw to my cereal mix.

that and the SP perles oughta do something!

i'm now adding a bit of coconut oil to my cereal mix too. never enough

all-purpose miracle cure remedies if they taste good.

> Re: [ ] stripping of iron from blood.

>

>

> I believe 9 tablespoons of sesame seed butter was the dose, and that

> is neither economical nor pleasant unless you LOVE the taste of sesame

> seed butter which I don't. I have seen the perles offered by SP raise

> my mom's platelets. Years later, we found out she has Lupus, which

> explains a lot. Good luck.

> jp

>

>

>

> > in there it mentions a case where sesame butter alone cured leukemia the

> > docs couldn't.

> > and it specifically speaks of being able to raise RBS and platelets both

> > with it.

> > i ordered a bottle.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

bob Larson wrote:

> i just bought a jar of Tahini tu smear on bread instead of whatever else i

> might usually want, and a bag of hulled sesame seeds to throw in with all

> the other seeds that i run through a grinder to add raw to my cereal mix.

> that and the SP perles oughta do something!

>

> i'm now adding a bit of coconut oil to my cereal mix too. never enough

> all-purpose miracle cure remedies if they taste good.

>

Am I understanding correctly that tahini supplies iron?

It certainly would be useful to have a list of food items which one can

expect to replace whatever desirable minerals MMS may be eliminating,

whether or until it has been convincingly demonstrated that it does do

that or not...