questions...

October 2, 2004

> Update on us, I have stopped the 250mg, 3 days on 11 off

protocol. I appear to have back.

Congratulations , these are happy knews.

What is the TD TTDF? Were are the comments about it?

Thanks,

Raquel

October 6, 2004

> Update on us, I have stopped the 250mg, 3 days on 11 off protocol. I appear

to have back.

> I am going to attempt the smaller dose, frequent dosing of DMSA. I need a

schedule of how to do that and do I administer DMSA and ALA??

Either start with DMSA only a few times, or use both together from the

start.

Every 3 hours when you can, 4 when circumstances dictate (e.g. at

night).

3 on 11 off is fine.

> Also, what are you supplementing with while chelating that might be helpful.

Exactly the same stuff as you use when off cycle.

>Currently we are taking: coromega, theralac, b complex, kirkman's everyday,

calcuim powder, milk thistle, olive leaf extract, 5 htp, B-12 shots, topical

glutathione and magnesium from Kirkman's, amino acids, TMG, Zinc, and GSE. And a

partridge in a pear tree.

> There is a dr here in Texas running a chelation center who says NAC is VITAL

to recovery, any comments on this??

This is not correct.

>feelings? vibes??

This means he isn't capable of hearing what patients tell him or seeing

what they look like since it makes 33-50% of people worse, not better.

The reasons for this inability vary, a lot of times it is just a

holdover from medical school brainwashing.

> I am so glad to hear that TTFD isn't a good thing. I just had a horrible

feeling about it. I have had a tube for months and couldn't bring myself to put

it on Ry.

After that, continue to trust your intuition!

> Thank you all, parents, Dana and Andy, for the support and information.

> I am going to attempt this for Ry again with a better understanding.

> Robyn

> 's Momma

>

October 6, 2004

>

> > Update on us, I have stopped the 250mg, 3 days on 11 off

protocol. I appear to have back.

> > I am going to attempt the smaller dose, frequent dosing of DMSA.

I need a schedule of how to do that and do I administer DMSA and

ALA??

see:

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/Andy_dose_sched.html

good wishes,

Moria

December 7, 2005

Hello Dawn:

Exactly the same happened to me and it went on for years.

I was always doubting that my daughter really had AS. She is highly

intelligent and mature. On top of it, no health profesional ( we went to many)

could

even suggest that she could have AS. I did not even know the term. After months

of desperate research I found AS information. Even then I kept doubting, and

doctors would say that " it is a possibility " . She finally had a diagnosis

almost 2 years ago and the more I know about AS, I am more convinced that she

has

it. She did not have any manifestation of it until 2nd grade.

The only unusual event was that she taught herself to read

before turning 3. At that point she was very interested already in politics, and

different moral issues such as: abortion, birth control, premarital sex,

etc., of course 100% against it without exception.We did never talk about it at

home. I am sure she got the information from reading newspapers, books, and TV).

We were surprised and happy that she was so smart at 4, 5 years old. We did

not know then that there was more into it. She had 1 or 2 friends at school

and always wanted to play with one specific friend. The Principal noticed it and

the next year she made a point to place them in different sections.

My daughter was very sad the whole year. At that time (and this

went on for at least 4 years, gradually increasing) she was fixated in wearing

the same clothes, shoes, day after day, month after month, she almost did not

make eye contact, extremely disorganized, impossible to read handwriting,

very distracted and bored at school. At some point her 3rd grade teacher

mentioned to me that my daughter spoke aloud in the classroom while taking a

test

saying to herself that the test questions were " such stupid questions " . It seems

she did not realized that people were listening to what she was saying to

herself. She did not misbehave but she did not do homework, forgot books,

notebooks etc., and some teachers started to dislike her (she had several silent

power struggles with the Principal who took her out of the classroon on several

occassions because she did not report to her before going to the classroom. I

think the Principal wanted to check if she had done all her homework ). My

daughter was embarrassed to be singled out but I was not informed of any of

this.

She is still very reserved. She was becoming so sad and depressed.

The only friend she had since kindergarted started to avoid her. I

could tell his mother did tell him not to play with her any more ( she used to

go and play at this house, and maybe this was the only normal behaviour she

exhibited at that time) I guess the people at school were already talking about

my daughter wearing same clothes and shoes day after day. I had to wash daily

the only attire she accepted to wear. She did not say anything to me, and was

becoming very depressed. Her conduct became even more rigid with the puberty

stage (10 years old). She is almost 15 now, she has learned to manage some of

her issues but she still struggles with her handwriting and organization skills.

She was taking prozac for months, but now she has stopped taking it and her

rigid thoughts came back. The good part is that she is understanding somehow

that she has to keep control as much as possible. Her temper is also an issue

and we all take things day by day as they come. In sum: AS has many shades,

not all Aspies have the same level of behavior. My daughter has also found God

in her life. It was her own journey, and her faith is helping her to find her

inner peace. This was an amazing experience for us because we are not a

particularly religious family. This is so exhausting and I think I am the only

one

who can understand my daughter in our family. My husband still cannot quite

understand what is going on with our child. However, no matter how much

suffering we might experience, and how exhausted I am every day, I will always

thank

God for having her.

Ana

December 7, 2005

Dawn - I have to say that my 6 year old daughter is very similar to your

son. She will have good days that can stretch for several days to almost a

week and a half, then I will second guess the diagnosis, then she will have

a typical AS moment. This may be a common cycle with AS, not sure.

She will spend hours in bed at night writing numbers, stories, pictures,

etc.

She is also obsessed with clocks and calendars, but not to the point where

they bother her.

Vicki in NY

( ) Questions...

Hello! Usually I read and learn but I actually have a couple questions

today.

First question is this... My DS is very high functioning. Sometimes we

have good days that can stretch days...or weeks. I was wondering, is

anyone in the same boat that you forget or second guess your diagnosis?

When I find

myself doing that..BAM...an AS moment happens and I say ah HA! Just

wondering if anyone else has the same thing happening.

Secondly...my sons newest obsession is clocks and time. He is also

obsessed with numbers... " coloring " for him is writing his numbers to 100

(He is newly 5 yrs old.) I asked him why he keeps looking at the clocks

and if they bother him...he says they do. When asked if it would make him

feel better if I turned them off he said yes. So I am not sure what to do.

I have covered up or turned off the kitchen clocks but I am wondering if

anyone else has a child that shares this obsession?

Thanks in advance for your help, I appreciate it.

~ Dawn

December 7, 2005

Hi. My son is 14 and also high functioning. Even though I knew he

had AS long before he was formally diagnosed, I still have moments

when I question and second guess his diagnosis -- and just as you

described, there's always an AS moment that will remind me that the

diagnosis was absolutely on target.

Clocks and time have been an obsession for him for quite some time.

In fact, he was just complaining the night before last that he

couldn't get to sleep because he felt compelled to get up to check

the time every few minutes. (He has been diagnosed with OCD as well

as AS and a few other things.) He was very much like your son when

he was younger -- very interested in numbers, counting them, writing

them out, etc... Now that he's older, this obsession/compulsion

comes and goes. We won't hear about it for awhile and then suddenly,

he's constantly telling us what time it is, especially if there is

something interesting about the # pattern -- 12:34, 10:10, 5:55,

etc. As he does his homework, he will also check the clock

constantly and write the times down at the top of his paper. When

he's in " clock checking mode " , he gets very frustrated. Sometimes it

helps him to cover up the clocks, other times, it frustrates him more

if he can't see them. We just try to go with his flow and do what

makes him feel better at the time.

>

> Hello! Usually I read and learn but I actually have a couple

questions

> today.

> First question is this... My DS is very high functioning.

Sometimes we

> have good days that can stretch days...or weeks. I was wondering,

is anyone

> in the same boat that you forget or second guess your diagnosis?

When I find

> myself doing that..BAM...an AS moment happens and I say ah HA!

Just

> wondering if anyone else has the same thing happening.

> Secondly...my sons newest obsession is clocks and time. He is

also

> obsessed with numbers... " coloring " for him is writing his numbers

to 100 (He is

> newly 5 yrs old.) I asked him why he keeps looking at the clocks

and if they

> bother him...he says they do. When asked if it would make him

feel better if

> I turned them off he said yes. So I am not sure what to do. I

have covered

> up or turned off the kitchen clocks but I am wondering if anyone

else has a

> child that shares this obsession?

> Thanks in advance for your help, I appreciate it.

>

> ~ Dawn

>

December 8, 2005

Timers were one of my son's issues. He was unable to focus on

anything else but 'the countdown' for quite awhile. Like most

things 'autistic', he moved on to something else.

My only suggestion to you is that instead of you turning the clocks

off or blocking them, that you encourage your son to come up with

strategies to protect himself. Since clocks are everywhere, it is

better for him to learn how to accomodate himself versus needing

adults to intervene and cover the clocks up.

Blinking lights bothered my son (that one lasted for a year), and I

encouraged Ethan to move his chair and turn his back on the light.

This helped him realize that he could do things to control his own

stimulation. Over time, he just seemed to get 'over it', and I

really did not have to do anything.

And yes, Ethan is high functioning enough that it is difficult to

discern he has autism. Then, things like this morning make it all

clear....he asked my other son why he had to turn a card at school.

My other son, , said it was because he cut his name off the

paper, and the teacher got mad. Ethan asked if it was an accident.

said yes. Ethan got indignant (and red faced and almost

crying) and said he (Ethan) would have to have a talk with THAT

teacher about how she should not have made him turn a card over

something that was accident - she should know better. The son this

happened to was not upset at all by having to turn a card, by the

way.

>

> Hello! Usually I read and learn but I actually have a couple

questions

> today.

> First question is this... My DS is very high functioning.

Sometimes we

> have good days that can stretch days...or weeks. I was wondering,

is anyone

> in the same boat that you forget or second guess your diagnosis?

When I find

> myself doing that..BAM...an AS moment happens and I say ah HA!

Just

> wondering if anyone else has the same thing happening.

> Secondly...my sons newest obsession is clocks and time. He is

also

> obsessed with numbers... " coloring " for him is writing his numbers

to 100 (He is

> newly 5 yrs old.) I asked him why he keeps looking at the clocks

and if they

> bother him...he says they do. When asked if it would make him

feel better if

> I turned them off he said yes. So I am not sure what to do. I

have covered

> up or turned off the kitchen clocks but I am wondering if anyone

else has a

> child that shares this obsession?

> Thanks in advance for your help, I appreciate it.

>

> ~ Dawn

>

December 8, 2005

In a message dated 12/08/05 5:02:37 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,

e.wiesman@... writes:

We won't hear about it for awhile and then suddenly,

he's constantly telling us what time it is, especially if there is

something interesting about the # pattern -- 12:34, 10:10, 5:55,

etc.

YES! He is all about patterns etc. I never though about OCD and my DS

before though. What tipped you off about that dx in your son? Wow...thank you

for sharing your happenings with your son!

~ Dawn

December 8, 2005

Ana's Mother,

My 11 y/o AS son sounds similar to your daughter. He also taught

himself to read by 3 y/o and taught himself another language by 4. He always

had a huge vocabulary, loved to read scientific manuals, & loved science, math,

& politics. He loved school, did very well, & was very moral & spiritual. His

biggest problems appeared to be his hyperactivity & his explosive anger at

times.

He gets along great with adults (including teachers), olders kids, & younger

kids, but not his peers.

After several diagnoses & countless medications he was just recently

diagnosed with AS. He has all the signs of an AS child but I had no idea. He

is clumsy, his handwriting is terrible, he even has trouble cutting his own meat

at dinner, he is extremely disorganized, he fixates on things, he speaks very

loudly, speaks out of turn & often blurts things out or interupts, everything is

about him, he cannot get along with his peers at all, he has trouble working in

groups, he fidgits & paces & has trouble sitting still, etc.

I wish we would have caught it earlier because he has had some really

hard times due to it & we also could have been working with him. He was so

smart & did so well in school that it was hard to tell that he had this kind of

problem. Anyway, he is a unique child & really fun to be around & I'm his

biggest fan. His dad doesn't have the patience for him many times or doesn't

understand him, so it feels like it is just Josh & me against the world. But we

have picked up some great supporters along the way & I call them Josh's angels.

Thanks for sharing your story.

Alli

> From: ACuitino@...

> Date: 2005/12/07 Wed PM 07:00:04 EST

>

> Subject: Re: ( ) Questions...

>

December 8, 2005

Dear Ally,

It is amazing to see that I am not alone with this As

child. I thought for a long time that my daughter's case was such an unique

mystery

and curse at the same time. She was so bright and Autism was not even a

possibility in her case. I did not know about AS as a kind of Autism. Sometimes

we

believe that vaccines could play a part on this. Our child did not get most

of her shots until she had to start school at 5 yrs. old. Before that we did

not see any specific worrisome conduct. She just was a little shy and extremely

bright for her age. My husband had a hard time understanding AS and I would

say he still does not understand that our child is not to blame for some

conducts. The good part is that when I found AS info he felt kind of guilty of

having lost his temper with her several times. They both had many screaming

matches

in the past, and no matter what he said my daughter would not do what he

wanted her to do. Almost every morning is still torture. I have her up by 6:20

am,

and she is not ready to leave home before 7:40 am. Since she stopped her

medication (prozac) I cannot persuaded her to go to bed on time. Many times she

is

still reading at 1 o'clock in the morning and if I interrupt her she gets

upset. She tells me to need her relaxation time before going to sleep. To get

dressed for school takes her for ever and the more I ask her to hurry the worse

it is. I feel so exhausted all the time but this is worse in the morning. I

hate to be late for anything. I have to work long hours, maybe this is part of

the problem. I wish I could be at home early but this is not an option right

now. Besides, she always tell me not to stop working because she feels proud of

me (Honestly, I would feel proud if I could stay home). Well, I do not know

what the future will be for my daughter. I hope she may have the tools to live a

normal life. Everyday is such an adventure for us.

Thank you for being here.

Ana

December 8, 2005

Hi Dawn -

I'm new to the group and I have to also say that my 5 year old boy

does very similar things. It's annoyingly repeatitive but that's how

they " get it " and eventually move on. Not to say that they won't go

back to what has interested them in the past. My son was very

obsessed with opening and shutting doors and turning the lights on

and off. We had to apply some discpline, rules if you will, and

after several long weeks the obsession ceased. Every now and then he

will go back and test the waters to see if the rules still apply.

That's when it's time for a deep breath and to tell yourself, " I'll

get through this. " Hang in there!!

mom to

>

> Dawn - I have to say that my 6 year old daughter is very similar to

your

> son. She will have good days that can stretch for several days to

almost a

> week and a half, then I will second guess the diagnosis, then she

will have

> a typical AS moment. This may be a common cycle with AS, not sure.

> She will spend hours in bed at night writing numbers, stories,

pictures,

> etc.

> She is also obsessed with clocks and calendars, but not to the

point where

> they bother her.

> Vicki in NY

>

> ( ) Questions...

>

> Hello! Usually I read and learn but I actually have a couple

questions

> today.

> First question is this... My DS is very high functioning.

Sometimes we

> have good days that can stretch days...or weeks. I was wondering,

is

> anyone in the same boat that you forget or second guess your

diagnosis?

> When I find

> myself doing that..BAM...an AS moment happens and I say ah HA!

Just

> wondering if anyone else has the same thing happening.

> Secondly...my sons newest obsession is clocks and time. He is

also

> obsessed with numbers... " coloring " for him is writing his numbers

to 100

> (He is newly 5 yrs old.) I asked him why he keeps looking at the

clocks

> and if they bother him...he says they do. When asked if it would

make him

> feel better if I turned them off he said yes. So I am not sure

what to do.

> I have covered up or turned off the kitchen clocks but I am

wondering if

> anyone else has a child that shares this obsession?

> Thanks in advance for your help, I appreciate it.

>

> ~ Dawn

>

December 8, 2005

You're welcome, Dawn. I hope I didn't give the impression that I was

suggesting that your son may have OCD, though -- it just turned out

that my son does have it and the time checking and counting are two of

the ways that it manifests itself in my son.

As far as what tipped us off to his OCD......he became increasingly

upset about not being able to stop the time checking and counting. We

thought he was doing it because he enjoyed doing it. We hadn't

realized that he did it because he couldn't stop doing it. About the

time he started to become upset by that behavior, we realized he had

developed hoarding behavior. He has a really hard time throwing things

out - even things like price tags on new clothes, preschool toys he's

long since grown out of, fast food bags.... We put that together with

his need to check the temperature gauge before going outside. (Doesn't

matter if the school bus is coming down the road or we're running late

for an appointment, he has to stop to check the temp.) He also has to

watch out the hall window as any who has visited us leaves. He can't

leave the window until he sees the tail lights of the car disappear. (I

know there were additional behaviors along those lines as well, but

they aren't coming to mind at the moment.) Anyway, after speaking to

his psychiatrist about it, it was confirmed that he has OCD. Hope that

helps!

Take care,

Liz

>

> YES! He is all about patterns etc. I never though about OCD and my

DS

> before though. What tipped you off about that dx in your son?

Wow...thank you

> for sharing your happenings with your son!

> ~ Dawn

>

December 12, 2005

My son goes through phases with his obsessions with clocks...or tornadoes,

hurricanes, cars, trucks, tires, ETC. He doesn't seem bothered by the clocks

though...just obsessed and fascinated...always wanting to know the time.

I love what you said about thinking that during different phases the DX was

wrong...until you see an AS moment!!! I completely understand this ...I am

going through the same thing!!.

LJL <laura6307@...> wrote:

Timers were one of my son's issues. He was unable to focus on

anything else but 'the countdown' for quite awhile. Like most

things 'autistic', he moved on to something else.

My only suggestion to you is that instead of you turning the clocks

off or blocking them, that you encourage your son to come up with

strategies to protect himself. Since clocks are everywhere, it is

better for him to learn how to accomodate himself versus needing

adults to intervene and cover the clocks up.

Blinking lights bothered my son (that one lasted for a year), and I

encouraged Ethan to move his chair and turn his back on the light.

This helped him realize that he could do things to control his own

stimulation. Over time, he just seemed to get 'over it', and I

really did not have to do anything.

And yes, Ethan is high functioning enough that it is difficult to

discern he has autism. Then, things like this morning make it all

clear....he asked my other son why he had to turn a card at school.

My other son, , said it was because he cut his name off the

paper, and the teacher got mad. Ethan asked if it was an accident.

said yes. Ethan got indignant (and red faced and almost

crying) and said he (Ethan) would have to have a talk with THAT

teacher about how she should not have made him turn a card over

something that was accident - she should know better. The son this

happened to was not upset at all by having to turn a card, by the

way.

>

> Hello! Usually I read and learn but I actually have a couple

questions

> today.

> First question is this... My DS is very high functioning.

Sometimes we

> have good days that can stretch days...or weeks. I was wondering,

is anyone

> in the same boat that you forget or second guess your diagnosis?

When I find

> myself doing that..BAM...an AS moment happens and I say ah HA!

Just

> wondering if anyone else has the same thing happening.

> Secondly...my sons newest obsession is clocks and time. He is

also

> obsessed with numbers... " coloring " for him is writing his numbers

to 100 (He is

> newly 5 yrs old.) I asked him why he keeps looking at the clocks

and if they

> bother him...he says they do. When asked if it would make him

feel better if

> I turned them off he said yes. So I am not sure what to do. I

have covered

> up or turned off the kitchen clocks but I am wondering if anyone

else has a

> child that shares this obsession?

> Thanks in advance for your help, I appreciate it.

>

> ~ Dawn

>

August 1, 2006

Hi Debbie,

According to the book Feelings Buried Alive Never Die... by Karol

Truman, emotions connected to nail biting are:

Unfulfilled desires

Feeling spiteful toward parents

Feelings of frustration

and Nerves:

Influenced by thoughts and feelings

How the body communicates within

Holding onto things or people of the past that need releasing

Need to be congruent in your communication with self

Nervousness:

Inability to communicate feelings adequately

Fear of the future

Feeings of anxiety

Confused thinking

I also wonder if you have dry eyes because I feel the need to also

list the feelings associated with dry eyes, which are:

Unable to express grief

Feelings turned off

Incorrect perception from early years keeping tears from flowing

(Wow when I looked up that, I saw so much of what you described in

your note.)

Anyway, perhaps you should try tapping on those things and see if you

find things changing for you.

Kat

August 9, 2007

hi there! my ped told 4mos to wait till Cassidy was 6 mos before going

in to see the DOC people. I waited till 5 and it had dramatically

worsened. From my personal experience I wouldn't wait, it doesn't

always repair itself. Go see the specialists and see what they say.

They will give your baby a measurement of the amount of asymmetry of

the childs head/face, 0-3mm being the normal range. Then you and your

pediatrician can make a decision. But don't wait! The earlier your

child is diagnosed, the greater success the band will have in

reshaping your child's head.

le

Cassidy 5 1/2 mos old, 21mm

August 9, 2007

Welcome! Like you many parents have been told that the head will round out on its own. I wasn't willing to wait and see becuase by the time we would realize that it didn't it would have been too late to do anything about it.

If you are wanting measurments you can can go to a band provider - I know that Cranial Tech does evaluations for free - Get and eval and get the numbers. You can then take that to the ped to get a prescription. You can also try seeing a craniofacial dr. They write scripts for the bands too.

Also, look in the files section to read up on repoing.

HTH!

Jen and Luli - 20 months

Left tort - Right Plagio - Hanger Band Grad - CA

http://www.babiesonline.com/babies/j/jens5th/

Questions...

Hey! I am new to this group - and I am worried about my 4 1/2 month old

son's plagio...the back of his head is moderatly flat - my ped told me

it'll fix itself - I'm not buying this! You talk about dimensions (21mm

or 8mm) what does this mean? Can I measure his head myself? What repo

things can I do? I carry him around ALOT - I think he's gotten this

from back sleeping - can I use a memory foam pillow for him? Has this

worked for anyone? What about a noggin nest (for car seats) but make it

work for him in the crib? When does a head start "reshaping" itself?

I'm confused! Thanks for any help that anyone can offer!

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August 10, 2007

Thank you so very much for your input - it helps - ALOT! One last question - does the band/helmet just aleivate pressure from the flat spot - or does it also put alittle pressure on other areas of the head to kind of "push" together the flat spot? Thanks again - & I am going full tilt on the repo-ing at nite PLUS going to my ped for a referral to a cranial tech -- thank you again!!!!JenandLuli@... wrote: Welcome! Like you many parents have been told that the head will round out on its own. I wasn't willing

to wait and see becuase by the time we would realize that it didn't it would have been too late to do anything about it. If you are wanting measurments you can can go to a band provider - I know that Cranial Tech does evaluations for free - Get and eval and get the numbers. You can then take that to the ped to get a prescription. You can also try seeing a craniofacial dr. They write scripts for the bands too.Also, look in the files section to read up on repoing.HTH! Jen and Luli - 20 monthsLeft tort - Right Plagio - Hanger Band Grad - CAhttp://www.babiesonline.com/babies/j/jens5th/ Questions... Hey! I am new to this group - and I am worried about my 4 1/2 month old son's plagio...the back of his head is moderatly flat - my ped told me it'll fix itself - I'm not buying this! You talk about dimensions (21mm or 8mm) what does this mean? Can I measure his head myself? What repo things can I do? I carry him around ALOT - I think he's gotten this from back sleeping - can I use a memory foam pillow for him? Has this worked for anyone? What about a noggin nest (for car seats) but make it work for him in the crib? When does a head start "reshaping" itself? I'm confused! Thanks for any help that anyone can offer! AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.

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September 13, 2007

Read the Late Talker and Fish Oil Folder. Those should cover most of

what your questions are.

Tonya wrote:

> I have been lurking and reading and I am very confused. My son,

> , is 4 years 10 months old and was seeing s SLP for 2.5 years.

> He is now in pre k and I have our first meeting towards his IEp on

> the 18th. I know the process I went threw it with my oldest. Is there

> anything specific I need to be asking for besides 1-1 theropy? Also,

> you have all talked about suppliments for your children. What is this

> for? My son was just dignosed with apraxia of speech in august,

> before that he was just seeing the slp for what we thought was a

> traditional articulation disorder. I know very little about the

> apraxia. I am searching the internet and also purchased Later Talkers

> book on recommondation form a member here. The SLP he was seeing has

> relocated over seas so I can not contact them. Can anyone help

> alittle while I am on my search? Most thing the suppliments.

>

> Thank you

>

> Tonya

> Mom to

> 14 (bipolar)

> 4

> 4 (apraxia of speech)

>

September 16, 2007

I have looked and can not find them, could you send a link please? Thank

you.

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Liz

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