Guest guest Posted September 29, 2002 Report Share Posted September 29, 2002 I don't know. The healthiest people I know are not concerned with t-cell counts or any other ritual markers, but those who have been counted are much lower than " normal. " Of course if they started smoking, gorging themselves on junk (not food), drinking coffee and alcohol on a daily basis, and so many of the other things " normal " people do, I'm sure their numbers would rise to " normal " levels. Lieb THe world's #1 long-term non-progressor. HIV+ since 1954 -- healthy and fit with NO medical intervention. www.sobehealthy.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2002 Report Share Posted September 29, 2002 The meds she wants to put me on are...Trizivir, Combivir, and Viramune curedaids@... wrote:I don't know. The healthiest people I know are not concerned with t-cell counts or any other ritual markers, but those who have been counted are much lower than " normal. " Of course if they started smoking, gorging themselves on junk (not food), drinking coffee and alcohol on a daily basis, and so many of the other things " normal " people do, I'm sure their numbers would rise to " normal " levels. Lieb THe world's #1 long-term non-progressor. HIV+ since 1954 -- healthy and fit with NO medical intervention. www.sobehealthy.com Read AIDS-Cured Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2002 Report Share Posted September 29, 2002 " rizivir, Combivir, and Viramune " Yes, and I believe that one of the side effects for all of those drugs is " DEATH! " , I've had a low T-Cell count too. I feel fine. I know other people who have had T-Cell counts that go all over the charts and they're fine. People who test completely negative for HIV can and do have low T-Cell counts all the time. I also know people who have had " HIV " for over ten years and their T-Cell counts are high and unchanging generally... and it doesn't seem to affect their health at all. You know what will happen when you take those drugs? Your body will react to them, pushing your immune system to react and fight the foreign substances in your body, making your T-Cells raise. Yay! Happy number on a piece of paper! But it doesn't mean a damn thing. In the meantime, the AZT (combivir)will be slowly killing your bone marrow which is what produces your immune cells in the first place. Your liver will work overtime to deal with all the poison you've chosen to ingest so you can be happy about a number on a piece of paper. I couldn't find anything on Rizivir, but I think it's a PI, so I included some info about that. Do some research and stop thinking that you need a happy T-Cell count to be healthy. Just take care of yourself, and when you get a sniffle, well take some vitamin C and get some rest just like the rest of the damn world does!!! Taken from this article: http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/data/abazt2.htm << Its PRODUCT INFORMATION release for Combivir (AZT and 3TC) states, “Patients should be advised of the importance of taking COMBIVIR as it is prescribed” i.e. “One COMBIVIR tablet…twice a day.” [23] The truth of the matter is that AZT makes you feel like you’re dying. That’s because on AZT you are. How can a deadly cell-toxin conceivably make you feel better as it finishes you, by stopping your cells from dividing, by ending the vital process that distinguishes living things from dead things? Not for nothing does AZT come with a skull and cross-bones label when packaged for laboratory use. [24] These are some of AZT’s ‘side effects’ listed by its manufacturer: Body as a Whole: abdominal pain, back pain, body odor, chest pain, chills, edema of the lip, fever, flu syndrome, hyperalgesia; Cardiovascular: syncope, vasodilation; Gastrointestinal: bleeding gums, constipation, diarrhea, dysphagia, edema of the tongue, eructation, flatulence, mouth ulcer, rectal hemorrhage; Haemic and Lymphatic: lymphadenopathy; Musculoskeletal: arthralgia, muscle spasm, tremor, twitch; Nervous: anxiety, confusion, depression, dizziness, emotional lability, loss of mental acuity, nervousness, paresthesia, somnolence, vertigo; Respiratory: cough, dyspnea, epistaxis, hoarseness, pharyngitis, rhinitis, sinusitis; Skin: acne, changes in skin and nail pigmentation, pruritus, rash, sweat, urticaria; Special senses: amblyopia, hearing loss, photophobia, taste perversion; Urogenital: dysuria, polyuria, urinary frequency, urinary hesitancy. >> Taken from this article: http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/data/abnvp.htm On Viramune aka Nevirapine... << What’s more, the effects of nevirapine on " surrogate endpoints " were only noticeable among patients " with HIV infection who have experienced clinical and/or immunological deterioration. " Not for people appearing well, and whose lab test results were considered normal, despite having a virus ravaging their immune systems, according to their doctors. That nevirapine is extremely poisonous was admitted on the drug’s label – advising discontinuation " in patients who develop a severe rash or a rash accompanied by fever, blistering, oral lesions, conjunctivitis, swelling, muscle or joint aches, or general malaise. " And make no mistake, when the manufacturer talks of rash, it isn’t referring to a brush with stinging nettles. It means a generalised symptom of drug intoxication so severe in some cases that it shows up with thick layers of your skin dying off and peeling in great chunks. An ad for the drug – featuring the endorsement of " the dosing convenience of VIRAMUNE " by transatlantic sailor Mike Schmidt – " WHEN THINGS GOT ROUGH VIRAMUNE DIDN’T GET IN MY WAY " – explains: " Severe and life-threatening skin reactions have occurred in patients treated with VIRAMUNE, including s- syndrome and toxic epidermal necrolysis. Fatal cases of toxic epidermal necrolysis have been reported. " The ad also warned of " severe…liver toxicity, including fatal cases " , apart from the bother of " fever, nausea, headache, and abnormal liver function tests. " ,,,An official investigation found that two of the dead died of liver failure, one of pancreas failure (both conditions caused by acid lacidosis, a standard side effect of antiretrovirals), and two of neurological damage (likewise). Other trial subjects suffered deafness, impaired speech, anal bleeding, sores that wouldn’t heal, abdominal pains, weight loss, fevers, pneumonia, insomnia, vomiting, and depression. The investigation concluded that nevirapine had probably caused the liver damage that had killed two of the women. >> PROTEASE INHIBITOR (SIDE) EFFECTS Invirase ® (Hoffmann-LaRoche) Body as a whole: allergic reaction, chest pain, edema, fever, intoxication, parasites external, retrosternal pain, shivering, wasting syndrome, weight decrease. Cardiovascular: Cyanosis, heart murmur, heart valve disorder, hypertension, hypotension, syncope, vein distended. Endocrine/Metabolic: Dehydration, dry eye syndrome, hyperglycemia, weight increase, xerophthalmia. Gastrointestinal: Cheilitis, constipation, dysphagia, eructation, feces bloodstained, feces discolorred, gastralgia, gastritis, gastrointestinal inflammation, gingivitis, glossitis, hemorrhage rectum, hemorrhoids, hepatomegaly, melena, pain pelvic, painful defecation, pancreatitis, parotic disorder, salivary glands disorder, stomatitis, tooth disorder, vomiting. Hematlogic: Anemia, microhemorrhages, pancytopenia, splenomegaly, thrombocytopenia. Musculoskeletal: Arthralgia, arthritis, back pain, cramps muscle, musculoskeletal disorders, stiffness, tissue changes, trauma. Neurological: Ataxia, bowel movements frequent, confusion, convulsions, dysarthria, dysesthesia, heart rate disorder, hyperesthesia, hyperreflexia, hyporeflexia, mouth dry, numbness face, pain facial, paresis, poliomyelitis, progressive multifocal leukoencephalopathy, spasms, tremor. Psychological: Agitation, amnesia, anxiety, depression, dream excessive, euphoria, hallucination, insomnia, intellectual ability reduced, irritability, lethargy, libido disorder, overdose effect, psychotic disorder, somnolence, speech disorder. Reproductive System: Prostate enlarged, vaginal discharge. Resistance Mechanism: Abscess, angina tonsillaris, candidiasis, hepatitis, herpes simplex, herpes zoster, infection bacterial, infection mycotic, infection staphylococcal, influenza, lymphadenopathy, tumor. Respiratory: Bronchitis, cough, dyspnea, epistaxis, hemoptysis, laryngitis, pharyngitis, pneumonia, respiratory disorder, rhinitis, sinusitis, upper respiratory tract infection. Skin and Appendages: Acne, dermatitis, dermatitis seborrheic, eczema, erythema, folliculitis, furunculosis, hair changes, hot flushes, photosensitivity reaction, pigment changes skin, rash maculopapular, skin disorder, skin nodule, skin ulceration, sweating increased, urticaria, verruca, xeroderma. Special Senses: Blepharitis, earache, ear pressure, eye irritation, hearing decreased, otitis, taste alteration, tinnitus, visual disturbance. Urinary system: Micturition disorder, urinary tract infection. Crixivan ® (Merck, Sharp & Dohme) Body As A Whole/Site Unspecified: Abdominal distention, chest pain, chills, fever, flank pain, flu-like illness, fungal infeciton, malaise, pain, syncope. Cardiovascular System: Cardiovascular disorder, palpitation. Digestive System: Acid regurgitation, anorexia, aphthous stomatitis, cheilitis, cholecystitis, cholestasis, constipation, dry mouth, dyspepsia, eructation, flatulence, gastritis, gingivitis, glossodynia, gingival hemorrhage, increased appetitie, infectious gastroenteritis, jaundice, liver cirrhosis. Hemic and Lymphatic System: Anemia, lymphadenopathy, spleen disorder. Metabolic/Nutritional/Immune: Food allergy. Musculoskeletal System: Arthralgia, back pain, leg pain, myalgia, muscle cramps, muscle weakness, musculoskeletal pain, shoulder pain, stiffness. Nervous system and Psychiatric: Agitation, anxiety, anxiety disorder, bruxism, decreased mental acuity, depression, dizziness, dream abnormality, dysesthesia, excitement, fasciculation, hypesthesia, nervousness, neuralgia, neurotic disorder, paresthesia, peripheral neuropathy, sleep disorder, somnolence, tremor, vertigo. Respiratory System: Cough, dyspnea, halitosis, pharyngeal hyperemia, pharyngitis, pneumonia, rales/rhonchi, respiratory failure, sinus disorder, sinusitis, upper respiratory infection. Skin and Skin Appendage: Body odor, contact dermatitis, dermatitis, dry skin, flushing, folliculitis, herpes simplex, herpes zoster, night sweats, pruritus, seborrhea, skin disorder, skin infection, sweating, urticaria. Special Senses: Accommodation disorder, blurred vision, eye pain, eye swelling, orbital edema, taste disorder. Urogenital System: Dysuria, hematuria, hydronephrosis, nocturia, premenstrual syndrome, proteinuria, renal colic, urinary frequency, urinary tract infection, urine abnormality, urine sediment abnormality, urolithiasis. And you might take a look at this... http://healtoronto.com/haartch.html Do you still want to take those drugs?? Caer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2002 Report Share Posted September 29, 2002 I totally get what your'e saying..but why has my t-cell count dropped since I have been diagnosed, and why has my viral load increased? Could you point me in a direction for which I could find out this info for myself and compare it with other info? Thanks, sincerely L. Murray. caerfree wrote: " rizivir, Combivir, and Viramune " Yes, and I believe that one of the side effects for all of those drugs is " DEATH! " , I've had a low T-Cell count too. I feel fine. I know other people who have had T-Cell counts that go all over the charts and they're fine. People who test completely negative for HIV can and do have low T-Cell counts all the time. I also know people who have had " HIV " for over ten years and their T-Cell counts are high and unchanging generally... and it doesn't seem to affect their health at all. You know what will happen when you take those drugs? Your body will react to them, pushing your immune system to react and fight the foreign substances in your body, making your T-Cells raise. Yay! Happy number on a piece of paper! But it doesn't mean a damn thing. In the meantime, the AZT (combivir)will be slowly killing your bone marrow which is what produces your immune cells in the first place. Your liver will work overtime to deal with all the poison you've chosen to ingest so you can be happy about a number on a piece of paper. I couldn't find anything on Rizivir, but I think it's a PI, so I included some info about that. Do some research and stop thinking that you need a happy T-Cell count to be healthy. Just take care of yourself, and when you get a sniffle, well take some vitamin C and get some rest just like the rest of the damn world does!!! Taken from this article: http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/data/abazt2.htm << Its PRODUCT INFORMATION release for Combivir (AZT and 3TC) states, “Patients should be advised of the importance of taking COMBIVIR as it is prescribed” i.e. “One COMBIVIR tablet…twice a day.” [23] The truth of the matter is that AZT makes you feel like you’re dying. That’s because on AZT you are. How can a deadly cell-toxin conceivably make you feel better as it finishes you, by stopping your cells from dividing, by ending the vital process that distinguishes living things from dead things? Not for nothing does AZT come with a skull and cross-bones label when packaged for laboratory use. [24] These are some of AZT’s ‘side effects’ listed by its manufacturer: Body as a Whole: abdominal pain, back pain, body odor, chest pain, chills, edema of the lip, fever, flu syndrome, hyperalgesia; Cardiovascular: syncope, vasodilation; Gastrointestinal: bleeding gums, constipation, diarrhea, dysphagia, edema of the tongue, eructation, flatulence, mouth ulcer, rectal hemorrhage; Haemic and Lymphatic: lymphadenopathy; Musculoskeletal: arthralgia, muscle spasm, tremor, twitch; Nervous: anxiety, confusion, depression, dizziness, emotional lability, loss of mental acuity, nervousness, paresthesia, somnolence, vertigo; Respiratory: cough, dyspnea, epistaxis, hoarseness, pharyngitis, rhinitis, sinusitis; Skin: acne, changes in skin and nail pigmentation, pruritus, rash, sweat, urticaria; Special senses: amblyopia, hearing loss, photophobia, taste perversion; Urogenital: dysuria, polyuria, urinary frequency, urinary hesitancy. >> Taken from this article: http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/data/abnvp.htm On Viramune aka Nevirapine... << What’s more, the effects of nevirapine on " surrogate endpoints " were only noticeable among patients " with HIV infection who have experienced clinical and/or immunological deterioration. " Not for people appearing well, and whose lab test results were considered normal, despite having a virus ravaging their immune systems, according to their doctors. That nevirapine is extremely poisonous was admitted on the drug’s label – advising discontinuation " in patients who develop a severe rash or a rash accompanied by fever, blistering, oral lesions, conjunctivitis, swelling, muscle or joint aches, or general malaise. " And make no mistake, when the manufacturer talks of rash, it isn’t referring to a brush with stinging nettles. It means a generalised symptom of drug intoxication so severe in some cases that it shows up with thick layers of your skin dying off and peeling in great chunks. An ad for the drug – featuring the endorsement of " the dosing convenience of VIRAMUNE " by transatlantic sailor Mike Schmidt – " WHEN THINGS GOT ROUGH VIRAMUNE DIDN’T GET IN MY WAY " – explains: " Severe and life-threatening skin reactions have occurred in patients treated with VIRAMUNE, including s- syndrome and toxic epidermal necrolysis. Fatal cases of toxic epidermal necrolysis have been reported. " The ad also warned of " severe…liver toxicity, including fatal cases " , apart from the bother of " fever, nausea, headache, and abnormal liver function tests. " ,,,An official investigation found that two of the dead died of liver failure, one of pancreas failure (both conditions caused by acid lacidosis, a standard side effect of antiretrovirals), and two of neurological damage (likewise). Other trial subjects suffered deafness, impaired speech, anal bleeding, sores that wouldn’t heal, abdominal pains, weight loss, fevers, pneumonia, insomnia, vomiting, and depression. The investigation concluded that nevirapine had probably caused the liver damage that had killed two of the women. >> PROTEASE INHIBITOR (SIDE) EFFECTS Invirase ® (Hoffmann-LaRoche) Body as a whole: allergic reaction, chest pain, edema, fever, intoxication, parasites external, retrosternal pain, shivering, wasting syndrome, weight decrease. Cardiovascular: Cyanosis, heart murmur, heart valve disorder, hypertension, hypotension, syncope, vein distended. Endocrine/Metabolic: Dehydration, dry eye syndrome, hyperglycemia, weight increase, xerophthalmia. Gastrointestinal: Cheilitis, constipation, dysphagia, eructation, feces bloodstained, feces discolorred, gastralgia, gastritis, gastrointestinal inflammation, gingivitis, glossitis, hemorrhage rectum, hemorrhoids, hepatomegaly, melena, pain pelvic, painful defecation, pancreatitis, parotic disorder, salivary glands disorder, stomatitis, tooth disorder, vomiting. Hematlogic: Anemia, microhemorrhages, pancytopenia, splenomegaly, thrombocytopenia. Musculoskeletal: Arthralgia, arthritis, back pain, cramps muscle, musculoskeletal disorders, stiffness, tissue changes, trauma. Neurological: Ataxia, bowel movements frequent, confusion, convulsions, dysarthria, dysesthesia, heart rate disorder, hyperesthesia, hyperreflexia, hyporeflexia, mouth dry, numbness face, pain facial, paresis, poliomyelitis, progressive multifocal leukoencephalopathy, spasms, tremor. Psychological: Agitation, amnesia, anxiety, depression, dream excessive, euphoria, hallucination, insomnia, intellectual ability reduced, irritability, lethargy, libido disorder, overdose effect, psychotic disorder, somnolence, speech disorder. Reproductive System: Prostate enlarged, vaginal discharge. Resistance Mechanism: Abscess, angina tonsillaris, candidiasis, hepatitis, herpes simplex, herpes zoster, infection bacterial, infection mycotic, infection staphylococcal, influenza, lymphadenopathy, tumor. Respiratory: Bronchitis, cough, dyspnea, epistaxis, hemoptysis, laryngitis, pharyngitis, pneumonia, respiratory disorder, rhinitis, sinusitis, upper respiratory tract infection. Skin and Appendages: Acne, dermatitis, dermatitis seborrheic, eczema, erythema, folliculitis, furunculosis, hair changes, hot flushes, photosensitivity reaction, pigment changes skin, rash maculopapular, skin disorder, skin nodule, skin ulceration, sweating increased, urticaria, verruca, xeroderma. Special Senses: Blepharitis, earache, ear pressure, eye irritation, hearing decreased, otitis, taste alteration, tinnitus, visual disturbance. Urinary system: Micturition disorder, urinary tract infection. Crixivan ® (Merck, Sharp & Dohme) Body As A Whole/Site Unspecified: Abdominal distention, chest pain, chills, fever, flank pain, flu-like illness, fungal infeciton, malaise, pain, syncope. Cardiovascular System: Cardiovascular disorder, palpitation. Digestive System: Acid regurgitation, anorexia, aphthous stomatitis, cheilitis, cholecystitis, cholestasis, constipation, dry mouth, dyspepsia, eructation, flatulence, gastritis, gingivitis, glossodynia, gingival hemorrhage, increased appetitie, infectious gastroenteritis, jaundice, liver cirrhosis. Hemic and Lymphatic System: Anemia, lymphadenopathy, spleen disorder. Metabolic/Nutritional/Immune: Food allergy. Musculoskeletal System: Arthralgia, back pain, leg pain, myalgia, muscle cramps, muscle weakness, musculoskeletal pain, shoulder pain, stiffness. Nervous system and Psychiatric: Agitation, anxiety, anxiety disorder, bruxism, decreased mental acuity, depression, dizziness, dream abnormality, dysesthesia, excitement, fasciculation, hypesthesia, nervousness, neuralgia, neurotic disorder, paresthesia, peripheral neuropathy, sleep disorder, somnolence, tremor, vertigo. Respiratory System: Cough, dyspnea, halitosis, pharyngeal hyperemia, pharyngitis, pneumonia, rales/rhonchi, respiratory failure, sinus disorder, sinusitis, upper respiratory infection. Skin and Skin Appendage: Body odor, contact dermatitis, dermatitis, dry skin, flushing, folliculitis, herpes simplex, herpes zoster, night sweats, pruritus, seborrhea, skin disorder, skin infection, sweating, urticaria. Special Senses: Accommodation disorder, blurred vision, eye pain, eye swelling, orbital edema, taste disorder. Urogenital System: Dysuria, hematuria, hydronephrosis, nocturia, premenstrual syndrome, proteinuria, renal colic, urinary frequency, urinary tract infection, urine abnormality, urine sediment abnormality, urolithiasis. And you might take a look at this... http://healtoronto.com/haartch.html Do you still want to take those drugs?? Caer Read AIDS-Cured Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2002 Report Share Posted September 29, 2002 <<I totally get what your'e saying..but why has my t-cell count dropped since I have been diagnosed, and why has my viral load increased? Could you point me in a direction for which I could find out this info for myself and compare it with other info? >> That is a good question... How long has it been since you were diagnosed? How much have they dropped? On the other hand? Why have friends of mine who have been diagnosed 'hiv' positive had T-C counts that have stayed steady for years? Why have there been hundreds of people who have low T-Cell counts... and yet they function like anybody else? How stressed are you about this? Do you have any idea how sick and horrible I felt after a doctor told me I was going to die. I'll bet you anything my T-Cells dropped because of that. I was losing my hair and getting cold after cold. I have never been more unhealthy than after I found out and I am a very healthy person generally. When I got over the fear, I got better again. I haven't been sick since. I understand your concern about these numbers, but at the same time, I'm concerned that you're so concerned when they don't seem to mean anything. They are different for everyone and scaring yourself isn't going to make them any better. The mainstream scientists basically said at the last conference in Barcelona that viral load has absolutely no correlation with health and does not accurately measure HIV anyway and yet doctors want to continue to use it. So what good does it do you to make your viral load go down? Completely healthy hiv negative people can have viral load too and they don't seem to have doctors telling them to pop the pills. What about all those people with bad T-Cell counts that don't test positive for HIV? They're not taking those drugs. In fact, many thousands of people have been prescribed drugs to treat other things, that as a side effect, also suppress the immune system. Why aren't they taking Combivier and ritrivir and Viramune to make their T-Cells go back up? Why aren't thousands and thousands of people with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and low T-Cell counts being prescribed the same drugs to make those T-Cell numbers look the way they should? Have you gone to talk with a holistic doctor? Maybe you should write to the people at " Alive and Well " . They might be able to help you. Have you read any of the dissident books? Have you been eating better? More protein? More veggies? Less processed food, milk and sugar? Are you taking vitamins and getting a lot of antioxidants? I just think that you need to do some serious research before taking such poisonous stuff. I'd rather see you taking care of you, not your doctor's pocketbook. Please tread carefully. Caer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2002 Report Share Posted September 29, 2002 We need to get married, or at least date for a while. (803) 544-1976 Thank You caerfree wrote: <<I totally get what your'e saying..but why has my t-cell count dropped since I have been diagnosed, and why has my viral load increased? Could you point me in a direction for which I could find out this info for myself and compare it with other info? >> That is a good question... How long has it been since you were diagnosed? How much have they dropped? On the other hand? Why have friends of mine who have been diagnosed 'hiv' positive had T-C counts that have stayed steady for years? Why have there been hundreds of people who have low T-Cell counts... and yet they function like anybody else? How stressed are you about this? Do you have any idea how sick and horrible I felt after a doctor told me I was going to die. I'll bet you anything my T-Cells dropped because of that. I was losing my hair and getting cold after cold. I have never been more unhealthy than after I found out and I am a very healthy person generally. When I got over the fear, I got better again. I haven't been sick since. I understand your concern about these numbers, but at the same time, I'm concerned that you're so concerned when they don't seem to mean anything. They are different for everyone and scaring yourself isn't going to make them any better. The mainstream scientists basically said at the last conference in Barcelona that viral load has absolutely no correlation with health and does not accurately measure HIV anyway and yet doctors want to continue to use it. So what good does it do you to make your viral load go down? Completely healthy hiv negative people can have viral load too and they don't seem to have doctors telling them to pop the pills. What about all those people with bad T-Cell counts that don't test positive for HIV? They're not taking those drugs. In fact, many thousands of people have been prescribed drugs to treat other things, that as a side effect, also suppress the immune system. Why aren't they taking Combivier and ritrivir and Viramune to make their T-Cells go back up? Why aren't thousands and thousands of people with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and low T-Cell counts being prescribed the same drugs to make those T-Cell numbers look the way they should? Have you gone to talk with a holistic doctor? Maybe you should write to the people at " Alive and Well " . They might be able to help you. Have you read any of the dissident books? Have you been eating better? More protein? More veggies? Less processed food, milk and sugar? Are you taking vitamins and getting a lot of antioxidants? I just think that you need to do some serious research before taking such poisonous stuff. I'd rather see you taking care of you, not your doctor's pocketbook. Please tread carefully. Caer Read AIDS-Cured Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2002 Report Share Posted September 29, 2002 We need to get married, or at least date for a while. (803) 544-1976 Thank caerfree wrote: <<I totally get what your'e saying..but why has my t-cell count dropped since I have been diagnosed, and why has my viral load increased? Could you point me in a direction for which I could find out this info for myself and compare it with other info? >> That is a good question... How long has it been since you were diagnosed? How much have they dropped? On the other hand? Why have friends of mine who have been diagnosed 'hiv' positive had T-C counts that have stayed steady for years? Why have there been hundreds of people who have low T-Cell counts... and yet they function like anybody else? How stressed are you about this? Do you have any idea how sick and horrible I felt after a doctor told me I was going to die. I'll bet you anything my T-Cells dropped because of that. I was losing my hair and getting cold after cold. I have never been more unhealthy than after I found out and I am a very healthy person generally. When I got over the fear, I got better again. I haven't been sick since. I understand your concern about these numbers, but at the same time, I'm concerned that you're so concerned when they don't seem to mean anything. They are different for everyone and scaring yourself isn't going to make them any better. The mainstream scientists basically said at the last conference in Barcelona that viral load has absolutely no correlation with health and does not accurately measure HIV anyway and yet doctors want to continue to use it. So what good does it do you to make your viral load go down? Completely healthy hiv negative people can have viral load too and they don't seem to have doctors telling them to pop the pills. What about all those people with bad T-Cell counts that don't test positive for HIV? They're not taking those drugs. In fact, many thousands of people have been prescribed drugs to treat other things, that as a side effect, also suppress the immune system. Why aren't they taking Combivier and ritrivir and Viramune to make their T-Cells go back up? Why aren't thousands and thousands of people with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and low T-Cell counts being prescribed the same drugs to make those T-Cell numbers look the way they should? Have you gone to talk with a holistic doctor? Maybe you should write to the people at " Alive and Well " . They might be able to help you. Have you read any of the dissident books? Have you been eating better? More protein? More veggies? Less processed food, milk and sugar? Are you taking vitamins and getting a lot of antioxidants? I just think that you need to do some serious research before taking such poisonous stuff. I'd rather see you taking care of you, not your doctor's pocketbook. Please tread carefully. Caer Read AIDS-Cured Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2002 Report Share Posted September 30, 2002 I was on Trizivir and Combivir. When I was using Combivir it caused me heart to race and pound so I thought it was going to jump out of my chest and I would die. It scared me and this is a side effect my dr NEVER informed me about. It happened 3 or 4 times when I would go to bed, I was so frightened, thinking I would die in my sleep. Now, since I'm off that junk, I have NOT experienced those heart palpitations and I don't understand why my dr didn't reveal the side effects or checked me for heart problems. I feel great now and thank God for a second chance of life. These meds are only designed to kill. There is no proven evidence that using these medications improve life. Even these drs tell you the end result will not be favorable, why then do we voluntarily poison ourselves?! HIV Drugs = Death Just something I was thinking about. You know the Hiv poster boy - Magic , well he's been " positive " for 11 years now. I don't know what his " protocol " is, but I guess he would be on some type of meds. So IF he is and with what we know about the medications, I believe there is no way he is taking them. Taking these kind of medications for ELEVEN YEARS he would be a dead man. I looked at him the other day while he was getting inducted in the hall of fame, he doesn't look like the people I know on the meds. I don't think he's taking them. I would love to hear anyone thoughts and views on this. http://www.aidsrealitycheck.org/arc_pages/main_frameset.html LA TIMES ADMITS AIDS DRUGS MAY CAUSE STROKE AND HEART DISEASE On February 4th, the deadly side effects of HAART drugs that we have been warning about for years were once again revealed by establishment sources, as the LA Times published a story stating that the new " powerful " protease inhibitors may be linked to stroke and heart disease AIDS Drugs cause Heart Disease HAART therapy has been associated with an increase in heart disease (no pun intended). This is apparently related to the mechanism that also causes fat redistribution and other problems. " Dr. Egger estimates that the more severe forms of lipodystrophy that develop as a result of highly active antiretroviral therapy (HAART) can increase the risk of coronary artery disease by three to four times. " D. Commentary on Welsh study of cardiovascular disease in HIV-infected people. Reuters Health. 2000 Sep 21. " A significant number of the HAART patients had very high levels of Lp(a) and various combinations of increased lipid values associated with considerably increased risk for CHD [coronary heart disease]. The elevation of Lp(a) did not relate to any other clinical or laboratory parameter than to LDL-cholesterol. " Koppel K et al. Serum lipid levels associated with increased risk for cardiovascular disease is associated with highly active antiretroviral therapy (HAART) in HIV-1 infection. Int J STD AIDS. 2000 Aug;11:451--455. " highly active antiretroviral therapy [HAART], which includes two nucleoside reverse-transcriptase inhibitors and a protease inhibitor, has been associated with an increased risk of potential cardiovascular complications that was related to the length of protease-inhibitor treatment and the type of protease inhibitor used. In approximately 60% of patients who were treated with this type of therapy, complications such as lipodystrophy, insulin resistance, and high cholesterol and triglyceride levels developed. In 10% to 20% of patients these complications were severe. There is also anecdotal information suggesting that the risk of angina and myocardial infarction is increased with high active antiretroviral therapy. " Lipshultz SE. Dilated Cardiomyopathy in HIV-Infected Patients. NEJM. 1998;339(16):1153-5. Murray <dirty_rotten_bull@...> on 09/29/2002 12:32:00 PM Please respond to cures for AIDS cures for AIDS cc: Subject: Re: low t-cell count The meds she wants to put me on are...Trizivir, Combivir, and Viramune curedaids@... wrote:I don't know. The healthiest people I know are not concerned with t-cell counts or any other ritual markers, but those who have been counted are much lower than " normal. " Of course if they started smoking, gorging themselves on junk (not food), drinking coffee and alcohol on a daily basis, and so many of the other things " normal " people do, I'm sure their numbers would rise to " normal " levels. Lieb THe world's #1 long-term non-progressor. HIV+ since 1954 -- healthy and fit with NO medical intervention. www.sobehealthy.com Read AIDS-Cured Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2002 Report Share Posted September 30, 2002 Magic is actually NOT taking AIDS drugs. Even Dr. Duesberg stated in his book that he personally, along with other dissidents sent Magic information soon after his diagnosis. Suddenly he went quiet and stopped talking about how important the drugs were. MDs were saying that he basically could not possibly look,feel and perform as he does if he were taking the drugs. He just recently revealed that he has not been taking the drugs and takes care of his health with diet and excersize. Caer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2002 Report Share Posted September 30, 2002 Boy, I tell you, that just makes me angry how drs are deceiving people using him as an example. My drs would always tell me, " You can be beat this, just follow our instructions and you can live a long, healthy life, look at Magic . " Well, I'm glad he is smart enough to listen to the people who tried to really help him. Too bad he isn't speaking out on what he's doing and learned since the drs use him as an example to others as surviving HIV. Well thanks for the info, you just answered what I thought all along. I knew there was NO way he could be on any meds and still be in the shape he's in. " caerfree " <caerfree@...> on 09/30/2002 10:25:01 AM Please respond to cures for AIDS <cures for AIDS > cc: Subject: RE: low t-cell count Magic is actually NOT taking AIDS drugs. Even Dr. Duesberg stated in his book that he personally, along with other dissidents sent Magic information soon after his diagnosis. Suddenly he went quiet and stopped talking about how important the drugs were. MDs were saying that he basically could not possibly look,feel and perform as he does if he were taking the drugs. He just recently revealed that he has not been taking the drugs and takes care of his health with diet and excersize. Caer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2002 Report Share Posted September 30, 2002 I agree. I have a feeling that Magic had to be careful on this though. Anyone who is really famous who takes a stand is just opening his or herself to a huge can of worms. And he tested positive right in the middle of the scare. He would have been ripped to pieces. When they do that, they are publicly attacked, ridiculed and denounced by medical establishments. I would be very afraid of making a stand when I'm that much in the spotlight just because they would never leave me alone. I'm just glad that the man is quietly healthy and fine and hasn't been bullied back in to taking the drugs in order to be a 'role model' and a 'better citizen'. Just some information that I know off hand about famous people who are dissidents: Rock is a dissident, the band " The Foo Fighters " are pretty darn active for the dissident cause. I think there was talk at one point of Sharon Stone being a dissident after she attended a lecture for mothers about being free to refuse drugs to their babies. There is also a group that has taken up the dissident banner in Europe. They are called Color Humano and can be found on the net. Their next CD's them will be about the lies and deception behind the AIDS enigma. We should support these people in any way we can. Caer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2002 Report Share Posted October 5, 2002 In a message dated Sun, 29 Sep 2002 11:32:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, dirty_rotten_bull@... writes: > > The meds she wants to put me on are...Trizivir, Combivir, > and Viramune Sorry, I missed a few days here. There's a certificate of efficacy for you to print out and bring to your doctor at aliveandwell.org. Lieb THe world's #1 long-term non-progressor. HIV+ since 1954 -- healthy and fit with NO medical intervention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2002 Report Share Posted October 6, 2002 In a message dated Sun, 29 Sep 2002 8:07:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, caerfree@... writes: > Have you been eating better? More protein? More veggies? Less processed > food, milk and sugar? Are you taking vitamins and getting > a lot of > antioxidants? If you are implying that a high protein diet is healthy, I have to take exception here. Protein might raise t-cells, but I don't think that is healthy. The protein myth is not based in science, but on propaganda by the meat and dairy industry who saw to it that they were incorporated into the " 4 food groups. " Should anyone need more protein than a growing newborn? I think you'll agree with me that we know what the perfect food is for a human infant? Mother's milk, which is less than 3% protein, like an apple. I believe our high protein diet is the cause of much disease. Lieb THe world's #1 long-term non-progressor. HIV+ since 1954 -- healthy and fit with NO medical intervention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2002 Report Share Posted October 6, 2002 thank you. curedaids@... wrote:In a message dated Sun, 29 Sep 2002 11:32:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, dirty_rotten_bull@... writes: > > The meds she wants to put me on are...Trizivir, Combivir, > and Viramune Sorry, I missed a few days here. There's a certificate of efficacy for you to print out and bring to your doctor at aliveandwell.org. Lieb THe world's #1 long-term non-progressor. HIV+ since 1954 -- healthy and fit with NO medical intervention. Read AIDS-Cured Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2002 Report Share Posted October 6, 2002 <<If you are implying that a high protein diet is healthy, I have to take exception here. Protein might raise t-cells, but I don't think that is healthy. The protein myth is not based in science, but on propaganda by the meat and dairy industry who saw to it that they were incorporated into the " 4 food groups. " >> Actually, I do agree with you to an extent. However I did run into problems when I was getting very little protein, which happens with such high carb diets. But you're right. Protein isn't as important as we are led to believe. My bad for making it a general statement. It is something that needs to be looked at. Caer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2002 Report Share Posted October 6, 2002 Also, I have never heard of more protein making your T cells rise... I was just talking about general health... So I definitely wasn't implying that. ^___^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2002 Report Share Posted October 7, 2002 Undenatured whey protein in products such as Immunocal or ImmunePro have increased T-cells in some individuals. They help raise the body's glutathione levels which is pretty hard to do. caerfree wrote:Also, I have never heard of more protein making your T cells rise... I was just talking about general health... So I definitely wasn't implying that. ^___^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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