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SWAT officers invade home, take 11-year-old at gunpoint

Police demand boy go to doctor because of fall during horseplay

Posted: January 7, 2008

1:00 a.m. Eastern

By Bob Unruh

C 2008 WorldNetDaily. com

Nearly a dozen members of a police SWAT team in western Colorado

punched a

hole in the front door and invaded a family's home with guns drawn,

demanding that an 11-year-old boy who had had an accidental fall

accompany

them to the hospital, on the order of Garfield County Magistrate Lain

Leoniak.

The boy's parents and siblings were thrown to the floor at gunpoint

and the

parents were handcuffed in the weekend assault, and the boy's father

told

WND it was all because a paramedic was upset the family preferred to

care

for their son themselves.

Someone, apparently the unidentified paramedic, called police, the

sheriff's

office and social services, eventually providing Leoniak with a

report that

generated the magistrate's court order to the sheriff's office for

the SWAT

team assault on the family's home in a mobile home development

outside of

Glenwood Springs, the father, Tom Shiflett, told WND.

(Story continues below)

WND calls and e-mails to Garfield County Social Services were not

returned,

and Leoniak, who earlier served as a water court clerk/referee, also

was not

available.

Sheriff Lou Vallario, however, did call back, and told WND he ordered

his

officers to do exactly what the magistrate demanded.

" I was given a court order by the magistrate to seize the child, and

arrange

for medical evaluation, and that's what we did, " he said.

According to friends of the family, Tom Shiflett, who has 10 children

including six still at home, and served with paramedics in Vietnam,

was

monitoring his son's condition himself.

The paramedic and magistrate, however, ruled that that wasn't

adequate, and

dispatched the officers to take the boy, , to a hospital, where a

doctor

evaluated him and released him immediately.

The accident happened during horseplay, Tom Shiflett told WND.

was

grabbing the door handle of a car as his sister was starting to drive

away

slowly. He slipped, fell to the ground and hit his head, Shiflett

said.

He immediately carried his son into their home several doors away,

and

was able to recite Bible verses and correctly spell words as his

father and

mother, Tina, requested. There were no broken bones, no dilated eyes,

or any

other noticeable problems.

The family, whose members live by faith and homeschool, decided not

to call

an ambulance. But a neighbor did call Westcare Ambulance, and

paramedics

responded to the home, asking to see and evaluate the boy.

The paramedics were allowed to see the boy, and found no significant

impairment, but wanted to take him to the hospital for an evaluation

anyway.

Fearing the hospital's bills, the family refused to allow that.

" This apparently did not go over well with one of the paramedics and

they

started getting aggravated at Tom for not letting them have their

way, " a

family acquaintance told WND.

" The paramedics were not at all respectful of Tom's decision, nor did

they

act in a manner we would expect from professional paramedics, " the

acquaintance said.

So the ambulance crew, who also could not be reached by WND, called

police,

only to be told the decision was up to the Shiflett familiy.

The paramedics then called the sheriff's office, and officers

responded to

the home, and were told everyone was being cared for.

Then the next day, Friday, social services workers appeared at the

door and

demanded to talk with " in private. "

They were so persistent Tom ended up having to get out of the

bathtub

he was just soaking in, to bring him to the front porch where the

social

workers could see him, the family reported.

Then, following an afternoon shopping trip to town, the family

settled in

for the evening, only to be shocked with the SWAT team attack.

The sheriff said the decision to use SWAT team force was justified

because

the father was a " self-proclaimed constitutionalist " and had made

threats

and " comments " over the years.

However, the sheriff declined to provide a single instance of the

father's

illegal behavior. " I can't tell you specifically, " he said.

" He was refusing to provide medical care, " the sheriff said.

However, the sheriff said if his own children were involved in an at-

home

accident, he would want to be the one to make decisions on their

healthcare,

as did Shiflett.

" I guess if that was one of my children, I would make that decision, "

the

sheriff said.

But he said Shiflett was " rude and confrontational " when the

paramedics

arrived and entered his home without his permission.

The sheriff also admitted that the injury to the child had been at

least 24

hours earlier, because the fall apparently happened Thursday

afternoon, and

the SWAT attack happened late Friday evening.

Officials with the Home School Legal Defense Association reported

they were

looking into the case, because of requests from family friends who are

members of the organization.

" While people can debate whether or not the father should have

brought his

son to the ER - it seems like this was not the kind of emergency that

warrants this kind of outrageous conduct by government officials, " a

spokesman said.

Tom Shiflett said when was evaluated by the physician, " they

didn't

find anything wrong with him. "

He said the paramedics never should have entered his home, but they

followed

his wife in the front door when she came in.

" My attention was on my son, " Shiflett said.

He said the SWAT team punched a hole in his door with a ramrod, and

the

first officer in the home pointed a gun right in the face of Tom's

20-year-old daughter.

" I don't know where social services ever got started, or where they

got

their authority, " he said. " But I want to know why we have something

in this

country that violates our rights, that takes a parental right away. "

He said he saw a multitude of injuries in Vietnam, and while he

recognized

that his son needed to be watched, he wasn't willing to turn his

child over

to the paramedics.

With 10 children, most of them older than , it's not as if he

hasn't

seen a bruise or two, either, he said.

" Now I'm hunting for lawyers that will take the case . I'm going to

sue

everybody whose name was on that page right down to the judge, " he

said.

Mike Donnelly, a lawyer with the HSLDA, told WND the case had a set of

circumstances that could be problematic for authorities.

" In Doe V. Heck, the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals held that parents

have a

fundamental right to familial relations including a liberty interest

in the

care, custody and control of their children, " he said.

He also said many social services agencies apply " a one size fits all

approach " to cases, regardless of circumstances.

----------

[Guest guest]

I heard an interview with the father on the show yesterday

I think -- www.gcnlive.com or www.wtprn.com

This is just the tip of the ice berg. Several other people were

interviewed on the power hour (also www.gcnlive.com) and have horrible

scary stories --

this website reveals alot of the craziness going on -- and if you want

a good charity, this is it.

Margaret

>

> <http://wnd.com/ news/article. asp?ARTICLE_ ID=59566>

> http://wnd.com/ news/article. asp?ARTICLE_ ID=59566

> SWAT officers invade home, take 11-year-old at gunpoint

> Police demand boy go to doctor because of fall during horseplay

>

> Posted: January 7, 2008

> 1:00 a.m. Eastern

> By Bob Unruh

> C 2008 WorldNetDaily. com

>

> Nearly a dozen members of a police SWAT team in western Colorado

> punched a

> hole in the front door and invaded a family's home with guns drawn,

> demanding that an 11-year-old boy who had had an accidental fall

> accompany

> them to the hospital, on the order of Garfield County Magistrate Lain

> Leoniak.

>

> The boy's parents and siblings were thrown to the floor at gunpoint

> and the

> parents were handcuffed in the weekend assault, and the boy's father

> told

> WND it was all because a paramedic was upset the family preferred to

> care

> for their son themselves.

>

> Someone, apparently the unidentified paramedic, called police, the

> sheriff's

> office and social services, eventually providing Leoniak with a

> report that

> generated the magistrate's court order to the sheriff's office for

> the SWAT

> team assault on the family's home in a mobile home development

> outside of

> Glenwood Springs, the father, Tom Shiflett, told WND.

>

> (Story continues below)

>

> WND calls and e-mails to Garfield County Social Services were not

> returned,

> and Leoniak, who earlier served as a water court clerk/referee, also

> was not

> available.

>

> Sheriff Lou Vallario, however, did call back, and told WND he ordered

> his

> officers to do exactly what the magistrate demanded.

>

> " I was given a court order by the magistrate to seize the child, and

> arrange

> for medical evaluation, and that's what we did, " he said.

>

> According to friends of the family, Tom Shiflett, who has 10 children

> including six still at home, and served with paramedics in Vietnam,

> was

> monitoring his son's condition himself.

>

> The paramedic and magistrate, however, ruled that that wasn't

> adequate, and

> dispatched the officers to take the boy, , to a hospital, where a

> doctor

> evaluated him and released him immediately.

>

> The accident happened during horseplay, Tom Shiflett told WND.

> was

> grabbing the door handle of a car as his sister was starting to drive

> away

> slowly. He slipped, fell to the ground and hit his head, Shiflett

> said.

>

> He immediately carried his son into their home several doors away,

> and

> was able to recite Bible verses and correctly spell words as his

> father and

> mother, Tina, requested. There were no broken bones, no dilated eyes,

> or any

> other noticeable problems.

>

> The family, whose members live by faith and homeschool, decided not

> to call

> an ambulance. But a neighbor did call Westcare Ambulance, and

> paramedics

> responded to the home, asking to see and evaluate the boy.

>

> The paramedics were allowed to see the boy, and found no significant

> impairment, but wanted to take him to the hospital for an evaluation

> anyway.

> Fearing the hospital's bills, the family refused to allow that.

>

> " This apparently did not go over well with one of the paramedics and

> they

> started getting aggravated at Tom for not letting them have their

> way, " a

> family acquaintance told WND.

>

> " The paramedics were not at all respectful of Tom's decision, nor did

> they

> act in a manner we would expect from professional paramedics, " the

> acquaintance said.

>

> So the ambulance crew, who also could not be reached by WND, called

> police,

> only to be told the decision was up to the Shiflett familiy.

>

> The paramedics then called the sheriff's office, and officers

> responded to

> the home, and were told everyone was being cared for.

>

> Then the next day, Friday, social services workers appeared at the

> door and

> demanded to talk with " in private. "

>

> They were so persistent Tom ended up having to get out of the

> bathtub

> he was just soaking in, to bring him to the front porch where the

> social

> workers could see him, the family reported.

>

> Then, following an afternoon shopping trip to town, the family

> settled in

> for the evening, only to be shocked with the SWAT team attack.

>

> The sheriff said the decision to use SWAT team force was justified

> because

> the father was a " self-proclaimed constitutionalist " and had made

> threats

> and " comments " over the years.

>

> However, the sheriff declined to provide a single instance of the

> father's

> illegal behavior. " I can't tell you specifically, " he said.

>

> " He was refusing to provide medical care, " the sheriff said.

>

> However, the sheriff said if his own children were involved in an at-

> home

> accident, he would want to be the one to make decisions on their

> healthcare,

> as did Shiflett.

>

> " I guess if that was one of my children, I would make that decision, "

> the

> sheriff said.

>

> But he said Shiflett was " rude and confrontational " when the

> paramedics

> arrived and entered his home without his permission.

>

> The sheriff also admitted that the injury to the child had been at

> least 24

> hours earlier, because the fall apparently happened Thursday

> afternoon, and

> the SWAT attack happened late Friday evening.

>

> Officials with the Home School Legal Defense Association reported

> they were

> looking into the case, because of requests from family friends who are

> members of the organization.

>

> " While people can debate whether or not the father should have

> brought his

> son to the ER - it seems like this was not the kind of emergency that

> warrants this kind of outrageous conduct by government officials, " a

> spokesman said.

>

> Tom Shiflett said when was evaluated by the physician, " they

> didn't

> find anything wrong with him. "

>

> He said the paramedics never should have entered his home, but they

> followed

> his wife in the front door when she came in.

>

> " My attention was on my son, " Shiflett said.

>

> He said the SWAT team punched a hole in his door with a ramrod, and

> the

> first officer in the home pointed a gun right in the face of Tom's

> 20-year-old daughter.

>

> " I don't know where social services ever got started, or where they

> got

> their authority, " he said. " But I want to know why we have something

> in this

> country that violates our rights, that takes a parental right away. "

>

> He said he saw a multitude of injuries in Vietnam, and while he

> recognized

> that his son needed to be watched, he wasn't willing to turn his

> child over

> to the paramedics.

>

> With 10 children, most of them older than , it's not as if he

> hasn't

> seen a bruise or two, either, he said.

>

> " Now I'm hunting for lawyers that will take the case . I'm going to

> sue

> everybody whose name was on that page right down to the judge, " he

> said.

>

> Mike Donnelly, a lawyer with the HSLDA, told WND the case had a set of

> circumstances that could be problematic for authorities.

>

> " In Doe V. Heck, the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals held that parents

> have a

> fundamental right to familial relations including a liberty interest

> in the

> care, custody and control of their children, " he said.

>

> He also said many social services agencies apply " a one size fits all

> approach " to cases, regardless of circumstances.

>

> ----------

>

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Can We hear it at the website? is there a recording? If so, please walk me through the process .New websites confuse me. IN NCmom4sure23 <mom4sure23@...> wrote: I heard an interview with the father on the show yesterdayI think -- www.gcnlive.com or www.wtprn.comThis is just the tip of the ice berg. Several other people

wereinterviewed on the power hour (also www.gcnlive.com) and have horriblescary stories --this website reveals alot of the craziness going on -- and if you wanta good charity, this is it.Margaret>> <http://wnd.com/ news/article. asp?ARTICLE_ ID=59566>> http://wnd.com/ news/article. asp?ARTICLE_ ID=59566> SWAT officers invade home, take 11-year-old at gunpoint> Police demand boy go to doctor because of fall during horseplay> > Posted: January 7, 2008> 1:00 a.m. Eastern> By Bob Unruh> C 2008 WorldNetDaily. com > > Nearly a dozen members of a police SWAT team in western Colorado > punched

a> hole in the front door and invaded a family's home with guns drawn,> demanding that an 11-year-old boy who had had an accidental fall > accompany> them to the hospital, on the order of Garfield County Magistrate Lain> Leoniak. > > The boy's parents and siblings were thrown to the floor at gunpoint > and the> parents were handcuffed in the weekend assault, and the boy's father > told> WND it was all because a paramedic was upset the family preferred to > care> for their son themselves. > > Someone, apparently the unidentified paramedic, called police, the > sheriff's> office and social services, eventually providing Leoniak with a > report that> generated the magistrate's court order to the sheriff's office for > the SWAT> team assault on the family's home in a mobile home development > outside of> Glenwood

Springs, the father, Tom Shiflett, told WND. > > (Story continues below) > > WND calls and e-mails to Garfield County Social Services were not > returned,> and Leoniak, who earlier served as a water court clerk/referee, also > was not> available. > > Sheriff Lou Vallario, however, did call back, and told WND he ordered > his> officers to do exactly what the magistrate demanded. > > "I was given a court order by the magistrate to seize the child, and > arrange> for medical evaluation, and that's what we did," he said. > > According to friends of the family, Tom Shiflett, who has 10 children> including six still at home, and served with paramedics in Vietnam, > was> monitoring his son's condition himself. > > The paramedic and magistrate, however, ruled that that wasn't > adequate, and> dispatched the

officers to take the boy, , to a hospital, where a > doctor> evaluated him and released him immediately. > > The accident happened during horseplay, Tom Shiflett told WND. > was> grabbing the door handle of a car as his sister was starting to drive > away> slowly. He slipped, fell to the ground and hit his head, Shiflett > said. > > He immediately carried his son into their home several doors away, > and > was able to recite Bible verses and correctly spell words as his > father and> mother, Tina, requested. There were no broken bones, no dilated eyes, > or any> other noticeable problems. > > The family, whose members live by faith and homeschool, decided not > to call> an ambulance. But a neighbor did call Westcare Ambulance, and > paramedics> responded to the home, asking to see and evaluate the boy.

> > The paramedics were allowed to see the boy, and found no significant> impairment, but wanted to take him to the hospital for an evaluation > anyway.> Fearing the hospital's bills, the family refused to allow that. > > "This apparently did not go over well with one of the paramedics and > they> started getting aggravated at Tom for not letting them have their > way," a> family acquaintance told WND. > > "The paramedics were not at all respectful of Tom's decision, nor did > they> act in a manner we would expect from professional paramedics," the> acquaintance said. > > So the ambulance crew, who also could not be reached by WND, called > police,> only to be told the decision was up to the Shiflett familiy. > > The paramedics then called the sheriff's office, and officers > responded to> the home, and were

told everyone was being cared for. > > Then the next day, Friday, social services workers appeared at the > door and> demanded to talk with "in private." > > They were so persistent Tom ended up having to get out of the > bathtub> he was just soaking in, to bring him to the front porch where the > social> workers could see him, the family reported. > > Then, following an afternoon shopping trip to town, the family > settled in> for the evening, only to be shocked with the SWAT team attack. > > The sheriff said the decision to use SWAT team force was justified > because> the father was a "self-proclaimed constitutionalist" and had made > threats> and "comments" over the years. > > However, the sheriff declined to provide a single instance of the > father's> illegal behavior. "I can't tell you

specifically, " he said. > > "He was refusing to provide medical care," the sheriff said. > > However, the sheriff said if his own children were involved in an at-> home> accident, he would want to be the one to make decisions on their > healthcare,> as did Shiflett. > > "I guess if that was one of my children, I would make that decision," > the> sheriff said. > > But he said Shiflett was "rude and confrontational" when the > paramedics> arrived and entered his home without his permission. > > The sheriff also admitted that the injury to the child had been at > least 24> hours earlier, because the fall apparently happened Thursday > afternoon, and> the SWAT attack happened late Friday evening. > > Officials with the Home School Legal Defense Association reported > they were> looking into the

case, because of requests from family friends who are> members of the organization. > > "While people can debate whether or not the father should have > brought his> son to the ER - it seems like this was not the kind of emergency that> warrants this kind of outrageous conduct by government officials," a> spokesman said. > > Tom Shiflett said when was evaluated by the physician, "they > didn't> find anything wrong with him." > > He said the paramedics never should have entered his home, but they > followed> his wife in the front door when she came in. > > "My attention was on my son," Shiflett said. > > He said the SWAT team punched a hole in his door with a ramrod, and > the> first officer in the home pointed a gun right in the face of Tom's> 20-year-old daughter. > > "I don't know where social

services ever got started, or where they > got> their authority," he said. "But I want to know why we have something > in this> country that violates our rights, that takes a parental right away." > > He said he saw a multitude of injuries in Vietnam, and while he > recognized> that his son needed to be watched, he wasn't willing to turn his > child over> to the paramedics. > > With 10 children, most of them older than , it's not as if he > hasn't> seen a bruise or two, either, he said. > > "Now I'm hunting for lawyers that will take the case . I'm going to > sue> everybody whose name was on that page right down to the judge," he > said. > > Mike Donnelly, a lawyer with the HSLDA, told WND the case had a set of> circumstances that could be problematic for authorities. > > "In Doe V. Heck, the 7th Circuit

Court of Appeals held that parents > have a> fundamental right to familial relations including a liberty interest > in the> care, custody and control of their children," he said. > > He also said many social services agencies apply "a one size fits all> approach" to cases, regardless of circumstances. > > ----------> Wilkins

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Sorry, I forgot to post the website.

http://www.freeourkids.com/

This does not have the interview with the father from the posted World

Net Daily article -- luckily he did not lose his child, but these are

stories of families who have lost their children to DCF in Florida.

Thepowerhour interviewed one father, who with his wife, were

homeschooling their children. One child was bit by a dog which led to

DCF (CPS in FL) intervening. DCF took his children from them. The wife

disappeared with the youngest and they are trying to find her. His

parental rights have been terminated.

This father talked about how they drag parents crying and begging for

explanation from the court as to why they are taking their children

away. Apparently it is a federal government program that gives money

to the states and somehow these social workers must benefit personally

as well when they take the children from the parents.

The DCF worker for his case is Gallagher, who has been arrested

for falsifying cases of child abuse to get money from DCF.

This father also stated that his children, since they have been

removed from his home, have been to the hospital approximately a 100

times while in DCF custody or foster home.

I know this is OT, but this is such a horrible crime. We need to get

this out to people and stop this abuse of families and children!

Margaret

>

> Can We hear it at the website? is there a recording?

> If so, please walk me through the process .New websites confuse me.

> IN NC

>