Re: Discovering things

[Guest guest]

I am not sure if my experience is quite the same but twice now I have had to skip a day too. Both times I felt that missing a dose did good things, for example two days ago I missed the dose in the evening and the next day I herxed like mad on 1 dose of salt/c. I was amazed! Maybe pulsing is the right way to go with this for long term use such as fighting lyme.Sueballady4 <ballady4@...> wrote: Twice now I have let a day go by without taking MMS - once because I was away from the house all day and

yesterday because I was still getting over a stomach flu. Both times I found that skipping a day and then going back on led to a feeling of greater energy and well-being (like I had in the beginning)then I was getting from doing it every day and ramping up. I guess this could be called pulsing and I wonder if anyone else has experienced this. Ballady ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Please join Lyme Aware on facebook athttp://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=4960726826

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[Guest guest]

I have skipped a day or two in order to recover from a big kill.

I think that is a good idea.

What I found in the first 6 weeks of MMS is that I was treating at the EXclusion of replenishing.

I now believe this is a really bad idea.

MMS kills.

It doesn't feed, nourish, or heal.

It kills and makes waste products that must be eliminated.

All of this is stressful to a body, esp. if that body is already stressed with a serious disease.

This is why it is suggested that one keep the dose below the level of herxing.

And who knows what that dose is without herxing on occasion.

This is why I've decided to kill at night and rebuild during the day.

If I get a big kill, I will probably skip a dose, but I will not skip an entire week again until my viral load reads undetectable.

Skipping one or two days in order to recover felt good, skipping 8 days made me feel awful.

OH, for heppers, my hubby looked up LOG. A log10 of 6.xx means that the viral load is in the range of 1 million to 9,999,999.

Basically a number followed by 6 places to the right.

A log of 7 would be in the range of 10 million to 99,999,999

A log of 5 would be in the 100 Thousand range up to but not including a million

A log of 4 would be in the 10 thousand range up to but not including 100 Thousand.

Log3 would be thousands and Log2 hundreds.

So this is how they quantify viral load. A log10 reading of 6.265 would be 1.84 million. Why it's not exactly 2.65 million is beyond me. A log10 reading of 6.7 is 5 million. Why it's not 7 million is beyond me. Anyone jump in and explain that?

Kathy

[Guest guest]

Hi Kathy,

I've since learned (from another forum) that Dr. Hesselink advocates

this pulsing method. It seems, from reading posts, that sometimes this

works better for some people, Lymies in particular. I think it will

definitely be my protocol from now on. I felt that I was actually

moving backward with the JH approach. & #9824;

Ballady

>

> I have skipped a day or two in order to recover

> from a big kill.

> I think that is a good idea.

>

> What I found in the first 6 weeks of MMS is that

> I was treating at the EXclusion of replenishing.

> I now believe this is a really bad idea.

>

> MMS kills.

> It doesn't feed, nourish, or heal.

> It kills and makes waste products that must be

> eliminated.

> All of this is stressful to a body, esp. if that

> body is already stressed with a serious disease.

> This is why it is suggested that one keep the

> dose below the level of herxing.

> And who knows what that dose is without herxing

> on occasion.

>

> This is why I've decided to kill at night and

> rebuild during the day.

> If I get a big kill, I will probably skip a

> dose, but I will not skip an entire week again

> until my viral load reads undetectable.

> Skipping one or two days in order to recover

> felt good, skipping 8 days made me feel awful.

>

> OH, for heppers, my hubby looked up LOG. A log10

> of 6.xx means that the viral load is in the

> range of 1 million to 9,999,999.

> Basically a number followed by 6 places to the

> right.

> A log of 7 would be in the range of 10 million

> to 99,999,999

> A log of 5 would be in the 100 Thousand range up

> to but not including a million

> A log of 4 would be in the 10 thousand range up

> to but not including 100 Thousand.

> Log3 would be thousands and Log2 hundreds.

>

> So this is how they quantify viral load. A log10

> reading of 6.265 would be 1.84 million. Why it's

> not exactly 2.65 million is beyond me. A log10

> reading of 6.7 is 5 million. Why it's not 7

> million is beyond me. Anyone jump in and explain

> that?

>

> Kathy

>

[Guest guest]

I would say that it is because MMS does detox people.

>

> Twice now I have let a day go by without taking MMS - once because I

> was away from the house all day and yesterday because I was still

> getting over a stomach flu. Both times I found that skipping a day and

> then going back on led to a feeling of greater energy and well-being

> (like I had in the beginning)then I was getting from doing it every

> day and ramping up. I guess this could be called pulsing and I wonder

> if anyone else has experienced this.

>

> Ballady

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Kathy,

I agree with you on needing to replenish with any kind of " killing "

protocol. Many on the salt/c protocol find the need to supplement and

detox while killing Lyme.

My only concern with waking up at night to dose with MMS, is

developing insomnia with all the waking up. Since good sleep is so

important, I wonder how that would affect me and you after a while.

Avril

In , " Kathy Wenger "

<katmakiah@...> wrote:

>

> I have skipped a day or two in order to recover

> from a big kill.

> I think that is a good idea.

>

> What I found in the first 6 weeks of MMS is that

> I was treating at the EXclusion of replenishing.

> I now believe this is a really bad idea.

>

> MMS kills.

> It doesn't feed, nourish, or heal.

> It kills and makes waste products that must be

> eliminated.

> All of this is stressful to a body, esp. if that

> body is already stressed with a serious disease.

> This is why it is suggested that one keep the

> dose below the level of herxing.

> And who knows what that dose is without herxing

> on occasion.

>

> This is why I've decided to kill at night and

> rebuild during the day.

[Guest guest]

It is the logarithmic or exponential scale.

Cheers, Doug

RE: [ ] Discovering things

I have skipped a day or two in order to recover

from a big kill.

I think that is a good idea.

What I found in the first 6 weeks of MMS is that

I was treating at the EXclusion of replenishing.

I now believe this is a really bad idea.

MMS kills.

It doesn't feed, nourish, or heal.

It kills and makes waste products that must be

eliminated.

All of this is stressful to a body, esp. if that

body is already stressed with a serious disease.

This is why it is suggested that one keep the

dose below the level of herxing.

And who knows what that dose is without herxing

on occasion.

This is why I've decided to kill at night and

rebuild during the day.

If I get a big kill, I will probably skip a

dose, but I will not skip an entire week again

until my viral load reads undetectable.

Skipping one or two days in order to recover

felt good, skipping 8 days made me feel awful.

OH, for heppers, my hubby looked up LOG. A log10

of 6.xx means that the viral load is in the

range of 1 million to 9,999,999.

Basically a number followed by 6 places to the

right.

A log of 7 would be in the range of 10 million

to 99,999,999

A log of 5 would be in the 100 Thousand range up

to but not including a million

A log of 4 would be in the 10 thousand range up

to but not including 100 Thousand.

Log3 would be thousands and Log2 hundreds.

So this is how they quantify viral load. A log10

reading of 6.265 would be 1.84 million. Why it's

not exactly 2.65 million is beyond me. A log10

reading of 6.7 is 5 million. Why it's not 7

million is beyond me. Anyone jump in and explain

that?

Kathy

[Guest guest]

That's the beauty of this:

Each person gets to decide what works best for

them, and then they get to change their mind

anytime as well.

I know I was moving backwards in many ways in my

first 6 weeks.

Isn't it great to be able to know yourself?

Wishing you the best of health!

Kathy

-----Original Message-----

On Behalf Of ballady4

Hi Kathy,

I've since learned (from another forum) that Dr.

Hesselink advocates

this pulsing method. It seems, from reading

posts, that sometimes this

works better for some people, Lymies in

particular. I think it will

definitely be my protocol from now on. I felt

that I was actually

moving backward with the JH approach. & #9824;

Ballady

..

[Guest guest]

Oh, well, I just drink a whole lot of water

right before I go to sleep and I have to wake in

a few hours. I guess I've never had a problem

sleeping. I go right back to sleep, no problem.

I have noticed lately, however, that I generally

wake up really tired. Even if I get 11 hours of

sleep.

Maybe I'm sleeping too much. I feel fine once I

really wake up, which takes about an hour.

Maybe it's just the winter time blahs. I do try

to get some sun every day if it's shining. I go

out and sit in the hot tub for 30 minutes

sometime between noon and 1 pm. I've also

noticed a slight dry throat lately, so I'm

trying to make sure I get enough water. I also

try to get on my elliptical trainer and do 40

minutes a day.

It is interesting that before I took the 8 days

off during my trip, I was only needing 7-8 hours

sleep on the MMS, which was quite unusual for

me. Since I got sick with HCV, I've needed 10-11

hours every night and had no energy. The MMS

kill was boosting it. Skipping 8 days threw me

back into my old patterns, which I'm hoping will

end soon. I'm at 14 drops twice a day right now.

However, I have taken one dose upon retiring and

one upon awakening, and that works fine. Then I

wait 3 hours before I eat anything.

I'm looking ahead to taking 3 doses, as I may

need to be more aggressive with HCV. Plus there

is also a Herpes virus running around in there,

I've had blisters on my lips since I was 15, so

I need to kill that too. Since starting MMS and

overdosing, everytime I overdose I get blisters,

so I know it's stressful to overdose.

Kathy

-----Original Message-----

On Behalf Of Avril

Hi Kathy,

I agree with you on needing to replenish with

any kind of " killing "

protocol. Many on the salt/c protocol find the

need to supplement and

detox while killing Lyme.

My only concern with waking up at night to dose

with MMS, is

developing insomnia with all the waking up.

Since good sleep is so

important, I wonder how that would affect me and

you after a while.

Avril

[Guest guest]

Kathy,

Perhaps sleep disturbance isn't such a problem with HCV...it sure is

with Lyme disease! I do everything I can to make sure I sleep as

undisturbed as possible. If I continually get to bed too late or

don't keep my room dark or quiet enough, I can start an awful

insomnia cycle.

Hope you get back to not needing so much sleep and feeling more like

you actually have slept!

You may already know, but L-Lysine stops herpes virus from

replicating. It helps me when I have canker sores.

Blessings,

Avril

In , " Kathy Wenger "

<katmakiah@...> wrote:

>

> Oh, well, I just drink a whole lot of water

> right before I go to sleep and I have to wake in

> a few hours. I guess I've never had a problem

> sleeping. I go right back to sleep, no problem.

>

> I have noticed lately, however, that I generally

> wake up really tired. Even if I get 11 hours of

> sleep.

> Maybe I'm sleeping too much. I feel fine once I

> really wake up, which takes about an hour.

>

> Maybe it's just the winter time blahs. I do try

> to get some sun every day if it's shining. I go

> out and sit in the hot tub for 30 minutes

> sometime between noon and 1 pm. I've also

> noticed a slight dry throat lately, so I'm

> trying to make sure I get enough water. I also

> try to get on my elliptical trainer and do 40

> minutes a day.

>

> It is interesting that before I took the 8 days

> off during my trip, I was only needing 7-8 hours

> sleep on the MMS, which was quite unusual for

> me. Since I got sick with HCV, I've needed 10-11

> hours every night and had no energy. The MMS

> kill was boosting it. Skipping 8 days threw me

> back into my old patterns, which I'm hoping will

> end soon. I'm at 14 drops twice a day right now.

>

> However, I have taken one dose upon retiring and

> one upon awakening, and that works fine. Then I

> wait 3 hours before I eat anything.

>

> I'm looking ahead to taking 3 doses, as I may

> need to be more aggressive with HCV. Plus there

> is also a Herpes virus running around in there,

> I've had blisters on my lips since I was 15, so

> I need to kill that too. Since starting MMS and

> overdosing, everytime I overdose I get blisters,

> so I know it's stressful to overdose.

>

> Kathy

>

[Guest guest]

Ok, I'm laughing out loud now. At myself!

You see, I took 16 drops MMS at 10 pm last night, stayed up until 1 and took 15 more drops and went to bed.

I woke up at 5 am, and thought, hmmm, I've been wanting to ramp up to three doses, do I dare?

I looked at the clock, calculated that it had been 4 hours since my last dose, and thought, sure, why not?

I got a little nervous, since I haven't done three doses since I got back home from my trip, so I decided to take just 10 drops.

My mind was remembering the awful herxing I got when I took 25 drops twice, and 15 drops alone when I returned from my trip.

I took the 10 drops and laid back down, and I could not go to sleep for almost an hour!! I was too nervous about getting a reaction!

I kept watching the clock and waiting for the tummy ache, with the antidote on the night stand.

Plus I kept thinking about our conversation, and how I was saying I don't have a problem sleeping!! Ha ha ha. Well, most of the time I don't!

By the way, I got up at 10 feeling better than I have in a couple of weeks. And no herxing so far.

In fact, things are really feeling great!

Tonight I will do 15 drops 3 times. Once at 9-10, once at 12-1, and once early in the wee hours of the morning, when I wake up to go to the bathroom.

I was listening to that Dr at the Hitt Center in Mexico, saying that he thinks lime juice is the best activator. Me too. Oh, he also says that people with troubled livers wake up between 1 and 3 and can't get back to sleep. Most Americans have troubled livers from poor dietary choices.

http://www.webtalkradio.net/content/category/4/14/33

Dr Humiston, second podcast down.

Thanks for the heads up on lysine. I take a Quantum product with lysine and herbs.

Arginine brings them on, which is in chocolate, nuts, grains. I have the double list in the kitchen.

Kathy

-----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of AvrilSent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 9:39 AM Subject: [ ] Re: Discovering things

Kathy,Perhaps sleep disturbance isn't such a problem with HCV...it sure is with Lyme disease! I do everything I can to make sure I sleep as undisturbed as possible. If I continually get to bed too late or don't keep my room dark or quiet enough, I can start an awful insomnia cycle.Hope you get back to not needing so much sleep and feeling more like you actually have slept!You may already know, but L-Lysine stops herpes virus from replicating. It helps me when I have canker sores.Blessings,AvrilIn , "Kathy Wenger" <katmakiah@...> wrote:>> Oh, well, I just drink a whole lot of water> right before I go to sleep and I have to wake in> a few hours. I guess I've never had a problem> sleeping. I go right back to sleep, no problem.> > I have noticed lately, however, that I generally> wake up really tired. Even if I get 11 hours of> sleep.> Maybe I'm sleeping too much. I feel fine once I> really wake up, which takes about an hour.> > Maybe it's just the winter time blahs. I do try> to get some sun every day if it's shining. I go> out and sit in the hot tub for 30 minutes> sometime between noon and 1 pm. I've also> noticed a slight dry throat lately, so I'm> trying to make sure I get enough water. I also> try to get on my elliptical trainer and do 40> minutes a day.> > It is interesting that before I took the 8 days> off during my trip, I was only needing 7-8 hours> sleep on the MMS, which was quite unusual for> me. Since I got sick with HCV, I've needed 10-11> hours every night and had no energy. The MMS> kill was boosting it. Skipping 8 days threw me> back into my old patterns, which I'm hoping will> end soon. I'm at 14 drops twice a day right now.> > However, I have taken one dose upon retiring and> one upon awakening, and that works fine. Then I> wait 3 hours before I eat anything. > > I'm looking ahead to taking 3 doses, as I may> need to be more aggressive with HCV. Plus there> is also a Herpes virus running around in there,> I've had blisters on my lips since I was 15, so> I need to kill that too. Since starting MMS and> overdosing, everytime I overdose I get blisters,> so I know it's stressful to overdose.> > Kathy> __________ NOD32 2759 (20080101) Information __________This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.eset.com

[Guest guest]

Hey Kathy,

Your story had me laughing, too! That's what I'm afraid would happen

to me...only every night. I'm glad that the end result was so

positive. Here's to happier night time dosing!

Yup, that's what I've heard, too. The liver meridian acts up between

1 and 3 am. Sometimes if I wake up and can't go back to sleep, I'll

do some liver sedation points from Donna Eden's book, Energy

Medicine.

Lysine does seem to be a good antidote to excess arginine.

Blessings,

Avril

In , " Kathy Wenger "

<katmakiah@...> wrote:

>

> Ok, I'm laughing out loud now. At myself!

>

> You see, I took 16 drops MMS at 10 pm last

> night, stayed up until 1 and took 15 more drops

> and went to bed.

> I woke up at 5 am, and thought, hmmm, I've been

> wanting to ramp up to three doses, do I dare?

> I looked at the clock, calculated that it had

> been 4 hours since my last dose, and thought,

> sure, why not?

>

> I got a little nervous, since I haven't done

> three doses since I got back home from my trip,

> so I decided to take just 10 drops.

> My mind was remembering the awful herxing I got

> when I took 25 drops twice, and 15 drops alone

> when I returned from my trip.

> I took the 10 drops and laid back down, and I

> could not go to sleep for almost an hour!! I was

> too nervous about getting a reaction!

> I kept watching the clock and waiting for the

> tummy ache, with the antidote on the night

> stand.

>

> Plus I kept thinking about our conversation, and

> how I was saying I don't have a problem

> sleeping!! Ha ha ha. Well, most of the time I

> don't!

>

> By the way, I got up at 10 feeling better than I

> have in a couple of weeks. And no herxing so

> far.

> In fact, things are really feeling great!

>

> Tonight I will do 15 drops 3 times. Once at

> 9-10, once at 12-1, and once early in the wee

> hours of the morning, when I wake up to go to

> the bathroom.

>

> I was listening to that Dr at the Hitt

> Center in Mexico, saying that he thinks lime

> juice is the best activator. Me too. Oh, he also

> says that people with troubled livers wake up

> between 1 and 3 and can't get back to sleep.

> Most Americans have troubled livers from poor

> dietary choices.

> http://www.webtalkradio.net/content/category/4/1

> 4/33

> Dr Humiston, second podcast down.

>

> Thanks for the heads up on lysine. I take a

> Quantum product with lysine and herbs.

> Arginine brings them on, which is in chocolate,

> nuts, grains. I have the double list in the

> kitchen.

>

> Kathy