Guest guest Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 Had some flu-like symptoms but worked thru them and reached 12 drops twice per day. Problem now is I'm very, very tired. Take 1 dose AM and 1 dose PM. Couple hours after the AM dose I'm dragging, can hardly move. Anyone know why, what's going on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2009 Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 Interesting. I am unsure what to do. I was hypothyroid, had all the symptoms, and TSH, T4, T3 were postivit. I am unable to take Armour or Thyroxine because it affected my heart in a negative way. I have hert failure and arrythmias. Adrenals support both from porcine and bovine caused a reaction. My tests are now normal, but I still have all the symptoms, including rapid weight gain, which is not going down. Input appreciated, Thanks. Kooky > > It took me a long time to find someone who could read a thyroid test > correctly. > I finally found a general md who agreed to refer me to an > endocrinologist who listed to my list of symptoms and told me I did not > have a thyroid problem. (I had gotten list from a thyroid organization) > > He was so sure that I was not hypothyroid, but listened when I told him > my grandmother died of thyroid cancer. I had read that untreated thyroid > problems could lead to cancer. > > He humored me and did some testing and was surprised when I WAS hypothyroid. > > Also, at your age are you taking vitamin supplements? I feel the best > ones are from health food stores and not the simple GNC stores. > > good luck > joyce > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 Hi kooky: I am taking a thyroid pill that is a compound and it is called thyrolar it is really good for me In the past, I had a reaction to the natural thyroid pill. So I was really afraid of taking something. I had had lumps on my neck appear when I stopped taking the thyroid pill. It took me 3 months of Accupunture to get rid of the lumps. not fun! Have you ever taken pain killers like Vicoden. My daughter developed arrythmias after having her wisdom teeth taken out and taking this drug. linda ________________________________ From: kookyfurst <kookyfurst@...> Dr Sent: Sunday, September 6, 2009 10:56:18 AM Subject: Re:why am I so tired? Interesting. I am unsure what to do. I was hypothyroid, had all the symptoms, and TSH, T4, T3 were postivit. I am unable to take Armour or Thyroxine because it affected my heart in a negative way. I have hert failure and arrythmias. Adrenals support both from porcine and bovine caused a reaction. My tests are now normal, but I still have all the symptoms, including rapid weight gain, which is not going down. Input appreciated, Thanks. Kooky > > It took me a long time to find someone who could read a thyroid test > correctly. > I finally found a general md who agreed to refer me to an > endocrinologist who listed to my list of symptoms and told me I did not > have a thyroid problem. (I had gotten list from a thyroid organization) > > He was so sure that I was not hypothyroid, but listened when I told him > my grandmother died of thyroid cancer. I had read that untreated thyroid > problems could lead to cancer. > > He humored me and did some testing and was surprised when I WAS hypothyroid. > > Also, at your age are you taking vitamin supplements? I feel the best > ones are from health food stores and not the simple GNC stores. > > good luck > joyce > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 Hi I take no medication. The reason I have the heart failure, toxic hepatitis, and failing kidneys and a myriad of other health probs is preciSELY because of prescribed fluoroquinolones antibiotics, lariam and vaccines. Most people are not aware that local anesthetics can cause cardiac electrical conduction, causing arrythmias. Doctors then label the patient with panick attacks diagnosis, and then prescribe anti depressants, which makes it worse, and increase anxiety, depression, suicide ideation and depression, once tolerance level is achieved. There are many off the counter drugs which can cause arrythmias and influx of catecholamines. This includes asthma spray, sinus sprays, etc... Often, on inserts of meds, side effects are listed as rare, they are not. Sometimes, side effects are delayed and no association with the med is made. I am taking care of myself, and so far, avoided worsening, and in some case, failing kidneys are now almost back to normal, liver enzymes have gone done, and heart failure is controlled. I am sorry about your daughter. All I can say, is that I was offered beta blockers, angiostensin, anti arrythymics and statins. All lethal. I read and researched about those drugs. They don't help but instead cause more disease process, and more damage to the mitonchondria. When I compare myself with those attending the Heart Failure clinic, sadly, they are taking so many drugs, and all declining, as well as developing other diseases associated with these drugs, such as asthma, diabetes and more. Likewise, pain killers are dangerous, addictive and will loose its effect after a while. For pain, and yes, I have horrific neuropathic pains, I take vits and meditate. I am terrified of taking any meds, and also what I read from pharmacology journals. No many people know that local anesthetics can also cause depression, anxiety, suicidal thoughts etc... This information can be found on The British Association of Anesthestists in the UK. I would be willing to look at the compounds in thyrolar, and may consider taking it. Could you let me know a little about the thyrolar, Many thanks K > > > > It took me a long time to find someone who could read a thyroid test > > correctly. > > I finally found a general md who agreed to refer me to an > > endocrinologist who listed to my list of symptoms and told me I did not > > have a thyroid problem. (I had gotten list from a thyroid organization) > > > > He was so sure that I was not hypothyroid, but listened when I told him > > my grandmother died of thyroid cancer. I had read that untreated thyroid > > problems could lead to cancer. > > > > He humored me and did some testing and was surprised when I WAS hypothyroid. > > > > Also, at your age are you taking vitamin supplements? I feel the best > > ones are from health food stores and not the simple GNC stores. > > > > good luck > > joyce > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 Hi Merc Thanks but no thanks, lol. TCM is very good, but they also have a lot of toxic herbs. If the CYPs in the liver and Detox Pathway I and Detox Pathway II are not working, no matter how little dosage, and this includes any meds, toxic level can be reached causing more adverse reactions. I am very interested in some of the compounds such as alkaloids, pokyphenols etc... from some fruits. They are not as toxic, and I can tolerat these. At present, I am taking some Ayurvedic meds. Triphala for instance are compounds from three fruits. I checked compounds from those fruits in US & Europena science and medical journals. They were validated, as therapeutic, and quite powerful actually. Having said that, some TCM rems are not particularlty toxic. It is difficuly to find out about those in European and US medical and scientific journals. I would be quite willing to try some of the less toxic compounds, providing I could find a good TCM practitioner. There are quite a few in my area. Unfortunately, none of them speak English, which then gets lost in translation, <grin> There are many health issues such as mitochondri and inter and intra cellular dysfunction. Severe allergies, and adverse reaction to several foods etc... For instance, I can't eat broccoli, some of the compounds is toxic to me, and makes me violently ill. Same applies to garlic and herbs, (volatile oils, sulpher, allinase) etc... I would like to keep an open mind whilst keeping in mind my own limitations, and must avoid worsening at all costs. There are so many therapies from Dr I would to apply to my protocol. I am hoping that at some time, I will be able to start on those. Have you any suggestions? Thanks Kooky > >> > > >> > It took me a long time to find someone who could read a thyroid test > >> > correctly. > >> > I finally found a general md who agreed to refer me to an > >> > endocrinologist who listed to my list of symptoms and told me I did not > >> > have a thyroid problem. (I had gotten list from a thyroid organization) > >> > > >> > He was so sure that I was not hypothyroid, but listened when I told him > >> > my grandmother died of thyroid cancer. I had read that untreated > >> > thyroid > >> > problems could lead to cancer. > >> > > >> > He humored me and did some testing and was surprised when I WAS > >> > hypothyroid. > >> > > >> > Also, at your age are you taking vitamin supplements? I feel the best > >> > ones are from health food stores and not the simple GNC stores. > >> > > >> > good luck > >> > joyce > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 Definitely spleen qi deficiency. That's the most typical pattern with low thyroid. You should get treated. Try Bu Zhong Yi Qi Tang. Re:why am I so tired? > > Interesting. I am unsure what to do. I was hypothyroid, had all the > symptoms, and TSH, T4, T3 were postivit. I am unable to take Armour or > Thyroxine because it affected my heart in a negative way. I have hert > failure and arrythmias. Adrenals support both from porcine and bovine > caused a reaction. > > My tests are now normal, but I still have all the symptoms, including > rapid weight gain, which is not going down. > > Input appreciated, Thanks. > > Kooky > > > >> >> It took me a long time to find someone who could read a thyroid test >> correctly. >> I finally found a general md who agreed to refer me to an >> endocrinologist who listed to my list of symptoms and told me I did not >> have a thyroid problem. (I had gotten list from a thyroid organization) >> >> He was so sure that I was not hypothyroid, but listened when I told him >> my grandmother died of thyroid cancer. I had read that untreated thyroid >> problems could lead to cancer. >> >> He humored me and did some testing and was surprised when I WAS >> hypothyroid. >> >> Also, at your age are you taking vitamin supplements? I feel the best >> ones are from health food stores and not the simple GNC stores. >> >> good luck >> joyce >> > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 WHOOOAH! Give me an overview of all your symptoms. LOL. You should really go see someone. Chinese Medicine could to quite a bit for you. Re:why am I so tired? > > Hi > > I take no medication. The reason I have the heart failure, toxic > hepatitis, and failing kidneys and a myriad of other health probs is > preciSELY because of prescribed fluoroquinolones antibiotics, lariam and > vaccines. > > Most people are not aware that local anesthetics can cause cardiac > electrical conduction, causing arrythmias. Doctors then label the patient > with panick attacks diagnosis, and then prescribe anti depressants, which > makes it worse, and increase anxiety, depression, suicide ideation and > depression, once tolerance level is achieved. > > There are many off the counter drugs which can cause arrythmias and influx > of catecholamines. This includes asthma spray, sinus sprays, etc... > > Often, on inserts of meds, side effects are listed as rare, they are not. > Sometimes, side effects are delayed and no association with the med is > made. > > I am taking care of myself, and so far, avoided worsening, and in some > case, failing kidneys are now almost back to normal, liver enzymes have > gone done, and heart failure is controlled. > > I am sorry about your daughter. All I can say, is that I was offered beta > blockers, angiostensin, anti arrythymics and statins. All lethal. I read > and researched about those drugs. They don't help but instead cause more > disease process, and more damage to the mitonchondria. > > When I compare myself with those attending the Heart Failure clinic, > sadly, they are taking so many drugs, and all declining, as well as > developing other diseases associated with these drugs, such as asthma, > diabetes and more. > > Likewise, pain killers are dangerous, addictive and will loose its effect > after a while. > > For pain, and yes, I have horrific neuropathic pains, I take vits and > meditate. I am terrified of taking any meds, and also what I read from > pharmacology journals. > > No many people know that local anesthetics can also cause depression, > anxiety, suicidal thoughts etc... This information can be found on The > British Association of Anesthestists in the UK. > > I would be willing to look at the compounds in thyrolar, and may consider > taking it. > > Could you let me know a little about the thyrolar, > > Many thanks > > K > > > > >> > >> > It took me a long time to find someone who could read a thyroid test >> > correctly. >> > I finally found a general md who agreed to refer me to an >> > endocrinologist who listed to my list of symptoms and told me I did not >> > have a thyroid problem. (I had gotten list from a thyroid organization) >> > >> > He was so sure that I was not hypothyroid, but listened when I told him >> > my grandmother died of thyroid cancer. I had read that untreated >> > thyroid >> > problems could lead to cancer. >> > >> > He humored me and did some testing and was surprised when I WAS >> > hypothyroid. >> > >> > Also, at your age are you taking vitamin supplements? I feel the best >> > ones are from health food stores and not the simple GNC stores. >> > >> > good luck >> > joyce >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 in response to your " any suggestions? " , why don't you invoke protocols to get rid of your parasites? most of those things of which you complain are parasite generated. after all this IS a group/list? From: kookyfurst <kookyfurst@...> Subject: Re:why am I so tired? Dr Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 3:10 PM Hi Merc Thanks but no thanks, lol. TCM is very good, but they also have a lot of toxic herbs. If the CYPs in the liver and Detox Pathway I and Detox Pathway II are not working, no matter how little dosage, and this includes any meds, toxic level can be reached causing more adverse reactions. I am very interested in some of the compounds such as alkaloids, pokyphenols etc... from some fruits. They are not as toxic, and I can tolerat these. At present, I am taking some Ayurvedic meds. Triphala for instance are compounds from three fruits. I checked compounds from those fruits in US & Europena science and medical journals. They were validated, as therapeutic, and quite powerful actually. Having said that, some TCM rems are not particularlty toxic. It is difficuly to find out about those in European and US medical and scientific journals. I would be quite willing to try some of the less toxic compounds, providing I could find a good TCM practitioner. There are quite a few in my area. Unfortunately, none of them speak English, which then gets lost in translation, <grin> There are many health issues such as mitochondri and inter and intra cellular dysfunction. Severe allergies, and adverse reaction to several foods etc... For instance, I can't eat broccoli, some of the compounds is toxic to me, and makes me violently ill. Same applies to garlic and herbs, (volatile oils, sulpher, allinase) etc... I would like to keep an open mind whilst keeping in mind my own limitations, and must avoid worsening at all costs. There are so many therapies from Dr I would to apply to my protocol. I am hoping that at some time, I will be able to start on those. Have you any suggestions? Thanks Kooky > >> > > >> > It took me a long time to find someone who could read a thyroid test > >> > correctly. > >> > I finally found a general md who agreed to refer me to an > >> > endocrinologist who listed to my list of symptoms and told me I did not > >> > have a thyroid problem. (I had gotten list from a thyroid organization) > >> > > >> > He was so sure that I was not hypothyroid, but listened when I told him > >> > my grandmother died of thyroid cancer. I had read that untreated > >> > thyroid > >> > problems could lead to cancer. > >> > > >> > He humored me and did some testing and was surprised when I WAS > >> > hypothyroid. > >> > > >> > Also, at your age are you taking vitamin supplements? I feel the best > >> > ones are from health food stores and not the simple GNC stores. > >> > > >> > good luck > >> > joyce > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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