Dog vaccines

July 12, 2001

Could you give a link for the information from NCI and flax seed oil,

please? Thanks, Sandy

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Dog vaccines

Hi Jen,

I saw your comment about the dog vaccinations and was very curious.

What shots do you give the dog and what shots don't you give and why? I live

in town right now, do I need to check and see what is " mandatory " in town?

Do I have a right to refuse the " mandatory " vax if I choose to - as long as

my dogs stay in my yard of course?

I also have a BEAUTIFUL Rag Doll house cat and want to know about his

vaccines too. My brother's dog just died of cancer (Osteosarcoma) and when

they did research on this disease, it seems that it tends to show up at the

point where they got the vaccines (especially on cats). Sure enough, their

dog had a round of shots in his left shoulder and that is where a huge

cancerous tumor appeared! The dog greatly improved once he was diagnosed and

they put him on an all raw food diet (lots of finely ground up carrots,

veggies, and cold flax seed oil). The flax seed oil, according to the

National Cancer Institute, is supposed to be just as effective as

chemotherapy in reducing tumors and cancer. People who are sick are advised

to take up to 6 Tablespoons daily to get good results.

Anyway, I'd sure appreciate any advice you could give.

Re: New to this group

, welcome,

I'm Jen, mom to Mitch - healthy, happy, bouncy 15 month old. I first

investigated the effects of vaccines when Mitch kept getting a nasty eczema

type of rash - immediately after his 2 mos. shots - it cleared up (with

cortisone cream) until he got his 4 mos. shots - and flared up again - it

started to get better, and we were going in for our 6 mos. check and shots

and he started teething - fever, runny nose everything - so I skipped the

appt. because he wasn't feeling well - never gone back since - he's been

nine months without a doctor's visit - knock on wood - never had a lick of

skin trouble since he stopped the vaccinations either. When I started

enquiring as to vaccine effects I was led to this list and the rest is

history. I am very afraid of the MMR - I'm one of those dubious moms who has

had the innoculation 2X, had measles once anyway and a child who already

showed eczema as a reaction to the shots - makes me nervous to think what

could have happened to him if I'd let the docs do his year shots. Anyw One

thing that I've noticed is newcomers often go through a stage where they'd

rather forget what they've learned - it is SO much easier to be ignorant

than informed - in the short term - long term - I'm glad I know what I know.

BTW my dog is also natural - selectively vacced - although suffers from

hypothyroid.

TTFN

Jen Sider

First Dog Off the Porch Enterprises

Mom to , friend to Indy the buckskin pitbull.

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July 12, 2001

Hi Jen,

I saw your comment about the dog vaccinations and was very curious.

What shots do you give the dog and what shots don't you give and why? I live in

town right now, do I need to check and see what is " mandatory " in town? Do I

have a right to refuse the " mandatory " vax if I choose to - as long as my dogs

stay in my yard of course?

I also have a BEAUTIFUL Rag Doll house cat and want to know about his vaccines

too. My brother's dog just died of cancer (Osteosarcoma) and when they did

research on this disease, it seems that it tends to show up at the point where

they got the vaccines (especially on cats). Sure enough, their dog had a round

of shots in his left shoulder and that is where a huge cancerous tumor appeared!

The dog greatly improved once he was diagnosed and they put him on an all raw

food diet (lots of finely ground up carrots, veggies, and cold flax seed oil).

The flax seed oil, according to the National Cancer Institute, is supposed to be

just as effective as chemotherapy in reducing tumors and cancer. People who are

sick are advised to take up to 6 Tablespoons daily to get good results.

Anyway, I'd sure appreciate any advice you could give.

Re: New to this group

, welcome,

I'm Jen, mom to Mitch - healthy, happy, bouncy 15 month old. I first

investigated the effects of vaccines when Mitch kept getting a nasty eczema type

of rash - immediately after his 2 mos. shots - it cleared up (with cortisone

cream) until he got his 4 mos. shots - and flared up again - it started to get

better, and we were going in for our 6 mos. check and shots and he started

teething - fever, runny nose everything - so I skipped the appt. because he

wasn't feeling well - never gone back since - he's been nine months without a

doctor's visit - knock on wood - never had a lick of skin trouble since he

stopped the vaccinations either. When I started enquiring as to vaccine effects

I was led to this list and the rest is history. I am very afraid of the MMR -

I'm one of those dubious moms who has had the innoculation 2X, had measles once

anyway and a child who already showed eczema as a reaction to the shots - makes

me nervous to think what could have happened to him if I'd let the docs do his

year shots. Anyw One thing that I've noticed is newcomers often go through a

stage where they'd rather forget what they've learned - it is SO much easier to

be ignorant than informed - in the short term - long term - I'm glad I know what

I know.

BTW my dog is also natural - selectively vacced - although suffers from

hypothyroid.

TTFN

Jen Sider

First Dog Off the Porch Enterprises

Mom to , friend to Indy the buckskin pitbull.

Remember one day you're a hero, the next. . . a zero!

Check out baby at

http://shutterfly.babycenter.com/my/boy.jsp?id=f7c350fc92326529

July 13, 2001

All vaccines are bad including the animal ones. I have my research into

natural rearing for my dogs to thank for making me wary of human vaccines,

thus causing my investigation when I decided to get pregnant. It's been many

years, but I believe Dr. Pitcairn's dog book has a section on vaccines.

Kathleen

In a message dated 7/13/2001 3:14:26 AM Central Daylight Time,

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> Hi Jen,

>

> I saw your comment about the dog vaccinations and was very curious.

>

> What shots do you give the dog and what shots don't you give and why? I

> live in town right now, do I need to check and see what is " mandatory " in

> town? Do I have a right to refuse the " mandatory " vax if I choose to - as

> long as my dogs stay in my yard of course?

>

> I also have a BEAUTIFUL Rag Doll house cat and want to know about his

> vaccines too. My brother's dog just died of cancer (Osteosarcoma) and when

> they did research on this disease, it seems that it tends to show up at the

> point where they got the vaccines (especially on cats). Sure enough, their

> dog had a round of shots in his left shoulder and that is where a huge

> cancerous tumor appeared! The dog greatly improved once he was diagnosed

> and they put him on an all raw food diet (lots of finely ground up carrots,

> veggies, and cold flax seed oil). The flax seed oil, according to the

> National Cancer Institute, is supposed to be just as effective as

> chemotherapy in reducing tumors and cancer. People who are sick are advised

> to take up to 6 Tablespoons daily to get good results.

>

> Anyway, I'd sure appreciate any advice you could give.

>

> Re: New to this group

>

> , welcome,

> I'm Jen, mom to Mitch - healthy, happy, bouncy 15 month old. I first

> investigated the effects of vaccines when Mitch kept getting a nasty eczema

> type of rash - immediately after his 2 mos. shots - it cleared up (with

> cortisone cream) until he got his 4 mos. shots - and flared up again - it

> started to get better, and we were going in for our 6 mos. check and shots

> and he started teething - fever, runny nose everything - so I skipped the

> appt. because he wasn't feeling well - never gone back since - he's been

> nine months without a doctor's visit - knock on wood - never had a lick of

> skin trouble since he stopped the vaccinations either. When I started

> enquiring as to vaccine effects I was led to this list and the rest is

> history. I am very afraid of the MMR - I'm one of those dubious moms who

> has had the innoculation 2X, had measles once anyway and a child who

> already showed eczema as a reaction to the shots - makes me nervous to

> think what could have happened to him if I'd let the docs do his year

> shots. Anyw One thing that I've noticed is newcomers often go through a

> stage where they'd rather forget what they've learned - it is SO much

> easier to be ignorant than informed - in the short term - long term - I'm

> glad I know what I know.

> BTW my dog is also natural - selectively vacced - although suffers from

> hypothyroid.

>

July 13, 2001

What about the rabies shot?

in Utah

July 13, 2001

Dear Listmates,

Usually, the rabies vax is mandated for all states. All other vaxs are

recommended and pushed by all vets except alternative vets. If you wish to

have good vet care and possibly need boarding facilities and grooming, you

need to seek an alternative vet who will back your decision to or not vax.

You can also use homeopathy instead of regular vaccines as well.

My first dog who is now 11yrs old has had repeated reactions to vaxs. She

has not been vaccinated in the past 4 years and will never be vaccinated

again. She is the healthiest she has been in 6 years. We just adopted

another dog who has major medical problems (mid-stem collapsed trachea and he

is an American Eskimo) and is probably 12 yrs old. We made the decisions to

vax him for rabies b/c he has a tendency to snap if an adult male approaches

him from behind and touches him. This was to protect the dog named Columbus

in case some adult male came into our yard and tapped him on the shoulder

while he was asleep. Hey, anything can happen right and we didn't want

Columbus to be put to sleep because of his previous unknown vaccination

history. Anyway, we vaccinated him via my homeopathic vet and on day 7,

Columbus started acting funny and growling at me which he had never done

before. He then gets so sick I take him in to his internal medicine guy who

runs tests and finds nothing unusual. I take him back in to my homeopathic

vet and we discover he has a lump the size of a fist where she gave him the

rabies vaccine. Our Dr. thinks he is experiencing a vaccine reaction based

on his behavior changes and the huge lump on his rump. She gave him two

remedies and within 24 hours he is much better. It did take the lump a few

days to go down. He has not once again growled at me again and is back to

normal.

We do have other cats and dogs we vaccinate selectively but basically we do

not vax. My daughter was dxed with autism at the age of 3yrs. She was

recovered by 4 1/2. She was one who reacted to one of the following

vaccinces given to her and her twin at the age of 12 months.....DPT, OPV,

VARIVAX, MMR and either Hep Bor Hib. She had diarrhea for 4 yrs. It wasn't

until we took her off of milk (which she recovered greatly) and then later

taking her off gluten and soy that she has appeared perfectly normal.

We have been there and done that and realize the fight with mandated vaccines

affect not only our children but also our pets. All I can say is if you want

to have a choice in whether or not to vaccinate your children or animals

please seek out an alternative care giver. In some cases particularly

animals who are outside it does make sense to give an animal the first round

of shots but beyond that I am not sure. It does seem many homeopathic vets

will be okay to use nosodes to immunize outdoor cats only after the cat has

had its original kitty shots. Indoor cats can usually be just treated with

the nosodes without the initial kitty shots.

As far as our kids go......you need to make use of those exemptions.

Vaccinate, if you chose, on your terms and not on the state or federal

government's. If you vaccinate, please break them up and not do the triple

shot they recommend today.

July 14, 2001

Rabies is the only vaccine I've given Indy for 2 years - he does get the

heartworm pill , but I no longer do the flea drops behind the shoulder (2 years

now) as he no longer gets fleas or ticks - I believe its because of his diet -

he currently on the Biologically Appropriate Raw Food diet (BARF) - one 1/2

weeks meat, 1/2 week veggies (not the way most people do it - but it works for

me and the grocery shopping) - his raw meats are chicken backs and necks, beef

shanks, lamb/pork shoulders, etc. - his veggie meals are usually lettuce based

(I planted way too much in the garden - so he gets all the ones that have gone

old) and dandelions - I mix brewer's yeast, garlic powder, 1 full organic egg,

wheat germ, wheat bran and flax oil together and he gets 2 lbs. of that / day -

he of course snacks with us during the day - but he looks great - and its easier

to control his diet when I know what's going in to him - especially since he is

thyroid deficient.

As to how to refuse the shots - even traditional vets are realizing that we are

over inoculating our dogs - my vet - a pill pusher, but the best in town didn't

flinch at all when I said only rabies. Rabies protects Indy from death

essentially because we know he has had the shot - its documented and if he ever

bit someone or another dog - he would still be quarantined - but not euthanized

right away.

I truly believe that the health of animals is directly related to the number of

shots given to them and the diet they eat - hey sounds just like humans -

surprise, surprise.

I'm sure that rabies is the only 'required' by law shots that animals have to

receive, I think that if I had an indoor cat I would skip everything, except the

rabies (you never know what visitor will provoke your pet to bite or scratch and

since the shot is verifiable, but the fact that your pet never sets foot outside

is not - I'd give the shot - perhaps improving the immune system before with

hyperdosing Vit C as well.

Jen Sider

First Dog Off the Porch Enterprises

Mom to , friend to Indy the buckskin pitbull.

Remember one day you're a hero, the next. . . a zero!

Check out baby at

http://shutterfly.babycenter.com/my/boy.jsp?id=f7c350fc92326529

July 14, 2001

Dr. Pitcairn's book has a very good discussion of vaccines. The rabies

vaccine is usually required by state law -- in my state, you have to give it

every year, but I try not to. Certainly every 2 years is more than

adequate, and is probably way too much. If your dog is likely to bite

someone, you might want to follow the law, though, because if she's not up

to date on her rabies shots and she bites, she is in big trouble.

I am sad at the moment, because my poor dog just had to have both rabies and

the " five-in-one " vaccine (anyone know exactly what's in this)? We had to

kennel her for a week, and the kennel people originally told us she had to

have only rabies and kennel cough, but then when we dropped her off they

made us get 'em all! So aggravating, and the poor dog already has skin

allergies. We were about to get on an airplane and had to do it -- but boy

do I feel guilty.

In Pitcairn's opinion, vaccines (and particularly yearly boosters) are

responsible for many chronic dog and cat diseases, particularly skin

problems and behavior problems. If I had a choice in the matter, I would

give rabies only, and then probably only once or twice in the animal's

lifetime.

And for dogs and cats, vaccines are only the tip of the toxic iceberg: they

are also subjected to flea meds, heartworm drugs, terrible-quality food...

If you really want to have a healthy animal, you should give a raw

meat-based diet (recipes in Pitcairn's book, but I think he includes too

much grain as filler), which provides carnivores with the immunities they

need. Before I had kids I used to do this, but unfortunately the animals

don't get the attention they used to!

tte

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July 16, 2001

RE: " Before I had kids I used to do this, but unfortunately the animals

don't get the attention they used to! "

Now that I have a baby the dogs and cat get better food than ever! We switched

the animals to the BARF diet and I'm on a BARF elist. Because I juice so many

carrots for myself and the baby and eat lots of raw fruits & veggies (I'm

raising the baby on raw foods too) I usually have plenty of carrot pulp from the

juicer and left over veggies that are just starting to wilt. I send the veggies

through the food processor and mix in a little canned fish and they gulp in all

down. They also get a little dry food, but I believe the veggies are best for

them.

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