Re: competitor bashes MMS as toxic.....

[Guest guest]

Was this before or after starting the mms? Hasn't it been claimed

that mms helps with stomach acidity and digestion all around?

greg

> >

> > MMS works best on empty stomach. Empty stomach doesn't have HCL.

HCL is

> > made when there is food to digest. True some people don't make

enough,

> > I'm one of them. But that's beside the point.

> >

> > When I ate potatoes right after taking MMS, I got sick and barfed.

> > However, I can eat an apple or other fruit right after taking it

and no

> > problem.

> >

> > Kathy

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Was this before or after starting the mms? Hasn't it been claimed

that mms helps with stomach acidity and digestion all around?

> >

> > MMS works best on empty stomach. Empty stomach doesn't have HCL.

HCL is

> > made when there is food to digest. True some people don't make

enough,

> > I'm one of them. But that's beside the point.

> >

> > When I ate potatoes right after taking MMS, I got sick and barfed.

> > However, I can eat an apple or other fruit right after taking it

and no

> > problem.

> >

> > Kathy

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, I am saying Sodium Chlorate.

I was responding to a comment about trying something like in a video but

there was no reaction. I did not see the video and it was mentioned that was

because they used Sodium Chlorate in the video, I immediately related to the

reaction in the video using Chlorate.

Cheers, Doug

Re: [ ] Re: competitor bashes MMS as

toxic.....

Doug, do you mean sodium chlorite? You are saying sodium chlorate, but MMS

is sodium chlorite. Perhaps you just spelled it wrong?

Samala,

-------Original Message-------

I have a little story to tell you about Sodium Chlorate.

[Guest guest]

Oh. Well, as we are not using sodium chlorate, which is what that guy kept talking about, his issues have no bearing on MMS.

Samala,

-------Original Message-------

Yes, I am saying Sodium Chlorate.

I was responding to a comment about trying something like in a video but

there was no reaction. I did not see the video and it was mentioned that was

because they used Sodium Chlorate in the video, I immediately related to the

reaction in the video using Chlorate.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Bob! in NCbob Larson <bobList@...> wrote: the smell of chlorine dioxide is the same as that of elemental chlorine gas,but the effects aren't the same. the chlorine dioxide gas is too harsh forlung tissues, so don't inhale it. ozone is similar in that regard; great inthe body, tough on the lungs. IV ozone works great, but too much in the airover time will damage the lungs, your furnishings, artwork, computers andelectronics....etc. oxidation is

oxidation. rust is oxidation of iron.fire is very rapid oxidation of organic materials.> [ ] Re: competitor bashes MMS as> toxic.....>>> Ive been thinking about this too. Now my detail memory isnt so good> so I dont remember it was discussed in the book , but when we> activate the MMS there is that strong smell of chlorine that> surrounds it

while activating. Does this mean that if MMS activates> in our stomachs that the toxic chlorine is then absorbed by our> bodies ?>> But why then does JIM IV pure MMS? does the chlorine not get released> when it is directly into your bloodstream?> IN NC Wilkins

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[Guest guest]

It's been a good 20 years since I had the HCL tests.

They say MMS may reverse low HCL. Time will tell.

Joe

>

> Was this before or after starting the mms? Hasn't it been claimed

> that mms helps with stomach acidity and digestion all around?

>

> --

[Guest guest]

no... he's talking about sodium chlorite, but pointed to a video about

chlorate.

Re: [ ] Re: competitor bashes MMS as

toxic.....

Oh. Well, as we are not using sodium chlorate, which is what that guy kept

talking about, his issues have no bearing on MMS.

Samala,

[Guest guest]

Good Lord Doug, it is a wonder your whole town did not blow up.

>

> I have a little story to tell you about Sodium Chlorate. I worked

most of my

> life in Kraft Pulp mills and we made chlorine dioxide by the

thousands of

> gallons a day for bleaching pulp fibres. We mixed liquid Sodium

Chlorate

> (50% water) with Sulphuric Acid (98%) in a larger generator and

bubbled

> Sulphur Dioxide gas into/through the solution and Chlorine Dioxide

gas was

> given off and then dissolved in water to a 7% solution which was

pumped to

> the bleaching towers. Anyway, when we first started one of the few

safety

> indoctrinations we got was about the hazards of crystal(dry or

powdered)

> Sodium Chlorate.

> A paper towel was saturated with 50% Chlorate and squeezed by hand

and set

> in a metal bucket to dry. When totally dry a few drops of 35%

Sulphuric Acid

> was tossed in the bucket. The resultant flash was like an old style

camera

> flash bulb going off in the pail. End result was that there was

absolutely

> nothing left except a slight whitish stain on the inside of the

pail. The

> warning was: Do not ever let any Sodium Chlorate dry on your

clothes or

> boots as it will only take a minute amount of any acidic solution

or minute

> static electricity spark to set it off. The scary part was we

received the

> Chlorate as a crystal granule in 50 ton railway cars and had to

dissolve it

> to unload it into the 50% storage tanks.

> Cheers, Doug

> [ ] Re: competitor bashes MMS as

> toxic.....

>

>

> Well, that was fun!

>

> I read that guy's rant, watched the youtube, and took some sugar and

> put it in a tray, took it outside, added some MMS, and nothing

> happened. It didn't even get warm. Then I came back and re read the

> title of the youtube, that was sodium chlorAte, not sodium chlorIte.

>

> HA HA!

>

> Damn Fool!

>

> Kathy

>

[Guest guest]

Jim wrote a reply to this guys arguments it explains about the HCL and

the strengths.

Dear Bruce,

Some of your figures are correct, but if you specialize in intervention

programs using chlorine dioxide and and acidified sodium chlorite

technologies, hopefully you will probably understand what I have to

say. I was a aerospace research engineer for 25 years before I went

into mining. In both avocations I worked with chlorine dioxide and

acidified sodium chlorite.

It’s a shame that people just start talking without engaging the brain,

which means one should study up on what he is talking about. It is very

important when something one says may prevent many people from using

the product and thus from recovering from a great deal of suffering. It

borders on the criminal. One really needs to know his subject. So far

you are about the 4th person to start talking with no data.

When adding 30 drops of 10% critric acid to 6 drops of 22.4% sodium

chlorite you have 51 milligrams of sodium chlorite in solution.

Admittedly that number of drops could produce around 12 milligrams of

chlorine dioxide, and would have a very high ppm in 36 drops of

solution, but when you diluted it out by adding juice to it the ppm

would be greatly reduced. And under no circumstances is the full 12

milligrams available to this solution.

BUT THE FACT IS, that is how much chlorine dioxide would be in the 36

drops if you could access all of the available chlorine, but you cannot

access it all. In fact, when using 30 drops of 10% citric acid the

total amount of chlorine available in 3 minutes is about 1 mg. Remember

we are talking about 36 total drops of liquid. It does not get much

stronger than this as the extra chlorine dioxide evaporates into the

air. So even if you let it set longer the chlorine dioxide does not

build up much. The citric acid is calculated to generate a certain

amount of chlorine dioxide (which is 1 mg). The minute you dilute by

adding the extra juice so you can drink it, the amount of chlorine

dioxide generated is about 1 mg per hour. And when that is diluted by

the body juices the amount of chlorine generated per hour is even less

than that.

Sodium chlorite has a particular characteristic that makes it very

useful. When it’s alkaline level is brought to an acid condition it

begins to release chlorine dioxide, but not all at once when using

citric acid. It releases it on a linear continuous basis for some time

depending upon the amount of acid added. This doesn’t happen when you

add enough HCl full strength to release all of the Chlorine dioxide

immediately.

Oh yes, I almost forgot, you mentioned the HCl acid of the stomach.

Then you jumped right to adding 18 drops of full strength HCl to 18

drops of MMS. Wow. So we go from using 10% citric acid to full strength

commercial HCl acid. A little difference, like about 1000 times more

acid strength in the HCl acid. AND, OF COURSE, IF YOU USE FULL STRENGTH

HCl ACID IT RELEASES MOST OF THE CHLORINE IMMEDIATELY. I’m not kidding

about the 1000 times difference in strength of acid of HCl acid and 10%

citric acid. So 10% citric acid simply doesn’t have the acid available

to release all the chlorine dioxide.

Now what happens when you put the MMS into the stomach with the diluted

MMS and citric acid where there is also HCl acid stomach acid? Guess

what, the HCl acid in the stomach is not full strength. It’s less than

5% strength. And then when that is added to the already diluted MMS

which is diluted first with citric acid, and then with juice or water,

there is no significant increase in the production of chlorine dioxide

in the stomach when it encounters stomach acid. Citric acid helps the

MMS not react to the stomach HCl acid. I’ve proven this in close to 100

tests in my lab.

Bruce the way you worded your objection you would have us believe that

you have full strength HCl acid in your stomach. If you did, you would

be dead. This is not data that is hard to understand. Most high school

chemistry class students can grasp it. Rats tooks 100 ppm everyday for

a year. That’s 10 time more than any human being ever gets even those

who take way more MMS than they should. The rat tests will be available

to read on my site in a few days. Anyone who overdoses will just throw

it up if they drink some water.

So far all those who started talking before they studied up, just went

away and we never hear from them again. My suggestion is that you

apologize. If makes one appear to be much more ethical than just going

away. And of course there are those who insist in the face of facts

that they are right, and thus succeed in fooling a few more people into

not doing something that will make them well. I apologize for being

hard on you, but I’m not going to take it back because there are people

who are hurt from this kind of data.

Jim Humble

[Guest guest]

well that settles that. and also it settles the question of why we

dont take unactivated MMS --- it just wont work. Thank You JIM

>

> Jim wrote a reply to this guys arguments it explains about the HCL

and

> the strengths.

>

> Dear Bruce,

>

> Some of your figures are correct, but if you specialize in

intervention

> programs using chlorine dioxide and and acidified sodium chlorite

> technologies, hopefully you will probably understand what I have to

say.

> I was a aerospace research engineer for 25 years before I went into

> mining. In both avocations I worked with chlorine dioxide and

acidified

> sodium chlorite.

>

> It's a shame that people just start talking without engaging the

brain,

> which means one should study up on what he is talking about. It is

very

> important when something one says may prevent many people from

using the

> product and thus from recovering from a great deal of suffering. It

> borders on the criminal. One really needs to know his subject. So

far

> you are about the 4th person to start talking with no data.

>

> When adding 30 drops of 10% critric acid to 6 drops of 22.4% sodium

> chlorite you have 51 milligrams of sodium chlorite in solution.

> Admittedly that number of drops could produce around 12 milligrams

of

> chlorine dioxide, and would have a very high ppm in 36 drops of

> solution, but when you diluted it out by adding juice to it the ppm

> would be greatly reduced. And under no circumstances is the full 12

> milligrams available to this solution.

>

> BUT THE FACT IS, that is how much chlorine dioxide would be in the

36

> drops if you could access all of the available chlorine, but you

cannot

> access it all. In fact, when using 30 drops of 10% citric acid the

total

> amount of chlorine available in 3 minutes is about 1 mg. Remember

we are

> talking about 36 total drops of liquid. It does not get much

stronger

> than this as the extra chlorine dioxide evaporates into the air. So

even

> if you let it set longer the chlorine dioxide does not build up

much.

> The citric acid is calculated to generate a certain amount of

chlorine

> dioxide (which is 1 mg). The minute you dilute by adding the extra

juice

> so you can drink it, the amount of chlorine dioxide generated is

about 1

> mg per hour. And when that is diluted by the body juices the amount

of

> chlorine generated per hour is even less than that.

>

> Sodium chlorite has a particular characteristic that makes it very

> useful. When it's alkaline level is brought to an acid condition it

> begins to release chlorine dioxide, but not all at once when using

> citric acid. It releases it on a linear continuous basis for some

time

> depending upon the amount of acid added. This doesn't happen when

you

> add enough HCl full strength to release all of the Chlorine dioxide

> immediately.

>

> Oh yes, I almost forgot, you mentioned the HCl acid of the stomach.

Then

> you jumped right to adding 18 drops of full strength HCl to 18

drops of

> MMS. Wow. So we go from using 10% citric acid to full strength

> commercial HCl acid. A little difference, like about 1000 times

more

> acid strength in the HCl acid. AND, OF COURSE, IF YOU USE FULL

STRENGTH

> HCl ACID IT RELEASES MOST OF THE CHLORINE IMMEDIATELY. I'm not

kidding

> about the 1000 times difference in strength of acid of HCl acid and

10%

> citric acid. So 10% citric acid simply doesn't have the acid

available

> to release all the chlorine dioxide.

>

> Now what happens when you put the MMS into the stomach with the

diluted

> MMS and citric acid where there is also HCl acid stomach acid?

Guess

> what, the HCl acid in the stomach is not full strength. It's less

than

> 5% strength. And then when that is added to the already diluted MMS

> which is diluted first with citric acid, and then with juice or

water,

> there is no significant increase in the production of chlorine

dioxide

> in the stomach when it encounters stomach acid. Citric acid helps

the

> MMS not react to the stomach HCl acid. I've proven this in close to

100

> tests in my lab.

>

> Bruce the way you worded your objection you would have us believe

that

> you have full strength HCl acid in your stomach. If you did, you

would

> be dead. This is not data that is hard to understand. Most high

school

> chemistry class students can grasp it. Rats tooks 100 ppm everyday

for a

> year. That's 10 time more than any human being ever gets even those

who

> take way more MMS than they should. The rat tests will be available

to

> read on my site in a few days. Anyone who overdoses will just throw

it

> up if they drink some water.

>

> So far all those who started talking before they studied up, just

went

> away and we never hear from them again. My suggestion is that you

> apologize. If makes one appear to be much more ethical than just

going

> away. And of course there are those who insist in the face of facts

that

> they are right, and thus succeed in fooling a few more people into

not

> doing something that will make them well. I apologize for being

hard on

> you, but I'm not going to take it back because there are people who

are

> hurt from this kind of data.

>

> Jim Humble

>

[Guest guest]

Funny, it works fine for me unactivated.

YMMV

Chuck

It's a small world, but I'd hate to have to paint it

On 2/4/2008 5:34:02 PM, lisamarie22@... wrote:

> well that settles that. and also it settles the question of why we

> dont take unactivated MMS --- it just wont work. Thank You JIM

>

>

> >

> > Jim wrote a reply to this guys arguments it explains about the HCL

> and

> > the strengths.

> >

> > Dear Bruce,

> >

> > Some of your figures are correct, but if you specialize in

> intervention

> > programs using chlorine dioxide and and acidified sodium chlorite

[Guest guest]

...that's too bad, because reliable sober competent help is hard to come by.

painting is the last refuge of the chronically unemployuable, according to

Dickens.

> -----Original Message-----

Chuck

> It's a small world, but I'd hate to have to paint it

[Guest guest]

Over the years there were some pretty scary incidents in all three Kraft

pulp mills that I worked in. The Chlorine dioxide generators were a hazard

in themselves in that they operated under a vacuum condition and anytime a

small air leak or a speck of rust managed to get into the gas being

generated they would literally ignite. All the generator discharge gas

piping was sections of Pyrex glass, compression fitted together as the only

metal that would stand up to the corrosion of chlorine dioxide was

lead.(Note: This was all 1950's technology) Not only the Chlorate situation

but with chlorine gas leaks and molten liquid sulphur leaks that caught fire

and the resulting sulphur dioxide gases. Also there was the ever present

danger of hydrogen sulphide gas generation if any acidic solution came in

contact with the cooking liquor on the floor or in the sewers. In addition

we also had lots of 50% hydrogen peroxide, 98% sulphuric acid,sodium

hydroxide, sodium hypo-chlorite to unload, store and distribute to the

various parts of the process. Most of the processes were open to the

atmosphere and very hot thus chemical vapour laden steam was ever present to

breathe. After 41 years in the mills and over 20 in these specific

operations I feel very fortunate to not have had any significant accidents

and to be able to say that I have no notable health problems. In those early

days OSHA or the like was never even dreamed of.

Cheers, Doug

[ ] Re: competitor bashes MMS as

> toxic.....

>

>

> Well, that was fun!

>

> I read that guy's rant, watched the youtube, and took some sugar and

> put it in a tray, took it outside, added some MMS, and nothing

> happened. It didn't even get warm. Then I came back and re read the

> title of the youtube, that was sodium chlorAte, not sodium chlorIte.

>

> HA HA!

>

> Damn Fool!

>

> Kathy

>

[Guest guest]

You know doug, if I ever found my self living close to a mill I would

move away. wow I am glad that you are not experiancesing issues from

this. what are your main issues that MMS is helping you with?

> >

> > I have a little story to tell you about Sodium Chlorate. I worked

> most of my

> > life in Kraft Pulp mills and we made chlorine dioxide by the

> thousands of

> > gallons a day for bleaching pulp fibres. We mixed liquid Sodium

> Chlorate

> > (50% water) with Sulphuric Acid (98%) in a larger generator and

> bubbled

> > Sulphur Dioxide gas into/through the solution and Chlorine Dioxide

> gas was

> > given off and then dissolved in water to a 7% solution which was

> pumped to

> > the bleaching towers. Anyway, when we first started one of the few

> safety

> > indoctrinations we got was about the hazards of crystal(dry or

> powdered)

> > Sodium Chlorate.

> > A paper towel was saturated with 50% Chlorate and squeezed by hand

> and set

> > in a metal bucket to dry. When totally dry a few drops of 35%

> Sulphuric Acid

> > was tossed in the bucket. The resultant flash was like an old

style

> camera

> > flash bulb going off in the pail. End result was that there was

> absolutely

> > nothing left except a slight whitish stain on the inside of the

> pail. The

> > warning was: Do not ever let any Sodium Chlorate dry on your

> clothes or

> > boots as it will only take a minute amount of any acidic solution

> or minute

> > static electricity spark to set it off. The scary part was we

> received the

> > Chlorate as a crystal granule in 50 ton railway cars and had to

> dissolve it

> > to unload it into the 50% storage tanks.

> > Cheers, Doug

> > [ ] Re: competitor bashes MMS as

> > toxic.....

> >

> >

> > Well, that was fun!

> >

> > I read that guy's rant, watched the youtube, and took some sugar

and

> > put it in a tray, took it outside, added some MMS, and nothing

> > happened. It didn't even get warm. Then I came back and re read

the

> > title of the youtube, that was sodium chlorAte, not sodium

chlorIte.

> >

> > HA HA!

> >

> > Damn Fool!

> >

> > Kathy

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I am not taking MMS. I came across it as I continue my re-education in

" Health,Nutrition, Herbal and Alternative Therapies " I have basically been

on this quest for 15 years but didn't realize it as such until about 10

years ago after I stopped drinking, after 31 years of much, much too much.

Stomach was starting to be quite sensitive. A signal that I recognized and

acted on.

Fortunately I have no significant health concerns at all. TOUCH WOOD! I am

slowly building a massive base of information in this effort and my policy

is to pass on any information that I have to anyone that may be able to

learn from it and hopefully improve their situation. At present all I have

is an alphabetical information base in My Documents.(nearly 5Gb) Much of it

is just postings from groups with anecdotal info but I think it is all

relevant in the long run. My ultimate aim is to edit it all down to the

essential data and be rid of all the crap.

Cheers, Doug

[ ] Re: competitor bashes MMS as

> > toxic.....

> >

> >

> > Well, that was fun!

> >

> > I read that guy's rant, watched the youtube, and took some sugar

and

> > put it in a tray, took it outside, added some MMS, and nothing

> > happened. It didn't even get warm. Then I came back and re read

the

> > title of the youtube, that was sodium chlorAte, not sodium

chlorIte.

> >

> > HA HA!

> >

> > Damn Fool!

> >

> > Kathy

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Should have read like this.

Cheers, Doug

I am not taking MMS. I came across it as I continue my re-education in

> " Health,Nutrition, Herbal and Alternative Therapies " . I have basically

> been

> on this quest for 15 years but didn't realize it as such until about 10

> years ago after I had stopped drinking(5 years earlier), after 31 years of

> much, much too much.

> Stomach was starting to be quite sensitive. A signal that I recognized and

> acted on. >SNIP

Re: [ ] Re: competitor bashes MMS as

toxic.....

>I am not taking MMS. I came across it as I continue my re-education in

> " Health,Nutrition, Herbal and Alternative Therapies " I have basically been

> on this quest for 15 years but didn't realize it as such until about 10

> years ago after I stopped drinking, after 31 years of much, much too much.

> Stomach was starting to be quite sensitive. A signal that I recognized and

> acted on.

> Fortunately I have no significant health concerns at all. TOUCH WOOD! I

> am

> slowly building a massive base of information in this effort and my policy

> is to pass on any information that I have to anyone that may be able to

> learn from it and hopefully improve their situation. At present all I have

> is an alphabetical information base in My Documents.(nearly 5Gb) Much of

> it

> is just postings from groups with anecdotal info but I think it is all

> relevant in the long run. My ultimate aim is to edit it all down to the

> essential data and be rid of all the crap.

> Cheers, Doug

>