Re: competitor bashes MMS as toxic.....

[Guest guest]

He sure brings up some interesting points which needs to be researched

further. One point in particular has bothered me since I have read Humble's

books. Why does not the natural stomach acids activate sodium chlorite to a

large extent? Why does it need to be activated before consumption? Anyone

can explain that to me?

doug

[ ] competitor bashes MMS as toxic.....

> this guy showed up on the curezone MMS forum yesterday with a range of

> accusations about the toxicity of MMS. it looks like he is a

> competitor... claims that activated MMS is simply too strong to be

> safe. does anyone know the " backstory " here? is this guy just a

> fraud, or are these legitimate points?

>

> http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1100601#i

>

>

[Guest guest]

he can't spell or structure his writing worth a damn, so i would question

his claims of being whatever he claims to be. maybe just too lazy to use

his ability (that he had to demonstrate throughout schooling) to communicate

clearly?

if he's going to present arguments re specific numbers, ratios, etc, they

would be better presented in a way that doesn't require careful scrutiny to

figure out what's being said.

he might have some good points about the way MMS is used, but i can't tell

from what he's written so far. ideas are jumbled together and around making

it just too hard clearly figure out what he's trying to say.

> [ ] competitor bashes MMS as

> toxic.....

>

>

> this guy showed up on the curezone MMS forum yesterday with a range of

> accusations about the toxicity of MMS. it looks like he is a

> competitor... claims that activated MMS is simply too strong to be

> safe. does anyone know the " backstory " here? is this guy just a

> fraud, or are these legitimate points?

>

> http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1100601#i

[Guest guest]

Interesting you should bring this up. I was just rereading some of Jim

Humbles book yesterday and one of the points that he brought out is not

to take MMS without activation. remember for years people took it

without activating it because the mistakenly thought that they were

super oxigenating themselves with the double O2 molecule. However

because it is bound to itself, it is not avaliable as useable oxegen to

us. The only slight benifit that they would of got from it is if it had

a fraction of it convert to its activated form. inorder for it to be of

any benifit unactivated, we would have to take 120 drops of unactivated

to 1 drop of activated. and remember if it is activated it disasembles

its self after 2 hours. Does it do that if not activated?

--- In , " jcgre " <jcgre@...>

wrote:

>

> this guy showed up on the curezone MMS forum yesterday with a range

of

> accusations about the toxicity of MMS. it looks like he is a

> competitor... claims that activated MMS is simply too strong to be

> safe. does anyone know the " backstory " here? is this guy just a

> fraud, or are these legitimate points?

>

> http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1100601#i

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am at 8 drops and use lemon juice---do we increase the lemon juice as we increase the drops?--I have been so am using about 20 drops of lemon juice. .west612908 <Marie22@...> wrote: Interesting you should bring this up. I was just rereading some of Jim Humbles book yesterday and one of the points that he brought out is not to take MMS without activation. remember for years people took it without activating it because the mistakenly thought that they were super oxigenating themselves with the double

O2 molecule. However because it is bound to itself, it is not avaliable as useable oxegen to us. The only slight benifit that they would of got from it is if it had a fraction of it convert to its activated form. inorder for it to be of any benifit unactivated, we would have to take 120 drops of unactivated to 1 drop of activated. and remember if it is activated it disasembles its self after 2 hours. Does it do that if not activated?>> this guy showed up on the curezone MMS forum yesterday with a range of > accusations about the toxicity of MMS. it looks like he is a > competitor... claims that activated MMS is simply too strong to be > safe. does anyone know the "backstory" here? is this guy just a > fraud, or are these

legitimate points?> > http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1100601#i> > >

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5 drops of activator for each drop of MMS. You shold beat 40 drops for 8 drops. IN NCBea Bernhausen <beabernhausen@...> wrote: I am at 8 drops and use lemon juice---do we increase the lemon juice as we increase the drops?--I have been so am using about 20 drops of lemon juice. .west612908 <Marie22outdrs (DOT) net>

wrote: Interesting you should bring this up. I was just rereading some of Jim Humbles book yesterday and one of the points that he brought out is not to take MMS without activation. remember for years people took it without activating it because the mistakenly thought that they were super oxigenating themselves with the double O2 molecule. However because it is bound to itself, it is not avaliable as useable oxegen to us. The only slight benifit that they would of got from it is if it had a fraction of it convert to its activated form. inorder for it to be of any benifit unactivated, we would have to take 120 drops of unactivated to 1 drop of activated. and remember if it is activated it disasembles its self after 2 hours. Does it do that if not activated?>> this guy showed up on the curezone MMS forum yesterday with a range of > accusations about the toxicity of MMS. it looks like he is a > competitor... claims that activated MMS is simply too strong to be > safe. does anyone know the "backstory" here? is this guy just a > fraud, or are these legitimate points?> > http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1100601#i> > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. Wilkins

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[Guest guest]

Ok thanks!!! Wilkins <montemomma2002@...> wrote: 5 drops of activator for each drop of MMS. You shold beat 40 drops for 8 drops. IN NCBea Bernhausen <beabernhausen > wrote: I am at 8 drops and use lemon juice---do we increase the

lemon juice as we increase the drops?--I have been so am using about 20 drops of lemon juice. .west612908 <Marie22outdrs (DOT) net> wrote: Interesting you should bring this up. I was just rereading some of Jim Humbles book yesterday and one of the points that he brought out is not to take MMS without activation. remember for years people took it without activating it because the mistakenly thought that they were super oxigenating themselves with the double O2 molecule. However because it is bound to itself, it is not avaliable as useable oxegen to us. The only slight benifit that they would of got from it is if it had a fraction of it convert to its activated form. inorder for it to be of any benifit unactivated, we would have to take 120 drops of unactivated to 1 drop of activated. and remember if

it is activated it disasembles its self after 2 hours. Does it do that if not activated?>> this guy showed up on the curezone MMS forum yesterday with a range of > accusations about the toxicity of MMS. it looks like he is a > competitor... claims that activated MMS is simply too strong to be > safe. does anyone know the "backstory" here? is this guy just a > fraud, or are these legitimate points?> > http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1100601#i> > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. Wilkins http//:www.juiceplus.com/+lw55887 The Children's Research Foundation Children 6-15 FREE for 3 years Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.

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[Guest guest]

Bob- I agree, and this tone if awful. It got worse over there

today. now he claims that he has filed a complaint with the DOT and

wants to shut down sales of MMS. check it out:

http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1100951#i

I don't have the time or energy to really try and figure out what he

is saying, other than that activated MMS is allegedly far to

powerful to consume, and could result in damage to red blood cells.

In my month of using MMS, I had some good results clearing the

pomphylox on my hands. so I'm inclided to ignore the negativity.

but, I sure don't like the tone of these posts.

>

> he can't spell or structure his writing worth a damn, so i would

question

> his claims of being whatever he claims to be. maybe just too lazy

to use

> his ability (that he had to demonstrate throughout schooling) to

communicate

> clearly?

>

> if he's going to present arguments re specific numbers, ratios,

etc, they

> would be better presented in a way that doesn't require careful

scrutiny to

> figure out what's being said.

>

> he might have some good points about the way MMS is used, but i

can't tell

> from what he's written so far. ideas are jumbled together and

around making

> it just too hard clearly figure out what he's trying to say.

>

> > [ ] competitor bashes MMS as

> > toxic.....

> >

> >

> > this guy showed up on the curezone MMS forum yesterday with a

range of

> > accusations about the toxicity of MMS. it looks like he is a

> > competitor... claims that activated MMS is simply too strong to

be

> > safe. does anyone know the " backstory " here? is this guy just a

> > fraud, or are these legitimate points?

> >

> > http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1100601#i

>

[Guest guest]

what a JERK! YOu can beg to differ without ruining for others who are healing with it! ARGH! So sad....

Why is it that people feel teh govt has to regulate everything - i think the consumer does a better job of it myself.

On 2/2/08, jcgre <jcgre@...> wrote:

Bob- I agree, and this tone if awful. It got worse over there today. now he claims that he has filed a complaint with the DOT and wants to shut down sales of MMS. check it out:http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1100951#i

I don't have the time or energy to really try and figure out what he is saying, other than that activated MMS is allegedly far to powerful to consume, and could result in damage to red blood cells.

In my month of using MMS, I had some good results clearing the pomphylox on my hands. so I'm inclided to ignore the negativity. but, I sure don't like the tone of these posts.>> he can't spell or structure his writing worth a damn, so i would question> his claims of being whatever he claims to be. maybe just too lazy

to use> his ability (that he had to demonstrate throughout schooling) to communicate> clearly?> > if he's going to present arguments re specific numbers, ratios, etc, they> would be better presented in a way that doesn't require careful

scrutiny to> figure out what's being said.> > he might have some good points about the way MMS is used, but i can't tell> from what he's written so far. ideas are jumbled together and

around making> it just too hard clearly figure out what he's trying to say.> > > [ ] competitor bashes MMS as> > toxic.....> >> >> > this guy showed up on the curezone MMS forum yesterday with a range of> > accusations about the toxicity of MMS. it looks like he is a

> > competitor... claims that activated MMS is simply too strong to be> > safe. does anyone know the " backstory " here? is this guy just a> > fraud, or are these legitimate points?

> >> > http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1100601#i>

[Guest guest]

I for one have poor HCL [stomach acid] output. The activator is

necessary in order to rule out someone with this problem, or someone

with a non acidic stomach.

--- In , " polo " <dahart@...>

wrote:

>

> He sure brings up some interesting points which needs to be researched

> further. One point in particular has bothered me since I have read

Humble's

> books. Why does not the natural stomach acids activate sodium

chlorite to a

> large extent? Why does it need to be activated before consumption?

Anyone

> can explain that to me?

>

>

> doug

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

If you have poor stomach acid, how do you expect to digest all the

protein you eat? Perhaps you should take an acid supplement and also

practice proper food combining.

Are you getting any professional advice?

Dan

> >

> > He sure brings up some interesting points which needs to be

researched

> > further. One point in particular has bothered me since I have

read

> Humble's

> > books. Why does not the natural stomach acids activate sodium

> chlorite to a

> > large extent? Why does it need to be activated before consumption?

> Anyone

> > can explain that to me?

> >

> >

> > doug

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I take HCL. Some people say plant enzymes are the thing to take, not

HCL, but they started to give me loose bowels for some reason so I

stopped taking them. Some say take tons of HCL per meal, some say one

tablet per meal. I was told once that my pancreas is only working to

65%. Does that mean I should take pancreatin with meals?

I've tried food combining and didn't feel the effort was worth it. I

may possibly go back to it one day. I was on the Jack Tips Pro-Vita!

Plan before. My pH seems better balanced lately and it may be because

I've backed off fruit lately. Now I can eat mostly vegs with my animal

proteins instead of grains, which hinder mineral absorption.

What might help is if I could find a holistic MD that is familiar with

systemic bacterial infection in Knoxville, Asheville, Charlotte or

somewhere, because I'd bet money that's what I have. But MMS may do

more for it than they could do. IV h2o2 might help me.

I might get a NutrEval test done by Gevova [formerly Great Smokies DL]

one of these days. I have the kit and a Rx for it. It will cost quite

a bit but it's supposed to show a lot of good info on fatty acids,

amino acid balance, nutrient levels, digestion, etc. I've been

hesitant to spend the $$ but I think I ought to go ahead with it and

see what I can learn. Health isn't going to be presented to me on a

silver platter. I've got to spend more money.

Joe

>

> If you have poor stomach acid, how do you expect to digest all the

> protein you eat? Perhaps you should take an acid supplement and also

> practice proper food combining.

>

> Are you getting any professional advice?

>

> Dan

>

> --

[Guest guest]

Hi Joe,

I'm in the Charlotte area and you may want to check out a doc that I'm

seeing to determine if he might be helpful to you. He's a bona fide

MD, but uses an integrative approach. I've just recently come back to

him after getting fed up with mainstream docs who don't accept things

like adrenal exhaustion, systemic candiasis, etc.

Feel free to email me privately, if you want, and I'll be glad to give

you the particulars. I'm still kinda new to these groups, so I don't

want to post incorrectly!

blessings,

Joanna :-)

>

>

> What might help is if I could find a holistic MD that is familiar with

> systemic bacterial infection in Knoxville, Asheville, Charlotte or

> somewhere, because I'd bet money that's what I have. But MMS may do

> more for it than they could do.

[Guest guest]

Hi Joe

I, for decades, kept my salt intake low. I thought that was the thing to do.

And I had digestive problems and a minor level of depression etc. Then I

read that there were many reasons to have enough salt - to supply for

example enough sodium for the brain and for good strength of the cardiac and

other sphincter muscles, and chlorine for making HCl for the stomach. Then

my digestion and my hiatus hernia problem improved, and so too did my

ability to think and reason while stressed.

Dr Batmanghelidj MD explains 27 uses of salt in " WATER, for Health, for

Healing, for Life " - and much more.

Phil

In < > " tonytaptoe "

<joe525us@...> wrote

[ ] Re: competitor bashes MMS as toxic.....

" I take HCL. Some people say plant enzymes are the thing to take, not

HCL, but they started to give me loose bowels for some reason so I

stopped taking them. ...etc

Joe "

[Guest guest]

Well, that was fun!

I read that guy's rant, watched the youtube, and took some sugar and

put it in a tray, took it outside, added some MMS, and nothing

happened. It didn't even get warm. Then I came back and re read the

title of the youtube, that was sodium chlorAte, not sodium chlorIte.

HA HA!

Damn Fool!

Kathy

[Guest guest]

MMS works best on empty stomach. Empty stomach doesn't have HCL. HCL is

made when there is food to digest. True some people don't make enough,

I'm one of them. But that's beside the point.

When I ate potatoes right after taking MMS, I got sick and barfed.

However, I can eat an apple or other fruit right after taking it and no

problem.

Kathy

[Guest guest]

Hi Kat,

When I had the Heidelberg gastric analysis tests I was fasting and

swallowed a red capsule tied to a string. At that time my gastric pH

was acidic. Then they gave me baking soda and water to drink, which

raised the pH as we watched it vary on a device. In normal people, the

pH is supposed to return to acidic quickly. With me, it went back to

acidic soon after the first challenge, but the second drink it took a

real long time, indicating hypochlorhydria [low HCL output]. Some

people have Achlorhydria [no HCL output at all].

--- In , " Kat " <makiah@...>

wrote:

>

> MMS works best on empty stomach. Empty stomach doesn't have HCL. HCL is

> made when there is food to digest. True some people don't make enough,

> I'm one of them. But that's beside the point.

>

> When I ate potatoes right after taking MMS, I got sick and barfed.

> However, I can eat an apple or other fruit right after taking it and no

> problem.

>

> Kathy

>

[Guest guest]

The reason why JH recommends taking activated MMS could be so MMS goes

to work immediately after swallowing it. After a meal would IMHO, be a

time when the stomach isn't very acidic, because all the available HCL

was used for the meal, and with someone like me, that would probably

be all the HCL I could make.

Joe

--- In , " Kat " <makiah@...>

wrote:

>

> MMS works best on empty stomach. Empty stomach doesn't have HCL. HCL is

> made when there is food to digest. True some people don't make enough,

> I'm one of them. But that's beside the point.

>

> When I ate potatoes right after taking MMS, I got sick and barfed.

> However, I can eat an apple or other fruit right after taking it and no

> problem.

>

> Kathy

>

[Guest guest]

Ive been thinking about this too. Now my detail memory isnt so good

so I dont remember it was discussed in the book , but when we

activate the MMS there is that strong smell of chlorine that

surrounds it while activating. Does this mean that if MMS activates

in our stomachs that the toxic chlorine is then absorbed by our

bodies ?

But why then does JIM IV pure MMS? does the chlorine not get released

when it is directly into your bloodstream?

IN NC

-- In , " polo " <dahart@...>

wrote:

>

> He sure brings up some interesting points which needs to be

researched

> further. One point in particular has bothered me since I have read

Humble's

> books. Why does not the natural stomach acids activate sodium

chlorite to a

> large extent? Why does it need to be activated before consumption?

Anyone

> can explain that to me?

>

>

> doug

>

>

>

>

> [ ] competitor bashes MMS as

toxic.....

>

>

> > this guy showed up on the curezone MMS forum yesterday with a

range of

> > accusations about the toxicity of MMS. it looks like he is a

> > competitor... claims that activated MMS is simply too strong to be

> > safe. does anyone know the " backstory " here? is this guy just a

> > fraud, or are these legitimate points?

> >

> > http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1100601#i

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

the smell of chlorine dioxide is the same as that of elemental chlorine gas,

but the effects aren't the same. the chlorine dioxide gas is too harsh for

lung tissues, so don't inhale it. ozone is similar in that regard; great in

the body, tough on the lungs. IV ozone works great, but too much in the air

over time will damage the lungs, your furnishings, artwork, computers and

electronics....etc. oxidation is oxidation. rust is oxidation of iron.

fire is very rapid oxidation of organic materials.

> [ ] Re: competitor bashes MMS as

> toxic.....

>

>

> Ive been thinking about this too. Now my detail memory isnt so good

> so I dont remember it was discussed in the book , but when we

> activate the MMS there is that strong smell of chlorine that

> surrounds it while activating. Does this mean that if MMS activates

> in our stomachs that the toxic chlorine is then absorbed by our

> bodies ?

>

> But why then does JIM IV pure MMS? does the chlorine not get released

> when it is directly into your bloodstream?

> IN NC

[Guest guest]

Hi Joanna,

I forgot to mention that I see a holistic MD from Asheville NC.

She's the MD that wrote my Rx for the Genova tests. I drove there to

have an appt. with her last September and have been planning to get

the NutrEval test ever since. I probably ought to work with her some

more. I have to give her a chance. I have been helped by holistic MDs

before - male and female.

Thank you for your offer of info. Perhaps I'll get back to you if I

decide I need more help than this MD can give me.

Best health to you.

Joe

>

>

> Hi Joe,

>

> I'm in the Charlotte area and you may want to check out a doc that I'm

> seeing to determine if he might be helpful to you. He's a bona fide

> MD, but uses an integrative approach. I've just recently come back to

> him after getting fed up with mainstream docs who don't accept things

> like adrenal exhaustion, systemic candiasis, etc.

>

> Feel free to email me privately, if you want, and I'll be glad to give

> you the particulars. I'm still kinda new to these groups, so I don't

> want to post incorrectly!

>

> blessings,

> Joanna

[Guest guest]

All those posts appear to have been deleted now. I'm glad to see it.

Now that forum can get back to business as usual.

[Guest guest]

actually they just got moved to the debate forum. there was a new post

today that raised something that might be an interesting issue

regarding the temperature of water used. Poster claimed that using

warm water created a harmful sludge. as usual, I don't know what to

make of it:

http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1101165#i

>

> All those posts appear to have been deleted now. I'm glad to see it.

> Now that forum can get back to business as usual.

>

[Guest guest]

Hey Joe,

No problem...makes sense to keep on with the one you're seeing in

Asheville. Just FYI, this dr is in sville (NC), Dr.

Castilgia with Advanced Integrative Medicine.

I wish you best of health too!

Joanna :-)

> >

> >

> > Hi Joe,

> >

> > I'm in the Charlotte area and you may want to check out a doc

that I'm

> > seeing to determine if he might be helpful to you. He's a bona

fide

> > MD, but uses an integrative approach. I've just recently come

back to

> > him after getting fed up with mainstream docs who don't accept

things

> > like adrenal exhaustion, systemic candiasis, etc.

> >

> > Feel free to email me privately, if you want, and I'll be glad to

give

> > you the particulars. I'm still kinda new to these groups, so I

don't

> > want to post incorrectly!

> >

> > blessings,

> > Joanna

>

[Guest guest]

I have a little story to tell you about Sodium Chlorate. I worked most of my

life in Kraft Pulp mills and we made chlorine dioxide by the thousands of

gallons a day for bleaching pulp fibres. We mixed liquid Sodium Chlorate

(50% water) with Sulphuric Acid (98%) in a larger generator and bubbled

Sulphur Dioxide gas into/through the solution and Chlorine Dioxide gas was

given off and then dissolved in water to a 7% solution which was pumped to

the bleaching towers. Anyway, when we first started one of the few safety

indoctrinations we got was about the hazards of crystal(dry or powdered)

Sodium Chlorate.

A paper towel was saturated with 50% Chlorate and squeezed by hand and set

in a metal bucket to dry. When totally dry a few drops of 35% Sulphuric Acid

was tossed in the bucket. The resultant flash was like an old style camera

flash bulb going off in the pail. End result was that there was absolutely

nothing left except a slight whitish stain on the inside of the pail. The

warning was: Do not ever let any Sodium Chlorate dry on your clothes or

boots as it will only take a minute amount of any acidic solution or minute

static electricity spark to set it off. The scary part was we received the

Chlorate as a crystal granule in 50 ton railway cars and had to dissolve it

to unload it into the 50% storage tanks.

Cheers, Doug

[ ] Re: competitor bashes MMS as

toxic.....

Well, that was fun!

I read that guy's rant, watched the youtube, and took some sugar and

put it in a tray, took it outside, added some MMS, and nothing

happened. It didn't even get warm. Then I came back and re read the

title of the youtube, that was sodium chlorAte, not sodium chlorIte.

HA HA!

Damn Fool!

Kathy

[Guest guest]

Doug, do you mean sodium chlorite? You are saying sodium chlorate, but MMS is sodium chlorite. Perhaps you just spelled it wrong?

Samala,

-------Original Message-------

I have a little story to tell you about Sodium Chlorate.