Guest guest Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 That's my experience too with regards to the use of cilantro.... Loving the taste of it and realising it was the main ingredient in the 'poor man's chelator', I stepped up the use of cilantro. Although I consume lots of water to help flush the body, the water doesn't really help to bind the dislodged toxins and mercury for elimination. You will know if the toxins etc hang around in your system because of the fatigue that lingers. Hanneke At 01:07 PM 27/01/2008, you wrote: >As fas as cilantro goes, it is very good at knocking toxins/mercury >loose, but I've heard many times that you need to accompany it with a >good chelator/binder like chlorella or NCD so toxins don't get >redistributed in the body. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 Hi Lorraine, Very interesting. I'll have to remember that since occasionally I get questioned about hemocromatosis. Learn something new everyday! Distilled water will leach all minerals so just be sure you're replacing all but iron. I've muscle tested hundreds of people with various types of water and distilled always saps energy from the body. RO is just as bad. I'll post a water file in the files from Hallelujah Acres that explains all about distilled and RO. If you have some spare money you might consider investing in a unit that turns the water into a hexagon shape. It gets into the cells and cleans them nicely but won't sap your body of energy. There's various brands that essentially do the same thing but the water is more alkaline than distilled and less harsh on the body. When I bought mine my whole body gave off a rather unpleasant odor for three weeks. Everything through my skin of course! Sharon > > Hello Sharon, Just my comment here about getting rid of heavy metals from > the body. I have hemochromatosis, (iron overload), and heard that drinking > distilled water helped rid the body of some metals. I have been drinking > only distilled water, using it for cooking, cleaning teeth, washing etc, and > my ferritin levels have dropped for the first time in years by about 200 > points over a period of about 5 months. I have not changed anything else, > just drinking the distilled water, so I am wondering if it would also be > helpful in getting rid of mercury, or other heavy metals. I know distilled > water gets some bad press, but I have found it helpful in my case at least. > Probably won't drink it exclusively after my next blood test, even if my > ferritin is down even further, but short term it might help. Just a thought. > Regards. Lorraine. > > > > > MMS isn't a chelator. Only if you have very good liver, kidney and > > bowel function will heavy metals be coming out. It's possible to > > damage your liver and kidneys by attempting to remove metals without a > > safe chelator especially if you have existing amalgams. > > > > I had a serious liver problem and all detoxes and treatments would > > leave me with rashes and fatigue. Nothing was getting past my liver. > > I used Natural Cellular Defense and it did for me what over $20000 > > worth of other treatments didn't do and it didn't leave me with rashes > > or pimples. > > > > After getting out my amalgams, the chelation doc who is top in his > > field in Germany and is author of a chelation textbook, told me he > > couldn't do it on me since it would hurt me, perhaps permanently. My > > liver and kidneys were in too bad a condition. Since educating myself > > on this subject I've met many people whose chelation docs have not > > bothered doing the testing beforehand!!! Please be aware of this. > > Doctors have lost their licenses due to patient deaths with chelation. > > I was googling a delicensed doctor and found this out recently. > > > > With plugged lymphs I would suggest using a homepathic remedy from > > Pascoe called Lymphdiaral. Use the cream and the drops internally. > > Or do some Aqua Chi or Ion Cleanse treatments and use NCD (listen to > > the recording on www.ncdpro.com/detoxqueen to hear exactly how it > > works and compares to other chelation from a doctor). The footbath > > will really help the lymphs and the NCD will remove the mercury from > > your body but will not leach it from your existing amalgams. > > > > Swollen prostate is due to toxins!!!! Don't let this get worse. You > > need something to carry the heavy metals out of your body. The MMS > > will work much better in a body that isn't so toxic. Your liver > > function needs to improve to get rid of the toxins. > > > > You can't " neutralize " a heavy metal. It needs to come out. It's > > possible to overload your body. Hepeel homepathic ampules will also > > help to support the liver but detox is crucial. It could save your life. > > > > Sharon > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 I used 10 drops 3 times a day for the first six weeks or so. I noticed a dramatic difference on about day nine. It was like a cloud lifted from my brain and I could think, concentrate and remember things again. The more toxic a person is the more important to take enough of it to do the job right. Many people, especially those who are sensitive to other substances tend to start with a very low amount and they feel sick. The NCD will continually pull toxins into the bloodstream via it's negative electrical charge and although there is a lot of room in its cage-like molecule there's not enough room in a drop or two to mop up the toxins from a very toxic person like those with arthritis, fibromyalgia, CF, MCS or other such " illnesses " that are really symptoms of toxicity. Quite a few have reported that as soon as they upped the amount to at least 10 drops 3 x a day that their detox symptoms are gone. It's crucial to drink a lot of water with the NCD. I felt very dehydrated the first day despite drinking lots. Some toxins are stored in water and excess water just all comes out so it's important to drink lots to replace it. Typically 6 weeks is about average for toxin removal and that amount is for an average size person. For someone large (over 200 lbs) I would increase the amount and/or take it more frequently (4 times a day). I buy it at wholesale from the company: www.detoxqueen.com. Anyone can do this. Don't be scared off by the " Distributor " terminology. Most people are simply wholesale customers. I suggest looking at the links file and getting familiar with how it works and what it does. Sharon #2 > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree, Not sure if MMS will take out " every " heavy matal and > toxin, > > > > But I bet it takes lots of them out. I know I have a mercury > problem, > > > > How....., You ask.?, Because I have a mouth full of amalgams. > And I > > > > have all the nice little side effects that mercury causes. The > past > > > > few years I find myself with plugged lymphatics, Swollen > prostate and > > > > locked up lower back plus many other symptoms to numerous to > mention > > > > here. When I started the MMS I started getting rashes over my > lower > > > > back and over my tummy which lies right over the prostate area. > Little > > > > red bumps and itching like crazy. I saw this and see this for > what it > > > > is, Simply a detox reaction. Because as this happens I > expierence > > > > relief in that area. I see so many posts here about killing > microbes > > > > and bugs but very little about heavy metals. I don't think MMS " S > > > > effects would last long if it only killed microbes and left > heavy > > > > metals in your system, As heavy metals breeds and supports the > nasty > > > > little critters.If we are taking MMS to kill microbes only, And > that > > > > " is " all MMS does, Then are we not just treating the > symptoms..? On > > > > the other hand, If MMS neutralizes heavy metals, Pesticides and > other > > > > toxins as well as killing the microbes, Then we are attempting > to > > > > treat the cause. This is what I am hoping MMS doe's. I see it > as a > > > > toxin neutralizer as well as a microbe killer. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 Very interesting about singing to the water. Hope it's not heavy metal, LOL! I think you can also do a lot with just placing a magnet under the glass of water for a few minutes before using. This will also condition wine by the way and raise the pH. I'm looking for a new place to live and NZ looks to be about the best country I've come up with so far. I would love to email or chat with you off-list if you have some time. If you want, just email me! Sharon #2 > >> > >> Hello Sharon, Just my comment here about getting rid of heavy > > metals from > >> the body. I have hemochromatosis, (iron overload), and heard that > > drinking > >> distilled water helped rid the body of some metals. I have been > > drinking > >> only distilled water, using it for cooking, cleaning teeth, washing > > etc, and > >> my ferritin levels have dropped for the first time in years by about > > 200 > >> points over a period of about 5 months. I have not changed anything > > else, > >> just drinking the distilled water, so I am wondering if it would > > also be > >> helpful in getting rid of mercury, or other heavy metals. I know > > distilled > >> water gets some bad press, but I have found it helpful in my case at > > least. > >> Probably won't drink it exclusively after my next blood test, even > > if my > >> ferritin is down even further, but short term it might help. Just a > > thought. > >> Regards. Lorraine. > >> > >> > >> > >> > MMS isn't a chelator. Only if you have very good liver, kidney and > >> > bowel function will heavy metals be coming out. It's possible to > >> > damage your liver and kidneys by attempting to remove metals without a > >> > safe chelator especially if you have existing amalgams. > >> > > >> > I had a serious liver problem and all detoxes and treatments would > >> > leave me with rashes and fatigue. Nothing was getting past my liver. > >> > I used Natural Cellular Defense and it did for me what over $20000 > >> > worth of other treatments didn't do and it didn't leave me with rashes > >> > or pimples. > >> > > >> > After getting out my amalgams, the chelation doc who is top in his > >> > field in Germany and is author of a chelation textbook, told me he > >> > couldn't do it on me since it would hurt me, perhaps permanently. My > >> > liver and kidneys were in too bad a condition. Since educating myself > >> > on this subject I've met many people whose chelation docs have not > >> > bothered doing the testing beforehand!!! Please be aware of this. > >> > Doctors have lost their licenses due to patient deaths with chelation. > >> > I was googling a delicensed doctor and found this out recently. > >> > > >> > With plugged lymphs I would suggest using a homepathic remedy from > >> > Pascoe called Lymphdiaral. Use the cream and the drops internally. > >> > Or do some Aqua Chi or Ion Cleanse treatments and use NCD (listen to > >> > the recording on www.ncdpro.com/detoxqueen to hear exactly how it > >> > works and compares to other chelation from a doctor). The footbath > >> > will really help the lymphs and the NCD will remove the mercury from > >> > your body but will not leach it from your existing amalgams. > >> > > >> > Swollen prostate is due to toxins!!!! Don't let this get worse. You > >> > need something to carry the heavy metals out of your body. The MMS > >> > will work much better in a body that isn't so toxic. Your liver > >> > function needs to improve to get rid of the toxins. > >> > > >> > You can't " neutralize " a heavy metal. It needs to come out. It's > >> > possible to overload your body. Hepeel homepathic ampules will also > >> > help to support the liver but detox is crucial. It could save > > your life. > >> > > >> > Sharon > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 i don't see any wholesale pricing on NCD at www.detoxqueen.com i guess you mean to go elsewhere to become enrolled as a distributor, then you get the " wholesale " pricing and can offer it like sharon hoehner does? oh, i see, it costs $30 to sign up as a distributor, then yearly $15. i wonder if http://www.zeolitedepot.com the same as NCD? > -----Original Message----- > > I buy it at wholesale from the company: www.detoxqueen.com. Anyone > can do this. Don't be scared off by the " Distributor " terminology. > Most people are simply wholesale customers. I suggest looking at the > links file and getting familiar with how it works and what it does. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 What is the name of the machine you bought? -- [ ] Re: Does MMS remove toxins? Hi Lorraine, Very interesting. I'll have to remember that since occasionally I get questioned about hemocromatosis. Learn something new everyday! Distilled water will leach all minerals so just be sure you're replacing all but iron. I've muscle tested hundreds of people with various types of water and distilled always saps energy from the body. RO is just as bad. I'll post a water file in the files from Hallelujah Acres that explains all about distilled and RO. If you have some spare money you might consider investing in a unit that turns the water into a hexagon shape. It gets into the cells and cleans them nicely but won't sap your body of energy. There's various brands that essentially do the same thing but the water is more alkaline than distilled and less harsh on the body. When I bought mine my whole body gave off a rather unpleasant odor for three weeks. Everything through my skin of course! Sharon > > Hello Sharon, Just my comment here about getting rid of heavy metals from > the body. I have hemochromatosis, (iron overload), and heard that drinking > distilled water helped rid the body of some metals. I have been drinking > only distilled water, using it for cooking, cleaning teeth, washing etc, and > my ferritin levels have dropped for the first time in years by about 200 > points over a period of about 5 months. I have not changed anything else, > just drinking the distilled water, so I am wondering if it would also be > helpful in getting rid of mercury, or other heavy metals. I know distilled > water gets some bad press, but I have found it helpful in my case at least. > Probably won't drink it exclusively after my next blood test, even if my > ferritin is down even further, but short term it might help. Just a thought. > Regards. Lorraine. > > > > > MMS isn't a chelator. Only if you have very good liver, kidney and > > bowel function will heavy metals be coming out. It's possible to > > damage your liver and kidneys by attempting to remove metals without a > > safe chelator especially if you have existing amalgams. > > > > I had a serious liver problem and all detoxes and treatments would > > leave me with rashes and fatigue. Nothing was getting past my liver. > > I used Natural Cellular Defense and it did for me what over $20000 > > worth of other treatments didn't do and it didn't leave me with rashes > > or pimples. > > > > After getting out my amalgams, the chelation doc who is top in his > > field in Germany and is author of a chelation textbook, told me he > > couldn't do it on me since it would hurt me, perhaps permanently. My > > liver and kidneys were in too bad a condition. Since educating myself > > on this subject I've met many people whose chelation docs have not > > bothered doing the testing beforehand!!! Please be aware of this. > > Doctors have lost their licenses due to patient deaths with chelation. > > I was googling a delicensed doctor and found this out recently. > > > > With plugged lymphs I would suggest using a homepathic remedy from > > Pascoe called Lymphdiaral. Use the cream and the drops internally. > > Or do some Aqua Chi or Ion Cleanse treatments and use NCD (listen to > > the recording on www.ncdpro.com/detoxqueen to hear exactly how it > > works and compares to other chelation from a doctor). The footbath > > will really help the lymphs and the NCD will remove the mercury from > > your body but will not leach it from your existing amalgams. > > > > Swollen prostate is due to toxins!!!! Don't let this get worse. You > > need something to carry the heavy metals out of your body. The MMS > > will work much better in a body that isn't so toxic. Your liver > > function needs to improve to get rid of the toxins. > > > > You can't "neutralize" a heavy metal. It needs to come out. It's > > possible to overload your body. Hepeel homepathic ampules will also > > help to support the liver but detox is crucial. It could save your life. > > > > Sharon > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 When you click the link to your "wholesale" supplier it takes you right to the Waiora website. This stuff is extremely expensive. There are other zeolite products on the market that are cheaper and just as effective. Lately I have been using HM Nano-Detox. It has been working wonders for my mercury issue and is a lot cheaper. It says to use I/2 tsp 2x/day. But I have been using a 1 tsp. 4x/day with great results. My head fog has cleared up and I feel like a real person again. And it did not take 3 weeks, only a few days. I also sauna and take loads of regular cholerlla before I get in the sauna. I just people to know there are other, cheaper options out there. S -- [ ] Re: Does MMS remove toxins? I used 10 drops 3 times a day for the first six weeks or so. I noticed a dramatic difference on about day nine. It was like a cloud lifted from my brain and I could think, concentrate and remember things again. The more toxic a person is the more important to take enough of it to do the job right. Many people, especially those who are sensitive to other substances tend to start with a very low amount and they feel sick. The NCD will continually pull toxins into the bloodstream via it's negative electrical charge and although there is a lot of room in its cage-like molecule there's not enough room in a drop or two to mop up the toxins from a very toxic person like those with arthritis, fibromyalgia, CF, MCS or other such "illnesses" that are really symptoms of toxicity. Quite a few have reported that as soon as they upped the amount to at least 10 drops 3 x a day that their detox symptoms are gone. It's crucial to drink a lot of water with the NCD. I felt very dehydrated the first day despite drinking lots. Some toxins are stored in water and excess water just all comes out so it's important to drink lots to replace it. Typically 6 weeks is about average for toxin removal and that amount is for an average size person. For someone large (over 200 lbs) I would increase the amount and/or take it more frequently (4 times a day). I buy it at wholesale from the company: www.detoxqueen.com. Anyone can do this. Don't be scared off by the "Distributor" terminology. Most people are simply wholesale customers. I suggest looking at the links file and getting familiar with how it works and what it does. Sharon #2 > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree, Not sure if MMS will take out "every" heavy matal and > toxin, > > > > But I bet it takes lots of them out. I know I have a mercury > problem, > > > > How....., You ask.?, Because I have a mouth full of amalgams. > And I > > > > have all the nice little side effects that mercury causes. The > past > > > > few years I find myself with plugged lymphatics, Swollen > prostate and > > > > locked up lower back plus many other symptoms to numerous to > mention > > > > here. When I started the MMS I started getting rashes over my > lower > > > > back and over my tummy which lies right over the prostate area. > Little > > > > red bumps and itching like crazy. I saw this and see this for > what it > > > > is, Simply a detox reaction. Because as this happens I > expierence > > > > relief in that area. I see so many posts here about killing > microbes > > > > and bugs but very little about heavy metals. I don't think MMS"S > > > > effects would last long if it only killed microbes and left > heavy > > > > metals in your system, As heavy metals breeds and supports the > nasty > > > > little critters.If we are taking MMS to kill microbes only, And > that > > > > "is" all MMS does, Then are we not just treating the > symptoms..? On > > > > the other hand, If MMS neutralizes heavy metals, Pesticides and > other > > > > toxins as well as killing the microbes, Then we are attempting > to > > > > treat the cause. This is what I am hoping MMS doe's. I see it > as a > > > > toxin neutralizer as well as a microbe killer. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 Hi Lorraine, Just a few other thoughts from my research (a long time ago) about blocking the absorption of iron, rather than " rinsing " it out afterwards. Phytates in grains that are eaten unyeasted combine with iron so it's not absorbed. There's something in tea that does the same...phytates or tannic acid, can't remember which. Also, make sure you don't ingest vitamin C or foods high in it, at the same time that you eat high iron foods. Vita C enhances the absorption of iron. You may already know this, but don't use any iron cookware. It leaches into foods that are cooked in it. My serum iron was high at one time I think because I cooked often in an iron skillet. Hope this helps a bit, Avril In , " Lorrainel " <lorries@...> wrote: > > Hello Sharon, Thankyou for your reply. Interesting comment about a unit that > turns water into a hexagon shape. I have heard about all kinds of things > that change the shape of water molecules, such as singing to the water > before drinking it! I have no way of knowing if it works on changing the > shape of the water molecules, but I am sure the water tasted sweeter! (All > in the mind, maybe)! I live in New Zealand, and purchasing equipment of any > unusual type means having to buy from overseas, cost prohibitive most of the > time. However I don't intend to continue drinking the distilled water for > more than another couple of weeks, then will have another blood test to see > if the ferritin has come down any more. Hoping for a good outcome as my > AST/ALT levels are quite a bit above normal. My GP is very interested in the > outcome too, as it could be a different approach for people with only > moderately raised ferritin levels. I will let you know how it goes. > Thankyou. Lorraine. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 Hello Avril, Thankyou for your comments. You are right about the phytates and tannic acid, also there is some relationship between ingestion of calcium and iron, one inhibiting the absorption of the other. I too have done extensive study of hemochromatosis, since finding out I have the genes about 10 or so years ago. It is apparently more common in the population than might be realised, and certainly can be an underlying factor in many diseases and disorders, especially liver and heart, but all body organs can be compromised by iron overload. It is a serious condition, and mainly treated by drawing blood at regular intervals. It was only chance that led me to try the exclusive drinking of distilled water, and I am pleased that at least so far my ferritin levels have dropped for the first time in several years. I don't imagine it would be healthy to consume only distilled water for ever, but as a short term aid it seems useful. I have never cooked with iron cookware, but am well aware of the presence of iron in all sorts of places one might not think of, and am always reading labels etc.. to keep my iron intake to a minimum. Thankyou for your input. All ideas are most helpful. Lorraine. > Hi Lorraine, > > Just a few other thoughts from my research (a long time ago) about > blocking the absorption of iron, rather than " rinsing " it out > afterwards. Phytates in grains that are eaten unyeasted combine with > iron so it's not absorbed. There's something in tea that does the > same...phytates or tannic acid, can't remember which. Also, make sure > you don't ingest vitamin C or foods high in it, at the same time that > you eat high iron foods. Vita C enhances the absorption of iron. > > You may already know this, but don't use any iron cookware. It > leaches into foods that are cooked in it. My serum iron was high at > one time I think because I cooked often in an iron skillet. > > Hope this helps a bit, > Avril > > In , " Lorrainel " > <lorries@...> wrote: >> >> Hello Sharon, Thankyou for your reply. Interesting comment about a > unit that >> turns water into a hexagon shape. I have heard about all kinds of > things >> that change the shape of water molecules, such as singing to the > water >> before drinking it! I have no way of knowing if it works on > changing the >> shape of the water molecules, but I am sure the water tasted > sweeter! (All >> in the mind, maybe)! I live in New Zealand, and purchasing > equipment of any >> unusual type means having to buy from overseas, cost prohibitive > most of the >> time. However I don't intend to continue drinking the distilled > water for >> more than another couple of weeks, then will have another blood > test to see >> if the ferritin has come down any more. Hoping for a good outcome > as my >> AST/ALT levels are quite a bit above normal. My GP is very > interested in the >> outcome too, as it could be a different approach for people with > only >> moderately raised ferritin levels. I will let you know how it goes. >> Thankyou. Lorraine. >> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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