MMS & Supplements

[Guest guest]

I was wondering what others think about this. It's a post about a

toxin let loose after a kill off of a pathogen. Even though the

water was purified with chlorine the toxins were still in the water

and according to the article people got sick because of the toxins.

I want to open this for discussion.

http://www.chronicneurotoxins.com/learnmore/cylindrospermopsis.cfm

Florida's New Public Health Menace

This outbreak is a striking example of an environmentally acquired

illness arising from changes in chemical usage on land. The lakes

around Orlando in Central Florida have a new, exotic invader, a toxin

forming Cyanobacteria (commonly called blue-green algae) with a jaw-

breaking name - Cylindrospermopsis - not found in Florida before

1995. Copper in the water normally kills this organism. In Australia,

copper sulfate treatment of reservoirs has repeatedly caused algae

cell death and release of endotoxin from the algae. Because normal

water treatment (without activated charcoal filtering) doesn't remove

cyanotoxins, they made many people sick and caused liver damage. In

Brazil, water was pumped from a reservoir during a algal bloom into

tanker trucks for transport to dialysis clinics. Of course, the water

was treated with chlorine to kill any organisms that might be

present. The treatment killed the algae, releasing their toxins into

the water. Over a weekend, more than a 100 hemodialysis patients

became severely ill with liver and nerve damage. The first sign of

illness was often blindness. The poisoning resulted in the death of

over 50 patients. The algae there were marginally resistant to

copper, but simply killing the algae during a bloom is not the answer

to safe drinking water.

In Florida, the algae is resistant to copper and also is resistant to

a fungicide, benomyl (see chapter 4 and 5 in Desperation Medicine)

that has been used widely in Florida. If you take a sample of water

from a fresh water lake, even one from Florida a few years ago, you

normally find over 300 species of algae. Statistically, none will be

resistant to the lethal effects of copper. Anecdotally, all will

grow, even if fungicides like benomyl are present. In Florida, the

genetically altered Cylindro ignores any of the known algae poisons,

including those noted above. Now drops of water from Lake ,

Lake and Lake Apopka will likely have only Cylindro in it,

having out competed other algae. In these lakes, and others that feed

into the Oklawaha watershed that is the source of the St. 's

River, Cylindro now comprises 95% of the total algal biomass.

Cylindro is now found in over 80% of Florida's lakes, and is rapidly

spreading throughout North America, probably on boats and the bodies

of ill waterfowl.

Florida health and environmental agencies have been studying the

explosive growth of Cylindro, but have not been able to develop a

management plan as yet. Meanwhile, the algae have been linked to

massive die-offs of migratory fish eating birds, especially pelicans,

in newly flooded wetlands around the farms adjacent to Lake Apopka.

Alligators are dying in record numbers in Lake , but not

before behaving erratically and sluggishly, demonstrating

neurotoxicity, much as fish poisoned by Pfiesteria behave.

Neurologic testing has shown clear evidence of the effects of a

neurotoxin, but no one will officially confirm what many workers in

the field believe: the algae toxins are killing the alligators. Even

worse, the alligator eggs are not hatching despite being fertile.

The human illness acquired from exposure to toxins in Lake

has all the typical neurotoxin symptoms. Patients are tired, with

muscle aches, diarrhea, memory impairment and confusion. They cough,

can't tolerate bright light and they hurt all over. Fortunately, the

VCS test detects the toxin and therapy is beneficial. The problem of

residential acquisition is that its difficult to avoid. What should a

patient do if the evening breeze coming off a pea green lake onto his

front porch carries a toxin in the mist that makes him sick over and

over again?

[Guest guest]

Topic Toxins.

I'm wondering if it makes sense to take toxin binding supplements with

the MMS. With Malaria it kills the pathogen but the pathogen doesn't

have a lot of time for the toxins to build up where as a lot of us have

had disease for years.

What do you think. Would it make MMS more effective?

[Guest guest]

That was chlorine, not chlorine dioxide.

Read the book, you'll get the picture on the difference.

Chlorine is bad stuff. Chlorine dioxide is not.

Kathy

[Guest guest]

Kathy read the post. I was not even talking about the toxicity of

either substance I was talking about what happens after the kill off

of the pathogens and toxins are released. Please never say to me

read the book again until you can assure me that you have read it.

It doesn't sound to me as if you have.

Sharon H.

>

> That was chlorine, not chlorine dioxide.

> Read the book, you'll get the picture on the

> difference.

> Chlorine is bad stuff. Chlorine dioxide is not.

>

> Kathy

>

[Guest guest]

Sharon, thanks, I read the post, and got a different reaction to it than you did. I have a friend in Florida in the Health Supplement Industry who alerted me to this a few weeks ago and so I was familiar with the problem.

I apologize for forgetting your mold problem. That said, I was coming at it from a different angle.

Correct me if I'm wrong here.

You are assuming that the kill off in the lake is from the Cylindrospermopsis, not a reaction of the Cylindrospermopsis to the chlorine.

Is that correct?

I am assuming that the kill off in the lake, because it was done with chlorine, left behind the toxins that ultimately killed people.

I am assuming that the Cylindrospermopsis, if killed with chlorine dioxide, would have left behind a harmless environment.

However, I can see why you would connect the dots in the way you did, being that you are dealing with mycotoxins in your body. That is perfectly understandable and I forgot and I apologize.

The question I would have at this point is, how do you know you have mycotoxins, and how do you know they are caused by the mold in the process of being killed off by the MMS, and not by the mold regardless of the MMS. I am very curious as to your theories here.

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=164220

This article is deep, but what I get from it is that "All mycotoxins are low-molecular-weight natural products (i.e., small molecules) produced as secondary metabolites by filamentous fungi." When it is killed by MMS, would it not be inert and simply waste? Wouldn't the MMS kill the mycotoxins? The only thing I remember from the Miracle Mineral book is that killing off too many toxins causes symptoms of nausea and diarrhea.

So are you saying you believe that the MMS is causing the mycotoxins?

Please clarify this.

Do you or your doctor have the equipment to verify that the MMS is causing the mycotoxins?

Or am I just missing the point entirely?

Perhaps we can approach this from another angle, what do you think?

What are you using for binders? That link says that probiotics can bind some mycotoxins.

Kathy