Guest guest Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 Ballady, hepatitis c does the same with regard to stress. I'm doing great one day, and spiral the next at times. http://Null.com states that our singular cells have a memory, so that even if we overcome chronic infection, they can react in the same way if reminded of a threat. I mentioned earlier that I was exposed to lead-paint dust and had a headache all week- well, I had another incident where the threat of exposure was real, and instantly my headache turned on like a switch. I am not giving up on this, because I get relief, so it must work. [ ] MMS and Lyme Although certainly not completely cured of Lyme, I thought I hadturned a corner with it using MMS. I thought that my immune system hadbeen strengthened from its effects. But a few days ago I had a verystressful event occur and down I went in that all too familiar Lymeflare that accompanies stress. Then I thought I might come back upfrom it more quickly, but it's day four and I am still mightily ill. Idon't mean to be a naysayer, just reporting my reality. This doesn'tmean that I'm giving up on MMS either, more that I'm disappointed thatLyme is still so dang alive and kicking! Still, I'm not ungrateful forsmall mercies, respites and such that I have experienced with MMS. Assomeone said in an earlier post, we are still in the experimentalstage. Time will tell, and I'm willing to give it that time.Ballady Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 I would think that EFT might work in these cases. Would teach the body a new response. Samala, -------Original Message------- I mentioned earlier that I was exposed to lead-paint dust and had a headache all week- well, I had another incident where the threat of exposure was real, and instantly my headache turned on like a switch. I am not giving up on this, because I get relief, so it must work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 Ballady, How long had you been doing the salt/c before the MMS? I apologize if you have probably mentioned this before, but I can't remember. -- [ ] MMS and Lyme Although certainly not completely cured of Lyme, I thought I had turned a corner with it using MMS. I thought that my immune system had been strengthened from its effects. But a few days ago I had a very stressful event occur and down I went in that all too familiar Lyme flare that accompanies stress. Then I thought I might come back up from it more quickly, but it's day four and I am still mightily ill. I don't mean to be a naysayer, just reporting my reality. This doesn't mean that I'm giving up on MMS either, more that I'm disappointed that Lyme is still so dang alive and kicking! Still, I'm not ungrateful for small mercies, respites and such that I have experienced with MMS. As someone said in an earlier post, we are still in the experimental stage. Time will tell, and I'm willing to give it that time. Ballady Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 You know, I honestly cannot remember when I started salt/c but I think it was about 2 years ago Ballady > > Ballady, > > How long had you been doing the salt/c before the MMS? I apologize if > you have probably mentioned this before, but I can't remember. > > > > -- [ ] MMS and Lyme > > Although certainly not completely cured of Lyme, I thought I had > turned a corner with it using MMS. I thought that my immune system had > been strengthened from its effects. But a few days ago I had a very > stressful event occur and down I went in that all too familiar Lyme > flare that accompanies stress. Then I thought I might come back up > from it more quickly, but it's day four and I am still mightily ill. I > don't mean to be a naysayer, just reporting my reality. This doesn't > mean that I'm giving up on MMS either, more that I'm disappointed that > Lyme is still so dang alive and kicking! Still, I'm not ungrateful for > small mercies, respites and such that I have experienced with MMS. As > someone said in an earlier post, we are still in the experimental > stage. Time will tell, and I'm willing to give it that time. > > Ballady > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 Ballady,Have you continued the salt/c while on the MMS? I backed way down and now my joint pain is back so am going back up again. Damn Lyme.Sue~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Please join Lyme Aware on facebook athttp://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=4960726826 Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 Hi Ballady, Do you think the MMS is causing you problems or just not working? Olive > > Although certainly not completely cured of Lyme, I thought I had > turned a corner with it using MMS. I thought that my immune system had > been strengthened from its effects. But a few days ago I had a very > stressful event occur and down I went in that all too familiar Lyme > flare that accompanies stress. Then I thought I might come back up > from it more quickly, but it's day four and I am still mightily ill. I > don't mean to be a naysayer, just reporting my reality. This doesn't > mean that I'm giving up on MMS either, more that I'm disappointed that > Lyme is still so dang alive and kicking! Still, I'm not ungrateful for > small mercies, respites and such that I have experienced with MMS. As > someone said in an earlier post, we are still in the experimental > stage. Time will tell, and I'm willing to give it that time. > > Ballady > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 Hi Meredith, Sue, Olive, I was doing great on MMS and I truly thought I had turned a corner with LD. I was even going back to the gym twice a week, which is miraculous, considering that every time I had tried just a 10 minute session (in the past umpteen years) I would end up " down " for weeks, months. I finally gave up on it. I think what happened with the MMS is that I got a little too " gung-ho " and instead of increasing daily by one drop, one day I increased by 3 drops instead. I had violent retching, vomiting, diarrhea and was in bed for days after. Although I began to feel somewhat better, I still don't think I've completely receuped from that event, which probably adversely affected my electrolyte balance as well as other things, I imagine. I read here that others have experienced something similar to this. Maybe eventually I will be able to resume taking MMS, but it definitely feels like a " No " right now. The last few times I've taken it (even in miniscule doses) was against my intuition (cowboy up! you know)with the result that I experienced it as something toxic, not healing, to my system. I know this might be regarded by some MMS users as part and parcel of the MMS protocol, but the messages from my body, and then the validation through pendulum testing, convinced me it was time to stop. I think MMS is extremely powerful stuff and necessitates going slow, especially for Lymies, even if reading that others here are able to do otherwise. And I'm certainly not suggesting that we are more ill than other folks, but I can only speak to the condition I know about firsthand - though my own body and communication through the years with you all and our other buddies on LS. Saying this, I will be delighted if MMS works well for you all! Ballady > > > > Although certainly not completely cured of Lyme, I thought I had > > turned a corner with it using MMS. I thought that my immune system had > > been strengthened from its effects. But a few days ago I had a very > > stressful event occur and down I went in that all too familiar Lyme > > flare that accompanies stress. Then I thought I might come back up > > from it more quickly, but it's day four and I am still mightily ill. I > > don't mean to be a naysayer, just reporting my reality. This doesn't > > mean that I'm giving up on MMS either, more that I'm disappointed that > > Lyme is still so dang alive and kicking! Still, I'm not ungrateful for > > small mercies, respites and such that I have experienced with MMS. As > > someone said in an earlier post, we are still in the experimental > > stage. Time will tell, and I'm willing to give it that time. > > > > Ballady > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 Ballady, I'm so sorry at this turn of events for you but thank you for sharing your experience and warning about ramping up too fast. I do hope that if you do not return to MMS that you at least find something else that can kill this wretched bacteria. And who knows, maybe with enough time to normalize you may be able to go back to MMS. Please keep us posted. Olive > > > > > > Although certainly not completely cured of Lyme, I thought I had > > > turned a corner with it using MMS. I thought that my immune system had > > > been strengthened from its effects. But a few days ago I had a very > > > stressful event occur and down I went in that all too familiar Lyme > > > flare that accompanies stress. Then I thought I might come back up > > > from it more quickly, but it's day four and I am still mightily ill. I > > > don't mean to be a naysayer, just reporting my reality. This doesn't > > > mean that I'm giving up on MMS either, more that I'm disappointed that > > > Lyme is still so dang alive and kicking! Still, I'm not ungrateful for > > > small mercies, respites and such that I have experienced with MMS. As > > > someone said in an earlier post, we are still in the experimental > > > stage. Time will tell, and I'm willing to give it that time. > > > > > > Ballady > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 Ballady, I just wanted to say that I had a bad reaction like you and backed off MMS for about 2 weeks? It was really hard starting back up. I took only a drop a day for 2 weeks. I have since increased to 4 or 5 per dose (only once at night) over the last few days with no ill effects. Remember some of these pathogens can influence our minds. They want to live and can convince you to resist treatment. It has been shown that certain parasites can make this happen. I know I like to trust my intuition too but it is not always 100%. Best to you in your recovery. Jill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 Ballady, dont be discourged. this has happened to me also. this is why our experiance is cool. you remember on the board when differant ones were expressing there concern about if MMS would be recognized by the lyme spirocete like ABX is? And since we dont want Lyme to go into cyst form where it can hide this is a valid concern. well you and I have proven that it does not. If you have been taking MMS on a daily basis like I have you probably have experienced a very nice improvement. so understandably it is depressing to have a set back to what might seem like the begining. but remember that lyme will do that, i mean it will try to advance when the body has a stressfull event which lowers the immune system. It wount do that when a person is on ABX because it recognizes the danger ( thus it hides and a person seems to get better because they do not have these setbacks while on ABX, that is until they have to go off ABX ). IF IT IS TRYING TO ADVANCE AFTER A STRESSFULL EVENT DURING YOUR USAGE OF MMS IT IS PROOF THAT IS JUST AS JIM HUMBLE SAYS---IT DOES NOT RECOGNIZE IT AS A THREAT. Remember Jim did say 'how can something get use to a granade?' That is not a good thing IT IS A GREAT THING!!! Just be prepared to have more then the usual die off herx from the MMS as there will now be more spirocetes free form in your system. Any other opinions are welcome. > > Ballady, hepatitis c does the same with regard to stress. I'm doing great one day, and spiral the next at times. > http://Null.com states that our singular cells have a memory, so that even if we overcome chronic infection, they can react in the same way if reminded of a threat. > I mentioned earlier that I was exposed to lead-paint dust and had a headache all week- well, I had another incident where the threat of exposure was real, and instantly my headache turned on like a switch. > I am not giving up on this, because I get relief, so it must work. > > > [ ] MMS and Lyme > > Although certainly not completely cured of Lyme, I thought I had > turned a corner with it using MMS. I thought that my immune system had > been strengthened from its effects. But a few days ago I had a very > stressful event occur and down I went in that all too familiar Lyme > flare that accompanies stress. Then I thought I might come back up > from it more quickly, but it's day four and I am still mightily ill. I > don't mean to be a naysayer, just reporting my reality. This doesn't > mean that I'm giving up on MMS either, more that I'm disappointed that > Lyme is still so dang alive and kicking! Still, I'm not ungrateful for > small mercies, respites and such that I have experienced with MMS. As > someone said in an earlier post, we are still in the experimental > stage. Time will tell, and I'm willing to give it that time. > > Ballady > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ ______________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Search. http://tools.search./newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 Ballady,I think going with your intuition is the best thing you can do.I have been extremely slow at increasing my dose and hovered a 8 drops a day for several weeks, still herxed on this dose. It could be that after you take a break and build up some you can try a low dose again.Sue~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Who thought a bite from suck a tiny bug could make one so sick! Do you have our Lyme Disease awareness poster and handout? Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 Meredith, So sorry to hear you are ailing as I know how well you were doing. Lyme attacks connective tissue (along with every other tissue) so our joints get targeted a lot. On Sunday my hip joint " collapsed " again (this is what if feels like). This happens 3 or 4 times a year, but this is one of the more severe episodes. Sitting or standing is excruciating so I can only be on the computer briefly. Let us know how the " restart " goes. I'm not there yet and not going to push it until I do feel ready. All the best! Ballady > > > > > > > > Ballady, hepatitis c does the same with regard to stress. I'm doing > > > great one day, and spiral the next at times. > > > > http://Null.com <http://garynull.com/> states that our singular > > cells have a > > > memory, so that even if we overcome chronic infection, they can react > > > in the same way if reminded of a threat. > > > > I mentioned earlier that I was exposed to lead-paint dust and had > > > a headache all week- well, I had another incident where the threat of > > > exposure was real, and instantly my headache turned on like a switch. > > > > I am not giving up on this, because I get relief, so it must > > > work. > > > > > > > > > > > > [ ] MMS and Lyme > > > > > > > > Although certainly not completely cured of Lyme, I thought I had > > > > turned a corner with it using MMS. I thought that my immune system > > > had > > > > been strengthened from its effects. But a few days ago I had a very > > > > stressful event occur and down I went in that all too familiar Lyme > > > > flare that accompanies stress. Then I thought I might come back up > > > > from it more quickly, but it's day four and I am still mightily > > > ill. I > > > > don't mean to be a naysayer, just reporting my reality. This doesn't > > > > mean that I'm giving up on MMS either, more that I'm disappointed > > > that > > > > Lyme is still so dang alive and kicking! Still, I'm not ungrateful > > > for > > > > small mercies, respites and such that I have experienced with MMS. > > > As > > > > someone said in an earlier post, we are still in the experimental > > > > stage. Time will tell, and I'm willing to give it that time. > > > > > > > > Ballady > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > > ______________ > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > > > > Find them fast with Search. > > > http://tools.search./newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 This is disturbing. Since I have HCV, and I believe that it doesn't have a cell wall, and my ND has me taking Cod liver oil..... Thanks, I'll do some more checking into this. Kathy > > > > > > > > Ballady, hepatitis c does the same with regard to stress. I'm doing > > > great one day, and spiral the next at times. > > > > http://Null.com states that our singular cells have a > > > memory, so that even if we overcome chronic infection, they can react > > > in the same way if reminded of a threat. > > > > I mentioned earlier that I was exposed to lead-paint dust and had > > > a headache all week- well, I had another incident where the threat of > > > exposure was real, and instantly my headache turned on like a switch. > > > > I am not giving up on this, because I get relief, so it must > > > work. > > > > > > > > > > > > [ ] MMS and Lyme > > > > > > > > Although certainly not completely cured of Lyme, I thought I had > > > > turned a corner with it using MMS. I thought that my immune system > > > had > > > > been strengthened from its effects. But a few days ago I had a very > > > > stressful event occur and down I went in that all too familiar Lyme > > > > flare that accompanies stress. Then I thought I might come back up > > > > from it more quickly, but it's day four and I am still mightily > > > ill. I > > > > don't mean to be a naysayer, just reporting my reality. This doesn't > > > > mean that I'm giving up on MMS either, more that I'm disappointed > > > that > > > > Lyme is still so dang alive and kicking! Still, I'm not ungrateful > > > for > > > > small mercies, respites and such that I have experienced with MMS. > > > As > > > > someone said in an earlier post, we are still in the experimental > > > > stage. Time will tell, and I'm willing to give it that time. > > > > > > > > Ballady > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > ______________ > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > > > > Find them fast with Search. > > > http://tools.search./newsearch/category.php? category=shopping > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 Don't drop your Vit. D suddenly. Most people do better increasing their vit. D rather than decreasing it. Vit. D is extremely important for the immune system. Only a small handful of people respond favorably to reduced vit. D levels. -- [ ] Re: MMS and Lyme This is disturbing. Since I have HCV, and I believe that it doesn't have a cell wall, and my ND has me taking Cod liver oil..... Thanks, I'll do some more checking into this. Kathy > > > > > > > > Ballady, hepatitis c does the same with regard to stress. I'm doing > > > great one day, and spiral the next at times. > > > > http://Null.com states that our singular cells have a > > > memory, so that even if we overcome chronic infection, they can react > > > in the same way if reminded of a threat. > > > > I mentioned earlier that I was exposed to lead-paint dust and had > > > a headache all week- well, I had another incident where the threat of > > > exposure was real, and instantly my headache turned on like a switch. > > > > I am not giving up on this, because I get relief, so it must > > > work. > > > > > > > > > > > > [ ] MMS and Lyme > > > > > > > > Although certainly not completely cured of Lyme, I thought I had > > > > turned a corner with it using MMS. I thought that my immune system > > > had > > > > been strengthened from its effects. But a few days ago I had a very > > > > stressful event occur and down I went in that all too familiar Lyme > > > > flare that accompanies stress. Then I thought I might come back up > > > > from it more quickly, but it's day four and I am still mightily > > > ill. I > > > > don't mean to be a naysayer, just reporting my reality. This doesn't > > > > mean that I'm giving up on MMS either, more that I'm disappointed > > > that > > > > Lyme is still so dang alive and kicking! Still, I'm not ungrateful > > > for > > > > small mercies, respites and such that I have experienced with MMS. > > > As > > > > someone said in an earlier post, we are still in the experimental > > > > stage. Time will tell, and I'm willing to give it that time. > > > > > > > > Ballady > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > ______________ > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > > > > Find them fast with Search. > > > http://tools.search./newsearch/category.php? category=shopping > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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