Re: Anti-Biotics

[Guest guest]

Iam surprised that Zithromax works with you, i have been told that isn't a

good drug for us, but every BODY is different. Iam immune to it though.

I may get stuck a lot in life, but at least I stick with it:)

Anti-biotics

Hi,

Does it do any good to start trying to rid yourself of candidiasis

while still taking anti-biotics?

I am taking Zythromax anti-biotic, but am also taking caprylic acid, oregon

grape root,

garlic, and Primadophilus.

Is this worthwhile or should I just wait till I stop the anti-biotics?

Thanks,

Sandy

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[Guest guest]

HI,

I am allergic to most other anti-biotics, so Zitromax is one of the few I can

take.

Sandy

Re: Anti-biotics

Iam surprised that Zithromax works with you, i have been told that isn't a

good drug for us, but every BODY is different. Iam immune to it though.

I may get stuck a lot in life, but at least I stick with it:)

Anti-biotics

Hi,

Does it do any good to start trying to rid yourself of candidiasis

while still taking anti-biotics?

I am taking Zythromax anti-biotic, but am also taking caprylic acid, oregon

grape root,

garlic, and Primadophilus.

Is this worthwhile or should I just wait till I stop the anti-biotics?

Thanks,

Sandy

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I think it's worth it. If you wait till you are done with the antibiotics,

the candida will have a head start. Even if all you do is keep it from

getting worse, you are ahead in the long run. Just make sure you are taking

the Primidophilus at least 2 hours apart from the antibiotic to get some

benefit from it.

lindaj@...

Anti-biotics

Hi,

Does it do any good to start trying to rid yourself of candidiasis

while still taking anti-biotics?

I am taking Zythromax anti-biotic, but am also taking caprylic acid, oregon

grape root,

garlic, and Primadophilus.

Is this worthwhile or should I just wait till I stop the anti-biotics?

Thanks,

Sandy

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mwagnit@... wrote:

> I tracked my daughter's anti-biotic use over the last 2 yrs and

> realized she had 17 perscriptions. If that is extended over 3 yrs it

> probably would be 26. What could these have done to her system? She

> has not had any since 6/2001. Mike

>

WHen I was in school I was told about something called

" antibiotic-cycling " (its different than antibiotic resistance).

I have not been able to get ahold of the professors who mentioned to

find out more or research papers.

What they said was, one goes on an antibiotic and it changes how one's

antibodies function for about 6 months. At the end, of the six months

after quiting the last antibiotic, the body gets the smae infection

again. Look at your daughters records and see if you dont notice a

trend/cycle.

I have asked several MD's about this and they all think I mean

antibiotic resistance and give me the smae look they give when I mention

mercury toxicity. It was PhD's (one in chilhood developement and another

in bacterial genetics) that told me of this. I havent found anything on

the net about this searching for " antibiotic cycling " . I have written

one professor and havent heard back from him.

[Guest guest]

>I tracked my daughter's anti-biotic use over the last 2 yrs and

>realized she had 17 perscriptions. If that is extended over 3 yrs it

>probably would be 26. What could these have done to her system? She

>has not had any since 6/2001. Mike

One effect I have been told of is that antibiotics kill off

all the " good " intestinal flora. So repeated use would mean

that all kinds of yeast and digestive issues are very likely.

Some doctors who give adult women antibiotics will give an

Rx for an anti-yeast med along with the Rx for antibiotics, " in

case " it is needed. In other words, the doctor is not saying to

unconditionally take the yeast med-- rather " this anti-biotic

may cause yeast problem-- if so use this SECOND Rx. "

I don't know if this is considered " standard " practice or

not.

I would expect anti-biotics to cause just as much yeast imbalance

in kids and men, but perhaps it is not as apparent.

I would suggest that you give your kid lots of probiotics (if

you don't already). I think this is a good practice for

ANYONE who has taken anti-biotics, regardless of whether

any yeast is noted, and without testing for yeast. If I

were to take antibiotics I would automatically take probiotics

afterward. Your daughter is a much more extreme case, since

any " recovery " of normal flora that she had would have been

killed off again by the next round of antibiotics.

Just my opinion.

Moria

[Guest guest]

> Antibiotics also considerably reduce the excretion rate of mercury, as does

> milk in the diet.

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> >I tracked my daughter's anti-biotic use over the last 2 yrs and

> >realized she had 17 perscriptions. If that is extended over 3 yrs it

> >probably would be 26. What could these have done to her system? She

> >has not had any since 6/2001. Mike

>

> One effect I have been told of is that antibiotics kill off

> all the " good " intestinal flora. So repeated use would mean

> that all kinds of yeast and digestive issues are very likely.

[Guest guest]

I would go to the list and ask Dolphi. He is an Oral Surgeon,

a lovely dedicated man who really wants to help our kids. He is full of

common sense and practical suggestions.

Best,

Anti-biotics

> My 8yr old is due at the dentist tomorrow, he has a constant abcess

> on his gum I am worried the dentist will prescribe antibiotics as I

> blame the use of these on younger sons severe autism and stomch

> disorders, I do not want to give them, but on the other hand how else

> can we deal with an abcess that wont go away and is causing pain.

> Oldest boy is HFA.

> Thanks in advance for your attention.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

You know I am fighting a fungus infection in my body. It's nasty and

the fungus releases mycotoxins which are neurotoxins.

Anti-biotics are a type of fungus from my understanding. If I take

MMS to kill a fungus infection my guess is that it would kill the

anti-biotic as well. Another thing I am looking at for me is can the

fungi build a resistance to MMS. Boy I don't what that to happen.

If it were me I wouldn't take the two together but this is just my

opinion. At the least it may nutralize the anti-biotic.

Sharon

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> Can you take MMS in tandem with an anti-biotic?

>

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> Thanks

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> Seth

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[Guest guest]

I use lime juice. I recently took a break from the MMS and I think

what I'll do is the pulse method. A couple weeks on and a couple

weeks off so the fungi don't build up a resistance to the MMS.

Sharon

You know

I am fighting a fungus infection in my body. It's nasty and

> the fungus releases mycotoxins which are neurotoxins.

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> Regards, Carol Ann ~ The only thing that is different is how you

think..

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[Guest guest]

Holy Moldy, Carol Ann. Thank you for the information on Citric Acid.

It's basically mold. There is another women on this board or a

different one that I will email this information to as she is having

a hard time with candida.

GREAT INFO! GLAD YOU POSTED!

Sharon

You know

I am fighting a fungus infection in my body. It's nasty and

> the fungus releases mycotoxins which are neurotoxins.

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> Regards, Carol Ann ~ The only thing that is different is how you

think..

> http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html

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[Guest guest]

I agree with there is no reason to chance it when you can use

lemon or lime juice to activate. I find that most doctors don't

understand mycotoxins and how hard it is to get rid of them and how

much damage they do to mold sensitive people. Even some of the best

doctors I know don't understand this and these are doctors I like and

respect. The infomation is getting out there but it's taking time.

In the mean time I will avoid citric acid.

Sharon

>

> True, but as everyone is different there could be even one person

that would

> react negatively to the citric acid in the MMS, and as each person

is trying

> their best to get well, perhaps for candida people it would be wise

to just

> not use citric acid. The other activators--lemon, lime juice and 5%

> vinegar--all work. Lime seems especially strong. So, why take the

chance

> on citric when the others will work too? The only difference is

that citric

> seems to be the most powerful, but all of the activators actually

work.

>

> Samala,

>

>

> -------Original Message-------

>

> On Wikipedia, they mentional that aspergillus is used to create

citric acid, but that it's filtered out of the final product. Dr.

doesn't mention citric acid as bad - and she's a fuss-budget

about mold and toxins - but she also seems to stress purity in

products, so it's probably best to go with citric acid from a trusted

source - whatever that means - if you're concerned about it.

>

[Guest guest]

For the record, " antibiotics " are not " fungi " . Antibiotics are not

living organisms, so they cannot be " killed " . Chemically

inactivated, perhaps, but there's nothing living to be killed. There

are many different families of antibiotics. Penicillin is the famous

antibiotic which was found as a result of a penicillium mold landing

in a culture dish of bacteria and the researcher (I'm sorry, I've

forgotten his name) noticing that the bacteria around the mold had

been killed.

Most antibiotics are now synthetically manufactured.

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> > Can you take MMS in tandem with an anti-biotic?

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> > Thanks

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> > Seth

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[Guest guest]

I don't seem to find anything on the net that says that antibiotics

are dead although I think you may be right. Could you provide me

with an authoritative link on this? Thanks, I'm curious because from

my understanding antibiotics for some reason made me worse. In other

words all the antibiotics I was precribed for the five years I had a

biotoxin disease only made my situation worse. I was also given

steroids and this made my condition worse.

Thanks

Sharon

>

> For the record, " antibiotics " are not " fungi " . Antibiotics are not

> living organisms, so they cannot be " killed " . Chemically

> inactivated, perhaps, but there's nothing living to be killed.

There

> are many different families of antibiotics. Penicillin is the

famous

> antibiotic which was found as a result of a penicillium mold

landing

> in a culture dish of bacteria and the researcher (I'm sorry, I've

> forgotten his name) noticing that the bacteria around the mold had

> been killed.

>

> Most antibiotics are now synthetically manufactured.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, I'm new on this forum and I am already learning a lot.

I would like to add to this thread that the best course is to not only

do the research, but also to pay attention to your own body's signals.

What works for one may not work for another.

ly, our bodies are so intensely complex and so many, many

different factos affect all of our reactions and outcomes to each

substance we introduce.

Also, it is worth noting that many things which we think are not

affecting us, may indeed be working up to a cumulative effect. As our

livers age, and we take on more and more of a toxic burden, substances

which we might think are okay for us might not be, and ultimately will

turn around and bite us.

I believe in paying attention to our bodies, but also to seek guidance

on a spiritual level as well. This is what works for me.

Blessings, Jill~

[Guest guest]

From a website that was referred:

http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~vclarke/citric.html

" How citric acid is manufactured

Most commonly, by fermenting cane sugar or molasses in the presence of

a fungus called Aspergillus niger. It can also be obtained from

pineapple by-products and low-grade lemons, but basically, most of the

citric acid that's used as a food additive is mould extract. (Yeast

allergy sufferers have to avoid it for exactly that reason,

apparently). Sounds a lot less appetising when you think about it like

that, doesn't it? "

It seems that citric acid is both a byproduct of sugar production AND a

mold derivative.

HTH! Blessings, Jill~

[Guest guest]

My understanding of antibiotics is that they are derived from fungal

poisons (used by fungi to kill off bacteria). They may be

synthetically made, but that doesn't change the fact of what they

are. The liver must break down these toxins and dispose of them,

which puts a burden on the body. Also, one reason that they are

harmful is that they also kill off beneficial bacteria in the gut

and throught the body. As more recent shows, beneficial bacteria

are actually part of our immune system. Killing them off can weaken

the body over time.

> >

> > For the record, " antibiotics " are not " fungi " . Antibiotics

are

> not

> > living organisms, so they cannot be " killed " . Chemically

> > inactivated, perhaps, but there's nothing living to be

killed.

>

> There

> > are many different families of antibiotics. Penicillin is

the

> famous

> > antibiotic which was found as a result of a penicillium

mold

> landing

> > in a culture dish of bacteria and the researcher (I'm

sorry,

> I've

> > forgotten his name) noticing that the bacteria around the

mold

> had

> > been killed.

> >

> > Most antibiotics are now synthetically manufactured.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dan,

Believe me I know that mycotoxins are not alive and I wonder all the

time how I will get rid of them although I am taking toxin binding

supplements.

When I said that antibiotics made me worse and I read in Mold

Warriors that antibiotics made me worse I had an active fungus

infection. So I'm not sure what you are getting at here. Is there a

point I am missing? I'm always open to new information or something

new to read on this disease.

Thanks

Sharon

> >

> > For the record, " antibiotics " are not " fungi " . Antibiotics

are

> not

> > living organisms, so they cannot be " killed " . Chemically

> > inactivated, perhaps, but there's nothing living to be

killed.

>

> There

> > are many different families of antibiotics. Penicillin is

the

> famous

> > antibiotic which was found as a result of a penicillium

mold

> landing

> > in a culture dish of bacteria and the researcher (I'm sorry,

> I've

> > forgotten his name) noticing that the bacteria around the

mold

> had

> > been killed.

> >

> > Most antibiotics are now synthetically manufactured.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi , I'm another moldy and I just talked to my biotoxin doctor (an

MD I might add) and I got some news about my sensitivity. She said

when I am exposed now to mold I will go down now for three weeks. It

will only take ten minutes for me after exposure.

Welcome I'm glad to have another moldy on the board.

Sharon

>

> Hmmm, as a mold sensitive diabetic who has been

> feeling like caca since taking MMS, I think I'd better

> switch to lime juice...

> jp

>

>

> >

[Guest guest]

These forums are about alternative/natural remedies, we don't

need 'antibiotics' They are drugs, and do not work...

-- In , " Dan Nave "

<Dan.Nave@...> wrote:

>

> Biotoxins are also not alive, and cannot be affected by antibiotics.

>

> Dan

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> From:

> [mailto: ] On Behalf Of

Sharon

> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 7:20 AM

>

> Subject: [ ] Re: Anti-Biotics

>

>

>

> I don't seem to find anything on the net that says that

> antibiotics

> are dead although I think you may be right. Could you provide

me

>

> with an authoritative link on this? Thanks, I'm curious

because

> from

> my understanding antibiotics for some reason made me worse. In

> other

> words all the antibiotics I was precribed for the five years I

> had a

> biotoxin disease only made my situation worse. I was also

given

> steroids and this made my condition worse.

>

> Thanks

> Sharon

>

> >

> > For the record, " antibiotics " are not " fungi " . Antibiotics

are

> not

> > living organisms, so they cannot be " killed " . Chemically

> > inactivated, perhaps, but there's nothing living to be

killed.

>

> There

> > are many different families of antibiotics. Penicillin is

the

> famous

> > antibiotic which was found as a result of a penicillium

mold

> landing

> > in a culture dish of bacteria and the researcher (I'm sorry,

> I've

> > forgotten his name) noticing that the bacteria around the

mold

> had

> > been killed.

> >

> > Most antibiotics are now synthetically manufactured.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Contrary to me, this sound exactly like the protocol to develop resistent fungi.

You give

them time to adapt. I would rethink this.

Arrow

, " Sharon " <shha2002@...> wrote:

>

> I use lime juice. I recently took a break from the MMS and I think

> what I'll do is the pulse method. A couple weeks on and a couple

> weeks off so the fungi don't build up a resistance to the MMS.

>

> Sharon

>

> You know

> I am fighting a fungus infection in my body. It's nasty and

> > the fungus releases mycotoxins which are neurotoxins.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Regards, Carol Ann ~ The only thing that is different is how you

> think..

> > http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html

> >

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[Guest guest]

Dan I am familiar with what you are saying however because most MDs

or NDs do not understand this you get the antibiotics and nothing for

the toxins. Each time I got sick it would get worse. I was

definately not being treated appropriately for my disease. You are

absolutely correct in what you are saying. I wonder how you came to

understand so much about this.

Again I wasn't sure why antibiotics were bad I don't recall what I

read but I do recall it being mentioned in Mold Warrior. I was on

steroid for six months (yep adrenal glands almost went the way of

complete atrophy). Mold Warriors mentions this as well and says it's

like putting gas on a fire.

Sharon

>

> My only concern is that being able to think clearly about the cause

and

> effect of certain things, the clarification of what they actually

are,

> and what they actually do, is beneficial. Please note that this is

not

> directed against *you*, but is just a general observation of the

> impression given by the list as a whole, as the accumulation of many

> posts from different people that give a skew to the idea of cause

and

> effect and what sort of consciousness can be attributed to disease

or

> organisms, etc. I hope you can follow that... ;-))

>

> For example the idea that lyme is *smart* is not true. It may act

*as*

> *if* it is smart, but it isn't actually thinking, it is reacting.

>

> In individual instances it is not a problem to describe things like

> this, but at some point it is not helpful in our real understanding

of

> the way things work and in determining best how to combat them.

>

> As an example, in the case you are referring to, antibiotics can

make

> you feel worse if they kill off some organism which releases toxins,

> which you then have to deal with in the body.

>

> Dan

>

> Sir Fleming observed that colonies of the bacterium

> Staphylococcus aureus could be destroyed by the mold Penicillium

> notatum.

>

>

> ________________________________

>

>

[Guest guest]

I believe people are having more problems today with antibiotics

because big pharma is creating more powerful antibiotics to kill all

these new antibiotic-resistant bacteria (MRSA for example). So they're

making the antibiotics more deadly to bacteria and more toxic to our

livers.

I've read articles on this, had an herbalist tell me that he's seeing

people develop liver problems after antibiotic use, etc.

So many medical treatments and procedures are simply not safe -- I

don't care how much they reassure us with their " studies " it almost

always comes out later that something wasn't safe. Besides

antibiotics, the latest seems to be MRIs.

http://www.nsftrax.com/nsf/?AFID=16379 & SID=103

Margaret

> >

> > For the record, " antibiotics " are not " fungi " . Antibiotics are not

> > living organisms, so they cannot be " killed " . Chemically

> > inactivated, perhaps, but there's nothing living to be killed.

> There

> > are many different families of antibiotics. Penicillin is the

> famous

> > antibiotic which was found as a result of a penicillium mold

> landing

> > in a culture dish of bacteria and the researcher (I'm sorry, I've

> > forgotten his name) noticing that the bacteria around the mold had

> > been killed.

> >

> > Most antibiotics are now synthetically manufactured.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

> For what it worth, I did a short stint of using Grapefruit seed

extract (GSE) from Nutribiotics,\\

Main Entry: bi·ot·ic - of or relating to life; especially : caused

or produced by living beings.

an·ti - a person who is opposed to a particular practice, party,

policy, action, etc.; not in favor of (an action or proposal etc.) ;

1. Opposite: antimere.

2. Opposing; against: antisocial.

3. Counteracting; neutralizing: antibody.

Any mistake or coincidence that pharmaceutical drugs are called

" anti-biotics " ?

[Guest guest]

I'm a former hospital pharmacist w/a Dr. of Pharmacy degree. I'm not

saying that antibiotics are not toxic. I'm just saying that they're

not " alive " with the capability of being " killed " . Statements like

that are what give internet sites such bad reputations in the medical

community. I'm just trying to nip a very uninformed statement in the

bud so that other uninformed readers don't take the ball and run with

it like it's the truth.

People often have bad reactions to drugs, not just antibiotics.

Almost all drugs have side effects, many more severe than others.

I'm not making excuses for it. I have Lyme disease and am struggling

like everyone else here to get well. At the same time, I feel there

is some responsibility not to start proliferating ridiculously

uniformed statements such as the one I responded to. This isn't

meant to be a personal attack on anyone. I'm just trying to keep

really false information from being passed out on the board.

For the record, as a past health professional, I am or have used all

of the following to try to get well: multiple antibiotics, herbs,

rife, IRT, heat, ozone sauna, and topical MMS. Please understand

that I'm not criticizing anyone's choice of therapies to try to get

well.

Patti

> >

> > For the record, " antibiotics " are not " fungi " . Antibiotics are

not

> > living organisms, so they cannot be " killed " . Chemically

> > inactivated, perhaps, but there's nothing living to be killed.

> There

> > are many different families of antibiotics. Penicillin is the

> famous

> > antibiotic which was found as a result of a penicillium mold

> landing

> > in a culture dish of bacteria and the researcher (I'm sorry, I've

> > forgotten his name) noticing that the bacteria around the mold

had

> > been killed.

> >

> > Most antibiotics are now synthetically manufactured.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Bob,

I understand what you're saying. My original post was because

another poster said that she read that antibiotics were " fungi "

(they're not) which might be " killed " by MMS. My greatest fear for

those reading the board who might not know any better is that they

would go to their Drs and say " I read on the internet that

antibiotics are fungi and can be killed " . That would be the fastest

way to have your Dr. never take anything you say seriously again, and

I would hate to see that happen to anyone who's sick and needs help.

Note that I'm not saying that MMS might or might not inactivate an

antibiotic. Maybe it will, maybe it won't. I personally don't have

info on MMS to say one way or another.

I've gotten ton's of great information off of the boards and

appreciate the discussions here. But once in a while some wildly

erroneous information gets out here as well and we need to be careful

of it.

>

> i tend to use language somewhat loosely and would be inclined to

use the

> term " killed " to mean broken, disabled, rendered ineffective, not

ever

> intending to mean that something was ever alive per se. so when i

read such

> things i tend to see them in that possible interpretation also...

and i

> assume (silly me) since we elist members are of such diverse

backrounds of

> education, culture, communicative abilities and styles, etc, that

we at

> least have the sense to consider possible intended meanings outside

the

> strict rules and structure of language.

>

> > [ ] Re: Anti-Biotics

> >

> >

> > I'm a former hospital pharmacist w/a Dr. of Pharmacy degree. I'm

not

> > saying that antibiotics are not toxic. I'm just saying that

they're

> > not " alive " with the capability of being " killed " . Statements

like

> > that are what give internet sites such bad reputations in the

medical

> > community. I'm just trying to nip a very uninformed statement in

the

> > bud so that other uninformed readers don't take the ball and run

with

> > it like it's the truth.

> >

>