Poor Man's rebounder - Sharon

[Guest guest]

I don't have one but I have found (it was recommended

by a DVD I watched on curing Depression naturally)

that if I bounce while standing it is beneficial...you

just bend and straighten your knees...don't

jump...your feet don't leave the floor but your heels

can raise up.

Anyway...poor man's rebounder

Kayte

--- Sharon <shha2002@...> wrote:

> I have been reading about this and would love to try

> but my finances

> are a bit stretched right now. Thanks for the

> suggestion and I will

> eventually try this but just can't do it right now.

>

> Sharon

>

>

> >

> > Would gentle bouncing on a mini trampoline help?

> I know that for

> older

> > people or even wheel chair bound people they have

> that person just

> sit on

> > the jumper and then someone else gently bounces.

> It's the up and down

> > movement that moves lymph and blood (and helps

> them detoxify). So

> maybe you

> > could just stand on the jumper and do the gentle

> bounce--feet not at

> all

> > leaving the material?

> >

> > Samala,

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, you can do this--and if you decide to get a rebounder there's no need to buy the really expensive trampolines. For now, the cheap ones work great--when you feel better and can get into higher bounces, then you will want to look into a better model. But it will take you a while to get to that point, so you can start with the cheap ones that you can buy in wal-mart (or you use to be able to anyway--I found mine at garage sales)

Kayte, what you are describing is also called the Shaman's Bounce. It's what some do to raise energy. ;-)

Samala,

-------Original Message-------

I don't have one but I have found (it was recommended

by a DVD I watched on curing Depression naturally)

that if I bounce while standing it is beneficial...you

just bend and straighten your knees...don't

jump...your feet don't leave the floor but your heels

can raise up.

Anyway...poor man's rebounder

[Guest guest]

If you are going to get serious about rebounding, it is not a good

idea to ever get a cheap one. They can really injure you

kness/joints.

If one can't afford a quality rebounder, a simple excersice ball sat

on with feet on the floor, gently bouncing will get the lymph moving

while not hurting joints.

Younger, healthy peopld might be able to get away with a cheap

rebouder, but I woudln't suggest it for somebody older and really not

even for somebody younger. Why even chance it?

Gail

>

> Yes, you can do this--and if you decide to get a rebounder there's

no need

> to buy the really expensive trampolines. For now, the cheap ones

work

> great--when you feel better and can get into higher bounces, then

you will

> want to look into a better model. But it will take you a while to

get to

> that point, so you can start with the cheap ones that you can buy in

> wal-mart (or you use to be able to anyway--I found mine at garage

sales)

>

> Kayte, what you are describing is also called the Shaman's Bounce.

It's

> what some do to raise energy. ;-)

>

> Samala,

>

>

> -------Original Message-------

>

> I don't have one but I have found (it was recommended

> by a DVD I watched on curing Depression naturally)

> that if I bounce while standing it is beneficial...you

> just bend and straighten your knees...don't

> jump...your feet don't leave the floor but your heels

> can raise up.

>

> Anyway...poor man's rebounder

>

[Guest guest]

I agree with you both, But mostly . If you have ever been as

sick and therefore as broke as I have, A cheap one is hard enough to

afford. I have a cheap one, Know a few that do. Never ever heard of a

knee or joint complaint. Injuring your joints would seem to have more

to do with your movement and actions rather than using a " cheap " one.

You do not " jump " on these, You gently move up and down. Would be very

hard for me to imagine any one injuring themselves on mine, Unless

they had tee many martunies.......(hiccup)

Bob.

> >

> > Yes, you can do this--and if you decide to get a rebounder there's

> no need

> > to buy the really expensive trampolines. For now, the cheap ones

> work

> > great--when you feel better and can get into higher bounces, then

> you will

> > want to look into a better model. But it will take you a while to

> get to

> > that point, so you can start with the cheap ones that you can buy in

> > wal-mart (or you use to be able to anyway--I found mine at garage

> sales)

> >

> > Kayte, what you are describing is also called the Shaman's Bounce.

> It's

> > what some do to raise energy. ;-)

> >

> > Samala,

> >

> >

> > -------Original Message-------

> >

> > I don't have one but I have found (it was recommended

> > by a DVD I watched on curing Depression naturally)

> > that if I bounce while standing it is beneficial...you

> > just bend and straighten your knees...don't

> > jump...your feet don't leave the floor but your heels

> > can raise up.

> >

> > Anyway...poor man's rebounder

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I wonder if anybody knows about Dr. Shoemaker's findings on the

body's inability to excrete toxins and this method. According to Dr.

Shoemaker the toxins just move around and don't get excreted. I am

this genotype and was wondering if anyone could tell me their

thoughts on this. To me this would only move the toxins around in

the body. I still think this would be okay for me as I am on toxin

binding supplements but for someone else it could make the situation

worse. Anyone?

Sharon

" I agree with you both, But mostly . If you have ever been as

sick and therefore as broke as I have, A cheap one is hard enough to

afford. I have a cheap one, Know a few that do. Never ever heard of a

knee or joint complaint. Injuring your joints would seem to have more

to do with your movement and actions rather than using a " cheap " one.

You do not " jump " on these, You gently move up and down. Would be very

hard for me to imagine any one injuring themselves on mine, Unless

they had tee many martunies.......(hiccup)

Bob. "

> > >

> > > Yes, you can do this--and if you decide to get a rebounder

there's

> > no need

> > > to buy the really expensive trampolines. For now, the cheap

ones

> > work

> > > great--when you feel better and can get into higher bounces,

then

> > you will

> > > want to look into a better model. But it will take you a while

to

> > get to

> > > that point, so you can start with the cheap ones that you can

buy in

> > > wal-mart (or you use to be able to anyway--I found mine at

garage

> > sales)

> > >

> > > Kayte, what you are describing is also called the Shaman's

Bounce.

> > It's

> > > what some do to raise energy. ;-)

> > >

> > > Samala,

> > >

> > >

> > > -------Original Message-------

> > >

> > > I don't have one but I have found (it was recommended

> > > by a DVD I watched on curing Depression naturally)

> > > that if I bounce while standing it is beneficial...you

> > > just bend and straighten your knees...don't

> > > jump...your feet don't leave the floor but your heels

> > > can raise up.

> > >

> > > Anyway...poor man's rebounder

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Absolutely Bob. The expensive ones are good for the people that are healthy and really jumping on them. But at 3 to 400 dollars for a good one, many people have spent all their money on supplements and don't have that extra money laying around. For what an ill person needs the cheap ones are great because you just need gentle bouncing--not even lifting your heels off the ground. This will in no way damage any joints. Yes, it is possible to bounce gently with your feet on the floor--the Shaman's Bounce, as I stated earlier--but with the "cheap" trampoline you can even sit on it and gently bounce yourself, getting great health benefits.

Once a person is healthy, and feels the need to do a real workout on the jumper, doing high jumps, leg kicks, etc, then I'd certainly suggest they invest in a good model. But until then, and especially for a person who is 1) very ill and/or 2) short on money, a cheap bouncer is a wonderful health investment.

And a person can also look on Craig's list, or at some garage sales (if they are healthy enough to get out into the garage sale thing) and perhaps get a great deal on a "good" jumper.

As I said--my friend who is very, very ill, could not even bounce on her jumper for one minute before it made her violently ill, but she stuck with it and is now feeling much better--increasing her bouncing by just seconds every day. This was gentle bouncing, not jumping. So again--an expensive jumper is NOT necessary for an ill person to reap the benefits of bouncing.

Samala,

-------Original Message-------

I agree with you both, But mostly . If you have ever been as

sick and therefore as broke as I have, A cheap one is hard enough to

afford. I have a cheap one, Know a few that do. Never ever heard of a

knee or joint complaint. Injuring your joints would seem to have more

to do with your movement and actions rather than using a "cheap" one.

You do not "jump" on these, You gently move up and down.

[Guest guest]

Sharon, do you have a website where I can read about Dr. Shoemaker's theories? I would like to understand how the blood can move toxins around, but not bind them up and excrete them. All toxins? Certain toxins? Hard to believe that the body, given all the proper nutrients, forgets how to take care of itself.

And unless a person goes in and has someone check specifically for these markers, how would they know they can't detox? How does a person distinguish feeling sick from NOT detoxing and feeling sick from detoxing?

Samala,

-------Original Message-------

I wonder if anybody knows about Dr. Shoemaker's findings on the

body's inability to excrete toxins and this method. According to Dr.

Shoemaker the toxins just move around and don't get excreted. I am

this genotype and was wondering if anyone could tell me their

thoughts on this. To me this would only move the toxins around in

the body. I still think this would be okay for me as I am on toxin

binding supplements but for someone else it could make the situation

worse. Anyone?

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I can give you my perspective and experience as I have a hard time detoxing. When the toxins aren't moving my skin gets dark, like I have a tan. Sometimes I break out more (my daughter definitely does). I can get cold, brain fog, and tired. The reason I know this is from toxins is because after I sauna and use my homeopathic remedies I feel better. My skin goes back to pale and I am not cold and just feel bettter.

When my husband has toxins building up (he has babesia) he gets red and splotchy looking and tired. He does coffee enemas to detox and you can see a big difference in him before and after.

You just have to learn how to read your body.

Hope that helps a bit.

-- Re: [ ] Re: Poor Man's rebounder - Sharon

Sharon, do you have a website where I can read about Dr. Shoemaker's theories? I would like to understand how the blood can move toxins around, but not bind them up and excrete them. All toxins? Certain toxins? Hard to believe that the body, given all the proper nutrients, forgets how to take care of itself.

And unless a person goes in and has someone check specifically for these markers, how would they know they can't detox? How does a person distinguish feeling sick from NOT detoxing and feeling sick from detoxing?

Samala,

-------Original Message-------

I wonder if anybody knows about Dr. Shoemaker's findings on the

body's inability to excrete toxins and this method. According to Dr.

Shoemaker the toxins just move around and don't get excreted. I am

this genotype and was wondering if anyone could tell me their

thoughts on this. To me this would only move the toxins around in

the body. I still think this would be okay for me as I am on toxin

binding supplements but for someone else it could make the situation

worse. Anyone?

[Guest guest]

Hi Sharon.

Dr Shoemaker's " findings " do not apply to me, nor to my wife of seventeen

years. Then my wife had toxins in her body. Today there are very few. Where

once her skin and underlying tissues were firm, now they are soft. Note that

the changes do not occur overnight, but they certain happen in just a few

years. My changes took less than four years.

Did Dr Shoemaker emphasize that good continual hydration of the body is

vital?

Phil

Sharon wrote that ...

" I wonder if anybody knows about Dr. Shoemaker's findings on the

body's inability to excrete toxins and this method. According to Dr.

Shoemaker the toxins just move around and don't get excreted.

[Guest guest]

Sorry Phil I may have forgotten to mention the genetic inability to

filter toxins. In my case it was a medical procedure that gave me a

fungus infection and then I was exposed to mold at a place of work.

If I did not have the genetic marker I would be able to get the

toxins out. Only 24% of the population has this genetic inabiltiy to

filter toxins. All other things are important like hydration but

this genetic marker changes the situation for this percentage of the

population. I'm grateful for his work because no matter what these

people do they will not get better unless they get toxin binding

drugs or supplements. If you are interested in this topic his books

are very good. I recommend Mold Warriors and Desperation Medicine to

understand the biotoxin pathway. His website is www.biotoxin.info or

www.chronicneurotoxins.com He has made great strides since writing

those books and has a database of 6500 people who have these

markers. He has treated many people impacted by mold and other toxic

chemicals after Hurricane Katrina. He is called as an expert witness

in court cases for mold and was consulted by state authorities and

the CDC during the pfiesteria outbreak in the nineties. Florida has

also used his expertise during the bluegreen algae outbreak and

another case involving pesticides which I don't recall but I know it

was significant.

After years of being sick and not understanding why I couldn't get

help I was grateful for Shoemaker's work. Although I went to another

biotoxin savvy doctor I still respect his work.

My question is if you have the genetic marker and have been exposed

to the toxin for this genetic marker will the rebounder help even if

you do not get toxin binding drugs or supplements and you are not

treated for the infections?

Regards,

Sharon

Sharon

>

> Hi Sharon.

>

> Dr Shoemaker's " findings " do not apply to me, nor to my wife of

seventeen

> years. Then my wife had toxins in her body. Today there are very

few. Where

> once her skin and underlying tissues were firm, now they are soft.

Note that

> the changes do not occur overnight, but they certain happen in just

a few

> years. My changes took less than four years.

>

> Did Dr Shoemaker emphasize that good continual hydration of the

body is

> vital?

>

> Phil

>

> Sharon wrote that ...

> " I wonder if anybody knows about Dr. Shoemaker's findings on the

> body's inability to excrete toxins and this method. According to Dr.

> Shoemaker the toxins just move around and don't get excreted.

>

[Guest guest]

Absolutely. It's www.biotoxin.info and on this website there are

videos on Lyme disease and mold exposure. Another website of his is

www.chronicneurotoxins.com.

There is a five minute Visual Contrast Sensitivity Test (VCS) that

can be taken and it tells you if you have a biotoxin disease. Mine

was positive and was confirmed by low MSH. My doctor a medical

doctor and a naturopath says that it confirms that I have the

marker. The genetic test is quite expensive and I may still have it

done but my doctor says it's not necessary.

Even if you don't have the marker this is information is good to have

in case someone you love comes down with one of the many biotoxin

diseases and cannot get well. I am trying to figure out the feeling

sick vs. detoxing. It's new to me and I am learning. This is my

third month of treatment for the right disease so I'm not out of the

woods yet and can't answer all your questions. Thanks for your

interest.

Sharon

>

> Sharon, do you have a website where I can read about Dr. Shoemaker's

> theories? I would like to understand how the blood can move toxins

around,

> but not bind them up and excrete them. All toxins? Certain

toxins? Hard

> to believe that the body, given all the proper nutrients, forgets

how to

> take care of itself.

>

> And unless a person goes in and has someone check specifically for

these

> markers, how would they know they can't detox? How does a person

> distinguish feeling sick from NOT detoxing and feeling sick from

detoxing?

>

> Samala,

>

>

> -------Original Message-------

> I wonder if anybody knows about Dr. Shoemaker's findings on the

> body's inability to excrete toxins and this method. According to Dr.

> Shoemaker the toxins just move around and don't get excreted. I am

> this genotype and was wondering if anyone could tell me their

> thoughts on this. To me this would only move the toxins around in

> the body. I still think this would be okay for me as I am on toxin

> binding supplements but for someone else it could make the situation

> worse. Anyone?

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Sharon. I'm going to read the links you sent. This is something completely new to me--I've never heard this anywhere, and I think I need to know more about it.

Seems strange the body can't do what it is designed to do if it is given all that it needs. But then, there are many strange things the body is capable of doing.

Samala,

-------Original Message-------

Absolutely. It's www.biotoxin.info and on this website there are

videos on Lyme disease and mold exposure. Another website of his is

www.chronicneurotoxins.com.

[Guest guest]

I wouldn't suppose anyone would know that for sure--unless it was Dr. Shoemaker. Would it be possible for you to write him this question? If not--then the only other method to know for sure would be to try it yourself. I understand NOT wanting to experiment and make things worse though. What a quandary!

Samala,

-------Original Message-------

My question is if you have the genetic marker and have been exposed

to the toxin for this genetic marker will the rebounder help even if

you do not get toxin binding drugs or supplements and you are not

treated for the infections?