Re: [MDI_News] logic, reasoning OR Fuzzy Logic

November 30, 2007

Wayne Fugitt wrote:

>

> It is used in the control systems for refrigerators, washers, dryers,

> and other sophisticated appliances today.

Yes, I wondered if anyone was going to remark on the fact that Fuzzy

Logic is a computing term. It's perhaps most easily explained by talking

about thermostats,

Whatever the terminology used in talking about the resistance to

precision that sparked the topic, one should of course recognise that it

is by no means peculiar to women.

When it comes to cooking, for instance, I personally am very reluctant

to submit to the tyranny of recipes. My main objection to them is that

they rarely make clear which of the instructions or quantities specified

are essential and which optional, nor attempt to make clear what is

actually going on in the interactions of the ingredients. For example,

of the countless thousands of people who use baking powder, how many do

you suppose actually know what it is and does, let alone know that they

could save significant money over a period of time by replacing, e.g. " 3

tsps baking powder " with " 2 tsps baking soda + 1 tsp citric acid " .

Recipe books basically cater to people who don't actually want to

understand a process, but just want a set of simple instructions, from

which they may then never dare to deviate. My own method with a new dish

is usually to follow a recipe precisely one time to set a sort of

standard, and then improvise from there. Cooking for me is very like

improvising music....

Oddly enough, in my experience it is more likely to be a female than a

male observer who is alarmed by watching the way I cook, without blind

respect for The Recipe. I don't see this usually as an indication of

their having more logical minds, and myself as a fuzzy logician, so much

as their being more inclined to follow than explore.

In the domain of medicine, however, I take a completely different view,

and it is ironic to find myself in some discussions about MMS being the

one who is seeking a precise recipe or formula, while various of the

ladies are insisting on allowing wide margins of deviation.

My view is that only when one knows exactly what the chemicals involved

are doing, and how they are interacting with each other and with

whatever they, singly or in concert, are encountering in the body, can

one feel free to decide which details matter and which don't.

Case in point: the issue of quantification of the MMS activation agent

has produced, despite the resistance of those who seemed to want to

censor the topic, the consensus that it doesn't matter how strong an

acid is used nor how much, as long as it exceeds the strength of a 10%

solution of citric acid in a 5:1 ratio. The opinion has been offered

that the 3 minute waiting period is critical, but it has not been made

clear what difference it makes if one waits for longer than that.

Any of these aspects may or may not be the kind about which one can be

very loose without worrying about consequences, but they equally

possibly could be critical, and for this reason I think it best to try

to ascertain exactly what is going on at the molecular level before one

allows oneself to be cavalier with quantifiables.

November 30, 2007

Your intent here is good. However, it appears to me that you are asking

questions that have been answered but you want to delegate the

responsibility of finding the information to someone else rather than

doing any work yourself. (You sound like my boss... ;-))

The issues of activation times etc have been covered quite well in Jim

Hubble's book part 1 and 2. Also, either in this list or the MDI list,

Marshall Dudley wrote a very well thought out and presented analysis of

the chemistry of the combination of Citric acid and MMS and why we need

a 10% solution and a ratio of 5:1 drops, etc.

You seem to have a gift for organization, so how about doing a little

legwork and organizing all this stuff for us duffers.

Thanks,

Dan

________________________________

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Chris

Case

Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 8:56 PM

MDI_News ;

Subject: [ ] Re: [MDI_News] logic, reasoning OR

Fuzzy Logic