Re: A fine line :-)

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A simple comment from a simple man.

Wherever man exists their is some form of God.

When there is no written language, their seems to be many Gods.

Where written language exists, only one God exists or man himself is the God.

I some cases in some tribes of people who have never developed a written

language, no God exists and the missionaries must bring the gospel to the non

believers.

I find this most interesting.

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I choose the way of happiness and it is very simple for it is the way of

nature.

The American Indian and others did at one time show us the way, but we the

civilized ones couldn't see the way of nature and the way of the American

Indian.

The American Indian was a savage and therefore knew nothing of what was

proper, healthy and important in regard to life.

Yet, the American Government laws of impeachment was taken directly from the

American Indian.

Um, interesting.

I love to read the scriptures, one can learn much of men of the past. Few

could read and write but could be led.

Noah, after the flood propagated and had many offspring's. They banded

together and built the tower of Babel.

Goodness, blew God's mind. Imagine they were of one parent and therefore one

people with one language. God then was heard to say " nothing will be

withholden from them, which they purpose to do. Come, let us go down, and

there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's

speech. "

He then scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth.

Imagine, slowly but surely English is being spoken by more and more people

and maybe one day, the whole of the planet will be speaking one language,

then what will God do for an encore.

Sincerely,

W. Huebner

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I'm confused at the attachment at the bottom. It sure sounds Christian.And

also

I may be unsubbed , but Jesus loved me before I Loved him.( I thought like you

Skye. God loves you.)Then my eyes were opened.I know about the past you

spoke of , it was once my anthem too. I also know that you are afraid.But no

one will burn you at the stake.

I , as a Christian an only responsible for my sins , not some people that

lived hundreds of years ago and committed those horrible murders they are.

I believe that we are in the end times if we live till then .We will at one

time everyone of us, bow and kneel to Jesus.And then be judged only for Our

sins.We have the free will to reject this

truth.That is what man is doing and has

always done , thats why the earth is the way it is. You Skye are not unique.Do

you think the universe wrote the Bible ? And with all your knowledge can you

say the Bible Code was an accident. Only the Lord knows your end.Do you

feel comfortable calling the Lord a liar ?

Joyce

> Thank you Fred! for your hearty well wishes.

>

> But Fred dearest, your further offering sounds as though you wish to

> convince me of something, your beliefs perhaps? :-). Okay then,

> fair's fair, that means i'm allowed to make an unbelievers offering

> too, which of course can only be ascertained by factually discover for

> yourself, not believing.

>

> First one must imagine one it is lacking in abundance in order to

> believe there is a need for gifts. Mankind is in fact (if theories do

> not interfere) a part of an eco system, undivided and interwoven with

> All That Is and therefore perfectly sustained. What you offer to this

> imaginary 'I' is a cerebral THOUGHT, an intellectual theory, an

> unsubstantiated dualistic belief, that *higher* powers give gifts to a

> *lower* power, but i don't buy it. Instead i experience a whole and

> complete universe which is quite capable of looking after itself.

>

> Anyone is free of course to *believe* in the passing parade of

> Philosophers and Preachers, Masters and Sages geniuses and thinkers of

> all description who have failed abysmally to deliver their

> oft-promised 'Peace On Earth' . in fact, instead of their much-vaunted

> love and virtue, they have left in their wake much hatred and

> bloodshed, the likes of which beggars description. We have just passed

> through the most violent century in mankind's history all in the name

> of mans precious concepts of right and wrong. So i prefer to question

> all of the received 'wisdom' of the centuries and all of the

> half-baked inanities that pass for understanding. Only then, is there

> a fair chance of uncovering and discovering what one actually is, and

> what has always been here, (were it not for mans destructive theories)

> which is, Actual Freedom and peace on this verdant Planet.

>

> Ooh Fred, we are treading a fine line here and Bob promised to chuck

> us out if we keep up the religious stuff.

>

> Great to chat to you though.

> Warm regards

> Skye

>

> Skye!!!!! great NEWS!!

> Natural IS the Way to go! Also, even though you may not be a

> Believer, I

> have one thought for you .... all that you have eaten IS a gift from

> the

> higher power :>)

> Man cannot provide anything better.....Fred

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I think Fred was well-meaning, and his INTENT was one of kindness.

It may be, Skye, that you consider yourself better developed intellectually, because your smugness is apparent. For us "lesser" and more "crude" beings who offer our support of your progress, we are a little taken aback by your spitting it back in our faces.

It looks like somebody hit a nerve again with you, Skye.

Normally, I'd just ignore a casual slam on someone's belief systems, because I think that a little provocation can be a good thing from time to time. But it doesn't have to hurt, create a wound or an enemy, or feel like the bird of paradise just flew up your nose.

Sounds like your "warm regards" for Fred are a bit tongue in cheek, there Skye.

Your caustic mood and inferences were not lost on me, that's for sure.

I even appreciate your communication of certain theories, tho I don't share them all, I am made "better" when I read them. However, your dogmatism is the exact dogmatism that you hate. Am I using too strong a word?

Skye, some people just aren't as well developed as you are intellectually, and that makes the world a lonely place sometimes. I tend to believe that there is an awakening occuring, and just as it's unwise to hurry the butterfly in it's development prematurely by pulling away it's cocoon, so it is unwise to hurry the spirit which moves it. Above all, true spirit is love.

Because love is what we are (and what we are becoming),

PS. Skye, if you would like to continue this offlist, it may be kinder to those having to deal with "religous" emails. Flame away. It's safe to unload on me, because I don't need to take this personally.

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>mindbrain@... wrote: A simple comment from a simple man.Wherever man exists

their is some form of God.Then there is no written language, their seems to be

many Gods.Where written language exists,

only one God exists or man himself is the God.I some cases in some tribes of

people who have never developed a writtenlanguage, no God exists and the

missionaries must bring the gospel to the

nonbelievers. I find this most interesting.>

It is written Mark 13 :10 is where Jesus clearly said that this would

happen.That

is interesting that he said this over 2,000 years ago.

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I finally realize how little people really know about God's true

purpose. I am

from an American Native mother and a Middle Eastern Father.I

love to read

the scriptures too, and also to meditate on them.The Tower of

Babel was a

rebellious act.They wanted God's power as satan had.I am amazed

that anyone

would think that God has encores. He doesn't put on shows ,

he is our Father.

I think reading more scripture such as Revelations will give

you an idea of what

is to come. I personally believe that no one can fully comprehend

the events to

come. God does say to meditate on his word constantly.I have

found that the

more I do this the more I understand.I also have learned that

at first the truth

might make people mad , but it will set them free.

The Lord is my everything , without him I am nothing. I cannot

wait to see him

face to face to thank him in person for love so deep that he

would die in my place.

Joyce

I choose the way of happiness and it is very simple

for it is the way of

nature.

The American Indian and others did at one time show us the way, but

we the

civilized ones couldn't see the way of nature and the way of the American

Indian.

The American Indian was a savage and therefore knew nothing of what

was

proper, healthy and important in regard to life.

Yet, the American Government laws of impeachment was taken directly

from the

American Indian.

Um, interesting.

I love to read the scriptures, one can learn much of men of the past.

Few

could read and write but could be led.

Noah, after the flood propagated and had many offspring's. They

banded

together and built the tower of Babel.

Goodness, blew God's mind. Imagine they were of one parent and

therefore one

people with one language. God then was heard to say "nothing

will be

withholden from them, which they purpose to do. Come, let us

go down, and

there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's

speech."

He then scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth.

Imagine, slowly but surely English is being spoken by more and more

people

and maybe one day, the whole of the planet will be speaking one language,

then what will God do for an encore.

Sincerely,

W. Huebner

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wrote:

I think Fred was well-meaning, and his INTENT was one of kindness.

Skye: Yes i thought so too, i'm surprised you didn't see the warm words in my reply.M: It may be, Skye, that you consider yourself better developed intellectually, because your smugness is apparent.

S: Quite the opposite, i consider myself less intellectually developed actually. It is the believers who are the intellectuals. It may well be that you have a totally unnecessary inferiority complex, by reasoning dualistically.

M: For us "lesser" and more "crude" beings who offer our support of your progress, we are a little taken aback by your spitting it back in our faces.

S: That is *your* mirror , and i understand. I too used to have moods when everything reflected my own frustrations and i would mistake an honest and harmless discussions for something malicious. I don't project my moods onto others these days, i prefer to observe their illusions. M: It looks like somebody hit a nerve again with you, Skye.

S: On the contrary, it is purely in your imagination. How could i not feel well and happy from the results of my blood test, and have i not expressed my gratitude for everyone's well wishes? Perhaps i am just *too* chirpy for you today :-).

M: Normally, I'd just ignore a casual slam on someone's belief systems, because I think that a little provocation can be a good thing from time to time. But it doesn't have to hurt, create a wound or an enemy, or feel like the bird of paradise just flew up your nose.

S: Perhaps this is a good example of imagination running wild. I did not consider Freds offer to consider his beliefs about higher powers, a slam on my disbelieving. He merely offered an opportunity to speak as freely as he did, of my own truth. Your seriousness is astounding! But if it helps you get your rocks off then i'm happy to oblige. M: Sounds like your "warm regards" for Fred are a bit tongue in cheek, there Skye.

S: In actuality my warm regards towards *everyone* i meet, are far more genuine than i can ever express in words.

M: Your caustic mood and inferences were not lost on me, that's for sure.

S: More like your caustic mood has not been lost on yourself :-). M: I even appreciate your communication of certain theories, tho I don't share them all, I am made "better" when I read them. However, your dogmatism is the exact dogmatism that you hate. Am I using too strong a word?

S: It is the self righteousness of of mankind's dogmatic theories that are the wonder to behold. I am not communicating more them, rather pulling sheets off them. The facts of existence are dogmatic enough and time the greatest dictator of all, add to that mankind's dogged beliefs and it makes for an unnecessarily burdened mankind indeed.

M: Skye, some people just aren't as well developed as you are intellectually,

S: I don't consider my self intellectually developed at all, but merely a simple observer of facts. In fact i find intellectual wanking and theorising abhorrent.

M:....and that makes the world a lonely place sometimes. I tend to believe that there is an awakening occurring, and just as it's unwise to hurry the butterfly in it's development prematurely by pulling away it's cocoon, so it is unwise to hurry the spirit which moves it. Above all, true spirit is love.

S: I am not a clone, i do not tolerate or suffer the slow crawl of stupidity gladly, as other seem to believe i should. M: Because love is what we are (and what we are becoming),PS. Skye, if you would like to continue this offlist, it may be kinder to those having to deal with "religious" emails.

S: Yes I checked the header, half expecting you, in your *kindness* towards others, to have posted this privately. Needless to say, quote; "Sounds like your kindness for others was a bit tongue in cheek, there"

M: Flame away. It's safe to unload on me, because I don't need to take this personally.

S: I have absolutely no intension of flaming at all. You have chosen to interpret my post aggressively. I merely spoke freely as another did to me. Believers do not handle having their beliefs disagreed with, it matters not to me, i do not kowtow to beliefs and someone's else's dictates about when it is wise to time my speech. I speak spontaneously, with no intention of hurting anyone and every intention of revealing the silly games humans play. Which pill in the Matrix movie would you have preferred, the truth but it hurts pill, or the bullshit but feels good pill?

Best of health to you

Skye

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Hi , did i get your name right, you forgot to sign your post.

You wrote:

A simple comment from a simple man.

Wherever man exists their is some form of God.

When there is no written language, their seems to be many Gods.

Where written language exists, only one God exists or man himself is

the God.

I some cases in some tribes of people who have never developed a

written

language, no God exists and the missionaries must bring the gospel to

the non

believers.

I find this most interesting.

Skye: but dearheart, you forgot about those who are simply

members of humanity. Those who don't separate into tribes and do have

a written language with which they " question everything " , believing no

concept is cast in stone and accepting only the actual reality of All

That Exists.

I find this most interesting too.

Enjoying your post everyone, Thanks for your responses. Can you see

how they clearly they display mans refusal to see life without self

righteous beliefs and anyone who dares to do so is condemned as

Godless primitives. It would be hilarious if those beliefs weren't so

seriously damaging to Nature and our bodies, which can function quite

wisely without them.

Perhaps i should hush up, non-believing seems to hit a sore spot in

many. For me though, it reveals a joyful opening for actual freedom.

Don't worry, be happy,

Skye

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Dear Joyce,

I applaud you and agree with you. My grandfather was full blood Cherokee and

they did worship " The Great White Spirit " where he was at. They also had

other statues of other gods, but they were just acknowledging them as nature

etc. Learning more about my background on that side of the family, made me

realize how good God really is. He was able to get thru to them as He did.

They may not have known His Name as Jesus, but they knew Him. Also, I agree

with you about the scriptures. The more you read and think about them, the

more God will open them up to you. Also, I agree, God does not have encores.

The has already stated what is going to happen, and it will. The more I study

it, the more I realize that everything that has happened in history, is in

there. Also. even automobiles and planes are in there. They don't have that

name. but are described as chariots with lights racing to and fro. Isn't that

neat? Any questions? The answer is there. Even the plagues had cures. Get my

drift? Also, for and the Tower, well the language barrier is already

broken. Many translators today. What is great is watching prophecy unfold

before your eyes. Keep reading and studying. God will show you more, even the

events to come in Revelation. Done many studies and gone thru schools on it,

and it's great. The Revelation is of Jesus and who He is. The events are

getting pretty clear also. You'll love it, the more you study. Anyway, have a

great one, God bless. Dr. Penny

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Dr. Penny ,

As an NA American my grandmother always said that only Indian

blooded people

have a certain birthmark, and she believes this. There are more

things on Heaven

and Earth that we could dream of.? My mom moved far away from

family when she married. I think they all believe the birthmark and what

I will say next.

Have you ever heard of a power, that comes over a person, and they

are paralized and see things whaile they are in this state ?

My Grandfather told me about this and when I was 28 it

started happening to me. My Great-Uncle died several days ago and before

anyone called to tell me the death electricity came over me - That's my

name for it. I grabbed an electric

fence once & it feels the same, there are other definate signs.

It must happen in Ireland too, because Joyce wrote

describing it very well.

Anyhow , what a mistake telling others !!! They said it's posession.

I've sumitted to hands layed on and prayer, but it still comes back.I read

that Jesus appeared to the Native Americans and that they called him by

name. They know. At least some do. Thank you for yourletter.

I liked what I heard one Indian said at the Promise Keppers

" I'm Indian by race , and saved by Grace."

Joyce

Dear Joyce,

I applaud you and agree with you. My grandfather was full blood Cherokee

and

they did worship "The Great White Spirit" where he was at. They also

had

other statues of other gods, but they were just acknowledging them

as nature

etc. Learning more about my background on that side of the family,

made me

realize how good God really is. He was able to get thru to them as

He did.

They may not have known His Name as Jesus, but they knew Him. Also,

I agree

with you about the scriptures. The more you read and think about them,

the

more God will open them up to you. Also, I agree, God does not have

encores.

The has already stated what is going to happen, and it will. The more

I study

it, the more I realize that everything that has happened in history,

is in

there. Also. even automobiles and planes are in there. They don't have

that

name. but are described as chariots with lights racing to and fro.

Isn't that

neat? Any questions? The answer is there. Even the plagues had cures.

Get my

drift? Also, for and the Tower, well the language barrier is

already

broken. Many translators today. What is great is watching prophecy

unfold

before your eyes. Keep reading and studying. God will show you more,

even the

events to come in Revelation. Done many studies and gone thru schools

on it,

and it's great. The Revelation is of Jesus and who He is. The events

are

getting pretty clear also. You'll love it, the more you study. Anyway,

have a

great one, God bless. Dr. Penny

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