Guest guest Posted December 24, 2007 Report Share Posted December 24, 2007 I hope I find a cure. Thanks. Most people do not understand the exercise thing either and exercising too quickly can take you down. I'm glad for your posts you are very knowledgable. Regards, Sharon It's good to have this discussion. > > Sharon, you are not understanding what I said. I said that a person needs > to detox, and that if, as you say, there are people without the ability to > detox naturally then taking things to help detox would be necessary, as it > is absolutely important to detox. Why you keep insisting that I don't > understand this--I'm just not sure. Whether the toxins are from mold, lyme, > chemicals, etc. The body has to be able to eliminate them to get well--and > if a person can't eliminate them then they can't be well. I understand that > My understanding of everything it takes for a person with markers to > eliminate them may not be anywhere near as extensive as your understanding > is not in question--you are living this problem so you understand that way > more than I do. But I understand the concept. > > As I said, I hope you find an answer. > > Samala, > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > What seems to be elusive here is your > understanding of mold exposure. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2007 Report Share Posted December 24, 2007 Would gentle bouncing on a mini trampoline help? I know that for older people or even wheel chair bound people they have that person just sit on the jumper and then someone else gently bounces. It's the up and down movement that moves lymph and blood (and helps them detoxify). So maybe you could just stand on the jumper and do the gentle bounce--feet not at all leaving the material? Samala, -------Original Message------- I hope I find a cure. Thanks. Most people do not understand the exercise thing either and exercising too quickly can take you down. I'm glad for your posts you are very knowledgable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2007 Report Share Posted December 24, 2007 JH actually warn about that and says that people with Lyme should be on powerfull probiotics and never activate with viniger. Only then will they get better > > > > Hi All, > > > > I'm noticing that some people who are relatively healthy are getting > > reactions to MMS on low doses, while others who are quite sick, > within > > a relatively short period of time,can build up to 30 drops or more > a > > day. This confounds me a little. > > > > It would seem that those who are more ill should always be able to > > tolerate less. That some can quickly build up to 30 drops makes me > > wonder if MMS is progressively killing fewer bugs, and not just > > because all the critters are dying and there are few left--if that > > were the case we'd all be healed in 2 months. Rather, I wonder if > the > > bugs build resistance to it, as they do with pharma abx and herbs. > > Does anyone have any thoughts on this? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Connie > > www.lymebytes.blogspot.com > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2007 Report Share Posted December 24, 2007 same for me with the flare ups of itching. also with cold sores. they would go away over night instead of a week or two. > > For me the athletes's foot got worse before it got > better...it took about 1.5 wks to kill it. It started > healing at the areas farthest away from where it > started. Each time an area got worse...itching etc > then it would clear up. Then the next time or two > another area would " flare up " . I've only had it 6 > months so it wasn't in the nail. > > Kayte > > > > I have had yeast/fungal issues for years. They got > > worse on the MMS for > > some reason. > > > ______________________________________________________________________ ______________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Search. http://tools.search./newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2007 Report Share Posted December 24, 2007 kind of personal but i have to share. before mms i was taking an oral chelator agent. when you put it in your mouth there was a distinct smell of sulfer and your first potty after its dose was stinky smelling the same way. i did not realize that my body was not getting rid of all of the product. so if it was attaching to heavy metals then i dont know where it was but it was not coming out. i found this out after i began taking mms. for a solid 2 weeks on mms, every time i went pee there was the strong smell of this chelator eventhough i did not dose with it. now that tells me that mms is a stronger detoxer and chelator then the one i got from my doc. > > , > > Shoemaker's work clearly shows that if you have one or two genetic > markers on the HLA-DR you will not be able to excrete toxins. This > means your body has an inability to filter toxins. He has a database > of 6500 patients that says this is the case. It's why some people > exposed to mold or Lyme will get well with treatment while others > will not. MMS is a wonderful product and thank you JH you have > helped humanity in ways no one can imagine at this time. However if > I just took the MMS and did nothing to get rid of the toxins I will > stay sick because the toxins are dead and they are neurotoxins. It > makes perfect sense to me but then again I have reseached this issue > for over a year now. > > Lyme patients need to be aware of this as well as there are a few > markers for them as well. It is why some Lyme patients get well > while others do not. > > Best regards, > Sharon > > It is strange how some healthy people can tolerate so little, while > other sick people can build up to so many drops, as you say. But-- I > think it is just a personal difference in body types and > constitutions. There's not much rhyme or reason to how MMS reacts in > different people. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2007 Report Share Posted December 24, 2007 I agree eventhough I have seen great results with mms helping me personally with detox and lessening my herxes, i think we should continue with a good detox, exercise, supplement, ect program. we have to help our bodies heal once the bugs are gone. > > This is very interesting Sharon. I still say that for anyone that is sick, > MMS is a wonderful blessing but you STILL have to help the body. The body > will expel toxins--if it apparently doesn't have the markers you speak > of--but it still is important for any ill person, markers or no, to do toxin > removals via baths, saunas, supplements, exercise, etc. And, they still > need to support the body by giving it good foods, water, exercise, > supplements, etc. > > MMS kills pathogens, but it doesn't rebuild the body. I can't see anyone in > ill health relying on any one method, no matter how good it seems to be. > Getting well is a combination of various efforts. It does seem that some > people can heal on very little extra work, while others do everything in > their power to get well and still have not achieved peak health. Everyone > is different, and every body needs different approaches. But I think > everyone could do with a good toxin removal protocol--even if it's just hard > work or exercise that brings on a good sweat. :-) > > I hope you find your peak health soon. > > Samala, > > > -------Original Message------- > > Shoemaker's work clearly shows that if you have one or two genetic > markers on the HLA-DR you will not be able to excrete toxins. This > means your body has an inability to filter toxins. He has a database > of 6500 patients that says this is the case. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2007 Report Share Posted December 24, 2007 I have been reading about this and would love to try but my finances are a bit stretched right now. Thanks for the suggestion and I will eventually try this but just can't do it right now. Sharon > > Would gentle bouncing on a mini trampoline help? I know that for older > people or even wheel chair bound people they have that person just sit on > the jumper and then someone else gently bounces. It's the up and down > movement that moves lymph and blood (and helps them detoxify). So maybe you > could just stand on the jumper and do the gentle bounce--feet not at all > leaving the material? > > Samala, > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2007 Report Share Posted December 25, 2007 Avril, If I remember rightly the word from Bee of the Candida List was that candida is a normal inhabitant of the gut so the object is not to get rid of it but to restore the balance. So it would seem candida may not qualify as a 'bad' bacteria so it may not succumb to MMS at all. But the balance must be altered by MMS, but in what way? The relationships among all these critters is probably incredibly complex. Maybe MMS kills some of their friends, (or enemies). I believe Bee would say diet is the only way to control candida. But possibly using MMS will cause changes in our diets because we killed critters that are causing us to feed them their favorite snacks. Dunno. Just casting around for something that might make sense. Naomi [ ] Re: MMS Puzzle! Hi ,On the salt/c protocol we are encouraged to take an anti-fungal not because salt/c wipes out all the good bacteria but because Candida has a thicker cell wall. It takes longer for salt/c to do its destructive work on the cell wall so osmotic shock can occur. So, Candida can have the upper hand for a while as Lyme (bacteria) is destroyed first. It's my understanding that even bad bacteria can keep Candida in check to a certain extent. Just wondering if the same principle might be involved with MMS. Someone else will have to take it from here, because I'm not that familiar with the "mechanics" of MMS.Just a thought,AvrilIn , "susan" <ssiegel5@...> wrote:>> Sharon,> > I have had yeast/fungal issues for years. They got worse on the MMS for> some reason. I am now taking a break from the MMS to get my good bacteria> back into balance. This is my second day off the MMS and I woke up having> a ton of yeast die-off that I did not have on the MMS. (I have been using> MMS since September) I know people will poo-poo me saying that MMS does not> kill the good stuff, but it did for me. I wish it weren't so because it had> been great for my lyme. BTW, I was taking a ton of really good expensive> probiotics while on the MMS. They did not help very much at all. I would> also take neem for the yeast which used to work great until I started the> MMS. After the MMS it did not work at all. It was like the MMS rendered> them ineffective for some reason. I would like to start the MMS again> after I rebuild my system. Then maybe I will rotate it with other protocols> > > Just be careful if you also have similar issues.> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2007 Report Share Posted December 26, 2007 I take charcoal every day to help with the toxins. I think it helps...I just put a heaping spoon of charcoal pdr in some juice. There is no flavor just texture. Kayte --- Sharon <shha2002@...> wrote: > I went to dinner with my husband and daughter and > felt pretty good > after detoxing with ionic foot bath and taking a > Epsom Salt bath. It > makes me wonder if the toxins being released are to > blame for causing > yeast to grow. Just a thought. > > I'm also going to take a break but I have to say > that my > professor/endocrinologist says I have an > infiltration disease (caused > Secondary Adrenal Insufficiency). After just two > doses of the MMS a > skin tag under my eye rubbed off. Another skin > growth on my bottom > eye lid has shrunk. It makes me wonder if I have > skin tags and other > growths inside me and that's what they mean by > infiltration disease. > TB, sarcoidosis and hemochromotosis are all > infiltration diseases. > These growths I would imagine didn't grow over night > so it makes > sense that they would not disappear overnight. > > I'm just trying to make sense out of all this. I > wish we had a > decent medical system in this country so we could > get some good > studies. All we get are the rigged clinical trials > paid for by Big > Pharma. > > Regards, > Sharon > > > Hi Sharon, > > The thing is I think it has helped the fungal > infection on my > toenails, but made my yeast problems worse. I don't > really geet how > this stuff works. It has helped with the lyme stuff > a lot. But I do > know it is time for a break, then I will try again > for a while. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2007 Report Share Posted December 26, 2007 Hi Naomi, You're right, Candida is a normal part of our gut flora but when it has dominance it grows rhizoids (long burrowing legs) and penetrates the gut walls and eventually goes into the bloodstream where it becomes toxins. I wonder if it becomes acidic at that point. If I remember JH's theory, MMS is " attracted " to acidic micro-organisms. I'm like you " casting around for something that makes sense " . I feel like Alice in Wonderland...things are becoming curiouser and curiouser. I've noticed a few posts by people who say that MMS has changed their tastes, so now they want healthy foods....then they're not feeding Candida, like you said. Avril In , " Naomi " <naomilh@...> wrote: > > Avril, > If I remember rightly the word from Bee of the Candida List was that candida is a normal inhabitant of the gut so the object is not to get rid of it but to restore the balance. So it would seem candida may not qualify as a 'bad' bacteria so it may not succumb to MMS at all. But the balance must be altered by MMS, but in what way? The relationships among all these critters is probably incredibly complex. Maybe MMS kills some of their friends, (or enemies). I believe Bee would say diet is the only way to control candida. But possibly using MMS will cause changes in our diets because we killed critters that are causing us to feed them their favorite snacks. Dunno. Just casting around for something that might make sense. > Naomi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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