Guest guest Posted December 23, 2007 Report Share Posted December 23, 2007 Hi Connie, I have wondered that myself and I have also wondered if it isn't our genetic inability to filter toxins that determines the reaction. In other words if you have a marker on the HLA-DR perhaps your reaction will be worse and you will need toxin binding drugs or supplements. What if you have two markers perhaps it's twice as bad. I don't know for sure but would like to throw this out there. I'm running into this with mold exposure. I'm not getting better on the MMS and believe it's because my body is having a hard time getting rid of the toxins. I don't get sicker I just don't get better. Are you familar with Shoemaker's work? I would love to figure this out. Great question. Sharon > > Hi All, > > I'm noticing that some people who are relatively healthy are getting > reactions to MMS on low doses, while others who are quite sick, within > a relatively short period of time,can build up to 30 drops or more a > day. This confounds me a little. > > It would seem that those who are more ill should always be able to > tolerate less. That some can quickly build up to 30 drops makes me > wonder if MMS is progressively killing fewer bugs, and not just > because all the critters are dying and there are few left--if that > were the case we'd all be healed in 2 months. Rather, I wonder if the > bugs build resistance to it, as they do with pharma abx and herbs. > Does anyone have any thoughts on this? > > Thanks, > > Connie > www.lymebytes.blogspot.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2007 Report Share Posted December 23, 2007 Sharon, I have had yeast/fungal issues for years. They got worse on the MMS for some reason. I am now taking a break from the MMS to get my good bacteria back into balance. This is my second day off the MMS and I woke up having a ton of yeast die-off that I did not have on the MMS. (I have been using MMS since September) I know people will poo-poo me saying that MMS does not kill the good stuff, but it did for me. I wish it weren't so because it had been great for my lyme. BTW, I was taking a ton of really good expensive probiotics while on the MMS. They did not help very much at all. I would also take neem for the yeast which used to work great until I started the MMS. After the MMS it did not work at all. It was like the MMS rendered them ineffective for some reason. I would like to start the MMS again after I rebuild my system. Then maybe I will rotate it with other protocols. Just be careful if you also have similar issues. -- [ ] Re: MMS Puzzle! Hi Connie, I have wondered that myself and I have also wondered if it isn't our genetic inability to filter toxins that determines the reaction. In other words if you have a marker on the HLA-DR perhaps your reaction will be worse and you will need toxin binding drugs or supplements. What if you have two markers perhaps it's twice as bad. I don't know for sure but would like to throw this out there. I'm running into this with mold exposure. I'm not getting better on the MMS and believe it's because my body is having a hard time getting rid of the toxins. I don't get sicker I just don't get better. Are you familar with Shoemaker's work? I would love to figure this out. Great question. Sharon > > Hi All, > > I'm noticing that some people who are relatively healthy are getting > reactions to MMS on low doses, while others who are quite sick, within > a relatively short period of time,can build up to 30 drops or more a > day. This confounds me a little. > > It would seem that those who are more ill should always be able to > tolerate less. That some can quickly build up to 30 drops makes me > wonder if MMS is progressively killing fewer bugs, and not just > because all the critters are dying and there are few left--if that > were the case we'd all be healed in 2 months. Rather, I wonder if the > bugs build resistance to it, as they do with pharma abx and herbs. > Does anyone have any thoughts on this? > > Thanks, > > Connie > www.lymebytes.blogspot.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2007 Report Share Posted December 23, 2007 May I toss my thoughts in here? I felt my body pH dropped due to the acidity of the activator solution, and also that my beneficial bacteria were affected. After a while I stopped taking MMS, and then Transdermal Magnesium Oil "caught my eye" and I began spraying magnesium chloride onto my skin. I find Mg to be very helpful, and I suspect that my body's magnesium was quite low. In a month or two I will try MMS again. I expect that with a higher Mg level I will "handle" the MMS differently. Phil Re: [ ] Re: MMS Puzzle! Sharon, I have had yeast/fungal issues for years. They got worse on the MMS for some reason. I am now taking a break from the MMS to get my good bacteria back into balance. This is my second day off the MMS and I woke up having a ton of yeast die-off that I did not have on the MMS. (I have been using MMS since September) I know people will poo-poo me saying that MMS does not kill the good stuff, but it did for me. I wish it weren't so because it had been great for my lyme. BTW, I was taking a ton of really good expensive probiotics while on the MMS. They did not help very much at all. I would also take neem for the yeast which used to work great until I started the MMS. After the MMS it did not work at all. It was like the MMS rendered them ineffective for some reason. I would like to start the MMS again after I rebuild my system. Then maybe I will rotate it with other protocols. Just be careful if you also have similar issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2007 Report Share Posted December 23, 2007 Hi Phil, I use transdermal and oral magnesium everyday. That does not help with the good bacteria issue or lack of. It helps with a lot of other things, but not that. -- Re: [ ] Re: MMS Puzzle! May I toss my thoughts in here? I felt my body pH dropped due to the acidity of the activator solution, and also that my beneficial bacteria were affected. After a while I stopped taking MMS, and then Transdermal Magnesium Oil "caught my eye" and I began spraying magnesium chloride onto my skin. I find Mg to be very helpful, and I suspect that my body's magnesium was quite low. In a month or two I will try MMS again. I expect that with a higher Mg level I will "handle" the MMS differently. Phil Re: [ ] Re: MMS Puzzle! Sharon, I have had yeast/fungal issues for years. They got worse on the MMS for some reason. I am now taking a break from the MMS to get my good bacteria back into balance. This is my second day off the MMS and I woke up having a ton of yeast die-off that I did not have on the MMS. (I have been using MMS since September) I know people will poo-poo me saying that MMS does not kill the good stuff, but it did for me. I wish it weren't so because it had been great for my lyme. BTW, I was taking a ton of really good expensive probiotics while on the MMS. They did not help very much at all. I would also take neem for the yeast which used to work great until I started the MMS. After the MMS it did not work at all. It was like the MMS rendered them ineffective for some reason. I would like to start the MMS again after I rebuild my system. Then maybe I will rotate it with other protocols. Just be careful if you also have similar issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2007 Report Share Posted December 23, 2007 pls what is the most bebeficial thing that magnesium can do , you are talking epsom salt right Re: [ ] Re: MMS Puzzle! Sharon, I have had yeast/fungal issues for years. They got worse on the MMS for some reason. I am now taking a break from the MMS to get my good bacteria back into balance. This is my second day off the MMS and I woke up having a ton of yeast die-off that I did not have on the MMS. (I have been using MMS since September) I know people will poo-poo me saying that MMS does not kill the good stuff, but it did for me. I wish it weren't so because it had been great for my lyme. BTW, I was taking a ton of really good expensive probiotics while on the MMS. They did not help very much at all. I would also take neem for the yeast which used to work great until I started the MMS. After the MMS it did not work at all. It was like the MMS rendered them ineffective for some reason. I would like to start the MMS again after I rebuild my system. Then maybe I will rotate it with other protocols. Just be careful if you also have similar issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2007 Report Share Posted December 23, 2007 , I think I will give the MMS a break and see if I feel better. I don't have a problem with yeast infections but the fungal oh yes. I've been taking it for awhile now as well and I think I'll give my body a break and see how I feel. How long do you suppose it takes to kill a fungus infection with the MMS? Sharon Sharon, I have had yeast/fungal issues for years. They got worse on the MMS for some reason. I am now taking a break from the MMS to get my good bacteria back into balance. This is my second day off the MMS and I woke up having a ton of yeast die-off that I did not have on the MMS. (I have been using MMS since September) I know people will poo- poo me saying that MMS does not kill the good stuff, but it did for me. I wish it weren't so because it had been great for my lyme. BTW, I was taking a ton of really good expensive probiotics while on the MMS. They did not help very much at all. I would also take neem for the yeast which used to work great until I started the MMS. After the MMS it did not work at all. It was like the MMS rendered them ineffective for some reason. I would like to start the MMS again after I rebuild my system. Then maybe I will rotate it with other protocols. Just be careful if you also have similar issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2007 Report Share Posted December 23, 2007 FWIW, I had excellent results using Atomadine form the Heritage foundation (Edgar Cayce) mixed with half dmso and put on a bandaid each night, on a lost toenail from fungus. [ ] Re: MMS Puzzle! ,I think I will give the MMS a break and see if I feel better. I don't have a problem with yeast infections but the fungal oh yes. I've been taking it for awhile now as well and I think I'll give my body a break and see how I feel. How long do you suppose it takes to kill a fungus infection with the MMS? SharonSharon,I have had yeast/fungal issues for years. They got worse on the MMS for some reason. I am now taking a break from the MMS to get my good bacteria back into balance. This is my second day off the MMS and I woke up having a ton of yeast die-off that I did not have on the MMS. (I have been using MMS since September) I know people will poo-poo me saying that MMS does not kill the good stuff, but it did for me. I wish it weren't so because it had been great for my lyme. BTW, I was taking a ton of really good expensive probiotics while on the MMS. They did not help very much at all. I would also take neem for the yeast which used to work great until I started the MMS. After the MMS it did not work at all. It was like the MMS rendered them ineffective for some reason. I would like to start the MMS again after I rebuild my system. Then maybe I will rotate it with other protocols.Just be careful if you also have similar issues. Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2007 Report Share Posted December 23, 2007 Have a look at http://www.puremagoil.com/magnesium therapy.htm Phil Re: [ ] Re: MMS Puzzle! Hi Phil, I use transdermal and oral magnesium everyday. That does not help with the good bacteria issue or lack of. It helps with a lot of other things, but not that. _,_._,___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2007 Report Share Posted December 23, 2007 Jim says, and other reports from chlorine dioxide being used in hospitals and in the food processing areas, say that nothing becomes resistant to MMS/chlorine dioxide. It is strange how some healthy people can tolerate so little, while other sick people can build up to so many drops, as you say. But--I think it is just a personal difference in body types and constitutions. There's not much rhyme or reason to how MMS reacts in different people. Outside of nausea/vomiting and diarrhea (which even this can fluctuate from person to person) there's nothing else that can be considered standard reaction. Some people get tired, some get energized. Some people get diarrhea for a few hours, others get it for days on just one dose. Some get heart palpitations and flutters, others it makes the heart more regular. Some get pains in areas of old wounds, others feel nothing. It (the MMS) just does what it does for each person. Samala, -------Original Message------- Rather, I wonder if the bugs build resistance to it, as they do with pharma abx and herbs. Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2007 Report Share Posted December 23, 2007 For me the athletes's foot got worse before it got better...it took about 1.5 wks to kill it. It started healing at the areas farthest away from where it started. Each time an area got worse...itching etc then it would clear up. Then the next time or two another area would " flare up " . I've only had it 6 months so it wasn't in the nail. Kayte > I have had yeast/fungal issues for years. They got > worse on the MMS for > some reason. ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. http://tools.search./newsearch/category.php?category=shopping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2007 Report Share Posted December 24, 2007 Hi Sharon, The thing is I think it has helped the fungal infection on my toenails, but made my yeast problems worse. I don't really geet how this stuff works. It has helped with the lyme stuff a lot. But I do know it is time for a break, then I will try again for a while. -- [ ] Re: MMS Puzzle! , I think I will give the MMS a break and see if I feel better. I don't have a problem with yeast infections but the fungal oh yes. I've been taking it for awhile now as well and I think I'll give my body a break and see how I feel. How long do you suppose it takes to kill a fungus infection with the MMS? Sharon Sharon, I have had yeast/fungal issues for years. They got worse on the MMS for some reason. I am now taking a break from the MMS to get my good bacteria back into balance. This is my second day off the MMS and I woke up having a ton of yeast die-off that I did not have on the MMS. (I have been using MMS since September) I know people will poo- poo me saying that MMS does not kill the good stuff, but it did for me. I wish it weren't so because it had been great for my lyme. BTW, I was taking a ton of really good expensive probiotics while on the MMS. They did not help very much at all. I would also take neem for the yeast which used to work great until I started the MMS. After the MMS it did not work at all. It was like the MMS rendered them ineffective for some reason. I would like to start the MMS again after I rebuild my system. Then maybe I will rotate it with other protocols. Just be careful if you also have similar issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2007 Report Share Posted December 24, 2007 No, I use a transdermal magnesium gel that you put all over your body. It is magnesium citrate vs. Magnesium sulfate (Epson salt) which does not remain in the body long. Taken from the following link- more information can be found there also: http://www.internationalhealth.net/Page8.html Applications of Magnesium Oil (Mag Oil) and reported results: Mag Oil massaged into arthritic joints will often give almost instant relief from pain Mag Oil sprayed on sun damaged skin regularly will begin to rejuvenate from the inside out and after a few months will be significantly restored. Mag Oil sprayed on wrinkled skin will eventually begin to smooth out the wrinkles Mag Oil sprayed and massaged into graying hair each evening and left on overnight, will begin to restore natural hair color within weeks and stimulate the growth of hair and greatly improve hair texture. Mag Oil massaged onto balding areas of the scalp will begin to induce the growth of new hair. Mag Oil sprayed into the mouth several times daily will stimulate the medulla elongata (?) and develop enamel on the teeth. Mag Oil massaged into fibromyalgia type pain will often quickly provide relief Mag Oil mixed into a hot bath with some Prill water, will provide a very relaxing soak while delivering a huge amount of magnesium to the cells. Mag Oil rubbed regularly onto age spots will often cause them to fade and virtually disappear. Mag Oil regularly rubbed into scar tissue will cause that tissue to reform into normal tissue. Mag Oil rubbed onto skin tags will cause them to eventually drop off. Mag Oil used in a bath or sprayed on after a shower, will relieve stress. Mag Oil may be used in a foot bath or even a hand bath if circumstances or condition do not permit soaking in a tub and the full benefits of a soak can still be experienced. In only 15 to 20 minutes, our magnesium deficient bodies will extract all of the available magnesium. References from Magnesium Deficiency in "Holy Water, Sacred Oil" by Dr. C. Norman Shealy, M.D., PhD (available at Amazon ) -- Re: [ ] Re: MMS Puzzle! pls what is the most bebeficial thing that magnesium can do , you are talking epsom salt right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2007 Report Share Posted December 24, 2007 I went to dinner with my husband and daughter and felt pretty good after detoxing with ionic foot bath and taking a Epsom Salt bath. It makes me wonder if the toxins being released are to blame for causing yeast to grow. Just a thought. I'm also going to take a break but I have to say that my professor/endocrinologist says I have an infiltration disease (caused Secondary Adrenal Insufficiency). After just two doses of the MMS a skin tag under my eye rubbed off. Another skin growth on my bottom eye lid has shrunk. It makes me wonder if I have skin tags and other growths inside me and that's what they mean by infiltration disease. TB, sarcoidosis and hemochromotosis are all infiltration diseases. These growths I would imagine didn't grow over night so it makes sense that they would not disappear overnight. I'm just trying to make sense out of all this. I wish we had a decent medical system in this country so we could get some good studies. All we get are the rigged clinical trials paid for by Big Pharma. Regards, Sharon Hi Sharon, The thing is I think it has helped the fungal infection on my toenails, but made my yeast problems worse. I don't really geet how this stuff works. It has helped with the lyme stuff a lot. But I do know it is time for a break, then I will try again for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2007 Report Share Posted December 24, 2007 , Shoemaker's work clearly shows that if you have one or two genetic markers on the HLA-DR you will not be able to excrete toxins. This means your body has an inability to filter toxins. He has a database of 6500 patients that says this is the case. It's why some people exposed to mold or Lyme will get well with treatment while others will not. MMS is a wonderful product and thank you JH you have helped humanity in ways no one can imagine at this time. However if I just took the MMS and did nothing to get rid of the toxins I will stay sick because the toxins are dead and they are neurotoxins. It makes perfect sense to me but then again I have reseached this issue for over a year now. Lyme patients need to be aware of this as well as there are a few markers for them as well. It is why some Lyme patients get well while others do not. Best regards, Sharon It is strange how some healthy people can tolerate so little, while other sick people can build up to so many drops, as you say. But--I think it is just a personal difference in body types and constitutions. There's not much rhyme or reason to how MMS reacts in different people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2007 Report Share Posted December 24, 2007 >I wish we had a decent medical system in this country so we could get some good studies. All we get are the rigged clinical trials paid for by Big Pharma. Me and you both Sharon I was limping the other day because the MMS was kinda lets say moving things around a little. A friend of mine saw me limping, She's 20, She said whats wrong Bob....? I said...., Oh, I twisted my leg. She said.........Why don't you go to the Doctor...? I said FOR WHAT...? I about started laughing. I told her I was wanting my leg to heal, Wasn't interested in bills I can not afford to pay, Nor was I interested in becoming a drug addict. It would be so neet to have access to people that want to truly heals us, Wouldn't that be the day.....LMAO!!!!!! Bob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2007 Report Share Posted December 24, 2007 I agree with you Sharon, To a point. I am not disagreeing with you. But...., I think Shoemaker like Beck did what he could do with what he had at the time he did it. There were so many things these people did not know about because one life time doe's not allow for that. In other words, If I had these markers, I would STILL search for away to get this crap out of my body, For I am sure out there somewhere lies the answer. And I will betcha somewhere out there...., Some one had these markers (maybe unknowingly) and expelled and healed because of their chemistry which could have been changed by their diet or a combination of protocols which in their case was the magic key. But I totally agree with lots of peoples inability to discard toxins as easily as others. Bob. > > , > > Shoemaker's work clearly shows that if you have one or two genetic > markers on the HLA-DR you will not be able to excrete toxins. This > means your body has an inability to filter toxins. He has a database > of 6500 patients that says this is the case. It's why some people > exposed to mold or Lyme will get well with treatment while others > will not. MMS is a wonderful product and thank you JH you have > helped humanity in ways no one can imagine at this time. However if > I just took the MMS and did nothing to get rid of the toxins I will > stay sick because the toxins are dead and they are neurotoxins. It > makes perfect sense to me but then again I have reseached this issue > for over a year now. > > Lyme patients need to be aware of this as well as there are a few > markers for them as well. It is why some Lyme patients get well > while others do not. > > Best regards, > Sharon > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2007 Report Share Posted December 24, 2007 On 23 Dec 2007 at 15:07, Connie wrote about : Subject : [ ] MMS Pu > Hi All, > > I'm noticing that some people who are relatively healthy are getting > reactions to MMS on low doses, while others who are quite sick, within > a relatively short period of time,can build up to 30 drops or more a > day. This confounds me a little. > > It would seem that those who are more ill should always be able to > tolerate less. That some can quickly build up to 30 drops makes me > wonder if MMS is progressively killing fewer bugs, and not just > because all the critters are dying and there are few left--if that > were the case we'd all be healed in 2 months. Rather, I wonder if the > bugs build resistance to it, as they do with pharma abx and herbs. > Does anyone have any thoughts on this? > > Thanks, > > Connie > www.lymebytes.blogspot.com > Hi Connie, Perhaps it is because people who are relatively healthy are generally also relatively alkaline and so can release waste easier. If one is " acid " then we tend to hold on to stuff. The motivation to alkalise the interstitial tissue ( the space between the cells ) is that then there is better oxygen transfer from blood to tissue, there is better energy (atp) conversion , and there is better, easier, waste transfer. hth, Tony M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2007 Report Share Posted December 24, 2007 This is very interesting Sharon. I still say that for anyone that is sick, MMS is a wonderful blessing but you STILL have to help the body. The body will expel toxins--if it apparently doesn't have the markers you speak of--but it still is important for any ill person, markers or no, to do toxin removals via baths, saunas, supplements, exercise, etc. And, they still need to support the body by giving it good foods, water, exercise, supplements, etc. MMS kills pathogens, but it doesn't rebuild the body. I can't see anyone in ill health relying on any one method, no matter how good it seems to be. Getting well is a combination of various efforts. It does seem that some people can heal on very little extra work, while others do everything in their power to get well and still have not achieved peak health. Everyone is different, and every body needs different approaches. But I think everyone could do with a good toxin removal protocol--even if it's just hard work or exercise that brings on a good sweat. :-) I hope you find your peak health soon. Samala, -------Original Message------- Shoemaker's work clearly shows that if you have one or two genetic markers on the HLA-DR you will not be able to excrete toxins. This means your body has an inability to filter toxins. He has a database of 6500 patients that says this is the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2007 Report Share Posted December 24, 2007 Hi Sharon, Is there a relatively inexpensive test for the marker on the HLA-DR? Are there only certain doctors who are familiar with it and can order it? I'm familiar with Dr. Shoemaker...and I'm hoping that he's not the only one who orders this test. Thanks, Avril In , " Sharon " <shha2002@...> wrote: > > Hi Connie, > > I have wondered that myself and I have also wondered if it isn't our > genetic inability to filter toxins that determines the reaction. In > other words if you have a marker on the HLA-DR perhaps your reaction > will be worse and you will need toxin binding drugs or supplements. > What if you have two markers perhaps it's twice as bad. I don't know > for sure but would like to throw this out there. > > I'm running into this with mold exposure. I'm not getting better on > the MMS and believe it's because my body is having a hard time > getting rid of the toxins. I don't get sicker I just don't get > better. > > Are you familar with Shoemaker's work? > > I would love to figure this out. Great question. > > Sharon > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > I'm noticing that some people who are relatively healthy are getting > > reactions to MMS on low doses, while others who are quite sick, > within > > a relatively short period of time,can build up to 30 drops or more > a > > day. This confounds me a little. > > > > It would seem that those who are more ill should always be able to > > tolerate less. That some can quickly build up to 30 drops makes me > > wonder if MMS is progressively killing fewer bugs, and not just > > because all the critters are dying and there are few left--if that > > were the case we'd all be healed in 2 months. Rather, I wonder if > the > > bugs build resistance to it, as they do with pharma abx and herbs. > > Does anyone have any thoughts on this? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Connie > > www.lymebytes.blogspot.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2007 Report Share Posted December 24, 2007 Hi , On the salt/c protocol we are encouraged to take an anti-fungal not because salt/c wipes out all the good bacteria but because Candida has a thicker cell wall. It takes longer for salt/c to do its destructive work on the cell wall so osmotic shock can occur. So, Candida can have the upper hand for a while as Lyme (bacteria) is destroyed first. It's my understanding that even bad bacteria can keep Candida in check to a certain extent. Just wondering if the same principle might be involved with MMS. Someone else will have to take it from here, because I'm not that familiar with the " mechanics " of MMS. Just a thought, Avril In , " susan " <ssiegel5@...> wrote: > > Sharon, > > I have had yeast/fungal issues for years. They got worse on the MMS for > some reason. I am now taking a break from the MMS to get my good bacteria > back into balance. This is my second day off the MMS and I woke up having > a ton of yeast die-off that I did not have on the MMS. (I have been using > MMS since September) I know people will poo-poo me saying that MMS does not > kill the good stuff, but it did for me. I wish it weren't so because it had > been great for my lyme. BTW, I was taking a ton of really good expensive > probiotics while on the MMS. They did not help very much at all. I would > also take neem for the yeast which used to work great until I started the > MMS. After the MMS it did not work at all. It was like the MMS rendered > them ineffective for some reason. I would like to start the MMS again > after I rebuild my system. Then maybe I will rotate it with other protocols > > > Just be careful if you also have similar issues. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2007 Report Share Posted December 24, 2007 , I am on toxin binding supplements as I am following Dr. Kolb's and Dr. Shoemaker's protocol. What seems to be elusive here is your understanding of mold exposure. It does not matter how healthy one is when one gets this disease if you have the marker you will not get well without the help of toxin binding supplements or drugs. Some people never recover no matter what they do. If I was the healthiest person on earth it wouldn't matter with one of these markers and exposure. As for exercise it's not possible until I get well. This is something that also happens with this disease its called post exertion malaise. It actually makes the situation worse and can result in a major set back. It has something to do with the inflammatory response where cytokines are released and the body starts to attack them or its an overreaction and toxic (can't remember but I know it's bad). I believe it is the same for Lyme patients. We're all here to learn so I hope you find this information helpful. When I became ill I was on Body for Life for two years and weighed 118 lbs and exercised six times a week. I gained 50 lbs due to taking steroids and a Cushing's like syndrome and finally was diagnosed with Secondary Adrenal Insufficiency. I'm high risk for cancer and I have a family so I am motivated to get well but I have to take it a day at a time and without the knowledge of this disease I know I would be in a lot worse shape. Happy Holidays! Sharon > > This is very interesting Sharon. I still say that for anyone that is sick, > MMS is a wonderful blessing but you STILL have to help the body. The body > will expel toxins--if it apparently doesn't have the markers you speak > of--but it still is important for any ill person, markers or no, to do toxin > removals via baths, saunas, supplements, exercise, etc. And, they still > need to support the body by giving it good foods, water, exercise, > supplements, etc. > > MMS kills pathogens, but it doesn't rebuild the body. I can't see anyone in > ill health relying on any one method, no matter how good it seems to be. > Getting well is a combination of various efforts. It does seem that some > people can heal on very little extra work, while others do everything in > their power to get well and still have not achieved peak health. Everyone > is different, and every body needs different approaches. But I think > everyone could do with a good toxin removal protocol--even if it's just hard > work or exercise that brings on a good sweat. :-) > > I hope you find your peak health soon. > > Samala, > > > -------Original Message------- > > Shoemaker's work clearly shows that if you have one or two genetic > markers on the HLA-DR you will not be able to excrete toxins. This > means your body has an inability to filter toxins. He has a database > of 6500 patients that says this is the case. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2007 Report Share Posted December 24, 2007 Hi Arvil, From my understanding the test is not cheap. Dr. Shoemaker has a new website at www.biotoxin.info where he posts his protocol or you can purchase it for a small fee. Any doctor can order the tests but I believe only a few labs will do them as with any genetic testing. I found out I have the marker though another way. I tested positive for the VCS test ($15 on line) and it was confirmed by a reading of less than eight 8 on the MSH test(normal is 35-80). Dr. Kolb told me that she knows I have a marker because I wouldn't have the disease if I didn't have the marker. With Lyme disease it is probably more important as you're dealing with so many co-infections. I hope this helps. Happy Holidays! Sharon " Hi Sharon, Is there a relatively inexpensive test for the marker on the HLA-DR? Are there only certain doctors who are familiar with it and can order it? I'm familiar with Dr. Shoemaker...and I'm hoping that he's not the only one who orders this test. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2007 Report Share Posted December 24, 2007 Avril, It makes sense to me that this would happen while taking the MMS. I am not an expert but if the bad bacteria kept the Candida in check and you started killing off the bacteria it could result in the Candida getting out of control. I thought MMS would kill the Candida. Perhaps it's not killing it at the same rate as it's killing the bacteria. Soooooo complicated. Does anyone know if MMS kills off Candida? Great topic. Sharon " Hi , On the salt/c protocol we are encouraged to take an anti-fungal not because salt/c wipes out all the good bacteria but because Candida has a thicker cell wall. It takes longer for salt/c to do its destructive work on the cell wall so osmotic shock can occur. So, Candida can have the upper hand for a while as Lyme (bacteria) is destroyed first. It's my understanding that even bad bacteria can keep Candida in check to a certain extent. Just wondering if the same principle might be involved with MMS. Someone else will have to take it from here, because I'm not that familiar with the " mechanics " of MMS. Just a thought, Avril " > Sharon, > > I have had yeast/fungal issues for years. They got worse on the MMS for > some reason. I am now taking a break from the MMS to get my good bacteria > back into balance. This is my second day off the MMS and I woke up having > a ton of yeast die-off that I did not have on the MMS. (I have been using > MMS since September) I know people will poo-poo me saying that MMS does not > kill the good stuff, but it did for me. I wish it weren't so because it had > been great for my lyme. BTW, I was taking a ton of really good expensive > probiotics while on the MMS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2007 Report Share Posted December 24, 2007 Hi Avril, I do take a lot of anti-fungals (non-persscription) and probiotics. I don't know about the MMS, just what I have experienced and being off it right now is helping al to with the yeast. So I will stay off for a while then start back up and rotate it more often so as to avoid yeast build-up. -- [ ] Re: MMS Puzzle! Hi , On the salt/c protocol we are encouraged to take an anti-fungal not because salt/c wipes out all the good bacteria but because Candida has a thicker cell wall. It takes longer for salt/c to do its destructive work on the cell wall so osmotic shock can occur. So, Candida can have the upper hand for a while as Lyme (bacteria) is destroyed first. It's my understanding that even bad bacteria can keep Candida in check to a certain extent. Just wondering if the same principle might be involved with MMS. Someone else will have to take it from here, because I'm not that familiar with the "mechanics" of MMS. Just a thought, Avril In , "susan" <ssiegel5@...> wrote: > > Sharon, > > I have had yeast/fungal issues for years. They got worse on the MMS for > some reason. I am now taking a break from the MMS to get my good bacteria > back into balance. This is my second day off the MMS and I woke up having > a ton of yeast die-off that I did not have on the MMS. (I have been using > MMS since September) I know people will poo-poo me saying that MMS does not > kill the good stuff, but it did for me. I wish it weren't so because it had > been great for my lyme. BTW, I was taking a ton of really good expensive > probiotics while on the MMS. They did not help very much at all. I would > also take neem for the yeast which used to work great until I started the > MMS. After the MMS it did not work at all. It was like the MMS rendered > them ineffective for some reason. I would like to start the MMS again > after I rebuild my system. Then maybe I will rotate it with other protocols > > > Just be careful if you also have similar issues. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2007 Report Share Posted December 24, 2007 Sharon, you are not understanding what I said. I said that a person needs to detox, and that if, as you say, there are people without the ability to detox naturally then taking things to help detox would be necessary, as it is absolutely important to detox. Why you keep insisting that I don't understand this--I'm just not sure. Whether the toxins are from mold, lyme, chemicals, etc. The body has to be able to eliminate them to get well--and if a person can't eliminate them then they can't be well. I understand that. My understanding of everything it takes for a person with markers to eliminate them may not be anywhere near as extensive as your understanding is not in question--you are living this problem so you understand that way more than I do. But I understand the concept. As I said, I hope you find an answer. Samala, -------Original Message------- What seems to be elusive here is your understanding of mold exposure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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