Re: MMS as mineral chelator

[Guest guest]

Dear Jack,

> ... my wife... She got the results of the blood test yesterday and it

> shot up higher than it's ever been ... we are left wondering what on

> earth caused her iron to shoot up to 130 instead of the normal 30????

Those numbers look like serum ferritin levels, right Jack? Ferritin is

a storage molecule that keeps free iron in the blood from doing

anything bad. I was told the level of ferritin in the blood is

proportional to the level of iron stored in the cells... something like

10:1, tissue:blood.

Did she have any other bloodwork done at the same time? Red blood cells

and other blood fractions?

I'm speculating that the MMS could be disrupting iron hoarding

pathogens, causing more iron to enter circulation; damaging red blood

cells, liberating the iron from hemoglobin; or eliminating some kind

pathogen or toxic burden that is causing the cells to liberate stored

iron.

On that last point, I recall reading somewhere that people in the third

world have been mis-diagnosed as iron deficient when, in fact, the body

has a mechanism to drastically reduce circulating iron in the blood

when fighting infections, leading to the mis-informed practice of

giving them iron supplements, ultimately causing the infection to

proliferate and kill them. If I remember correctly, the low serum iron

deprives the pathogens and slows their growth.

So maybe she always had more iron stored than you knew about, and

whatever pathogenic disease she's fighting is being removed, letting

the body un-sequester the iron it has been hoarding in the cells?

I have no authority behind any of the above. The ideas are all

untrained SPECULATION and vague recollection, but at least something to

start your research with.

Be well,

Mike D.

[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]

[mdevour@... ]

[speaking only for myself... ]

[Guest guest]

Hi Jack. I'm sorry about your wife. I understand a bit about her problem as I had a friend that had it. But--so long as the blood is drawn on a regular basis things are fine for the person. My friend was 82 and still getting her blood drawn. Her brother had passed away from the same disease (she said it ran in families) but that was just because they hadn't identified the disease until it was too late. She had lived with it for years. She did say it gave her headaches and pain and that's how she knew it was time to go get blood taken.

She told me that Washington had the same disease and all they did was exactly what they do today--draw blood. She said that because not very many people had it, they don't research it much.

I hope you find out the reason your wife's iron was up.

Samala,

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Also we are left wondering what on earth caused her iron to shoot up to

130 instead of the normal 30???? Geeez.

[Guest guest]

OK Mike and Samala,

Thank you for your comments and Mike you have certainly given me idea's to think and research on.

Jackmill

[Guest guest]

Mike and Jack,

Perhaps you can figure out whether or how the methemoglobin blood

test that Dr. Hesselink (in Jim Humble's book) recommends as a safety

precaution fits into this. I looked up the methemeglobin test( it

does have to do with iron and oxidation) and actually had the test

done but I can't say that I totally understand it or how it exactly

is related. Perhaps Jack's wife's doctor would do a methemoglobin

test. I just took a photocopy of the paragraph from the book and

showed it to my doctor and told him I was taking MMS -and the bare

facts about MMS-- and he ordered the test.

Regards,

Dawn

>

> Dear Jack,

>

> > ... my wife... She got the results of the blood test yesterday

and it

> > shot up higher than it's ever been ... we are left wondering what

on

> > earth caused her iron to shoot up to 130 instead of the normal

30????

>

> Those numbers look like serum ferritin levels, right Jack? Ferritin

is

> a storage molecule that keeps free iron in the blood from doing

> anything bad. I was told the level of ferritin in the blood is

> proportional to the level of iron stored in the cells... something

like

> 10:1, tissue:blood.

>

> Did she have any other bloodwork done at the same time? Red blood

cells

> and other blood fractions?

>

> I'm speculating that the MMS could be disrupting iron hoarding

> pathogens, causing more iron to enter circulation; damaging red

blood

> cells, liberating the iron from hemoglobin; or eliminating some

kind

> pathogen or toxic burden that is causing the cells to liberate

stored

> iron.

>

> On that last point, I recall reading somewhere that people in the

third

> world have been mis-diagnosed as iron deficient when, in fact, the

body

> has a mechanism to drastically reduce circulating iron in the blood

> when fighting infections, leading to the mis-informed practice of

> giving them iron supplements, ultimately causing the infection to

> proliferate and kill them. If I remember correctly, the low serum

iron

> deprives the pathogens and slows their growth.

>

> So maybe she always had more iron stored than you knew about, and

> whatever pathogenic disease she's fighting is being removed,

letting

> the body un-sequester the iron it has been hoarding in the cells?

>

> I have no authority behind any of the above. The ideas are all

> untrained SPECULATION and vague recollection, but at least

something to

> start your research with.

>

> Be well,

>

> Mike D.

>

> [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]

> [mdevour@... ]

> [speaking only for myself... ]

>

[Guest guest]

That's a good point Mike. My DH's family has that disease, as far as

I remember he tested negative when we found out that it ran in the

family. My understanding was the disease causes the problem when the

iron is absorbed into the liver, and that's why everyone in is family

and all children born needed to be tested as early as possible to

prevent the absorption.

It's been a long time since I've done any research on it, so my

memory could be wrong.

In Christ,

Ava

>

> So maybe she always had more iron stored than you knew about, and

> whatever pathogenic disease she's fighting is being removed,

letting

> the body un-sequester the iron it has been hoarding in the cells?

>

> I have no authority behind any of the above. The ideas are all

> untrained SPECULATION and vague recollection, but at least

something to

> start your research with.

>

> Be well,

>

> Mike D.

>

> [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]

> [mdevour@... ]

> [speaking only for myself... ]

>

[Guest guest]

Dawn,

Thank you for the heads up. Of course I read the book but at the time I wasn't concerned about MMS vs iron in the blood. I'll go back and re-read that.

Jack

[Guest guest]

Mike I didn't answer all of your questions. My wife forgot to ask the Dr. for a copy of her blood work. I have all but gotten down on my knees and begged her to always get copies. I think she's so intimidated by the Drs. she's afraid to ask, I just don't know. It's a constant concern because we have no ongoing record.

I get every record regardless and no one better refuse because they'll run into one red faced and rowdy guy.

So no I don't have the rest of the blood work. I'll keep trying.

Regards,

Jackmill

[Guest guest]

My dad and his brothers have hemachromatosis as well (it's possible in women but unusual because we have a period monthly so my Doc doesn't worry about me) but is she still having her period or is she in menopause? I was told when you go into menopause the incidence is higher in women. Also if her blood has "thickened" then there might even be a false positive reading. Do they spin the blood or do they do it by microscope and "humans" because if the blood were thicker and ppm were measured, that might be false. Dunno, just suggestions.

D

Subject: [ ] MMS as mineral chelator

Greetings,Some weeks ago there was a discusson regarding whether or not MMS depleted minerals. I reported that my wife has hemochromotosis (High blood iron). She has to get a blood test every three months and if the iron is high she has to bleed a pint in order to lower the total iron in her blood.At the time of the discussion regarding mineral depletion I said if her iron was low we would suspect the MMS was depleting it. She got the results of the blood test yesterday and it shot up higher than it's ever been, we were shocked. So at least as far as iron is concerned we can be pretty sure MMS does not deplete that mineral. To generalize our finding I think it's doublful MMS depletes minerals.So now she has to have a phlebotomy 3 times in an effort to get her blood iron back into the acceptable zone.Also we are left wondering what on earth caused her iron to shoot up to 130

instead of the normal 30???? Geeez.Jackmill

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[Guest guest]

She's in Menopause. I don't know the method of measuring it. She's going to start a series of three phlebotomies right after Christmas. That does a pretty good job of controlling it. Our big concern is this sudden increase in the iron level, it was at 130 instead of below 50. Thanks for the input.

Jackmill

[Guest guest]

Hi Jack. I just recently read quite a bit about hemochromotosis and I

believe I read that women with hemochromotosis are somewhat protected

during childbearing years but they can become very sick at menopause.

The why I believe is because we bleed on a monthly basis and this

protects us from too much iron accumulating in our bodies. When a

woman with hemochromotosis no longer has normal menses she needs to

compensate by getting more blood taken but you probably already knew

about this. I would also like to find out if the MMS is depleting our

minerals but this might not be the best time in your wife's life cycle

to find out. My radiologist was asking me today if MMS killed the good

stuff as well as the bad stuff. I told her that I didn't think it did

but that there is a discussion going on about that very issue.

Personally I take probiotics and it helps me a lot. I just had a very

bad herxing reaction yesterday and had to stop the MMS. I know it's

killing the bad stuff.

>

> She's in Menopause. I don't know the method of measuring it. She's

going to start a series of three phlebotomies right after Christmas.

That does a pretty good job of controlling it. Our big concern is this

sudden increase in the iron level, it was at 130 instead of below 50.

Thanks for the input.

>

> Jackmill

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jack,

I don't know if this would have any effect on your wife's iron

levels, but Dr. Hesselink (on his website) in talking about MMS's

effect on Plasmodia says that " it is reasonable to expect that any

damage to Plasmodia caused by oxides of chlorine is compounded by

conversion of ferrous (Fe+++) cofactors to ferric (Fe+++) or other

alterations of iron compounds. "

I am not a scientist so maybe someone here could better interpret

that in relation to blood iron levels. The sentence stuck out to me

because I think I had just read your post here at M_M_S.

Perhaps JH could shed more light on that?

Avril

In , " Jack Milliorn "

<jack.mill@...> wrote:

>

> She's in Menopause. I don't know the method of measuring it.

She's going to start a series of three phlebotomies right after

Christmas. That does a pretty good job of controlling it. Our big

concern is this sudden increase in the iron level, it was at 130

instead of below 50. Thanks for the input.

>

> Jackmill

>

[Guest guest]

Yes that caught my eye too and I was wondering about it. I think I'm going to ask my Holistic Dr. about it and see what he thinks. He did tell my as an aside the MMS works which I thought was encouraging.

Jackmill