Vaccinations

[Guest guest]

, I am a nurse practitioner. Yes, you can divide your child's

immunizations anyway you want. I usually recommend Hib (influenza that can

kill an infant--I have, sadly, seen this happen) at 2, 4, 6 months. Dtap

(pertussis is also very important and should be considered in early infancy

(we just admitted an infant with this--if you ever witness the lung spasms of

this infection, you would not think twice about immunizing) You could obtain

these at 3, 5, and 7 months. The whole focus in medicine is maximum

immunization with the least needles, visits and, hence, cost. Most people

don't have the time or inclination to take their infant in so many times in

the first year. Insurance may balk at the extra office visits and refuse to

pay. Your doctor/provider may only have combination vaccines available

(depending on the type of clinic). Polio can wait until after a year if you

wish (we don't really see cases of this in the U.S. anymore) and so can Hep.

B (unless there are risk factors such as visiting relatives in Mexico or

relatives who are carriers. MMR can be given separately. I have a son with

autism and don't know what I would do now. I have, unfortunately, seen

severe problems with measles and, while you could take a chance on " herd

immunity " (counting on most other parents to immunize their child so your

child does not come in contact with it) it's russian roulette no matter how

you look at it. Varicella (chicken pox) I advise my patients to give it if

their child has not had the disease by age 10. I hope this is helpful. If I

knew more specifics, I might be able to advise you on your options.

[Guest guest]

Shellsier, I was able to convince our pediatrician to at least delay the MMR.

My daughter is now twenty-two months. He is aware of the controversy. I

simply asked him to guarantee 100% that she would have no negative effects.

" Guarantee she won't be like my son. " I have asked that we wait until her

communication skills (verbal & nonverbal ) are well developed. I recently

had her evaluated by our states " Developmental Evaluation Center " to document

her development.She is normal in all areas. I have informed our pediatrician

that I will no longer give her a vaccine unless it is thimerosol free and We

want to have them seperated. We are waiting at least until she is 3.5 to

start MMR. I know many parents who have used religious objection as a way to

get around school requirements(works in my state) but we have to worry about

a large unvaccinated population in our area.This concerns our pediatrician.

If anyone knows specifically which manufactures produce seperate / thimerosol

free vaccines please let the group know!!!! Thanks JTOWENFAMILY@...

[Guest guest]

LINDA, THE PROBLEM I HAVE HERE IS THAT MY PEDIATRICIAN THINKS I AM

OVERREACTING. SHE EVEN HINTED THAT I DON'T TRUST HER-PERSONALLY I DON'T TRUST

ANY PEDIATRICIAN BECAUSE OF WHAT THE FIRST ONE DID TO MY SON. ANYWAY, I AM

NOW VERY INTIMIDATED BY HER. I THINK SHE THINKS I AM A THREAT TO HER BECAUSE

I ASK TOO MANY QUESTIONS . SHE HINTED THAT MAYBE I SHOULD GET ANOTHER

PEDIATRICIAN. THE PROBLEM HERE IS THAT I THINK ALL PEDIATRICIANS START OFF

TELLING PEOPLE THEY ARE OPEN-MINDED, BUT THEY REALLY AREN'T. IN OTHER WORDS

THEY ARE ALL THE SAME. THE SAD PART IS THAT NOT ONLY ARE YOU STRESSED OUT

OVER YOUR SITUATION , YOU HAVE ADDED STRESS TRYING TO FIND A PEDIATRICIAN WHO

KNOWS A LITTLE MORE THAN OMAXACIILIN OR ZINTHRAX! THANKS FOR RESPONDING.

MICHELLE

[Guest guest]

SORRY! HOW DO I GET THE MMR VACCINATION SEPARATED? WHERE COULD THAT BE DONE?

I AM DEADLY AFRAID OF THIS ONE BECAUSE MY SON HAS THE LEAKY GUT AND I AM

WAITING FOR THE RESULTS OF HIS MEASLE TITER. I WILL TRY ANYTHING TO HELP MY

HEALTHY DAUGHTER STAY HEALTHY. THANKS AGAIN. MICHELLE

[Guest guest]

HI. DO ALL STATES HAVE A DEVELOPMENTAL EVALUATION CENTER? YOU ARE VERY

FORTUNATE THAT YOU'RE DOCTOR IS OPEN-MINDED. MY DOCTOR SAID SHE IS BUT SHE

ISN'T. I REALLY UPDATED MYSELF WITH THE VACCINATION LINK TO AUTISM AND SHE

THINKS I AM OVERREACTING. SHE IS GETTING VERY ANGRY WITH ME BECAUSE I BRING

THINGS IN FOR HER TO READ, BUT SHE DOESN'T HAVE THE TIME! SHE SAYS I SHOULD

TRUST HER. YEA , RIGHT. YOU GIVE HER THE SHOT AND I GO HOME TO A TIME BOMB

AND YOU GO HOME IN YOUR MERCEDES. ANYWAY,SHE'S HINTED ME TO GET ANOTHER

PEDIATRICIAN, BUT I AM SURE THEY ARE ALL THE SAME. I WISH THEY KNEW A LITTLE

MORE THAN PRESCRIBING ANTIBIOTICS WHICH CAN ALSO PLAY A ROLE IN AUTISM.

THANKS FOR RESPONDING. MICHELLE

[Guest guest]

> Anyone know if any of the innoculations given when

> travelling such as yellow fever, cholera etc have

> thimerosal in them ?

> Is there a website which recaps what is in each

> vaccination by manufacturer ?

I don't know about the traveling vaccines, but here is a list of

ingredients for the general ones, with the manufacturer listed.

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Vaccine Ingredients and Contact Info

Dawn Winkler

Source: 1997 Physicians' Desk Reference

Toll Free Numbers can be called to obtain product inserts

This is a representative, not a comprehensive, list of the various types

of vaccines

Acel-Immune

DTaP

Diphtheria and Tetanus Toxoids and Acellular Pertussis Vaccine Adsorbed

Lederle Laboratories

1-800-934-5556

produced using formaldehyde, thimerosal, aluminum hydroxide, aluminum

phosphate, polysorbate 80, gelatin

Act HIB

Haemophilus Influenzae Type B (Hib) Tetanus Toxoid Conjugate

Connaught Laboratories

1-800-822-2463

produced using ammonium sulfate, formalin, sucrose, thimerosal

medium: semi-synthetic

Attenuvax

Measles Virus Vaccine Live

Merck & Co, Inc.

1-800-672-6372

produced using neomycin, sorbitol, hydrolized gelatin

medium: chick embryo

DPT

Diphtheria and Tetanus Toxoids and Pertussis Vaccine Adsorbed

Kline Beecham Pharmaceuticals

1-800-366-8900 ext. 5231

produced using aluminum phosphate, formaldehyde, ammonium sulfate,

washed sheep red blood cells, glycerol, sodium chloride, thimerosal

medium: porcine (pig) pancreatic hydrolysate of casein

Energix-B

Hepatitis B

Kline Beecham Pharmaceuticals

1-800-633-8900 ext. 5231

produced using aluminum hydroxide, thimerosal

medium: yeast (possibly 5% residual)

Havrix

Hepatitis A

Kline Beecham Pharmaceuticals

1-800-633-8900 ext. 5231

produced using formalin, aluminum hydroxide, phenoxyethanol

(antifreeze), polysorbate 20, residual MRC5 proteins (from medium)

medium: human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal

tissue)

Biavax

Rubella and Mumps Virus Vaccine Live

Merck & Co, Inc.

1-800-672-6372

produced using neomycin, sorbitol, hydrolized gelatin

medium: human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal

tissue)

HibTiter

Haemophilus Influenzae Type B (Hib)

Lederle Laboratories

1-800-934-5556

produced using polyribosylribitol, ammonium sulfate, thimerosal

medium: chemically defined, yeast based

Fluvirin

Influenza Virus Vaccine

Medeva Pharmaceuticals

1-888-MEDEVA

(716)274-5300

produced using embryonic fluid (chicken egg), neomycin, polymyxin,

thimerosal, betapropiolactone

medium: embryonic fluid (chicken egg)

FluShield

Influenza Virus Vaccine, Trivalent, Types A & B

Wyeth-Ayerst

1-800-934-5556

produced using gentamicin sulfate, formaldehyde, polysorbate 80,

tri(n)butylphosphate, thimerosal

medium: chick embryos

IPOL

Inactivated Polio Vaccine

Connaught Laboratories

1-800-822-2463

produced using 3 types of polio virus, formaldehyde, phenoxyethanol

(antifreeze), neomycin, streptomycin, polymyxin B

medium: VERO cells, a continuous line of monkey kidney cells

MMR

Measles Mumps Rubella Live Virus Vaccine

Merck & Co., Inc.

1-800-672-6372

produced using sorbitol, neomycin, hydrolyzed gelatin

mediums: M & M - chick embryo

Rubella - human diploid cells (originating from human aborted

fetal tissue)

M-R-Vax

Measles and Rubella Virus Vaccine Live

Merck & Co., Inc.

1-800-672-6372

produced using neomycin, sorbitol, hydrolyzed gelatin

mediums: M - chick embryo R - human diploid cells (originating

from human aborted fetal tissue)

Menomune

Meningococcal Polysaccharide Vaccine

Connaught Laboratories

1-800-822-2463

produced using thimerosal, lactose

medium: freeze dried polysaccharride antigens from Neisseria

Meningitidis

Meruvax II

Rubella Virus Vaccine Live

Merck & Co., Inc.

1-800-672-6372

produced using neomycin, sorbitol, hydrolyzed gelatin

medium: human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal

tissue)

Mumpsvax

Mumps Virus Vaccine Live

Merck & Co., Inc.

1-800-672-6372

produced using neomycin, sorbitol, hydrolyzed gelatin

medium: human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal

tissue)

Orimune

Poliovirus Vaccine Live Oral Trivalent

Lederle Laboratories

1-800-934-5556

produced using 3 types of attenuated polioviruses, streptomycin,

neomycin, calf serum, sorbitol

medium: monkey kidney cell culture

Pneumovax

Pneumococcal Vaccine Polyvalent

Merck & Co., Inc.

1-800-672-6372

produced using phenol and capsular polysaccharides from the 23 most

prevalent pneumococcal types

Imovax

Rabies Vaccine Adsorbed

Connaught Laboratories

1-800-822-2463

produced using human albumin, neomycin sulfate, phenol red indicator

medium: human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal

tissue)

Rabies Vaccine Adsorbed

Kline Beecham Pharmaceuticals

1-800-366-8900 ext. 5231

produced using betapropiolactone, aluminum phosphate, sodium

ethylmercurithiosalicylate (thimerosal), phenol red

medium: fetal rhesus monkey lung cells

Recombivax

Hepatitis B Vaccine Recombinant

Merck & Co., Inc.

1-800-672-6372

produced using thimerosal, aluminum hydroxide

medium: yeast (residual < 1% yeast protein)

RotaShield

Rotavirus Vaccine, Live, Oral, Tetravalent

Wyeth-Ayerst Laboratories

1-800-934-5556

produced using 1 rhesus monkey rotavirus, 3 rhesus-human reassortant

viruses, sucrose, monosodium glutamate (MSG), potassium monophosphate,

potassium diphosphate, fetal bovine serum, neomycin sulfate,

amphotericin B

medium: fetal rhesus diploid cell line

Varivax

Varicella Virus Vaccine Live

Merck & Co., Inc.

1-800-672-6372

produced using sucrose, phosphate, glutamate, processed gelatin

medium: human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal

tissue)

Chemical Profiles and Definitions, visit www.scorecard.org to

investigate chemical profiles

Sources: EDF (Environmental Defense Fund) & MME (Mosby's Medical

Encyclopdia)

Ammonium Sulfate: EDF Suspected - gastrointestinal or liver toxicant

neurotoxicant

respiratory toxicant

Amphotericin B: MME definintion - " a drug used to treat fungus

infections. Known allergy to this drug prohibits use. Side effects include

blood

clots, blood defects, kidney problems, nausea and

fever. When used on the skin, allergic reactions can occur. "

Aluminum: EDF Suspected - cardiovascular or blood toxicant

neurotoxicant respiratory toxicant

More hazardous than most chemicals in 2 out of 6 ranking systems

On at least 2 federal regulatory lists

Beta-Propiolactone: EDF Recognized - carcinogen

EDF Suspected - gastrointestinal or liver toxicant

respiratory toxicant

skin or sense organ toxicant

More hazardous than most chemicals in 3 out of 3 ranking systems

On at least 5 federal regulatory lists

Ranked as one of the most hazardous

compounds (worst 10%) to humans

Formaldehyde: EDF Recognized - carcinogen

Suspected - gastrointestinal or liver toxicant

immunotoxicant

neurotoxicant

reproductive toxicant

respiratory toxicant

skin or sense organ toxicant

More hazardous than most chemicals in 5 out of 12 ranking systems

On at least 8 federal regulatory lists

Ranked as one of the most hazardous compounds (worst 10%)

to ecosystems and human health

Gentamicin Sulfate: an antibiotic

Hydrolyzed Gelatin: obtained from selected pieces of calf and cattle

skins, de-mineralized cattle bones (ossein) and porkskin

Neomycin: an antibiotic

Phenol : EDF Suspected - cardiovascular or blood

toxicant aka Carbolic Acid

developmental toxicant

gastrointestinal or liver toxicant

kidney toxicant

neurotoxicant

respiratory toxicant skin or sense organ toxicant

More hazardous than most chemicals in 3 out of 10 ranking systems

On at least 8 federal regulatory lists

Phenoxyethanol: EDF Suspected - developmental toxicant

aka Antifreeze

reproductive toxicant

Less hazardous than most chemicals in 3 ranking systems

Polyribosylribitol: a component of the Hib bacterium

Polymyxin: an antibiotic

Polysorbate: EDF Suspected - skin or sense organ toxicant

Sorbitol: EDF Suspected - gastrointestinal or liver toxicant

Less hazardous than most chemicals in 1 ranking system

Streptomycin: an antibiotic

Sucrose: refined sugar

Thimerosal: EDF Recognized - development toxicant

Suspected - skin or sense organ toxicant

Tri(n)butylphosphate: EDF Suspected - kidney toxicant

neurotoxicant

More hazardous than most chemicals in 2 out of 3

ranking systems

On at least 1 federal regulatory list

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rochester@...

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" Before many can know something, one must know it.

I am in revolt against the old lie that the majority is always right. "

-- Henrik Ibsen

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[Guest guest]

Oooh, a possible link... my parents travelled extensively in

Europe and I was born overseas (Morocco). I'm sure they had lots of

immunizations before travelling and I got a lot, too. Anybody else

have a greater-than-avg load of vax for this reason?

Terri

At 05:43 AM 7/18/00 -0700, you wrote:

>Anyone know if any of the innoculations given when

>travelling such as yellow fever, cholera etc have

>thimerosal in them ?

>Is there a website which recaps what is in each

>vaccination by manufacturer ?

>

>thx

>paul

>

>__________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

My hubby went to Hong Kong for 2 years and recieved numerous vacs, he can't remember what they were, but I am sure they weren't the routine.

Kathy

Re: [ ] VaccinationsOooh, a possible link... my parents travelled extensively in Europe and I was born overseas (Morocco). I'm sure they had lots of immunizations before travelling and I got a lot, too. Anybody else have a greater-than-avg load of vax for this reason?TerriAt 05:43 AM 7/18/00 -0700, you wrote:>Anyone know if any of the innoculations given when>travelling such as yellow fever, cholera etc have>thimerosal in them ?>Is there a website which recaps what is in each>vaccination by manufacturer ?>>thx>paul>>__________________________________________________>

[Guest guest]

Yes. I grew up overseas and had lots of vax as a result. We got the good ones--yellow fever, typhoid, cholera. I don't know about the thimeresol content of these, though.

Barb

Re: [ ] VaccinationsOooh, a possible link... my parents travelled extensively in Europe and I was born overseas (Morocco). I'm sure they had lots of immunizations before travelling and I got a lot, too. Anybody else have a greater-than-avg load of vax for this reason?TerriAt 05:43 AM 7/18/00 -0700, you wrote:>Anyone know if any of the innoculations given when>travelling such as yellow fever, cholera etc have>thimerosal in them ?>Is there a website which recaps what is in each>vaccination by manufacturer ?>>thx>paul>>__________________________________________________>

[Guest guest]

>From: " Barb Romkema " <jromkema@...>

>Reply- egroups

>< egroups>

>Subject: Re: [ ] Vaccinations

>Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 10:39:03 -0700

>

>Yes. I grew up overseas and had lots of vax as a result. We got the good

>ones--yellow fever, typhoid, cholera. I don't know about the thimeresol

>content of these, though.

>Barb

> Re: [ ] Vaccinations

>

>

> Oooh, a possible link... my parents travelled extensively in Europe

>and I was born overseas (Morocco). I'm sure they had lots of immunizations

>before travelling and I got a lot, too. Anybody else have a

>greater-than-avg load of vax for this reason?

>

> Terri

>

> At 05:43 AM 7/18/00 -0700, you wrote:

> >Anyone know if any of the innoculations given when

> >travelling such as yellow fever, cholera etc have

> >thimerosal in them ?

> >Is there a website which recaps what is in each

> >vaccination by manufacturer ?

> >

> >thx

> >paul

You could try the following sites for information:-

http://www.whaleto.freeserve.co.uk/vaccines.html

http://www.909shot.com

Best wishes,

Margaret.

> >

> >__________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

When someone on the list mentioned gamma globulin, I thought to myself,

" another piece of the puzzle " . I had one of a 3-part series of

gammaglobulin shots prior to my trip to Paraguay, South America in 1980. I

never followed up on having the others, also stopped taking the medication

to guard against malaria shortly after I arrived. Luckily, the clinic I

went to wrote a letter of contraindication for the smallpox vaccine, so I

didn't get that! I'd have to check records to see if I had to have the ones

for yellow fever and cholera.

On Mon, 24 Jul 2000 20:36:07 +0000, egroups wrote:

> Oooh, a possible link... Anybody else have a greater-than-avg load of

> vax for this reason?

>

> Terri

>

> At 05:43 AM 7/18/00 -0700, you wrote:

> >Anyone know if any of the innoculations given when

> >travelling such as yellow fever, cholera etc have

> >thimerosal in them ?

> >Is there a website which recaps what is in each

> >vaccination by manufacturer ?

> >

> >thx

> >paul

> >

> >__________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

Hello,

-It looks like in the years you were looking at, Hep B., Hib, and DTP

or Dtap all had thimerosal. Check out the link:

www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimerosal.htm#t3

Hope this helps!

Elaine

-- In @y..., " theovol90 " <tedpark1@e...> wrote:

> I have the lot numbers and manufacuter of my little girl's

(autistic)

> vaccinations. Is there a list of which vaccinations had thimerosal

> from 1994 to 1999. I can locate the current list but not any from

> that time period. Any suggestions.

>

> Thanks,

>

> TP

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

My Lacey, who was also a preemie (34 weeks, 3.1 lbs) had an adverse reaction

to vaccinations. The doctors at the time told me that her febrile seizure

couldn't have been from the vaccines it had been too long since she had them

(2 weeks). They amazingly couldn't find the reason for the seizure though,

even after taking blood, urine, chest x-rays, and a CT scan. The vaccines

she had at the time were DpaT, HIB, IPV, and Prevnar. As far as I'm concerned,

there's no doubt as to what caused this seizure. Lacey also was saying words

before the seizure that I have never heard since. She has recently been

diagnosed with apraxia, oral hypotonia and sensory issues.

nancy

Hi all I have aquestion in reference to all vaccinations!!!!

Has anyone in this group had actual adverse reaction from vaccinating???

Thanks for all input!!

, MOM to Aidan & Devlin former 30 weeker preemies, now 2 years,

global delays, NO speech!!

Desperate to hear the word MOMMY!!!!!

[Guest guest]

Yes.

When ronald was 20 months he received his MMR. With in 10 days he had 3

grand mal seizures and regressed in all of his activities. His therapists

noted in their reports that it was just like he had never had any therapiies

what so ever. he quit speaking, walking, gross motor everything it was like

having a 1 year old again.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Yes.

My son was talking , walking , developing absoloutely normally ,

passed all his developmental milestones. He had his MMR at 18mths and

was " off colour " for a week or so .He never spoke again. Within a

month he was " playing up " , tantruming, and behaving oddly. We were

seriously worrried within two months and we pretty much knew he was

autistic within about three. He was diagnosed formally about six

months later. Because we KNOW it was vaccine damage we investigated

and have had great success with gfcf and candida treatment. I am

investigating chelation as I think the mercury in his other

injections weakened his system before the MMR did its dreadful damage.

Regards

Deborah

> Hi all I have aquestion in reference to all vaccinations!!!!

> Has anyone in this group had actual adverse reaction from

vaccinating???

> Thanks for all input!!

>

> , MOM to Aidan & Devlin former 30 weeker preemies, now 2

years,

> global delays, NO speech!!

> Desperate to hear the word MOMMY!!!!!

[Guest guest]

Thank you so much for getting back to me....i was looking for just this

kind of information......Curious about the entire vacc thing...especially

with incidence of apraxia, SID, and autism spectrum on the rise....

Hugs,

[Guest guest]

Thanks Deborah,

I was worried about all of this as we started to lag developmentally too....

[Guest guest]

Yes, my 17 month old had 80 words of speech and lost all of it within

6 weeks of DPT and MMR vaccinations. I didn't connect it until he was 5

and I was looking at his baby book for one reason or another...he's been

diagnosed with autism. Then in Kindergarten I allowed him to do the Hep B

series and we're still trying to recover from that fiasco. This time his

behavioral issues (stimming and obsessive disorder) took a major turn for

the worst. He just turned 8 recently. I will no longer allow him to receive

vaccinations. PERIOD.

Tammy

>Hi all I have aquestion in reference to all vaccinations!!!!

>Has anyone in this group had actual adverse reaction from vaccinating???

>Thanks for all input!!

[Guest guest]

Thanks Tammy.....I have another question to all....Why do you think this

happens to some; but not all children!???

I know that there have been many instances......and I am wondering if anyone

has actually looked into this!!!

Thanks again.

[Guest guest]

-Hi ,

If you think there is a connection there may be something that you

can do.

For a child who seems to have declined following MMR or high use of

anti-biotics ( ie ear infections) they can VERY often be helped with

gfcf diet ( and/or enzymes ) which prevent the problems with the gut

affecting the brain. With MMR the measles virus seems to colonise and

damage the lining of the gut allowing certain foods to leak into the

bloodstream. With high use anti-biotics the child will often have had

a yeast or candida infection which does the same thing - breaks down

and damages the lining of the gut. If you treat for candida with

nystatin and a good pro-biotic this can help.

If you feel that the injections are to blame this is often the

mercury ( Thimerosal) content. Mercury can be removed from the body

but it is complicated. You can find out how to test and where to get

help at group " Autismmercury " .

The info about dietary intervention is growing rapidly and I

personnaly ( and many friends ) are having great success- it may be

worth a try !!

Regards

Deborah

-- In @y..., crooksbums@a... wrote:

> Thanks Deborah,

> I was worried about all of this as we started to lag

developmentally too....

>

[Guest guest]

thanks for jumping in as you say!!!!

I appreciate all the information I can get about this .

Hugs and thanks again!!!

,

Mom to Aidan & Devlin, 30 weekers, now 2 years, IUGR, TTTS, Apnea

(resolved), Bradycardia (resolved), ROP (resolved), pulmonary Stenosis,

intrahepatic portal shunt (liver now resolved), delayed in every area (

global delays), speech delays...now looking into apraxia......

But HAPPY, BEAUTIFUL baby boys.....a constant inspiration and source of joy

to their parents.

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

I thought I would jump in here with a little bit of information.

Apparently one of the theories is that some people may have a genetic

predisposition to having a weak Metallothionein Protein (MT). The protein

may be weak originally or also may be damaged by certain factors. The

mercury in the vaccines is thought to be one of the possible factors. There

are others as well. One of the other ideas is that the material in silver

amalgam fillings (silver and mercury) could be causing difficulties for

some. California has some progressive legislation on notifying people of

potential dangers in such amalgams.

When the metallothionein protein is not working, the body has a very hard

time detoxifying certain factors that in an otherwise healthy body might

not cause harm.

Depending on the age when the metallothionein protein is weakened, and the

severity with which it is weakened, the effects can vary. If a child is

still in utero, there could be birth anomalies. If the child is a little

older, but pre-verbal, there could be autism. If the child is still older

perhaps the effects could be seen as behavioral issues or ADHD. And, there

is some thought that this condition could be related to the chronic fatigue

issues.

One of the centers evaluating this theory is The Pfeiffer Treatment Center

in Chicago. Their theory is that the MT can actually be boosted by

utilizing among other things, zinc and amino acids.

For some, an indicator that they have problems with metals (such as the

mercury in the vaccines) could be a sensitivity to metals when worn in jewelry.

This is still a theory, but would seem to hold promise for some if it

proves to be accurate.

California

wrote:

>Thanks Tammy.....I have another question to all....Why do you think this

>happens to some; but not all children!???

>I know that there have been many instances......and I am wondering if anyone

>has actually looked into this!!!

>Thanks again.

>

>

[Guest guest]

we did not vaccinate our daughter, who is 10mos old now. for us the

decision was very easy, both because several of my friends have not

vaccinated any of their children (the oldest of them is now 7) and even

though they live in boston and are exposed to lots of people, they have

been just fine. secondly, we live a fairly isolated life - we don't

interact with people on a daily basis, which really mitigates our risk

(especially in terms of the flu, for example.) finally, i did a ton of

research. most of my books are packed right now, but i'll dig them out

tomorrow if you like. the paraphrasing of what i learned was that most

vaccines fall into one of two categories: either they're not terribly

effective (ie, whooping cough) because by now the ailment has mutated

enough to get around the vaccine, or they're not actually required to

happen before exposure - which is to say, even after you've been exposed

you could still get the vaccine and have it be useful. granted, for that

category, you have to be really super aware of your exposure, but still.

finally, many of the vaccines are not as critical these days because if you

did get the illness, there are also medicines that will help you. (ok. this

has been some serious paraphrasing, but that's the overview.)

when i started out the research, my plan was to weed out the vaccines that

weren't " absolutely necessary " , and only give her the " important ones " . but

in the end i found that there was nothing that fell into the category of

" necessary " !

it's still a hard decision, because a sick baby is a sick baby and the

thought of that is really scary. on the other hand, there's not a single

moment that we've regretted our decision. amber has never been to a

allopathic doctor, though we do have a naturopath, and she's never been

sick. hopefully it will stay that way! i breastfeed, we do plan to expose

her to chicken pox when she's old enough, we let her " play with germs " , and

so far her immune system seems to be building up great....

At 09:35 PM 1/27/2004, you wrote:

>Hello Chat members,

>

>I am a new mother and am trying to learn more about vaccinations. I

>am weary of giving my baby ALL of the vaccinations that are

>traditionally given, especially at only 2 months old. I have done

>some research, but am looking for more input, suggested reading,

>and/or personal experiences that might shed some light.

>

>Thank you in advance,

>

>Jael

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Katja, the informal summary you give is actually succinct and logical. Usually

one

hears the 'nature knows best' argument which is spiritual but not really

science-based

(what about smallpox and bubonic plagues? nature alone did not take care of

those

epidemic victims). So, I'd love to know what books you read on the subject

because I

am on a budget (can buy one book), 8 mo. pregnant in an urban area!

Daphne

> >Hello Chat members,

> >

> >I am a new mother and am trying to learn more about vaccinations. I

> >am weary of giving my baby ALL of the vaccinations that are

> >traditionally given, especially at only 2 months old. I have done

> >some research, but am looking for more input, suggested reading,

> >and/or personal experiences that might shed some light.

> >

> >Thank you in advance,

> >

> >Jael

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

my favorite was:

what your doctor may not tell you about children's vaccinations, stephanie

cave, md.

it includes information about how vaccines were discovered/developed, their

ingredients, how they work in the body, and then they detail each vaccine

individually - in these chapters, they discuss the disease itself, the

symptoms of the disease, how it would be treated without the vaccine, the

vaccine and its components, the possible risks of the vaccine, and what you

should watch for after vaccination in terms of adverse reactions, should

you choose to get that vaccine. it is extremely well documented, so if you

read something that strikes you oddly, you can follow it up. also, it has a

chapter about the law and your rights regarding vaccination.

another good book was vaccinations: a thoughtful parent's guide, aviva jill

romm, a certified midwife. it's a pretty nice book, but it spends a lot of

time talking about alternatives (ie, homeopathic medicine, herbs, and

nutrition) and only about half the book is about vaccinations. if you have

mostly already made up your mind not to vaccinate, then this is a great

book. but if you haven't completely made up your mind one way or another,

or if you have but you feel that you're going to need to defend your

decision to other people who may be skeptical, the book by dr. cave is

probably better because it is objective and extremely in-depth (but still

quite readable.)

At 01:52 AM 1/30/2004, you wrote:

>Katja, the informal summary you give is actually succinct and

>logical. Usually one

>hears the 'nature knows best' argument which is spiritual but not really

>science-based

>(what about smallpox and bubonic plagues? nature alone did not take care

>of those

>epidemic victims). So, I'd love to know what books you read on the

>subject because I

>am on a budget (can buy one book), 8 mo. pregnant in an urban area!

>

>Daphne

>

>

>

> > >Hello Chat members,

> > >

> > >I am a new mother and am trying to learn more about vaccinations. I

> > >am weary of giving my baby ALL of the vaccinations that are

> > >traditionally given, especially at only 2 months old. I have done

> > >some research, but am looking for more input, suggested reading,

> > >and/or personal experiences that might shed some light.

> > >

> > >Thank you in advance,

> > >

> > >Jael

> > >

> > >

> > >