Re: MMS herx possible toxic reaction

[Guest guest]

The symptoms people have are from the die off the MMS causes, not

from the MMS itself. This was proven to me, as it's written in the

book. My husband is very healthy while I have Hepatitis C. We both

took 15 drops after 8 days of not taking MMS. I go ill, vomiting and

diarrhea, he experienced absolutely nothing. It was as if he has

taken plain old water.

When people take MMS, the sicker they are, they less they can handle,

because as soon as it is in the body, it begins to seek out and

destroy pathogens. It is unstable and I guess you could say stressed

out. So it wants to be stable, and in order to do that, it needs

electrons from Pathogens. Electrons from healthy cells will not help

it, so it doesn't bother with healthy cells.

It is all based on pH.

If you haven't already, I suggest you read the book. Part one is free

for the download and covers everything quite well. I don't think

anyone has disagreed with the book yet.

http://miraclemineral.org

Also, Adam Abraham has interviewed Jim Humble and is shipping the DVD

he made in December out this next week. I'm getting a copy of

Understanding MMS.

http://www.phaelos.com/understanding_mms.htm

What is toxic is not the MMS, it's the dead pathogens. The body wants

them out, which is why a person needs to go slowly if they are really

overloaded, such as those with Hepatitis, AIDS, Lyme, Cancer. It's

all in the book. It's well worth a couple hours of your time.

Kathy

[Guest guest]

Kathy,

Thanks for the information. What you say makes good sense, and while I

believe that severity of reaction has somewhat to do with a person's

pathogen load, I think it also has to do with the toxicity of the

pathogen (ie some produce more biotoxins than others), a person's

detox mechanisms, and perhaps other factors.

Connie

www.lymebytes.blogspot.com

>

> The symptoms people have are from the die off the MMS causes, not

> from the MMS itself. This was proven to me, as it's written in the

> book. My husband is very healthy while I have Hepatitis C. We both

> took 15 drops after 8 days of not taking MMS. I go ill, vomiting and

> diarrhea, he experienced absolutely nothing. It was as if he has

> taken plain old water.

>

> When people take MMS, the sicker they are, they less they can handle,

> because as soon as it is in the body, it begins to seek out and

> destroy pathogens. It is unstable and I guess you could say stressed

> out. So it wants to be stable, and in order to do that, it needs

> electrons from Pathogens. Electrons from healthy cells will not help

> it, so it doesn't bother with healthy cells.

>

> It is all based on pH.

>

> If you haven't already, I suggest you read the book. Part one is free

> for the download and covers everything quite well. I don't think

> anyone has disagreed with the book yet.

> http://miraclemineral.org

>

> Also, Adam Abraham has interviewed Jim Humble and is shipping the DVD

> he made in December out this next week. I'm getting a copy of

> Understanding MMS.

>

> http://www.phaelos.com/understanding_mms.htm

>

> What is toxic is not the MMS, it's the dead pathogens. The body wants

> them out, which is why a person needs to go slowly if they are really

> overloaded, such as those with Hepatitis, AIDS, Lyme, Cancer. It's

> all in the book. It's well worth a couple hours of your time.

>

> Kathy

>

[Guest guest]

Right on, Connie. Some people can eliminate toxins easier than

others. People who experience trouble might consider a toxin binder.

Another thing Jim suggested is to drink a tall glass of water an hour

after dosing.

Kathy

>

> Kathy,

>

> Thanks for the information. What you say makes good sense, and

while I

> believe that severity of reaction has somewhat to do with a person's

> pathogen load, I think it also has to do with the toxicity of the

> pathogen (ie some produce more biotoxins than others), a person's

> detox mechanisms, and perhaps other factors.

>

> Connie

> www.lymebytes.blogspot.com

>

>

> >

> > The symptoms people have are from the die off the MMS causes, not

> > from the MMS itself. This was proven to me, as it's written in

the

> > book. My husband is very healthy while I have Hepatitis C. We

both

> > took 15 drops after 8 days of not taking MMS. I go ill, vomiting

and

> > diarrhea, he experienced absolutely nothing. It was as if he has

> > taken plain old water.

> >

> > When people take MMS, the sicker they are, they less they can

handle,

> > because as soon as it is in the body, it begins to seek out and

> > destroy pathogens. It is unstable and I guess you could say

stressed

> > out. So it wants to be stable, and in order to do that, it needs

> > electrons from Pathogens. Electrons from healthy cells will not

help

> > it, so it doesn't bother with healthy cells.

> >

> > It is all based on pH.

> >

> > If you haven't already, I suggest you read the book. Part one is

free

> > for the download and covers everything quite well. I don't think

> > anyone has disagreed with the book yet.

> > http://miraclemineral.org

> >

> > Also, Adam Abraham has interviewed Jim Humble and is shipping the

DVD

> > he made in December out this next week. I'm getting a copy of

> > Understanding MMS.

> >

> > http://www.phaelos.com/understanding_mms.htm

> >

> > What is toxic is not the MMS, it's the dead pathogens. The body

wants

> > them out, which is why a person needs to go slowly if they are

really

> > overloaded, such as those with Hepatitis, AIDS, Lyme, Cancer.

It's

> > all in the book. It's well worth a couple hours of your time.

> >

> > Kathy

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Try this one.

http://phaelos.com/

Kathy

ps - Yes, I am aware that too much water can drown you. I was talking

about drinking a small glass, not a 50 gallon tank full. You can

drown by inhaling an oz of water, from what I've heard, not to get

nit picky.

>

> I'll just add that I don't want to go without taking it, because I

have hcv as well, but I'm symptom free. I may never be " cured " , but

if I have mms, but I'm convinced I will stay well.

> Btw, too much water can drown you, so you could say its toxic at

that level. We're all on here, trying to figure out how to take this

in the right amount, that gets the job done without distress. It

seems like lately that there are less reports of bowel distress, so I

think everybody is getting a handle on the correct doses.

> Hey Kathy, can I get an address to buy that dvd? That link

doesn't work, and the site I visited earlier doesn't have an address,

just paypal, and I don't do paypal, because they don't except Am

Express. Thanks

>

>

> [ ] Re: MMS herx possible toxic

reaction

>

> The symptoms people have are from the die off the MMS causes, not

> from the MMS itself. This was proven to me, as it's written in the

> book. My husband is very healthy while I have Hepatitis C. We both

> took 15 drops after 8 days of not taking MMS. I go ill, vomiting

and

> diarrhea, he experienced absolutely nothing. It was as if he has

> taken plain old water.

>

> When people take MMS, the sicker they are, they less they can

handle,

> because as soon as it is in the body, it begins to seek out and

> destroy pathogens. It is unstable and I guess you could say

stressed

> out. So it wants to be stable, and in order to do that, it needs

> electrons from Pathogens. Electrons from healthy cells will not

help

> it, so it doesn't bother with healthy cells.

>

> It is all based on pH.

>

> If you haven't already, I suggest you read the book. Part one is

free

> for the download and covers everything quite well. I don't think

> anyone has disagreed with the book yet.

> http://miracleminer al.org

>

> Also, Adam Abraham has interviewed Jim Humble and is shipping the

DVD

> he made in December out this next week. I'm getting a copy of

> Understanding MMS.

>

> http://www.phaelos. com/understandin g_mms.htm

>

> What is toxic is not the MMS, it's the dead pathogens. The body

wants

> them out, which is why a person needs to go slowly if they are

really

> overloaded, such as those with Hepatitis, AIDS, Lyme, Cancer. It's

> all in the book. It's well worth a couple hours of your time.

>

> Kathy

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

The electrons from pathogens argument makes no sense. Electrons are

at the atomic level, not at the cellular level. Everytime I see that

statement it makes me doubt mms more.

greg

--- In , " Kat " <makiah@...>

wrote:

>

> The symptoms people have are from the die off the MMS causes, not

> from the MMS itself. This was proven to me, as it's written in the

> book. My husband is very healthy while I have Hepatitis C. We both

> took 15 drops after 8 days of not taking MMS. I go ill, vomiting and

> diarrhea, he experienced absolutely nothing. It was as if he has

> taken plain old water.

>

> When people take MMS, the sicker they are, they less they can handle,

> because as soon as it is in the body, it begins to seek out and

> destroy pathogens. It is unstable and I guess you could say stressed

> out. So it wants to be stable, and in order to do that, it needs

> electrons from Pathogens. Electrons from healthy cells will not help

> it, so it doesn't bother with healthy cells.

>

> It is all based on pH.

>

> If you haven't already, I suggest you read the book. Part one is free

> for the download and covers everything quite well. I don't think

> anyone has disagreed with the book yet.

> http://miraclemineral.org

>

> Also, Adam Abraham has interviewed Jim Humble and is shipping the DVD

> he made in December out this next week. I'm getting a copy of

> Understanding MMS.

>

> http://www.phaelos.com/understanding_mms.htm

>

> What is toxic is not the MMS, it's the dead pathogens. The body wants

> them out, which is why a person needs to go slowly if they are really

> overloaded, such as those with Hepatitis, AIDS, Lyme, Cancer. It's

> all in the book. It's well worth a couple hours of your time.

>

> Kathy

>

[Guest guest]

Too much love is definitely toxic! LOL

When I was about 10 years old, my mom was kissing me good night, and

she started getting silly, and kissing me over and over, and it was

uncomfortable and I was feeling embarassed, and I said, Mom! Your'e

kissing me so much it's pitiful.

Poor thing, she was so hurt. I meant embarassing, and thought that

pitiful meant embarassing.

She quit kissing me so much, though.

Kathy

> >

> > I'll just add that I don't want to go without taking it, because

I

> have hcv as well, but I'm symptom free. I may never be " cured " , but

> if I have mms, but I'm convinced I will stay well.

> > Btw, too much water can drown you, so you could say its toxic at

> that level. We're all on here, trying to figure out how to take

this

> in the right amount, that gets the job done without distress. It

> seems like lately that there are less reports of bowel distress, so

I

> think everybody is getting a handle on the correct doses.

> > Hey Kathy, can I get an address to buy that dvd? That link

> doesn't work, and the site I visited earlier doesn't have an

address,

> just paypal, and I don't do paypal, because they don't except Am

> Express. Thanks

> >

> >

> > [miracle_mineral_ supplement] Re: MMS herx possible

toxic

> reaction

> >

> > The symptoms people have are from the die off the MMS causes, not

> > from the MMS itself. This was proven to me, as it's written in

the

> > book. My husband is very healthy while I have Hepatitis C. We

both

> > took 15 drops after 8 days of not taking MMS. I go ill, vomiting

> and

> > diarrhea, he experienced absolutely nothing. It was as if he has

> > taken plain old water.

> >

> > When people take MMS, the sicker they are, they less they can

> handle,

> > because as soon as it is in the body, it begins to seek out and

> > destroy pathogens. It is unstable and I guess you could say

> stressed

> > out. So it wants to be stable, and in order to do that, it needs

> > electrons from Pathogens. Electrons from healthy cells will not

> help

> > it, so it doesn't bother with healthy cells.

> >

> > It is all based on pH.

> >

> > If you haven't already, I suggest you read the book. Part one is

> free

> > for the download and covers everything quite well. I don't think

> > anyone has disagreed with the book yet.

> > http://miracleminer al.org

> >

> > Also, Adam Abraham has interviewed Jim Humble and is shipping the

> DVD

> > he made in December out this next week. I'm getting a copy of

> > Understanding MMS.

> >

> > http://www.phaelos. com/understandin g_mms.htm

> >

> > What is toxic is not the MMS, it's the dead pathogens. The body

> wants

> > them out, which is why a person needs to go slowly if they are

> really

> > overloaded, such as those with Hepatitis, AIDS, Lyme, Cancer.

It's

> > all in the book. It's well worth a couple hours of your time.

> >

> > Kathy

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Doug, what are you doubting?

What about pathogens and electrons makes not sense.

Viruses are not even cells, and have no cell wall, they have things

like capsids.

Wouldn't MMS have elctrons just like pathogens have electrons?

Couldn't it be unstable at the atomic level and gravitate toward

certain cells, kind of like magnets attract metal?

> >

> > The symptoms people have are from the die off the MMS causes, not

> > from the MMS itself. This was proven to me, as it's written in

the

> > book. My husband is very healthy while I have Hepatitis C. We

both

> > took 15 drops after 8 days of not taking MMS. I go ill, vomiting

and

> > diarrhea, he experienced absolutely nothing. It was as if he has

> > taken plain old water.

> >

> > When people take MMS, the sicker they are, they less they can

handle,

> > because as soon as it is in the body, it begins to seek out and

> > destroy pathogens. It is unstable and I guess you could say

stressed

> > out. So it wants to be stable, and in order to do that, it needs

> > electrons from Pathogens. Electrons from healthy cells will not

help

> > it, so it doesn't bother with healthy cells.

> >

> > It is all based on pH.

> >

> > If you haven't already, I suggest you read the book. Part one is

free

> > for the download and covers everything quite well. I don't think

> > anyone has disagreed with the book yet.

> > http://miraclemineral.org

> >

> > Also, Adam Abraham has interviewed Jim Humble and is shipping the

DVD

> > he made in December out this next week. I'm getting a copy of

> > Understanding MMS.

> >

> > http://www.phaelos.com/understanding_mms.htm

> >

> > What is toxic is not the MMS, it's the dead pathogens. The body

wants

> > them out, which is why a person needs to go slowly if they are

really

> > overloaded, such as those with Hepatitis, AIDS, Lyme, Cancer.

It's

> > all in the book. It's well worth a couple hours of your time.

> >

> > Kathy

> >

>

[Guest guest]

But what chemicals or elements are specifically in pathogens that

react with mms? Cells have thousands or millions of electrons in

them. The average animal cell is on a scale of about 100 micrometers,

and bacterium is about 1 micrometer. Viruses are maybe around 100 nm,

while atoms are usually about a tenth of a nm and each atom has much

smaller electrons circling them. An oxygen atom with a covalent radii

of .066 nm is the same as 0.000066 micrometers.

My point is that cells and molecules are on a whole different scale

and molecules make up cells, so if you are talking about electron

exchange, there must be a specific element or molecule in each

pathogen that reacts with mms. It is possible I guess, but there are

not electrons surrounding pathogens, there are thousands of electrons

within their chemical makeup.

greg

> > >

> > > The symptoms people have are from the die off the MMS causes, not

> > > from the MMS itself. This was proven to me, as it's written in

> the

> > > book. My husband is very healthy while I have Hepatitis C. We

> both

> > > took 15 drops after 8 days of not taking MMS. I go ill, vomiting

> and

> > > diarrhea, he experienced absolutely nothing. It was as if he has

> > > taken plain old water.

> > >

> > > When people take MMS, the sicker they are, they less they can

> handle,

> > > because as soon as it is in the body, it begins to seek out and

> > > destroy pathogens. It is unstable and I guess you could say

> stressed

> > > out. So it wants to be stable, and in order to do that, it needs

> > > electrons from Pathogens. Electrons from healthy cells will not

> help

> > > it, so it doesn't bother with healthy cells.

> > >

> > > It is all based on pH.

> > >

> > > If you haven't already, I suggest you read the book. Part one is

> free

> > > for the download and covers everything quite well. I don't think

> > > anyone has disagreed with the book yet.

> > > http://miraclemineral.org

> > >

> > > Also, Adam Abraham has interviewed Jim Humble and is shipping the

> DVD

> > > he made in December out this next week. I'm getting a copy of

> > > Understanding MMS.

> > >

> > > http://www.phaelos.com/understanding_mms.htm

> > >

> > > What is toxic is not the MMS, it's the dead pathogens. The body

> wants

> > > them out, which is why a person needs to go slowly if they are

> really

> > > overloaded, such as those with Hepatitis, AIDS, Lyme, Cancer.

> It's

> > > all in the book. It's well worth a couple hours of your time.

> > >

> > > Kathy

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Well that's kind of my point, there is no science behind this

statement. Saying mms takes an electron from a donating pathogen cell

is just an illogical statement that seems like a falsely scientific

front to promote something not well understood, to people who don't

know anything about biology. Now I am no biologist. The last biology

class I took was in high school, so maybe it is just that I am young

enough to remember some of this. The argument that mms takes

thousands of electrons from the molecular makeup of a pathogenic

membrane might make a little more sense, but that means there is a

commonality in the molecular makeup of all pathogens.

Again, I am no biologist and have just a very basic grasp on this

stuff. I just have a hard time understanding how a substance could be

so broad reaching (hitting bad bacteria and viruses) while being so

discriminate (not touching good cells and bacteria). I am not saying

it is not possible, but when I am presented with obviously pseudo

scientific evidence to back up a claim that a product works, I

immediately feel like an idiot for even trying a product that comes

with such a ridiculous claim.

Or maybe, I am just completely misunderstanding.

greg

> > > >

> > > > The symptoms people have are from the die off the MMS

causes, not

> > > > from the MMS itself. This was proven to me, as it's written in

> > the

> > > > book. My husband is very healthy while I have Hepatitis C. We

> > both

> > > > took 15 drops after 8 days of not taking MMS. I go ill,

vomiting

> > and

> > > > diarrhea, he experienced absolutely nothing. It was as if he

has

> > > > taken plain old water.

> > > >

> > > > When people take MMS, the sicker they are, they less they can

> > handle,

> > > > because as soon as it is in the body, it begins to seek out and

> > > > destroy pathogens. It is unstable and I guess you could say

> > stressed

> > > > out. So it wants to be stable, and in order to do that, it

needs

> > > > electrons from Pathogens. Electrons from healthy cells will not

> > help

> > > > it, so it doesn't bother with healthy cells.

> > > >

> > > > It is all based on pH.

> > > >

> > > > If you haven't already, I suggest you read the book. Part

one is

> > free

> > > > for the download and covers everything quite well. I don't

think

> > > > anyone has disagreed with the book yet.

> > > > http://miraclemineral.org

> > > >

> > > > Also, Adam Abraham has interviewed Jim Humble and is

shipping the

> > DVD

> > > > he made in December out this next week. I'm getting a copy of

> > > > Understanding MMS.

> > > >

> > > > http://www.phaelos.com/understanding_mms.htm

> > > >

> > > > What is toxic is not the MMS, it's the dead pathogens. The body

> > wants

> > > > them out, which is why a person needs to go slowly if they are

> > really

> > > > overloaded, such as those with Hepatitis, AIDS, Lyme, Cancer.

> > It's

> > > > all in the book. It's well worth a couple hours of your time.

> > > >

> > > > Kathy

> > > >

> > >

> >

>