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Ballady, hepatitis c does the same with regard to stress. I'm doing great one day, and spiral the next at times. http://Null.com states that our singular cells have a memory, so that even if we overcome chronic infection, they can react in the same way if reminded of a threat. I mentioned earlier that I was exposed to lead-paint dust and had a headache all week- well, I had another incident where the threat of exposure was real, and instantly my headache turned on like a switch. I am not giving up on this, because I get relief, so it must work.

[ ] MMS and Lyme

Although certainly not completely cured of Lyme, I thought I hadturned a corner with it using MMS. I thought that my immune system hadbeen strengthened from its effects. But a few days ago I had a verystressful event occur and down I went in that all too familiar Lymeflare that accompanies stress. Then I thought I might come back upfrom it more quickly, but it's day four and I am still mightily ill. Idon't mean to be a naysayer, just reporting my reality. This doesn'tmean that I'm giving up on MMS either, more that I'm disappointed thatLyme is still so dang alive and kicking! Still, I'm not ungrateful forsmall mercies, respites and such that I have experienced with MMS. Assomeone said in an earlier post, we are still in the experimentalstage. Time will tell, and I'm willing to give it that time.Ballady

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I would think that EFT might work in these cases. Would teach the body a new response.

Samala,

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I mentioned earlier that I was exposed to lead-paint dust and had a headache all week- well, I had another incident where the threat of exposure was real, and instantly my headache turned on like a switch. I am not giving up on this, because I get relief, so it must work.

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Ballady,

How long had you been doing the salt/c before the MMS? I apologize if you have probably mentioned this before, but I can't remember.

-- [ ] MMS and Lyme

Although certainly not completely cured of Lyme, I thought I had

turned a corner with it using MMS. I thought that my immune system had

been strengthened from its effects. But a few days ago I had a very

stressful event occur and down I went in that all too familiar Lyme

flare that accompanies stress. Then I thought I might come back up

from it more quickly, but it's day four and I am still mightily ill. I

don't mean to be a naysayer, just reporting my reality. This doesn't

mean that I'm giving up on MMS either, more that I'm disappointed that

Lyme is still so dang alive and kicking! Still, I'm not ungrateful for

small mercies, respites and such that I have experienced with MMS. As

someone said in an earlier post, we are still in the experimental

stage. Time will tell, and I'm willing to give it that time.

Ballady

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You know, I honestly cannot remember when I started salt/c but I think

it was about 2 years ago

Ballady

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> Ballady,

>

> How long had you been doing the salt/c before the MMS? I

apologize if

> you have probably mentioned this before, but I can't remember.

>

>

>

> -- [ ] MMS and Lyme

>

> Although certainly not completely cured of Lyme, I thought I had

> turned a corner with it using MMS. I thought that my immune system had

> been strengthened from its effects. But a few days ago I had a very

> stressful event occur and down I went in that all too familiar Lyme

> flare that accompanies stress. Then I thought I might come back up

> from it more quickly, but it's day four and I am still mightily ill. I

> don't mean to be a naysayer, just reporting my reality. This doesn't

> mean that I'm giving up on MMS either, more that I'm disappointed that

> Lyme is still so dang alive and kicking! Still, I'm not ungrateful for

> small mercies, respites and such that I have experienced with MMS. As

> someone said in an earlier post, we are still in the experimental

> stage. Time will tell, and I'm willing to give it that time.

>

> Ballady

>

>

>

>

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Ballady,Have you continued the salt/c while on the MMS? I backed way down and now my joint pain is back so am going back up again. Damn Lyme.Sue~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Please join Lyme Aware on facebook athttp://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=4960726826

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Hi Ballady,

Do you think the MMS is causing you problems or just not working?

Olive

>

> Although certainly not completely cured of Lyme, I thought I had

> turned a corner with it using MMS. I thought that my immune system had

> been strengthened from its effects. But a few days ago I had a very

> stressful event occur and down I went in that all too familiar Lyme

> flare that accompanies stress. Then I thought I might come back up

> from it more quickly, but it's day four and I am still mightily ill. I

> don't mean to be a naysayer, just reporting my reality. This doesn't

> mean that I'm giving up on MMS either, more that I'm disappointed that

> Lyme is still so dang alive and kicking! Still, I'm not ungrateful for

> small mercies, respites and such that I have experienced with MMS. As

> someone said in an earlier post, we are still in the experimental

> stage. Time will tell, and I'm willing to give it that time.

>

> Ballady

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Hi Meredith, Sue, Olive,

I was doing great on MMS and I truly thought I had turned a corner

with LD. I was even going back to the gym twice a week, which is

miraculous, considering that every time I had tried just a 10 minute

session (in the past umpteen years) I would end up " down " for weeks,

months. I finally gave up on it.

I think what happened with the MMS is that I got a little too

" gung-ho " and instead of increasing daily by one drop, one day I

increased by 3 drops instead. I had violent retching, vomiting,

diarrhea and was in bed for days after. Although I began to feel

somewhat better, I still don't think I've completely receuped from

that event, which probably adversely affected my electrolyte balance

as well as other things, I imagine.

I read here that others have experienced something similar to this.

Maybe eventually I will be able to resume taking MMS, but it

definitely feels like a " No " right now. The last few times I've taken

it (even in miniscule doses) was against my intuition (cowboy up! you

know)with the result that I experienced it as something toxic, not

healing, to my system. I know this might be regarded by some MMS users

as part and parcel of the MMS protocol, but the messages from my body,

and then the validation through pendulum testing, convinced me it was

time to stop.

I think MMS is extremely powerful stuff and necessitates going slow,

especially for Lymies, even if reading that others here are able to do

otherwise. And I'm certainly not suggesting that we are more ill than

other folks, but I can only speak to the condition I know about

firsthand - though my own body and communication through the years

with you all and our other buddies on LS. Saying this, I will be

delighted if MMS works well for you all!

Ballady

> >

> > Although certainly not completely cured of Lyme, I thought I had

> > turned a corner with it using MMS. I thought that my immune system had

> > been strengthened from its effects. But a few days ago I had a very

> > stressful event occur and down I went in that all too familiar Lyme

> > flare that accompanies stress. Then I thought I might come back up

> > from it more quickly, but it's day four and I am still mightily ill. I

> > don't mean to be a naysayer, just reporting my reality. This doesn't

> > mean that I'm giving up on MMS either, more that I'm disappointed that

> > Lyme is still so dang alive and kicking! Still, I'm not ungrateful for

> > small mercies, respites and such that I have experienced with MMS. As

> > someone said in an earlier post, we are still in the experimental

> > stage. Time will tell, and I'm willing to give it that time.

> >

> > Ballady

> >

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Ballady,

I'm so sorry at this turn of events for you but thank you for sharing

your experience and warning about ramping up too fast. I do hope that

if you do not return to MMS that you at least find something else that

can kill this wretched bacteria. And who knows, maybe with enough time

to normalize you may be able to go back to MMS.

Please keep us posted.

Olive

> > >

> > > Although certainly not completely cured of Lyme, I thought I had

> > > turned a corner with it using MMS. I thought that my immune

system had

> > > been strengthened from its effects. But a few days ago I had a very

> > > stressful event occur and down I went in that all too familiar Lyme

> > > flare that accompanies stress. Then I thought I might come back up

> > > from it more quickly, but it's day four and I am still mightily

ill. I

> > > don't mean to be a naysayer, just reporting my reality. This doesn't

> > > mean that I'm giving up on MMS either, more that I'm

disappointed that

> > > Lyme is still so dang alive and kicking! Still, I'm not

ungrateful for

> > > small mercies, respites and such that I have experienced with

MMS. As

> > > someone said in an earlier post, we are still in the experimental

> > > stage. Time will tell, and I'm willing to give it that time.

> > >

> > > Ballady

> > >

> >

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Ballady,

I just wanted to say that I had a bad reaction like you and backed off

MMS for about 2 weeks? It was really hard starting back up. I took

only a drop a day for 2 weeks. I have since increased to 4 or 5 per

dose (only once at night) over the last few days with no ill effects.

Remember some of these pathogens can influence our minds. They want

to live and can convince you to resist treatment. It has been shown

that certain parasites can make this happen.

I know I like to trust my intuition too but it is not always 100%.

Best to you in your recovery.

Jill

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Ballady,

dont be discourged. this has happened to me also. this is why our

experiance is cool. you remember on the board when differant ones

were expressing there concern about if MMS would be recognized by the

lyme spirocete like ABX is? And since we dont want Lyme to go into

cyst form where it can hide this is a valid concern.

well you and I have proven that it does not.

If you have been taking MMS on a daily basis like I have you probably

have experienced a very nice improvement. so understandably it is

depressing to have a set back to what might seem like the begining.

but remember that lyme will do that, i mean it will try to advance

when the body has a stressfull event which lowers the immune system.

It wount do that when a person is on ABX because it recognizes the

danger ( thus it hides and a person seems to get better because they

do not have these setbacks while on ABX, that is until they have to

go off ABX ).

IF IT IS TRYING TO ADVANCE AFTER A STRESSFULL EVENT DURING YOUR

USAGE OF MMS IT IS PROOF THAT IS JUST AS JIM HUMBLE SAYS---IT DOES

NOT RECOGNIZE IT AS A THREAT.

Remember Jim did say 'how can something get use to a granade?'

That is not a good thing IT IS A GREAT THING!!! Just be prepared to

have more then the usual die off herx from the MMS as there will now

be more spirocetes free form in your system.

Any other opinions are welcome.

>

> Ballady, hepatitis c does the same with regard to stress. I'm doing

great one day, and spiral the next at times.

> http://Null.com states that our singular cells have a

memory, so that even if we overcome chronic infection, they can react

in the same way if reminded of a threat.

> I mentioned earlier that I was exposed to lead-paint dust and had

a headache all week- well, I had another incident where the threat of

exposure was real, and instantly my headache turned on like a switch.

> I am not giving up on this, because I get relief, so it must

work.

>

>

> [ ] MMS and Lyme

>

> Although certainly not completely cured of Lyme, I thought I had

> turned a corner with it using MMS. I thought that my immune system

had

> been strengthened from its effects. But a few days ago I had a very

> stressful event occur and down I went in that all too familiar Lyme

> flare that accompanies stress. Then I thought I might come back up

> from it more quickly, but it's day four and I am still mightily

ill. I

> don't mean to be a naysayer, just reporting my reality. This doesn't

> mean that I'm giving up on MMS either, more that I'm disappointed

that

> Lyme is still so dang alive and kicking! Still, I'm not ungrateful

for

> small mercies, respites and such that I have experienced with MMS.

As

> someone said in an earlier post, we are still in the experimental

> stage. Time will tell, and I'm willing to give it that time.

>

> Ballady

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Ballady,I think going with your intuition is the best thing you can do.I have been extremely slow at increasing my dose and hovered a 8 drops a day for several weeks, still herxed on this dose. It could be that after you take a break and build up some you can try a low dose again.Sue~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Who thought a bite from suck a tiny bug could make one so sick! Do you have our Lyme Disease awareness poster and handout?

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Meredith,

So sorry to hear you are ailing as I know how well you were doing.

Lyme attacks connective tissue (along with every other tissue) so our

joints get targeted a lot. On Sunday my hip joint " collapsed " again

(this is what if feels like). This happens 3 or 4 times a year, but

this is one of the more severe episodes. Sitting or standing is

excruciating so I can only be on the computer briefly.

Let us know how the " restart " goes. I'm not there yet and not going to

push it until I do feel ready.

All the best!

Ballady

> > > >

> > > > Ballady, hepatitis c does the same with regard to stress. I'm

doing

> > > great one day, and spiral the next at times.

> > > > http://Null.com <http://garynull.com/> states that our

singular

> > cells have a

> > > memory, so that even if we overcome chronic infection, they can

react

> > > in the same way if reminded of a threat.

> > > > I mentioned earlier that I was exposed to lead-paint dust and had

> > > a headache all week- well, I had another incident where the

threat of

> > > exposure was real, and instantly my headache turned on like a

switch.

> > > > I am not giving up on this, because I get relief, so it must

> > > work.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > [ ] MMS and Lyme

> > > >

> > > > Although certainly not completely cured of Lyme, I thought I had

> > > > turned a corner with it using MMS. I thought that my immune system

> > > had

> > > > been strengthened from its effects. But a few days ago I had a

very

> > > > stressful event occur and down I went in that all too familiar

Lyme

> > > > flare that accompanies stress. Then I thought I might come back up

> > > > from it more quickly, but it's day four and I am still mightily

> > > ill. I

> > > > don't mean to be a naysayer, just reporting my reality. This

doesn't

> > > > mean that I'm giving up on MMS either, more that I'm disappointed

> > > that

> > > > Lyme is still so dang alive and kicking! Still, I'm not ungrateful

> > > for

> > > > small mercies, respites and such that I have experienced with MMS.

> > > As

> > > > someone said in an earlier post, we are still in the experimental

> > > > stage. Time will tell, and I'm willing to give it that time.

> > > >

> > > > Ballady

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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This is disturbing. Since I have HCV, and I believe that it doesn't

have a cell wall, and my ND has me taking Cod liver oil.....

Thanks, I'll do some more checking into this.

Kathy

> > > >

> > > > Ballady, hepatitis c does the same with regard to stress. I'm

doing

> > > great one day, and spiral the next at times.

> > > > http://Null.com states that our singular cells have a

> > > memory, so that even if we overcome chronic infection, they can

react

> > > in the same way if reminded of a threat.

> > > > I mentioned earlier that I was exposed to lead-paint dust

and had

> > > a headache all week- well, I had another incident where the

threat of

> > > exposure was real, and instantly my headache turned on like a

switch.

> > > > I am not giving up on this, because I get relief, so it

must

> > > work.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > [ ] MMS and Lyme

> > > >

> > > > Although certainly not completely cured of Lyme, I thought I

had

> > > > turned a corner with it using MMS. I thought that my immune

system

> > > had

> > > > been strengthened from its effects. But a few days ago I had

a very

> > > > stressful event occur and down I went in that all too

familiar Lyme

> > > > flare that accompanies stress. Then I thought I might come

back up

> > > > from it more quickly, but it's day four and I am still

mightily

> > > ill. I

> > > > don't mean to be a naysayer, just reporting my reality. This

doesn't

> > > > mean that I'm giving up on MMS either, more that I'm

disappointed

> > > that

> > > > Lyme is still so dang alive and kicking! Still, I'm not

ungrateful

> > > for

> > > > small mercies, respites and such that I have experienced with

MMS.

> > > As

> > > > someone said in an earlier post, we are still in the

experimental

> > > > stage. Time will tell, and I'm willing to give it that time.

> > > >

> > > > Ballady

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

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Don't drop your Vit. D suddenly. Most people do better increasing their vit. D rather than decreasing it. Vit. D is extremely important for the immune system. Only a small handful of people respond favorably to reduced vit. D levels.

-- [ ] Re: MMS and Lyme

This is disturbing. Since I have HCV, and I believe that it doesn't

have a cell wall, and my ND has me taking Cod liver oil.....

Thanks, I'll do some more checking into this.

Kathy

> > > >

> > > > Ballady, hepatitis c does the same with regard to stress. I'm

doing

> > > great one day, and spiral the next at times.

> > > > http://Null.com states that our singular cells have a

> > > memory, so that even if we overcome chronic infection, they can

react

> > > in the same way if reminded of a threat.

> > > > I mentioned earlier that I was exposed to lead-paint dust

and had

> > > a headache all week- well, I had another incident where the

threat of

> > > exposure was real, and instantly my headache turned on like a

switch.

> > > > I am not giving up on this, because I get relief, so it

must

> > > work.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > [ ] MMS and Lyme

> > > >

> > > > Although certainly not completely cured of Lyme, I thought I

had

> > > > turned a corner with it using MMS. I thought that my immune

system

> > > had

> > > > been strengthened from its effects. But a few days ago I had

a very

> > > > stressful event occur and down I went in that all too

familiar Lyme

> > > > flare that accompanies stress. Then I thought I might come

back up

> > > > from it more quickly, but it's day four and I am still

mightily

> > > ill. I

> > > > don't mean to be a naysayer, just reporting my reality. This

doesn't

> > > > mean that I'm giving up on MMS either, more that I'm

disappointed

> > > that

> > > > Lyme is still so dang alive and kicking! Still, I'm not

ungrateful

> > > for

> > > > small mercies, respites and such that I have experienced with

MMS.

> > > As

> > > > someone said in an earlier post, we are still in the

experimental

> > > > stage. Time will tell, and I'm willing to give it that time.

> > > >

> > > > Ballady

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

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> > > > Find them fast with Search.

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